From ward.shrake@w... Sat Jan 05 13:45:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 5 Jan 2002 21:44:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 57673 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 21:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2002 21:44:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 21:45:00 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.111] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2002 21:44:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:44:59 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Need Lance Squire's new e-mail address Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.68.154 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Lance, if you're reading this, you know that e-mail to you at lance@a... is bouncing back. Your latest e-mail to me did get through. However, you did not send the updated e-mail address you meant to send me; the "address above" was just a re-listing of the one that is not working. Please resend your real e-mail address to me, and I'll send the information you asked me for. Thanks. Ward Shrake From komb@s... Sun Jan 06 08:20:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Jan 2002 16:20:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3977 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 16:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2002 16:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 16:20:48 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.249.217]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020106162048.SARO16860.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3C387966.8070602@s...> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:20:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011014 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Need Lance Squire's new e-mail address References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > Lance, if you're reading this, you know that e-mail to you at > lance@a... is bouncing back. Your latest e-mail to me did get > through. However, you did not send the updated e-mail address you > meant to send me; the "address above" was just a re-listing of the > one that is not working. Please resend your real e-mail address to > me, and I'll send the information you asked me for. Thanks. Just so everyone knows, Alteeve.com is going through a re-location. (Unplanned) Until this is resolved that email address & the current html faq are un reachable. :( I do have an old backup of the html faq on www.investbuysell.com/~lance/Ballyfaq.html, but don't want anybody to set there links there yet... The Email address above should read, komb@s... I apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused. Just bad luck, I'm afraid. Lance F. Squire From ballyalley@h... Tue Jan 08 19:19:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 03:19:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 21013 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 03:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 03:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.200) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 03:19:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:19:28 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 03:19:28 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New post of a zipped pdf file describing how the BPA hardware works Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:19:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2002 03:19:28.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[72A3DE20:01C198BC] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Tony REALLY understates his BPA.pdf posting. He calls it simply, "a description of how the BPA video hardware works (for both consumer and commercial versions). This is an attempt to put to rest the rumor that a BPA can, with some simple modifications, output commercial resolution video." What Tony does NOT say is the detail and level of expertise that has gone into this 25-page document. This is not just a text file with some graphics thrown in for good measure; this is a mini-manual-- a suppliment to the Nutting Manual. Don't let this download pass through your fingers without a look. Take a look and (if you don't understand it) absorb the atmosphere and the effort of a job well done. James Krych, I hope you have looked at Tony's work! What are your thoughts? Anybody's? Tony, you ought to get a medal. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Wed Jan 09 15:20:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 23:20:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 96353 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 23:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 23:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 23:20:56 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.139]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020109232056.ULCC16860.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:20:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3CD05D.9010801@s...> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:21:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011014 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New post of a zipped pdf file describing how the BPA hardware works References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Tony REALLY understates his BPA.pdf posting. >What are your thoughts? > Anybody's? > > Tony, you ought to get a medal. > > Adam > I must say that this is an invaluable piece of work. Truly those involved in the design of these chips were ahead of there time! I thank you, Lance F. Squire From ballyalley@h... Fri Jan 11 13:36:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 11 Jan 2002 21:35:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 22172 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 21:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2002 21:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.33) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 21:35:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:35:59 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:35:59 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: When is a cassette not a cassette? When it's used as RAM! Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:35:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 21:35:59.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5C7CF00:01C19AE7] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Jan 11, 2002 When is a cassette not a cassette? When it's used as RAM! The Astrocade (1977) computer and any computer from today (2002) are similar in name only. Computers still work using the same idea (ones and zeroes) and do the same thing (freeze-up, breakdown, lose our data, make us curse), but a store-bought computer today really means (at least) a complete set-up of items to make us curse: computer, monitor, printer, memory, hard drive, CD-ROM drive, floppy drive, keyboard, and mouse. The Astrocade, with BASIC, is about as rudimentary a home computer as you can have; the memory storage device (cassette) is serial- the user uses a common (for the time) household audio-cassette recorder. What those users would not have given for a fast Random Access floppy drive- like our modern, much beloved, floppy drive. I'm not knocking this early computer arrangement; it works. Even then users were always looking for something more, something better, something to make the system have bragging rights. Who wanted to go around saying, "I have a 4K Astrocade," when one could brag with something like, "I have an expanded Astrocade, I made a 1K RAM expander myself. Imagine what I can do now, the possibilities are endless!" Nowadays memory and storage have somewhat lost bragging rights (everyone's got lots of it). The following article, Poor Man's Memory Expansion, from a 1980 issue of the Cursor newsletter has always been a favorite of mine. I've retyped it so that it can be shared- and make us all feel bad; it will make you think twice again about complaining about your current computer set. Adam Poor Man's Memory Expansion By C.J. Anderson Flash Foonman, our resident maniac and sometime inventor, came running into the office yesterday looking more wild than usual. "What would you say," he smirked, "if I told you I had just downloaded that 16K BASIC CHESS program into Bally BASIC and it's up and running on the Arcade right now?" "I'd say you've started drinking early today," I replied, but he had already grabbed my arm and hauled me out of my chair. Out on the bench sat the Bally. On the screen was a chessboard. White had just opened with P - K4. Nothing was happening, but I noticed that the cassette recorder was running and the red light on the interface was on. Suddenly the screen went blank and a program listing began to appear. "It's working on its opening move," said Flash. "We should have its response in a couple of hours." "A couple of hours?!" I moaned. "Hey, that's good for a chess program, "said Flash. "Atari's VIDEO CHESS, level 7, takes an average of eight to ten hours per move. Anyway, since we've got plenty of time, let me explain what's happening here." I assured him I was all ears. "I really do have a 16,000 byte program running here," he began, but I stopped him. "Where's your expanded RAM?" I asked. "Where is your memory add-on?" "Right here," he said, patting the cassette recorder. "And it's not RAM, it's mass memory just like a floppy disk or a stringy floppy. Only it's very slow. I call it a STRINGY CREEPY." "You mean you've got a 16,000 byte program on that cassette and the Bally is processing it 1800 bytes at a time?" I gasped. "That's really neat, Flash, but how many times do you have to sit here and rewind the tape looking for the subroutines you need as the program calls for them? You've just made yourself a part of the machine, and I don't call that true computing." "Not so, mon ami," he replied. "I never touch the machine. It calls for its own subroutines and loads them automatically whenever it needs them thanks to the newly discovered SELECTIVE LOAD function that Fred Cornett wrote about in Vol. II, issue 2 of Cursor. Each subroutine on the tape is prefaced by an identifier number, you know: 257, 258, etc. Each subroutine uses the same line numbers so when a new subroutine is called for it automatically erases the previous one from our constant 1800 byte RAM. When the new subroutine is fully loaded, a :RETURN; GOTO 1000 command on the tape starts the computer running again and it branches down into the new material. Then it decides which subroutine it wants to see next, sets the A variable to that number, and branches to a :INPUT A;STOP command in RAM. That sends it back to the tape to find the subroutine that corresponds to the value of A. Simple, huh?" "Hold it!" I said. "That's really brilliant, all right, but what happens when the cassette comes to the end? How do you rewind it to start over?" "I don't have to," said Flash, grinning, "because this is a very special cassette. It has no end and no beginning. It's the Automatic Repeating Cassette, catalog number 60,920 from Edmund Scientific Co., 101 E. Gloucester Pike, Barrington, New Jersey 08007. It sells for a measly $12.95 plus $1.75 shipping and handling, and it boasts 20 minutes of recording time. That's enough to store 20,000 bytes of data or program [when using 300 baud Bally BASIC]. I tested the process with a Radio Shack 43-401 which has only 20 SECONDS of recording time and costs $5.95, but this A.R.C. from Edmund is the cat's pajamas!" "Now let me get this straight," I said. "This endless cassette just sits here going around and around forever, and the computer keeps jumping to it, waiting for its desired data to come around then loading that data and therefore modifying its own program constantly?" "Yup," said the madman. "No limit to the size of the program you can run as long as time is not an important factor. On a long program like this 16K job you may have to wait up to 20 minutes between each subroutine, which is okay, for a sophisticated chess game or for mailing list or word-processing applications. For shorter programs, but still larger than 1800 bytes, I just the load the subroutines in sequence several times on the cassette loop. That speeds up the search. If I can get them on twice, we can search in ten minutes. If I can get them on there three times, it's a little less than 7 minutes." Just then the chessboard reappeared on the screen and the computer made its move: P - K4. "I expected that," mumbled Flash, and reached for his copy of BOBBY FISCHER TEACHES CHESS. I left him mumbling something about the Sililian Defense, but not before I had picked up his notes off the bench. Here's a simple little program that Flash designed to demonstrate his "stringy creepy" concept to any skeptical users. STRINGY CREEPY CASSETTE OPERATING SYSTEM (COS) By Flash Foonman Use an ordinary blank cassette, or one of the two described. The program will demonstrate how the computer can continually modify its internal program by acting on its own decisions. If you use an endless cassette, it will do so with no human assistance. Otherwise you must rewind the tape after each response. Type the following line: 100 PRINT "FOUND 257";RETURN Now, transfer it to the tape with the following commands input without a line number (before hitting "GO" make sure your tape recorder is recording): NT=1;:PRINT ;TV=1;TV=1;LIST;PRINT ":RETURN;GOTO 10 Stop the recorder. Do not rewind. Now type: 100 PRINT "FOUND 258";RETURN Transfer it to tape with the previous command, changing the identifier to "...TV=1;TV=2..." etc. Repeat this process twice more, using "...FOUND 259..." "...TV=1;TV=3..." and "...FOUND 260..." "...TV=1;TV=4...". Rewind the cassette, RESET the Bally and enter this simple program: 5 CLEAR 10 GOSUB 100:A=RND (4)+256;PRINT "A=",#0,A 20 :INPUT A;STOP 100 PRINT "START CASSETTE";RETURN Okay, RUN the program. Start the cassette. The screen displays the value it has selected for A, the input port opens, the program stops, and the computer loads subroutine A when it finds it. It then restarts itself and announces that it has found subroutine A. HALT the program at this point, and LIST it on the screen. Notice what happened to line 100; out with the old, in with the new. If you're using a repeating cassette you can sit back and watch the computer reprogram itself all day long. The actual resident program is only 44 bytes long, but its effective length is 112 bytes. It's slow, but it's real honest-to-gosh expanded memory. As for Flash, I just heard him shout: "Hey! If a guy has TWO cassettes running simultaneously, one playing and one recording, the computer could be pulling data off the first one, modifying it, and rewriting it on the second one!" I'm going out for a drink! [Note: Use of the selective load characteristic of the original Bally BASIC is not supported in Astro BASIC, so, as written, this article would not work for Astro BASIC.] -- From Astrocade newsletter Cursor, Vol. II, Page 67 (October 1980) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From jwkrych@n... Fri Jan 11 19:42:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 12 Jan 2002 03:42:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 18287 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 03:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2002 03:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 03:42:49 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.37] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2002 03:33:59 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:42:47 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Some thoughts Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 24.50.231.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Hi All! Been busy! Got a Devastator customer to take care of! BTW: The February issue of Maximum PC has a Devastator review in it! PC Gamer should be next, not certain which month. Okay! Excellent job Tony on your information on the chips! Obviously, more than extra memory is needed. I would have loved to have seen a picture of the insides of the Perkin machine that allowed high-res (commercial mode)! They had very good technical knowledge to do it, but the logistics of it were very prohibitive! Certainly it CAN be done, but like the A/V mods for the 2600 and 7800, it's not for the faint of heart. The only way is to have a mobo replacement, or what I described earlier about and FPGA card for the PC. I think that a down and dirty 32K SRAM mini-board that fits on the back and draws some voltage from the light pen port should do fine-a 74HCT138 and a low-power 32K SRAM. This would be decoded to start at 6000 hex, and work up there. That basically covers any compatibility issues. And, the boards could be made very inexpensively. Tony, I was with Mike White when we played with the memory expansion that was able to disable the onboard RAM chips, and allowed decoding of memory to start at 4000 hex. We did get a picture, but something was really wrong in River City, as all collision detection and such was gone. And, some carts wouldn't even work. This would make for a great April Fols joke: Get a composite video signal from a PC running MAME and W.O.W., have that go into the BPA, and come back out through that nasty RF modulator. Have an expansion memory system behind the BPA, and a dummy cart labled like it was a long-lost prototype that Ward got that Mike White never heard of that Adam was able to get from Jamie who had no clue as to who wrote it! And simply have a picture of the whole setup and entitle it "It Was Possible!!!" However, on a more serious note, there was serious talk about having a TMS9918A VDP with 16K, for screen RAM, running on the BPA through the back and being fed back in. And, that ZGRASS prototype that was shown around was actually a UV-1 made to operate in just consumer mode. So, what we would be doing is similar, with just more modern equipment. So, there is a "way" to have high-res on a stock BPA. As one Jedi said to another, depending on a certain point of view!!! Jim From ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Mon Jan 14 16:04:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4112 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 00:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 00:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.81) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 00:04:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 00:04:23 -0000 Date: 15 Jan 2002 00:04:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1011053062.4352.88807.w111@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ballyalley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley group. File : /astrocade_reviews.txt Uploaded by : atrionfo Description : Astrocade Review Compilation "The Game Player" ver. 10 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/astrocade_reviews.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, atrionfo From ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Mon Jan 14 16:06:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81539 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 00:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 00:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 00:05:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.96.135] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 00:05:59 -0000 Date: 15 Jan 2002 00:05:54 -0000 Message-ID: <1011053154.3623.75370.w49@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ballyalley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley group. File : /andy_guevara.rtf Uploaded by : atrionfo Description : Astrocade ML Programming Tutorial (RTF) You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/andy_guevara.rtf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, atrionfo From ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Mon Jan 14 16:07:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77846 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 00:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 00:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 00:07:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.96.133] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 00:07:01 -0000 Date: 15 Jan 2002 00:06:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1011053217.2162.21669.w47@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ballyalley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley group. File : /andy_guevara.txt Uploaded by : atrionfo Description : Astrocade ML Programming Tutorial (txt) You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/andy_guevara.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, atrionfo From jwkrych@n... Mon Jan 14 17:45:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 01:45:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 53825 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 01:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 01:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.78) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 01:45:33 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 01:45:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:45:27 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Okay Tony, now what??? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 303 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 24.50.231.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Okay Tony! How do we get the medium res mode, 160 x 204????? This mode can be found in the Perkin hack, Arcadian volume 3 pages 62-63, description, and page 94 for the ad. How do we do this and does it need the shifter? BTW: kit cost $250 and it was $350 assembled by Mr. Perkins. Regards, Jim From fmillera@p... Mon Jan 14 19:10:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 03:10:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25203 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.55) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.142] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:09:59 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Okay Tony, now what??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 459 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tonymillerus" X-Originating-IP: 63.199.241.246 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --- In ballyalley@y..., "centurion030" wrote: > Okay Tony! > > How do we get the medium res mode, 160 x 204????? This mode can be > found in the Perkin hack, Arcadian volume 3 pages 62-63, description, > and page 94 for the ad. How do we do this and does it need the > shifter? BTW: kit cost $250 and it was $350 assembled by Mr. Perkins. > > Regards, > > Jim Okay Jim, point to where I can find this and I'll look at it. Tony Miller From zeke1312@a... Tue Jan 15 07:27:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: zeke1312@a... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 15 Jan 2002 15:27:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 55909 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 15:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2002 15:27:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 15:27:51 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.24] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2002 15:27:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:27:49 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Heat Problems Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 881 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "zeke1312" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.204.73 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82530073 X-Yahoo-Profile: zeke1312 I just joined this group so what I have to say may be old news. In 1977, I ordered a Bally Home Library Computer. After several months I received a unit which failed after a couple hours of use. When I received the 2nd unit a couple of months later, I took the case off and found a clam shell type RF shield which I removed from the unit. I turned on the unit and found the 3 hottest ICs and super glued a small heat sink to each. No problems after that. I later added the Bally Basic and tape interface. In the early eighties I slod the BHLC and bought a Commodore 64. I still have some Bally literature and Commodore cartridges. I thought I'd pass on the heat problem/resolution which I ran across in 1978. Incidently, I think one of the problems regarding the delayed release of the initial BHLC was meeting FCC requirements and subsequent heat problems(?) From ballyalley@h... Fri Jan 18 18:13:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 19 Jan 2002 02:13:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 31582 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 02:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2002 02:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 02:13:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:13:25 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:13:25 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Bally ROM source available (part 1), ver. 1.0) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:13:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2002 02:13:25.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[E083AA90:01C1A08E] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Assembling the Bally ROM Source Code Lance Squire and I have been working on the Bally source/header/assembler-choice project and there is finally something to show for it. The ROM source is far from finished, but it is a start, and I've uploaded it. It contains the complete header file and is enough to give anyone a good taste of what it takes to program the Astrocade. When it is finished, in conjuction with the 'Nutting manual,' this is the information that was used for cartridge creation. Currently the assembly listing file is full of 'Undeclared' errors. When all of the source is typed-in, these will vanish (references are made to labels that don't exist yet). I'm leaving the few others types of errors until all the source is re-typed (help needed). To compile the ROM you need the preferred Z-80 assembler (Zmac) and the assembly source file (BallyROM.asm). Both of these files can be found in the discussion group area and are called: * BallyROM.zip (includes ballyequ.asm) * zmac_dos.zip (includes zmac.exe for DOS) The ROM file contains the equates and macros that the Bally ROM requires for assembly (the header file is available separately too). This file has been written to assemble with ZMAC 1.3 (a little known, freely distributable Z-80 assembler (with C source), that has a 25-year history. ZMAC can be compiled under just about any O.S. in existence, so try it out. The ROM source listed in the 'Nutting Manual' will not assemble directly under Zmac (or any other assembler that Lance Square and I could find). Only minimal changes need to be made to the source as listed, but it is important to note that this source file is not exactly the same; if you notice differences, leave them alone for now and don't send me email that lets me know about these small differences. To assemble your Z-80 source code using ZMAC: zmac -d -o -x For example, assemble this Astrocade Z-80 ROM file: zmac -d -o BallyROM.bin -x BallyROM.lst BallyROM.asm The resulting assembly listing (BallyROM.lst) will have errors and can not, at this time, be expected to be used as the ROM. The best way to view the listing in your word processor/editor is with top and bottom margins set to 6 and left/right margins set to 8. -- Adam Trionfo, January 18, 2002 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ward.shrake@w... Sat Jan 19 18:47:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Jan 2002 02:47:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 57275 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 02:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2002 02:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.76) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 02:47:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.81] by n26.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2002 02:36:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:47:04 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Various announcements and comments Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.156 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan A few Bally-related announcements... (1) I've been talking to Frank Palazzolo, off and on for years now. (He is the Astrocade's emulator author, in the MESS software emulator.) In my last communication with him, he asked me to pass this on... "If anyone else you know has time to test these, I'd encourage them to use the bugzilla link on the www.mess.org homepage to log any problems. Myself or someone else will get around to fixing these eventually." This was in reference to all of the new ROM images that were archived semi-recently (in the last few months), and the MESS software emulator. If anyone uses both the MESS emu and a real system enough to have bug reports, now you know where to send them, to help improve the state of the Bally's emulation efforts. (Doing so is very important, to be able to develop code using emus.) (2) I also mentioned to Frank Palazzolo that it would be nice to have a new feature built into the MESS emulator for the Bally, that would allow you to load a hybrid tape/cart image, then AstroBASIC or Blue RAM BASIC right after it. He thought that was a good idea. There was no reason for this, before, but thanks to guys like Mike White who can and have converted BASIC games on tape to carts, there is now. (3) I used to have all of the ROM images for the Bally machine up on the Internet, in a semi-private place. I'm sorry, but I had to take them all down. This was due to an abundance of caution on my part, in response to an e-mail from my web site hosts ("ClassicGaming.com") that asked all of their hosted sites to get rid of anything that might be considered questionable, or risk various nasty things up to and including being kicked off of their servers. I didn't like having to take the ROMs down, but felt I had no real choice in the matter. I had done all I could, before, to keep things quietly available to the true hardcore fans of the Bally system, but the e-mail they sent out to all hosted sites specifically broke things down in such lawyerly detail that even storage of anything questionable is now forbidden. (They've been slowly tending in this general direction for many months. They just now made a firm and final decision on the matter.) (4) On the subject of ROM images... people may wonder why there are not more ROM images up on ClassicGaming.com's "Game Vault" section. That also was a choice primarily made by others, and not by me. With the Emerson Arcadia 2001 system, I had submitted everything that I had archived, as I archived it. The choice not to post anything new -- going back for many months -- was solely their decision, and not mine. I respect that, and am not moaning about it; I just want to be clear on whose decision it was, lest anyone think I am withholding stuff. With the Bally stuff, Adam Trionfo is hoping to have most of the ROM images "legal-ized" over time, so he has asked me not to go nuts releasing stuff publicly. Again, I respect that decision, and wish Adam more success in getting that admirable goal accomplished. (5) If Larry Anderson is reading this, please e-mail me (Ward) with your newest e-mail address. The one I have now just bounces stuff. Ward Shrake Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm From ward.shrake@w... Sun Jan 20 18:51:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 21 Jan 2002 02:51:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 47764 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 02:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2002 02:51:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 02:51:05 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.50] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2002 02:51:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:51:04 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Comments on controllers Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1223 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.219 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Silly question... in all of the "let's make new hardware and software" type discussions, has anyone mentioned the idea of perhaps hooking a light gun up to the system? Perhaps I'm over-simplifying things -- apologies in advance, if I am -- but there is a light pen port already installed in the Bally system. Has anyone considered wiring up either a Nintendo NES gun, or a Sega Master System gun to the Bally? (Sounds like one more wild scheme to throw into the mix?) Also, for what it is worth, I broke open a few of the paddle controllers for the Atari 2600 machine, and measured the resistance of the potentiometer inside. It claims to be a "one meg ohm" resistor on the casing, but if it is, the tolerances are pretty high -- 20% plus. I measured as high as 970k ohms, and as low as 772k ohms, on the ones I checked. (From end to end, ignoring the moving wiper.) What that means to me is that trying to adapt the paddle function, from one system to the other, is going to be very impractical if not downright impossible. (The Bally wants a max of 50,000 ohms of resistance, and the Atari expects 1,000,000 ohms of resistance.) Ward Shrake Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm From ballyalley@h... Mon Jan 21 17:38:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Jan 2002 01:38:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8281 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 01:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2002 01:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.128) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 01:38:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:38:38 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:38:38 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Finished - Astrocade Game Reviews Compilation Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:38:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 01:38:38.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[84016920:01C1A2E5] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo January 21, 2002 The "Astrocade Game Reviews Compilation," featuring all twenty-one "Game Player" columns from the Arcadian newsletter, is finished. The file "astrocade_reviews.zip" can be downloaded in the Astrocade Discussion Group download area. These columns cover 1983 and 1984, the period that produced some of the most difficult to find software for the Astrocade. Here, to whet your appetite, is the last column of the "Game Player" by Michael Prosise. This piece will give you a taste of some of the others columns, and it really sets the tone for the year it was written: 1984. Michael's last column is a game player's voice from the videogame crash written during it's 1984 downfall, when no one knew exactly what was going on or if games would even be played anymore. Adam Trionfo >From "The Game Player," #21 (Arcadian Vol. 6, pg. 117, October 31, 1984): As the 1983-84 volume of the Arcadian comes to a close and as it is about to enter its seventh year of publication, it is an appropriate time to glance back at the past year's game reviews, some significant events in gaming, and examine what appears to be an alarming and ominous trend in the videogame industry, including and most importantly those software manufacturers who create and sell games for the Astrocade system. It was just over a year ago that the software market had an historic first, when Esoterica Ltd. released TREASURE COVE, the first privately produced cartridge game for the Astrocade system. At a time when Astrocade had not released a new cartridge in over a year, the news of this action by Esoterica was the most exciting and significant event since the "new" ASTROCADE BASIC cartridge hit the scene. The release of TREASURE COVE represented an important change for Astrocade owners. They hopefully would no longer have to depend on Astrocade as a sole source of cartridge games, a most significant factor since the Astrocade company was having serious difficulty surviving. (See "Video Game Death..." Vol.5, No. 1, Pg. 3). Even today the future of Astrocade remains uncertain, and in the light of the current state of the home videogame computer industry, do not be surprised if you never see another cartridge from the Astrocade people again. Esoterica later went on to release a cartridge titled BLASTDROIDS, which, along with TREASURE COVE, were never submitted for review. The Esoterica people have recently announced that both of these cartridges will no longer be available, a sign of an unfortunate trend that may be spreading to their companies. Soon after the Esoterica cartridges, L&M Software released its first cartridge, MS. CANDYMAN, (Vol. 6, No. 1) an instant success for L&M and still one of the finest cartridge games to ever be made for the Astrocade system. It featured very high resolution and extremely colorful graphics, along with an outstanding musical score. Eventually, the year 1984 would see three more software manufacturers enter the cartridge game scene, with all but one being established companies who all had been producing games on tape cassettes. New Image gave us a cartridge called SNEAKY SNAKE, (Vol. 6. No. 10) a colorful underwater action game similar in concept to Astrocade's COSMIC RAIDERS, produced by Bit Fiddlers and distributed by L&M Software. Finally, and most recently, a cartridge titled MAZEMAN was put on sale by a new-comer to the marketing scene, Dave Carson, a longtime subscriber and contributor to the Arcadian. Although GAME PLAYER has received numerous letters requesting recommendations on MAZEMAN, we have not had a cartridge made available for review. As with any product that is purchased "sight unseen," we can only suggest the old adage "buyer beware." The total number of privately produced cartridge games currently available stands at seven, including the MUNCHER cartridge, which probably is the most popular game played on the Astrocade system. There is a very interesting history and story behind how this cartridge came to be, but I am afraid we are not yet at liberty to comment. (Rumor has it that the MUNCHER cartridge, was discovered at an abandoned science outpost on Omicron Ceti II by a landing party from the USS Starship Enterprise. Later, during a research mission via a space-time warp to study 1984 Earth cultures, the cartridge was accidentally beamed down and subsequently lost somewhere in San Jose, California.) The past year also saw the emergence of two new software manufacturers, specializing in taped cassettes. A company in Canada calling itself Astrogames released a four-game tape cassette simply called Tape A-1 (Vol. 6 No.1). It was and is a nice collection of games, especially at a price of only nine dollars. Later, Astrogames would release Tape A-2, (Vol. 6 No. 5) containing the games NIGHT BOMBERS and ADVENTURE, the latter of which is particularly interesting, being similar in concept to the popular Atari game PITFALL. In May, Fred Rodney Educational Software entered the market, releasing a tape cassette titled MORSE CODE TRAINER (Vol. 6 No. 4), an excellent tutorial of the "Code." His next release was ASTRO ANALYST and MEMOMAX (Vol. 6 No. 8, both), two cute brain teasers. This past year has been an optimistic one for game players everywhere in terms of new cartridges and new manufacturers. But this writer fears dark clouds may be in the distance for all who enjoy playing games on the Astrocade system. As one who reviews new games, I am always striving to stay well informed of what's happening in the area of soon-to-be-released products and games for the Astrocade. In doing so, I have noticed a trend that has me concerned. The number of games, both cartridge and tape, that have been released in the last six months, was zero. Prior to that, Fred Rodney released four tape programs, Dave Carson put out a cartridge, his first, and Astrogames produced a couple of tapes. Early in the year we saw SEA DEVIL and SNEAKY SNAKE. Granted, the summer is generally slower. But there are some facts that cannot be ignored. Remember Wavemakers, the company that produces one of the best line of tape games? No new games for over a year. Wavemakers had been producing one new game about every two to three months. And then there's the other "biggie," L&M Software. Nothing from them either for a year, not since the MS. CANDYMAN cartridge (although they did distribute Bit Fiddler's SEA DEVIL cartridge). They, too, had been averaging about four to five new releases per year. Most recently was the announcement that Esoterica Ltd. would no longer be making the BLASTDROIDS and TREASURE COVE cartridges. Why? And whatever happened to Tiny Arcade, Edge Software and the George Moses Co.? All, at one time, were major producers of Astrocade games, and all of whom have not been heard from in well over two years. I cannot give you a good or satisfactory answer. I can, however, point out that profits from videogame Arcades across the nation are down 50 percent and that a number of videogame trade magazines have folded. In my area, Washington, D.C., I can name more Arcades that have recently closed than I can those that are still in business. The key question then, is, are videogames a fad that is now passing? Industry-wide, the answer seems to be, Yes. How will this affect the Arcadian and the companies that have been making games for the Astrocade? Has the Astrocade system taken its last breath? -- Game Player [Michael Prosise] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Mon Jan 21 17:45:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 22 Jan 2002 01:45:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 57214 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 01:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2002 01:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.123) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 01:45:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:45:10 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:45:10 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Game Player Reviews - Alphabetical List Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:45:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 01:45:10.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DA32230:01C1A2E6] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Alphabetical List of all reviewed games in the "Game Player" columns: Title Format Company Column ----- ------ ------- ------ Adventure Tape Astrogames GP#17 Astro Analyst Tape Educational Software Systems GP#19 Astro Terror Tape The Tiny Arcade GP#2 Candy Man Tape L&M Software GP#4 Castle of Horror Tape Wavemakers GP#1 Caterpillar Tape H.A.R.D. Software GP#4 Collision Course Tape Wavemakers GP#9 Cosmic Raiders Cartridge Astrocade GP#15 Defense Professional Tape Astrogames GP#13 Dungeons of Dracula Tape Wavemakers GP#3 Exitor's Revenge Tape L&M Software GP#3 Flying Ace Tape Wavemakers GP#14 Galactic Hitchhiker Tape H.A.R.D. Software GP#4 Gamma Wars Tape Tiny Arcade GP#8 L.T. Tape Wavemakers GP#7 Lost in Space Tape Edge Software GP#5 Memomax Tape Educational Software Systems GP#19 Metro Attack Tape Astrogames GP#13 Micro Pac Tape H.A.R.D. Software GP#4 Morse Code Trainer Tape Educational Softwear Designs GP#18 Ms. Candyman Cartridge L&M Software GP#13 Music Tape George Moses Co. GP#6 Nam-Cap Tape New Image GP#5 Nautilus Tape L&M Software GP#8 Night Bombers Tape Astrogames GP#17 Omega Valley Tape The Tiny Arcade GP#2 Paper Chase, The Tape H.A.R.D. Software GP#4 Peter Piper Tape Astrogames GP#13 Road Toad Tape Esoterica, Ltd. GP#7 Sea Devil Cartridge Bit Fiddlers GP#20 Secret of Pellucitar Tape L&M Software GP#6 Sneaky Snake Cartridge New Image GP#16 Solar Conqueror Cartridge Astrocade GP#12 Super Pac Tape Astrogames GP#13 Super Slope Tape Esoterica, Inc. GP#9 The Gate Escape Tape Wavemakers GP#11 Tic Tac Tollah Tape H.A.R.D. Software GP#4 Vindicator Tape The Tiny Arcade GP#11 Wah's Revenge Tape Astrogames GP#13 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ward.shrake@w... Wed Jan 23 11:32:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Jan 2002 19:32:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 91257 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 19:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2002 19:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.71) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 19:32:51 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.129] by n21.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2002 19:19:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:31:07 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: If you want a multicart, please say so now Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5137 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan If anyone out there is interested in ordering one of the Multicarts I am currently making for the Bally Astrocade system, now is a great time to do so. I just finished the fourth small batch of hand-made carts, and am about to start a fifth batch. I'm taking orders now. (These are made-to-order, not mass produced and then sold later.) For those tracking privately-produced items... my one-man assembly line has produced twenty-two (22) Bally-compatible multicarts, and sixteen (16) Emerson Arcadia 2001 compatible multicarts so far. You can read message #512 to see some typical customer feedback. To date, everyone that has commented to me privately was very happy. I have not heard any complaints from people that purchased a multicart. That's the good news. Here's the not-so-good news.... I hate to say it, but new orders already seem to be dwindling. I read message #538 with its gloomy, frightened outlook on 1984's possible future, and I had to admit to myself that I knew that bad feeling. I too am wondering how much longer things will last, before drying up? I don't like pressuring anyone to buy things, but I am sort of forced to at this point. I'd like to keep making these, as long as I can, but a simple economic "reality check" seems necessary to point out... the more money I'm making from sales of any item, the more time and effort I can justify to continue to make more of them. And vice- versa... if nearly no one wants to pay me to make more of them, then I have to first slow my pace down, and then find something else to do. The Emerson multicart was never as popular as the Bally cart was; I expected that, as did everyone else. That just reflects more interest in the Bally system, among retrogamers and collectors, and is not at all surprising. But to find myself struggling to find new customers for a totally hand-made, individually numbered item for the Bally system, after fewer than 25 sales? Wow. I hoped I would be up to about double that, before the pace of new orders began dropping off? I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if something like a nice 512k multicart with pretty much every one of the old cartridge game programs for this system (and quite a few of the better tape games) isn't even a lukewarm sales item, then the chance of seeing much more new stuff produced by others for this system isn't exactly stellar? (I don't want to discourage any new efforts; I hope interest remains. I just want any other homebrewers aware of the financial realities.) As I said in my Multicart FAQ, I will keep making these items as long as I can justify the time and effort and cost associated with them. I do want to see them in the hands of many people who will enjoy having them, and playing the cool games that were made for this old system. It was easy to justify, the last couple of months; all of the people that badly wanted one, had their orders filled then. Now I'm dealing with people that claim they are interested, but have no money to pay me, about 50% of the time. Once that kind of thing is all the demand that exists, then I will definitely be spending my free time on other things; the reality of my monthly bills will give me no other choice. Some people have asked me "what new projects will you be doing next" and to that, I really have no immediate answer. I'm not at all sorry that I did this project. I'm not moaning about it, at all! It helped to pay my rent and bills for a couple of months, and for a struggling actor, that's a very big motivation to keep going with any project. But I now have a better idea of how many sales I can get for a given item, and how much time and money I'll have to invest up front to get it. I have already politely turned down requests from fans of the RCA Studio II and Fairchild Channel F systems, to make them a multicart. I can't justify the effort it would take, or the money, to do either. I am not interested in those systems, and I doubt many others are. I will leave it to others, to supply the market for those two items. I have often given thought to a VIC-20 multicart, and have a limited one mostly prototyped... but it may never go into "production". It may end up just being an item that I play with, in my own collection. It might even be more popular than the Bally, but issues of cost and technical complexity (it would take four times the memory capacity) may kill that possible project off, more or less before it begins. I had a few more ideas for other possible game-related projects, but it is just as likely that I'll end up simply taking a part-time job to come up with the money that I need to supplement my acting income. Sorry for the "doom and gloom" stuff, but I'm just trying to be open and honest. If people are waiting to buy a multicart, thinking they will be available "forever" then they're risking being a "have not". The sales peak appears to have been reached already, and the slide downwards has already begun. Better get 'em now, or regret it later. Ward Shrake Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm From komb@s... Wed Jan 23 20:03:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 04:03:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 59449 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 04:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 04:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.54) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 04:03:19 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.94]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020124040318.JGXM4302.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:03:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4F8780.4020604@s...> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:03:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011014 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] If you want a multicart, please say so now References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > If anyone out there is interested in ordering one of the Multicarts I > am currently making for the Bally Astrocade system, now is a great > time to do so. I just finished the fourth small batch of hand-made > carts, and am about to start a fifth batch. I'm taking orders now. > (These are made-to-order, not mass produced and then sold later.) > I hate to say it, but this is a rather small forum to sell to. In watching Bally/Astrocade sales on eBay et al. I'm convinced there's a larger Collecting group of our system than is represented here. Have you tried rec.games.video.classic? (If you have please disreguard.) There's always eBay...:) From ward.shrake@w... Wed Jan 23 21:06:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 05:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 97881 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 05:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 05:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 05:06:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.163] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2002 05:06:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:06:25 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: If you want a multicart, please say so now Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C4F8780.4020604@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4118 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Lance F. Squire" wrote: > > I hate to say it, but this is a rather small forum to sell to. Agreed. My post was meant to inform, as much as to promote new sales. Lots of discussions go on, about this project or that. I just don't want people thinking they can sell hundreds of their new gizmo, when my own experience indicates that a few dozen sales is more likely. I am sure more sales will trickle in over time... but not too many more. At first, I was struggling just to meet the demand. Six months later, I'm struggling to find people with both interest and money. I don't like painting a too-rosy picture; I prefer to paint what I see. > There's always eBay...:) No offense, but there's always "read the FAQ" too. I explained there in excellent detail, just why that is not a viable option. Not least among the reasons is the idea that it goes against eBay's own rules. Having been an active archivist and historian for years now, I feel like I'm always walking a very fine line. There comes a point where I'm not morally comfortable with doing more than I've already done, and that point is selling someone else's copyrighted code on eBay. It may be a fine distinction, but to me, it's still an important one. I'm actually a bit surprised at the hidden implication behind both of Lance's comments... to say this is a small forum, tends to imply that it may be a waste of time to post here. To push me towards eBay seems to imply that I'm wasting my time, dealing with 'true fans' of the system, when I could just be selling out to the highest bidder. I'm sure that wasn't intended, but the implication is there nonetheless? If I agreed with those premises, I'd abandon all non-modern games. Like I said before, I'm not sorry I did what I did. I'm glad. But I cannot ignore the financial realities of the situation much longer than I have already, and I feel that advance warning is much needed. It's just part of the "good communication" that any project requires. I've been working on my two multicart projects, pretty much full- time, since August of 2001 or before. I can't justify another six months of my life for thirty-eight sales of a hundred dollar item. I'm sure I will have a few more sales, over time? But since I have bills due each month, I'd rather get as many multicarts done at once as I could, hence my telling folks that now is the time, if they want one. Right now I have time available. Next month? Who knows... I don't? This is not a gimmick... my life is just that unpredictable. Please understand: the underlying premise that made this all possible in the first place, is incredibly fragile. Success in some other area of my life could kill the whole project, overnight. Failure in any area of my financial life would also kill the project, overnight. The tiny little window of opportunity in the middle that allows this project to go on, revolves around me finding enough new orders each month to pay my bills, since my 'day job' as an actor is equivalent to unemployment. (Actually, that would be a financial improvement.) For two months I managed to keep things afloat, with this project. I just don't see that lasting much longer? And since it takes a nearly full-time effort to keep this going, significant future change is inevitable. It took me six months of constant effort to pay my bills for two months. Who among you could afford to do that, for very long? I can't, and unfortunately my maxxed-out credit cards can prove it. The project is not over. I'll keep making these things, as long as I can. (Future sales will help knock that debt back down.) But the six- month period where I had all sorts of time on my hands -- due to all of Hollywood being all but dead -- has ended. This project just shifted its gears, from being a 'full-time' project to an 'as needed' project. I want people to be aware of the shift, and to begin to act accordingly. Get 'em while the gettin's good... Ward "Struggling Actor" Shrake Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm From ward.shrake@w... Thu Jan 24 11:11:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 19:11:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 32368 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 19:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 19:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 19:11:35 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.45] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2002 19:11:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:11:32 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay insanity and DPCG 7.0 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Is it just me, or are some of the recent auctions being held on eBay just completely insane? After reading a new posting that was selling a thirty-year old Bally system as "new" with a starting bid over $600 USD, I just had to say something to somebody. That's mind-blowing?! I can't believe the amount of people that are paying $40 and $60 for allegedly rare cartridge items that were not even pictured, not very long ago. To me, they all sounded a LOT like carts that Mike White had made, and that he still sells to anyone who has $10 to send him? Am I the only person that has noticed that sort of thing on eBay? I realize I'm basically a cheap blankety-blank, but this seems nuts?! Here's an idea... if you know of someone that thinks they HAVE to pay $40 per cartridge to build a collection, just point them towards my multicart FAQ. I'd love the new business, and I'm sure at least a few people would be grateful to not have to mortgage their homes just to be able to have a decent amount of games for their Astrocades? It would not hurt to have a few new members reading these boards, either. At the very least, I'll be darned glad to see an updated section in the upcoming version 7.0 of the "Digital Press Collectors Guide". The outdated information found in version 6.0 and previous, has gotta go! With all the info Mike White (and others) have to offer, I'm hoping to see a MASSIVE update to that part of the guide? Too often I see misguided eBay sellers and buyers, paying $$$ for non-rare carts, or mass-produced carts like "Muncher" being sold as rare prototypes. I'm not saying anyone's doing it on purpose, but it shouldn't be taking place at all, in my opinion. A better guide section would help, lots. Larry Anderson, if you're reading this, send me your current e-mail address... I'd like to add what I could, but e-mail to you bounces. Ward Shrake Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm From ward.shrake@w... Thu Jan 24 11:21:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 19:21:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 17667 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 19:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 19:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 19:21:40 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.143] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2002 19:21:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:21:35 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mike White's cart-building service Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1451 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan I thought I'd take a minute to plug Mike White's cart-building service, for anyone that doesn't already know about it. For $10 or so, he will build you a single cartridge of pretty much anything ever made for the Bally system. He has a 5-page catalog, online, on Adam Trionfo's "Bally Alley" web site, of what he can make available. If you only want a certain game, that's the way to go, in my opinion. Adam's web site: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/ Just click on the "Ads and Catalogs" button, then scroll all the way down. You'll see "Michael White's Catalog". Click on that link, and a whole new world of cheap and accessible software becomes available. On a related note... Adam asked me if I was going to stop working on a project that I may or may not have announced here, some time ago. (I don't recall if I did or not; I may have.) Anyway, it was about my designing a simple and cheap circuit board that Mike White could use to keep his service going when his stock of circuit boards runs out. It would also be useful to anyone wanting to make a homebrew cart of their own, once they'd written some cool new software to show off. I just want to say that project is "still alive," albeit on my usual stack of other things to do. I'll get to it again, eventually. (I had a board design roughed out, but never actually etched a prototype.) Ward Shrake Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm From ballyalley@h... Thu Jan 24 14:34:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 22:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 13721 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 22:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 22:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.178) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 22:34:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:34:49 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:34:49 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] eBay insanity and DPCG 7.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:34:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 22:34:49.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[55640390:01C1A527] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo As to Mike's carts selling on ebay- it is true, and has been happening ever since his service became availanble. I mentioned this to him late in the Summer, but he wasn't bothered by it. It DOES bother me. What needs to happen about the 7.0 version of the DP Collector's Guide is a HUGE adjustment of the Astrocade area. This won't do anything for ebay buyers though. I've given up on that. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jan 24 14:35:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 22:35:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 81327 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 22:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 22:35:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.89) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 22:35:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:35:42 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:35:41 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Working Astrocades Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:35:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 22:35:42.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[7497AF50:01C1A527] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo How many people have Astrocades that DO work? I have three, and none of them are working right. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jan 24 14:40:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 22:40:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 79343 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 22:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 22:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.159) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 22:40:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:40:57 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:40:57 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: AstroWAV? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:40:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 22:40:57.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[308D0E30:01C1A528] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Any progress on AstroWAV? Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Thu Jan 24 17:48:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 01:48:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 85020 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 01:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 01:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.73) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 01:48:04 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.249.49]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020125014803.SUPO10563.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:48:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50B94B.2050306@s...> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:47:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020104 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] eBay insanity and DPCG 7.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian That guy selling the Astrovision-box/Bally Pro arcade-label system for $600+ is N U T S !!! :) He won't get it. (Though I could be wrong.) New boxed units are not nearly as rare as he thinks! I'm sure I saw one on there Nov/Dec at a reasonable price. Ebay is totaly a buyer-beware zone! If you don't know what it should cost, you WILL pay too much! However good bargans can be had....IF you're lucky. BTW, Got to witness a dead company(Name?) auction recently. I coulden't beleave that people were biding new & better prices for used computers & monitors! Insane! From komb@s... Thu Jan 24 17:55:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 01:55:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17791 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 01:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 01:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 01:55:02 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.249.49]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020125015502.LNVJ29652.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50BAEF.5060605@s...> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:54:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020104 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Working Astrocades References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > How many people have Astrocades that DO work? I have three, and none of > them are working right. > I have 2*. One is my 'New' main unit (with box & all). The other is my Original. *The Original has a dead memory bit. Fortunetly for BASIC it's in a graphic bit. Causes problems/exploits in some games. Won't part with either at this point though. From komb@s... Thu Jan 24 17:59:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 01:59:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 74403 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 01:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 01:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 01:59:05 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.249.49]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020125015905.LQRL29652.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:59:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50BBE2.5070502@s...> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:58:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020104 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] AstroWAV? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Any progress on AstroWAV? > > Adam That reminds me, I was working on the text to bas/bin(What ever)file, but got stuck on an efficient way to convert a single byte to 2 bytes odd(or even) bits.... I could do it the long way, but that would just suck! :( Lance From komb@s... Thu Jan 24 18:09:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 02:09:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 44087 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 02:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 02:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 02:09:11 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.249.49]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020125020910.TGMD10563.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50BE3F.3020705@s...> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:09:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020104 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: If you want a multicart, please say so now References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian My only intent was to point out that it's hard to get 50+ sales from a group with 48 members. :) You will have to look further abroad. However I would Also like to say I think this is only a subset of the total Bally/Astrocade base. (Only Those dedicated enough to seek out & hunt down other sites, information & people related to the Bally/Astrocade. ;)) Proud to be in you presence! Lance F. Squire From komb@s... Thu Jan 24 19:43:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 03:43:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 56233 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 03:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 03:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.55) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 03:43:21 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.249.49]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020125034320.QTWC25654.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:43:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50D452.4020806@s...> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:43:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020104 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] eBay insanity and DPCG 7.0 References: <3C50B94B.2050306@s...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Lance F. Squire wrote: > That guy selling the Astrovision-box/Bally Pro arcade-label system for > $600+ is N U T S !!! :) > OOPS! Computer System label. Even more common in this condition. From jwkrych@n... Thu Jan 24 20:17:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 04:17:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 57848 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 04:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 04:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 04:17:43 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.145] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2002 04:17:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 04:17:40 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Internal memory expansion Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2093 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 24.50.231.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Hi all! I had been asking some other Z-80 hardware experts, and people at work for help in this. I can understand how a '138 can decode out 8 blocks of 8K for a 64K system-ours. I have seen designs with two '138s allowing for 1K decoding. What I want to do is this-Tony your help anytime! :) I want to have just a '138 and a 64K x 8 SRAM(cahce type) I want the memory to start at 6000H and continue for the rest of the available memory space, 40K left. In worst case, a regular 32K x 8 SRAM chip would do fine-only the last 8K would not be used. I know the use of a 64K x 8 cache SRAM leaves 24K unused, but that's okay-I want a single memory chip. What I am getting caught up on is the way to decode the areas wanted with one chip-and not 5 8K SRAM chips. I want this to be internal, and not needing to be placed on the outside, since there is no +5V on the expansion bus. Though, I could get it from the light-pen port. The parts will be of the HCT type, so my current drain will be very small. I have looked at the schematics of the BPA and have found that the only place for all my signals is the Z-80 itself. I looked at one of my spare BPAs-it's dead due to being on a carpeted surface! ;( And was hoping that the socketed chips-the custom ones, would have what I need. Well, NOT!!! I don't have a problem with de-soldering the Z-80 from the BPA and putting a nice 40-pin machine socket.(helps to work at a high-tech company!!!) I have excellent de-soldering stations to work with. A small circuit board with the '138 and the SRAM will sit in the socket, and the Z-80 on the top of the little daughter board. Either this or a small external board that draws from the light-pen port is what I conceive for a BPA simple memory board. Unless, we want a switch put in and an 8K EPROM(Blue RAM BASIC) that would reside at the 2000H space, cart area, and only would be activated with the switch, make darn sure no cart is in the port!!! Tell me what you think! Jim W. Krych p.s. Try out this site guys! http://www.roarvgm.com/images/devastator_9908.jpg From cybpunks@h... Fri Jan 25 09:50:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 17:50:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 4223 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 17:50:40 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.169] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2002 17:50:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:50:36 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Internal memory expansion Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 792 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "krishna.geo" X-Originating-IP: 4.33.175.247 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: krishna.geo I think it should be external with power either through the light pen or a separate A/C adapter. There may be problems drawing power from the light pen port as it would put strain on the stock Bally power supply. I hope you can complete a prototype as a proof of concept! --- In ballyalley@y..., "centurion030" wrote: Either this or a small external board that draws from the light-pen port is what I conceive for a BPA simple memory board. Unless, we want a switch put in and an 8K EPROM(Blue RAM BASIC) that would reside at the 2000H space, cart area, and only would be activated with the switch, make darn sure no cart is in the port!!! Tell me what you think! > > Jim W. Krych > p.s. Try out this site guys! > http://www.roarvgm.com/images/devastator_9908.jpg From ballyalley@h... Fri Jan 25 15:22:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Jan 2002 23:22:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 71972 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 23:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2002 23:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.224) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 23:22:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:22:44 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:22:43 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Internal memory expansion Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:22:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 23:22:44.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[311772D0:01C1A5F7] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I'm for EXTERNAL memory expansion with external power supply. I'm rehashing some of what I said earlier, but my specs are simple: 1) Emulate a cartridge (in a similar fashion to the Blue Ram?). 2) Some method to get data to the memory expander (serial, USB, audio, thought-waves; something). 3) Could hardware be used to switch screens quickly, like a buffer? Example: move data from the expansion device to screen memory to animate screens quickly. I don't have grand ideas; I'd just like to see a simple WORKING device that any user could use without the need to open the box. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From jwkrych@n... Fri Jan 25 16:46:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 00:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 35679 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 00:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 00:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 00:46:19 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.158] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2002 00:46:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:46:15 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Internal memory and more Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 694 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 24.50.231.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Okay! We could do an external design, using an AC adaptor. That is no problem. We could use a 128K SRAM to allow full memory, plus have a possible space for a cart decoding-once the memory was loaded with the cart. I am not certain how screen RAM could be switched, now knowing the BPA works in this area. How to load rapidly from an outside source-perhaps Chad Schell can help in this. I will contact him. We could have an 8K EPROM decoded with a switch to reside at the 2000H space. Now, I also have a though to say, and one that benefits us immediately. How about a compiler for AstroBASIC, or Blue RAM Basic? Have it written on the PC and then send the code to the BPA? Jim From fmillera@p... Fri Jan 25 18:42:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 02:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18050 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 02:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 02:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:42:39 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.241.149]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GQI005Z1Y71A6@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:42:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:42:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Internal memory expansion In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020125184131.00aecf08@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_705724==_.ALT" References: From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_705724==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:50 PM 1/25/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I think it should be external with power either through the light pen >or a separate A/C adapter. There may be problems drawing power from >the light pen port as it would put strain on the stock Bally power >supply. Whole-heartedly agree! The power supply is already under-rated and over-taxed, much like our citizens! Cheers, Tony Miller >I hope you can complete a prototype as a proof of concept! > >--- In ballyalley@y..., "centurion030" wrote: >Either this or a small external board that draws from the light-pen >port is what I conceive for a BPA simple memory board. Unless, we >want a switch put in and an 8K EPROM(Blue RAM BASIC) that would >reside at the 2000H space, cart area, and only would be activated >with the switch, make darn sure no cart is in the port!!! > >Tell me what you think! > > > > > Jim W. Krych > > p.s. Try out this site guys! > > > http://www.roarvgm.com/ > images/devastator_9908.jpg > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_705724==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 05:50 PM 1/25/2002 +0000, you wrote:
I think it should be external with power either through the light pen
or a separate A/C adapter.  There may be problems drawing power from
the light pen port as it would put strain on the stock Bally power
supply.


Whole-heartedly agree!  The power supply is already under-rated and over-taxed, much like our citizens!

Cheers,

Tony Miller


I hope you can complete a prototype as a proof of concept!

--- In ballyalley@y..., "centurion030" <jwkrych@n...> wrote:
Either this or a small external board that draws from the light-pen
port is what I conceive for a BPA simple memory board. Unless, we
want a switch put in and an 8K EPROM(Blue RAM BASIC) that would
reside at the 2000H space, cart area, and only would be activated
with the switch, make darn sure no cart is in the port!!!

Tell me what you think!

>
> Jim W. Krych
> p.s. Try out this site guys!
> http://www.roarvgm.com/images/devastator_9908.jpg


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--=====================_705724==_.ALT-- From fmillera@p... Fri Jan 25 18:48:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 02:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 27584 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 02:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 02:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:48:33 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.241.149]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GQI00DCBYGUG7@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:48:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:48:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Internal memory expansion In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020125184313.00add3f8@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1059062==_.ALT" From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_1059062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:22 PM 1/25/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I'm for EXTERNAL memory expansion with external power supply. I'm rehashing >some of what I said earlier, but my specs are simple: > >1) Emulate a cartridge (in a similar fashion to the Blue Ram?). > >2) Some method to get data to the memory expander (serial, USB, audio, >thought-waves; something). > >3) Could hardware be used to switch screens quickly, like a buffer? >Example: move data from the expansion device to screen memory to animate >screens quickly. > >I don't have grand ideas; I'd just like to see a simple WORKING device that >any user could use without the need to open the box. Some time ago I proposed an expansion thingy that would plug into a computer parallel port, for downloads, uploads, etc. Then everyone's computer could hold all the software, and be used as a development platform, with suitable software. The thingy would have a 64 K SRAM like currently being talked about. It would be fairly straightforward to add a DMA to transfer data to the screen as fast as the custom chips would allow. But why use BASIC (Beginner's Algorithm for Seeming Infinite Confusion)? How about something more modern, like C, C++, or as they say south of the border, Si? Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support >/worldwide.aspx > > >Yahoo! Groups >Sponsor1705006497:HM/A=919357/R=0/*http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?gloss >2+shopping:dmad/M=153641.1824646.3335993.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705006497:H >M/A=919357/R=1/1012000965+http://us.rm> > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_1059062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:22 PM 1/25/2002 -0800, you wrote:
I'm for EXTERNAL memory expansion with external power supply.  I'm rehashing
some of what I said earlier, but my specs are simple:

1) Emulate a cartridge (in a similar fashion to the Blue Ram?).

2) Some method to get data to the memory expander (serial, USB, audio,
thought-waves; something).

3) Could hardware be used to switch screens quickly, like a buffer? 
Example: move data from the expansion device to screen memory to animate
screens quickly.

I don't have grand ideas; I'd just like to see a simple WORKING device that
any user could use without the need to open the box.

Some time ago I proposed an expansion thingy that would plug into a computer parallel port, for downloads, uploads, etc.  Then everyone's computer could hold all the software, and be used as a development platform, with suitable software.  The thingy would have a 64 K SRAM like currently being talked about.  It would be fairly straightforward to add a DMA to transfer data to the screen as fast as the custom chips would allow.

But why use BASIC (Beginner's Algorithm for Seeming Infinite Confusion)?  How about something more modern, like C, C++, or as they say south of the border, Si?

Cheers,

Tony Miller

Adam



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--=====================_1059062==_.ALT-- From fmillera@p... Fri Jan 25 19:26:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 26 Jan 2002 03:26:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 62530 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 02:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2002 02:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:38:43 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.241.149]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GQI002URY0GF2@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:38:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:38:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Internal memory expansion In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020125183649.00aaf578@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_468894==_.ALT" From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_468894==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:17 AM 1/25/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all! > >I had been asking some other Z-80 hardware experts, and people at >work for help in this. > >I can understand how a '138 can decode out 8 blocks of 8K for a 64K >system-ours. I have seen designs with two '138s allowing for 1K >decoding. > >What I want to do is this-Tony your help anytime! :) >I want to have just a '138 and a 64K x 8 SRAM(cahce type) I want the >memory to start at 6000H and continue for the rest of the available >memory space, 40K left. In worst case, a regular 32K x 8 SRAM chip >would do fine-only the last 8K would not be used. I know the use of a >64K x 8 cache SRAM leaves 24K unused, but that's okay-I want a single >memory chip. What I am getting caught up on is the way to decode the >areas wanted with one chip-and not 5 8K SRAM chips. If you have a 64K x 8 RAM with two chip selects, you can do this with one NOR gate (HCT02, etc). If your RAM has only a single chip select, you would have to add an OR gate (HCT32, etc.) If interested, I will post a .pdf schematic. Cheers, Tony Miller >I want this to be internal, and not needing to be placed on the >outside, since there is no +5V on the expansion bus. Though, I could >get it from the light-pen port. > >The parts will be of the HCT type, so my current drain will be very >small. > > >I have looked at the schematics of the BPA and have found that the >only place for all my signals is the Z-80 itself. I looked at one of >my spare BPAs-it's dead due to being on a carpeted surface! ;( And >was hoping that the socketed chips-the custom ones, would have what I >need. Well, NOT!!! > >I don't have a problem with de-soldering the Z-80 from the BPA and >putting a nice 40-pin machine socket.(helps to work at a high-tech >company!!!) I have excellent de-soldering stations to work with. A >small circuit board with the '138 and the SRAM will sit in the >socket, and the Z-80 on the top of the little daughter board. > >Either this or a small external board that draws from the light-pen >port is what I conceive for a BPA simple memory board. Unless, we >want a switch put in and an 8K EPROM(Blue RAM BASIC) that would >reside at the 2000H space, cart area, and only would be activated >with the switch, make darn sure no cart is in the port!!! > >Tell me what you think! > >Jim W. Krych >p.s. Try out this site guys! >http://www.roarvgm.com/i >mages/devastator_9908.jpg > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups >Sponsor1705006497:HM/A=889707/R=0/*http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?gloss >2+shopping:dmad/M=153641.1824646.3335993.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705006497:H >M/A=889707/R=1/1011932264+http://us.rm> > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_468894==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 04:17 AM 1/25/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Hi all!

I had been asking some other Z-80 hardware experts, and people at
work for help in this.

I can understand how a '138 can decode out 8 blocks of 8K for a 64K
system-ours. I have seen designs with two '138s allowing for 1K
decoding.

What I want to do is this-Tony your help anytime! :)
I want to have just a '138 and a 64K x 8 SRAM(cahce type) I want the
memory to start at 6000H and continue for the rest of the available
memory space, 40K left. In worst case, a regular 32K x 8 SRAM chip
would do fine-only the last 8K would not be used. I know the use of a
64K x 8 cache SRAM leaves 24K unused, but that's okay-I want a single
memory chip. What I am getting caught up on is the way to decode the
areas wanted with one chip-and not 5 8K SRAM chips.

If you have a 64K x 8 RAM with two chip selects, you can do this with one NOR gate (HCT02, etc).  If your RAM has only a single chip select, you would have to add an OR gate (HCT32, etc.)  If interested, I will post a .pdf schematic.

Cheers,

Tony Miller

I want this to be internal, and not needing to be placed on the
outside, since there is no +5V on the expansion bus. Though, I could
get it from the light-pen port.

The parts will be of the HCT type, so my current drain will be very
small.


I have looked at the schematics of the BPA and have found that the
only place for all my signals is the Z-80 itself. I looked at one of
my spare BPAs-it's dead due to being on a carpeted surface! ;( And
was hoping that the socketed chips-the custom ones, would have what I
need. Well, NOT!!!

I don't have a problem with de-soldering the Z-80 from the BPA and
putting a nice 40-pin machine socket.(helps to work at a high-tech
company!!!)  I have excellent de-soldering stations to work with. A
small circuit board with the '138 and the SRAM will sit in the
socket, and the Z-80 on the top of the little daughter board.

Either this or a small external board that draws from the light-pen
port is what I conceive for a BPA simple memory board. Unless, we
want a switch put in and an 8K EPROM(Blue RAM BASIC) that would
reside at the 2000H space, cart area, and only would be activated
with the switch, make darn sure no cart is in the port!!!

Tell me what you think!

Jim W. Krych
p.s. Try out this site guys!
http://www.roarvgm.com/images/devastator_9908.jpg





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--=====================_468894==_.ALT-- From ward.shrake@w... Mon Jan 28 18:19:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 02:19:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 90335 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 02:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 02:19:09 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.170] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2002 02:19:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:19:06 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Internal memory and more Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 609 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "centurion030" wrote: (snip) > How to load rapidly from an outside source-perhaps Chad Schell can > help in this. I will contact him. Just one other possible thought along those lines... you guys may want to check this out: http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/crossplatform/transfer/C2N232/ This is info about a Commodore compatible device that someone I know from those circles designed and wrote up, for all to see. Parts of it may be of interest ... or not. Just offering it up, "in case". Ward Shrake Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm From ward.shrake@w... Tue Jan 29 15:35:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 29 Jan 2002 23:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 11049 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2002 23:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2002 23:35:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.60) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 23:35:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.181] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2002 23:35:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:35:33 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: If you want a multicart, please say so now Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C50BE3F.3020705@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.186 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan ...and furthermore... Adding to my earlier gripes and/or reasons for rethinking the whole multicart project, would be the fact that I spent an incredible amount of time writing a FAQ that may as well not exist at all. No one reads the stupid thing! I'm seriously considering taking it down, after this next (short) batch of carts is made and sold, and just doing things via e-mail. I'm 99% certain that's what I will do, soon? In case you're wondering, this latest foul mood was caused by three cart cancellations, *after* the order-ees had chosen their multicart numbers, and after I had ordered the raw parts I needed to make their carts. (In other words, almost half the carts in this next batch were cancelled, making me REALLY wonder about this project's short-term?) One of the cancellees (with two carts) even talked all sorts of "wow" type stuff up front, saying I should seriously consider going through his web site, and/or selling these games through dealers. (Which made little if any sense in the first place, and made me wonder if the person had even attempted to read the FAQ I'd written? No discounts, one to a person, made to order, produced by hand, hand-numbered; all this and more had been discussed in the Multicart FAQ, and virtually all of it would have to be abandoned to fit into this person's scheme of things. Obviously, it wasn't worth their time to become informed.) Long story short, he ends by asking what the carts cost... way AFTER he had said he would buy them, he had picked his cart numbers, etc. Huh? How any responsible adult could ask what they cost, at that late point in the process, is beyond me? How they could ask it at all, when it was sitting there in the FAQ all along is just mind-boggling. The FAQ clearly and publicly states that I consider this to be a once- in-a-lifetime opportunity to get one of these items. It says I will not be making them forever. It says no cancellations are allowed after a person has told me they want to definitely put in an order, and so on. It's all meaningless. I wasted my breath completely, on those people. They cancelled and plan to come back months or years from now. Whatever. Windows of opportunity only stay open so long. People can whine all they like about we homebrew types, saying that some of us don't run their projects as well as they should. That's a two-way street; many potential customers are not overly credible in anything they say, and border on being total flakes in some ways. I am glad to say they're in the minority, but they're annoying all the same. And people like that bring on an early end to many projects, I am sure? I suspect that many of the best-known homebrew types know this all to well, and don't believe anything till "the check clears". I know that's the case, because I talked to many of them in private. I said in the FAQ that I'd be making these until the good no longer outweighed the bad. Things are beginning to tip more and more in that direction, folks. I make no promises, beyond this next small batch. I am not trying to scare anyone; that's just the reality of the matter. To all who bought one of my multicarts, and made the process pleasant for the both of us, I say a hearty and deeply felt "Thank you"! I hope you all play with and enjoy your multicarts for years to come! Ward Shrake Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm From ballyalley@h... Tue Jan 29 16:04:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 00:04:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 57540 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 00:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 00:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.128) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 00:04:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:04:00 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:04:00 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: If you want a multicart, please say so now Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:04:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 00:04:00.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E9C1A90:01C1A921] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I read the mutlti-cart FAQ through several revisions and I can see how someone might not read it; Ward, it's long-- people don't read anymore. If you make the FAQ just three sentences long you will sell more multicarts. Ah, maybe not. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bbauer@n... Tue Jan 29 20:25:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bbauer@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 30 Jan 2002 04:25:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 86597 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 04:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2002 04:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.nc.rr.com) (24.93.67.54) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 04:25:47 -0000 Received: from johndoe ([66.26.242.251]) by mail7.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:25:45 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c1a946$4b83fab0$0100a8c0@j...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: If you want a multicart, please say so now Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:26:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Return-Path: bbauer@n... From: "Ben Bauer" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77764746 X-Yahoo-Profile: arcadenut2002 I just recieved your multicart and I can personally say I am very impressed by the quality of your work. The construction is very professionally done. I have not played it yet but I can not wait to set up my system again and play it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "commie_fan" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Re: If you want a multicart, please say so now > ...and furthermore... > > Adding to my earlier gripes and/or reasons for rethinking the whole > multicart project, would be the fact that I spent an incredible > amount of time writing a FAQ that may as well not exist at all. No > one reads the stupid thing! I'm seriously considering taking it down, > after this next (short) batch of carts is made and sold, and just > doing things via e-mail. I'm 99% certain that's what I will do, soon? > > In case you're wondering, this latest foul mood was caused by three > cart cancellations, *after* the order-ees had chosen their multicart > numbers, and after I had ordered the raw parts I needed to make their > carts. (In other words, almost half the carts in this next batch were > cancelled, making me REALLY wonder about this project's short-term?) > > One of the cancellees (with two carts) even talked all sorts of "wow" > type stuff up front, saying I should seriously consider going through > his web site, and/or selling these games through dealers. (Which made > little if any sense in the first place, and made me wonder if the > person had even attempted to read the FAQ I'd written? No discounts, > one to a person, made to order, produced by hand, hand-numbered; all > this and more had been discussed in the Multicart FAQ, and virtually > all of it would have to be abandoned to fit into this person's scheme > of things. Obviously, it wasn't worth their time to become informed.) > > Long story short, he ends by asking what the carts cost... way AFTER > he had said he would buy them, he had picked his cart numbers, etc. > > Huh? How any responsible adult could ask what they cost, at that late > point in the process, is beyond me? How they could ask it at all, > when it was sitting there in the FAQ all along is just mind-boggling. > > The FAQ clearly and publicly states that I consider this to be a once- > in-a-lifetime opportunity to get one of these items. It says I will > not be making them forever. It says no cancellations are allowed > after a person has told me they want to definitely put in an order, > and so on. It's all meaningless. I wasted my breath completely, on > those people. They cancelled and plan to come back months or years > from now. Whatever. Windows of opportunity only stay open so long. > > People can whine all they like about we homebrew types, saying that > some of us don't run their projects as well as they should. That's a > two-way street; many potential customers are not overly credible in > anything they say, and border on being total flakes in some ways. I > am glad to say they're in the minority, but they're annoying all the > same. And people like that bring on an early end to many projects, I > am sure? I suspect that many of the best-known homebrew types know > this all to well, and don't believe anything till "the check clears". > I know that's the case, because I talked to many of them in private. > > I said in the FAQ that I'd be making these until the good no longer > outweighed the bad. Things are beginning to tip more and more in that > direction, folks. I make no promises, beyond this next small batch. I > am not trying to scare anyone; that's just the reality of the matter. > > To all who bought one of my multicarts, and made the process pleasant > for the both of us, I say a hearty and deeply felt "Thank you"! I > hope you all play with and enjoy your multicarts for years to come! > > Ward Shrake > Multicart FAQ: http://classicgaming.com/arcadia/multifaq.htm > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From rich_gallo@h... Thu Jan 31 12:02:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rich_gallo@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 20:02:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 41309 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 20:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 20:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 20:02:47 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.119] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2002 20:02:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:02:20 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: I got my MULTICART!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 507 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rich_gallo_66" X-Originating-IP: 206.210.27.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77195557 X-Yahoo-Profile: rich_gallo_66 Just wanted to say that this is a fine piece of craftmanship! I am very excited to receive this item. I just recently got the Bally Arcade and the only reason I did was because of the availablilty of the multicart. As a classic gamer, sure collecting is fun, but I want to PLAY the games just as much. This is a great way to jump right in head first into the Bally world, and I must say for a system that is from that early era in VG history, it is an exciting piece of hardware. JOB WELL DONE! From ballyalley@h... Thu Jan 31 15:53:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 23:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 88699 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 23:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.77) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:53:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:53:23 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:53:22 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] I got my MULTICART!! Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:53:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2002 23:53:23.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[77A49560:01C1AAB2] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> As a classic gamer, sure collecting is fun, but I want to PLAY the games just as much. >> Amazing as it seems, I havn't read that in a while, "I want to PLAY." It's a breath of fresh air. It sure looks cool to have all these pieces of plastic [cartridges], but after a while I started asking myself, what the heck am I going to do with this plastic? And it's so HEAVY. And takes up so much ROOM. Okay, I'm making excuses, but yes, multicarts are COOL. >> This is a great way to jump right in head first into the Bally world, and I must say for a system that is from that early era in VG history, it is an exciting piece of hardware. >> The Bally is exciting (even when NOT from that era), but most people find it hard to come acorss the hardware, and well, that makes it really hard to use any carts, even a multicart. Thankfully Jim is going to make a Turbo Supercharged Twin-Rocket Engine MB replacment, but it will only work on the White Bally. [wink] Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From rich_gallo@h... Fri Feb 01 09:02:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rich_gallo@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 17:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 38651 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 17:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 17:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 17:02:21 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.149] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2002 16:51:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:02:14 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: I got my MULTICART!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 255 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rich_gallo_66" X-Originating-IP: 206.210.27.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77195557 X-Yahoo-Profile: rich_gallo_66 --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > Thankfully Jim is going to make a Turbo > Supercharged Twin-Rocket Engine MB replacment, but it will only work on the > White Bally. [wink] [nudge][nudge] I have a White Bally! [wink] From ballyalley@h... Fri Feb 01 15:10:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 23:10:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 85341 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 23:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.84) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:10:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:10:46 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:10:45 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Geroge Moses Conversation Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:10:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_72b7_6113_1706" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 23:10:46.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADF14C80:01C1AB75] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo ------=_NextPart_000_72b7_6113_1706 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Attached is a summary of several emails that I exchanged with George Moses. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------=_NextPart_000_72b7_6113_1706 Content-Type: text/plain; name="George_Moses_Article.txt"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="George_Moses_Article.txt" Bally Alley Presents: Astrocade Conversations with George Moses By Adam Trionfo In July and August of 2001 I exchanged email with George Moses, the man who investigated Astrocade's sound capabilities and released many compilations of music on cassette for BASIC. I've collected and compiled the essentials of these emails into this interview-style article. I've abbreviated my questions, omitted Bally Alley background history, structured this as an interview, and placed questions and answers out of sequence (to give a more 'readable' quality'). I sent this compilation to George to make sure that the sequence of events is correct and to assure that there are no omissions; he found no errors. In my first email to George, as an introduction, I explained about myself and Bally Alley, ending by summarizing with this: "My goal with Bally Alley has been to attract attention in the established classic gaming area. I also am curious to see if any Z-80 programmers come out of the woodwork. Every other classic system (i.e Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision) has programmers writing new carts, why not the Astrocade too? Some of these new games on the other systems are as good (and infrequently better) than original releases." Adam : Were you involved with the Bally Professional Arcade (Astrocade)? If so, then you are the George Moses I am seeking. I have been looking for you, in conjunction with Astrocade information, for about a year. Brett Bilbrey sent me your email address [...] and I am following up on his lead. George: Yep, that's me. Brett and I are old friends and we met because of the old Bally Professional Arcade. I saw a program in The Arcadian that he wrote in Bally Basic that simulated the toy Simon game [ARCADIAN 1, no. 5 (March 1979): 35]. It wouldn't run, but I noticed he was from Dearborn, not too far from me. So, I got out the phone book and looked up Bilbrey and found him. We got together with a bunch of like-minded friends and formed "BUG," (Bally Users Group) and had lots of meetings, shared programs and techniques and really made an impact on the people who made the Arcade. Adam: Thanks for contacting me. I looked up your website. Now I know how come the best looking ads in the "Arcadian" were always yours. You know all about printing. Do you have the Cursor COLOR pages 52 and 53? I have posted all of Cursor on Bally Alley and would like to have readable versions of these pages. Someone on the Astrocade message board said he could make the pages readable in black and white (MUCH smaller file size) if he could use the original color pages (I have only a photocopy). George: I have ALL of the original Cursors. I could email the color version to you. Of course, I could clean it up first to get rid of the color and convert it into a graphic file. Your choice (GIF, JPG, PDF). [later] I found those pages and scanned them in. Using a series of masks, I was able to get rid of everything on the two pages except the text. Then, I touched up some of the type, especially across the middle of the page where the fold was. I Attached two 1-bit tiffs, one for each page at 300 pixels per inch. But Hotmail refused them because they exceeded the file transfer limit (about 900 k each). Adam: [Thanks!] Adam: Do you know where I can contact Fred Cornett of Cursor? (I doubt this very much.) I understand he sort of "disappeared" when problems with the newsletter arose. I would like to contact him and let him know that Cursor is online. George: Fred Cornett? I went to AltaVista.com and used their people finder and asked for "Fred Cornett" and the state of California and only two of them popped up. I think he lived in California when he was publishing Cursor. This is all I could find: [listing of two people] Adam: I tried the Fred Cornett contact information that you sent from Altavista. The first number is a FAX line and the second number is not for a Fred, it is for a lady named Floral (or something like that). I'll try writing to the first address. [I followed up on the leads, neither of these people was Fred Cornett] Adam: Do you have any unreleased cartridges, written by yourself or anyone? George: I have a couple of unreleased cartridges given to me by Scott Norris, a former Bally programmer. Adam: Do you remember the titles of some of these unreleased cartridges that you have? If they have not already been archived, would you be willing to lend them out to someone that has the ability to dump the EPROM? George: They don't work very well and it would take someone like Brett Bilbrey to figure them out. I also have one of their demo cartridges that demonstrates the console with a great J.S. Bach musical introduction. Adam: I am seeking the copyright holders of all the non-PD software so that it can be legally available, either as public domain (preferred) or as freely distributable software. This software will then be posted on Bally Alley and possibly a limited release CD-ROM. For instance, Robert Fabris has granted permission for all the software in the Arcadian to be posted in this manner. When the rights of the software are available, a distribution method for the tape software needs to be found. WAV and MP3 work best, but the exact data format of the 2000 baud interface isn't available. These sound files need to be digitally remastered so that current users are not frustrated like past tape users (volume control, hiss, head-alignment, etc). What is the status of your Astrocade software? Are you willing to make it public domain? George: You are free to use any of the programs I have created. I don't know how you would use the many Bally Basic programs with the emulator, but one idea comes to mind. Mike White used to burn ROM's of cartridges all the time, and he figured out a way to make a cartridge out of a Bally Basic program by burning the program data right in with the cartridge data [the Astrocade Multicart does just what George suggests]. I have a great Yahtzee game that was published in the Arcadian [2, no. 8 (June 1980): 74-75,82,88.]. Mike improved the code of the Basic game and then put it on a cartridge and sent it to me. It's a great 4 player game that keeps score and moves very fast! And, Mike Peace designed some of the greatest Bally Basic games in existence, including many for the Blue Ram. Adam: Michael White wants me to make sure that I didn't misunderstand your statement [about releasing your programs to the public domain]. I took it for granted that your "Songs" cartridge is now freely distributable along with your tapes. Am I correct? George: I have never written a cartridge. Adam: Mike White would like to send you a Bally cartridge called "Songs." Someone gave it to him in the nineteen eighties and told him that you made it. The songs are yours, but he also was under the impression that you made the cartridge. Also, I have your song "Yesterday" on cartridge with accompanied music notes. Michael sent this to me; he told me that Richard C. Degler made this. George: All my programs were Bally Basic or Astro Basic. I sold a tape cassette with several songs on it. What the user did was plug in the Basic cartridge, load the self-starting Basic program at the beginning of the tape and leave the tape running in the cassette player. As soon as the program booted, it would start reading the music data from the tape. Once it "poked" all the data in consecutive memory locations, it would start "peeking" at the consecutive locations, loading the three-tone sound processor and start playing the notes. Each chord was accompanied by a "duration" value, so you could, in effect play whole notes, half notes, sixteenth notes, any kind of rhythm you wanted! [See ARCADIAN, 2 no. 7 (May 1980): 62-63. for a tutorial written by George on this technique.] Anyhow, once the entire song was done playing, the program would start looking at the tape again for the next song. Since the Arcade had no facility for turning the cassette player on and off, I put long blank spaces on the tape, perfectly timed, so when one song ended, the next one would start loading. I had about 15 songs on a tape. There was a Scott Joplin ragtime piano tape, a Christmas Carol tape and a Bach tape containing 13 of his Two Part Inventions. I had a lot of others too. Also, the original Bally Basic Cartridge had a very powerful math function (which was kicked out of the cartridge in its later version in favor of the editor and prefetch function). Using this function, I created a Timecard Calculator program that you could use to figure out your employees' timecards with precision to four decimal places [CURSOR, 2, no. 5 (January/February 1981): 85-86.] Another program I wrote was a home budgeting program. It wasn't very exciting, but it showed what you could do with the data arrays to keep track of your expenses in different categories. And, I wrote another program ["Astro Zap 2000," ARCADIAN, 4, no. 9 (July 1982): 88.] that was a game something like Space Fortress. It was very fast, with good sounds and explosions, and a function that kept your score. It was no match for the cartridge version, but it was fun to try. Adam: [Astrocade] games [...] can be found [on the Internet in] ROM image collections [that are] dancing on the edge of legality, which is why I am looking for copyright holders so that a collection like this can be posted without existing in any "gray area." This is why I am so glad that you have released your programs. I'm going to write an announcement about the public release of your software. I have contacted Don Gladden too. He still lives in California. He also has allowed all his programs to become public domain (postcardware, actually). I have to figure out how to post your tape programs on Bally Alley. With most other 2000 baud tapes, the WAV files are short, but yours will be too long to post as compressed WAV or even MP3 files. I need to find a workaround for this. Mike and I were talking about Lister, the program you wrote. I was going to order the cartridge from him for potential future use, but the version he has is modified to print to the parallel port on the Blue RAM. While I do have a 16K Blue Ram, I do not have this interface. George: Speaking of the Blue Ram, I have what is probably the only 32k Blue Ram ever built by Perkins Engineering. I know I have a version of the Blue Ram Utility, along with many other programs on tape by John Perkins. Whether they still work or not, I'll have to find out. Adam: [Mike...] said that Clyde made one other 32K Blue Ram besides yours (that he knows of). [Do] you know how to contact some of the original Astrocade community? Do you know the whereabouts of any of these people: John Perkins, Andy Guevara, Ken Lill, Michael Prosise, or Mike Peace? George: [Gives me Mike's email address] By the way, Mike Peace has a website at: http://members.aol.com/MakePeace1/page11.html There's a link there that will take you to his song library. He is a musician and has produced quite a few CDs. There are lots of funny songs too and he lets you download MP3 files of them free. I wrote the lyrics to one of them, "Thank You Scary Movies." Adam: Thanks for Mike Peace's email address, I sent him an email and I hope to hear back from him soon. [Mike did respond and we exchanged a couple of emails, which I collected in a short article.] Selected Articles and Programs: Bilbrey, Brett. "Simon," ARCADIAN 1, no. 5 (March 1979): 35. Moses, George. "Analog (non-digital) Clock," ARCADIAN, 3, no. 10 (August 1981): 105. ----. "Astro Zap 2000," ARCADIAN, 4, no. 9 (July 1982): 88 ----. "Character Display in Extended BASIC," ARCADIAN, 5, no. 9 (July 1983): 145. ----. "Executive Time Card Calculator," Cursor, 2, no. 5 (January/February 1981): 85-86. ----. "How to Add Sound Effects to Daredevil," ARCADIAN, 3, no.11 (September 1981): 111. ----. "How to Use the Blue Ram BASIC 'Play%()' Command," ARCADIAN, 5, no. 8 (June 1983): 128. ----. "Michigan Bally User's Group gets a look at Zgrass-32 'add-under' for the Arcade!," ARCADIAN, 3, no. 6 (April 1981): 64-65. ----. "Music Input Program, Plays 3-Tone Music in BASIC," ARCADIAN 2, no. 7 (May 1980): 62-63. ----. "Music Processor Command, Part II," ARCADIAN, 5, no. 10 (August 1983): 156. ----. "New 3 Voice Music Assembler Featuring no REM Statements," ARCADIAN 4, no. 1 (November 1981): 10-11. ----. "Sound Port - Sound Variable Conversion," ARCADIAN, 5, no. 4 (February 1983): 58-59. ----. "Tonic for Bitter Music," Cursor, 2, no. 2 (September 1980): 61. ----. "We Three Kings of Orient Are," Cursor, 2, no. 3 (October 1980): 69. Wiseman, Bob. "Yahtzee," Arcadian 2, no. 8 (June 1980): 74-75, 82, 88. Selected Advertisements for Music Tapes: Moses, George. "3-Part Arcade Christmas Music," ARCADIAN, 3, 1 (November 1980): 9. ----. "Make Your Arcade Sing," ARCADIAN, 5, no. 2 (December 1982): 35. ----. "3-Part Harmony Software," ARCADIAN, 6, no. 11/12 (October 1984): 121. -- February 1, 2002 ------=_NextPart_000_72b7_6113_1706-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Feb 01 15:11:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 23:11:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 97454 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 23:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.154) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:11:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:11:55 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:11:55 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Mike Peace (Wavemakers) Conversation Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:11:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_6dbb_61f7_78e2" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 23:11:55.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7818EC0:01C1AB75] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo ------=_NextPart_000_6dbb_61f7_78e2 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Attached is a summary of several emails that I exchanged with Mike Peace of Wavemakers. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_6dbb_61f7_78e2 Content-Type: text/plain; name="wavemakers.txt"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wavemakers.txt" Bally Alley Presents: Wavemakers's History and Overview From Mike Peace By Adam Trionfo In early August 2001 I exchanged email with Mike Peace, the programmer behind the popular Astrocade cassette-release-only company, Wavemakers. I've collected and compiled the essentials of these emails into this interview-style article. I sent this compilation to Mike to make sure that the sequence of events is correct and to assure that there are no omissions; he found no errors. Adam: Briefly, I have questions for you along the lines of the history of Wavemakers. I also am curious about where the rights to your software stands. I have contacted George Moses, Brett Bilbrey, and Don Gladden; each of them has made their programs public domain or freely distributable. Bob Fabris has also allowed me to post his newsletter on Bally Alley and on the possible future CD-ROM. Mike: I own the rights to the programs that I wrote for [the] Bally, so that gives me the control over how they can be used. Basically, they ain't making me any money anymore. I don't know if you have any copies of the games at this point, cuz I really don't know who you are or anything about you or what your plans are. I would be glad to consider any ideas that you have in mind. I find it amazing that you are interested in resurrecting the ole Bally\Astrocade. Sounds interesting. Adam: [I explain to Mike about Bally Alley and give him some links to look through to find out more about the idea of releasing the games. I ask Mike more about his company.] Mike: I started out with the Bally Basic cartridge (the original 300 baud model) and taught myself to program on it. I got fairly good very quickly and offered Fred Cornet of Cursor some program listings for his newsletters. At one point Fred suggested that I begin selling my programs and that he would place ads in his newsletter for me at no charge. It grew from there into a 20 game tape catalog with bonus games on each tape. I could fax you a copy of our 18 tape catalog if you like. I seem to have lost or disposed of much of our literature over the years since going out of business. WaveMakers had become a full time business supporting a 5 employee office and was still gearing up for continued growth when Astrocade pulled the plug on all of us going into Chapter 11. We had just received a 6 million dollar order from Wards for our entire line of games and were wondering how we were going to be able to fill it. Needless to say, we ended up with a big loss when Wards canceled the order waiting to see what Astrocade's next move would be. I still have the "2nd generation Master Tapes" used in production but I can't say what condition they are in. I'm not sure what your plans are to get the programming from tape onto a PC. Each of the tapes contained a copy code that would prevent copying the program once loaded into the Astrocade from being saved to a new tape. Sorry 'bout that. I thought it was quite ingenious at the time. Adam: [What about your] relationship with Bally (since your programs are in the BASIC manual I figure that there must be one)... Mike: George Moses helped set the type on the second [Astro BASIC] user manual and he was responsible for having my code listings included in the book. Have you actually played any of the WaveMaker games? My favorites were "Castle of Horror" and "Gate Escape." Selected Articles: Cornett, Fred. "Pack Rat [review]," CURSOR 3, no. 2 (May/June 1981): 23. Carson, Dave. "Gate Escape, The [review]," ARCADIAN 5, no. 12 (October 1983): 178 ----. "Collision Course [review]," ARCADIAN 6, no. 3 (January 1984): 28 ----. "Output 19 [review]," ARCADIAN 6, no. 11/12 (October 1984): 118-119 ----. "Who's Who Interview - Wavemakers," ARCADIAN 5, no. 1 (November 1982): 5 Peace, Mike. "Brick 'n the Wall," ARCADIAN, 4, no. 8 (June 1982): 77. ----. "Chicago Loop," CURSOR 1, no. 3 (March 1980): 21. ----. "Invasion Force," CURSOR, 3, no. 3 (July/August 1981): 28. ----. "Line Resequence," CURSOR, 2, no. 5 (January/February 1981): 89. ----. "Mazemaker," CURSOR 1, no. 6 (July 1980): 46. ----. "Music Keyboard for 2 Voice Music," ARCADIAN, 5, no. 4 (February 1983): 63. ----. "Music Keyboard, Correction," ARCADIAN, 5, no. 5 (March 1983): 77. ----. "New Two Voice Music," ARCADIAN, 5, no. 3 (January 1983): 53. ----. "Sound Effects!!!," CURSOR, 3, no. 3 (July/August 1981): 34. ----. "Sound Port Study," CURSOR, 3, no. 1 (April 1981): 11. Prosise, Michael. "Dungeons of Dracula [review]," ARCADIAN 5, no. 2 (December 1982): 38. ----. "Gate Escape, The [review]," ARCADIAN 5, no. 11 (September 1983): 165. Selected Advertisements: Wavemakers. "Castle of Horror," ARCADIAN 4, no. 5 (March 1982): 50. ----. "Castle of Horror," ARCADIAN 4, no. 12 (October 1982): 120. ----. "Lookout for the Bull!," CURSOR 3, no. 3 (July/August): 36. ----. "Lookout for the Bull!," ARCADIAN 4, no. 4 (January 1982): 41. ----. "Monkey Jump," ARCADIAN 4, no. 8 (November 1982): 84. -- February 1, 2002 ------=_NextPart_000_6dbb_61f7_78e2-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Feb 01 15:20:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 23:20:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 11191 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 23:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.212) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:20:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:20:50 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:20:50 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade freely distributable software update Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:20:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 23:20:50.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[161EF4F0:01C1AB77] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo As the conversations with George Moses and Mike Peace will show, there is more freely distributable software available for the Astrocade now. I'm going to list exactly what it all is, as soon as I get a handle on it all. For now, here's what happening. George Moses Co. - All software freely distributable Wavemakers - All software freely distributable New Image - All non-cartridge software freely distributable Arcadian Programs - All newsletter software freely distributable Brett Bilbrey Carts - All software freely distributable I'm actively looking for the copyright holders of: L&M Bit Fidders Astrocade If anyone has any leads, please contact me. Adam Trionfo _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Fri Feb 01 20:36:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 2 Feb 2002 04:36:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 31067 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 04:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2002 04:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.56) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 04:36:22 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.206]) by tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020202043622.YMMX9396.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:36:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5B6CB9.5060605@s...> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:36:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020104 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade freely distributable software update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian You are Awsome! My hat's off to you. And a hearty 'Thank You!' to all who released there software for us to enjoy! Looking forward to seeing these programs! From ward.shrake@w... Wed Feb 06 11:45:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Feb 2002 19:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 83725 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 19:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2002 19:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 19:45:57 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.167] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2002 19:45:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:45:52 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ward's Multicart FAQ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > I read the mutlti-cart FAQ through several revisions > and I can see how someone might not read it; Ward, > it's long-- people don't read anymore. If you make > the FAQ just three sentences long you will sell more > multicarts. Ah, maybe not. As the author of that FAQ, I'd have to say that I agree 100% that it is long... ridiculously, record-settingly long. That's self-evident, and I take no offense at the suggestion. I often worry that I "talk too freakin' much" in regards to this hobby in general, etc, etc. I also often think that reading comprehension, on the whole, sucks. And that many people are lazy, and will not work to obtain answers, no matter how much they openly profess a desire to have information. I am not speaking about this group, or even retro-gaming. I've met some school teachers that adamantly refuse to read anything longer than one page, no matter what it is about, all the while preaching the absolute importance of being able to read well. That's blatant hypocrisy. It's also off-topic, so I'll get back to the point... Back in August of 2001, I had no Multicart FAQ at all. I *was* doing the "three sentence explanation" type of thing, in e-mail. And people were telling me that was not enough information. It caused problems, or so people were telling me. They encouraged more communication. Each potential customer wanted me to answer -- for them personally -- some question or other that I thought sounded like a legitimate thing to wonder about. Some questions got asked a lot. So I wrote a short FAQ, way back when. I put it up publicly. I tried to point people to it, so I would not have to answer the same basic questions over and over in e-mail; I would rather spend the time working on the carts. As more questions came in, and were repeated, I answered those, too. To me the FAQ is a tool, and nothing more. My frustration is not the idea that people won't keep track of every single detail in it. I do not expect people to memorize the silly thing. But I hold myself to be completely blameless in the information dissemination process, as I took the time and trouble to build a menu-based, HTML-ized FAQ and posted it online. I have more than done my part, the way I see it? I really can't fathom the idea of someone asking me "what does it cost" when a menu-based FAQ, with that exact question on it, exists. Not days after they've put in a firm order, and picked their cart numbers? Not days after telling me to sell through them, as a dealer? My God, how hard is it to click on a FAQ link, scroll down to the one or two specific questions you have, and to click on that selection? I couldn't make it easier, if I could inject answers intravaneously?! My six year old nephew can turn on his family's IBM clone, put in a CD-ROM game, use the mouse to start it, and play it, all on his own. If someone actually wanted their questions answered, it's very easy. But it takes effort on their part, and that's where things break down. As much as anything, my long-winded Multicart FAQ was a personal test of sorts. I knew that nearly little or no communication on my part was not a good thing, if a person actually wanted answers to their questions. In that case, misunderstandings were clearly "my fault". But I had doubts that it would make any difference, no matter what I did. By writing a detailed, menu-driven, "state of the art" type HTML- ized FAQ, I figured I would completely eliminate any chance that I was not communicating clearly or enough or whatever. I would cease to be the fault of any communication problem, and therefore the blame for any remaining problem would have to fall elsewhere. In short, I would know, once and for all, if I could ever please some people. I now know that I was damned when I under-communicated, and I found out I'm equally damned when I over-communicated. I've proven that, if not 100% scientifically, then at least to my own satisfaction. Besides just being a nerd, why would I want to "test" such a theory? I've been mentally debating, for quite some time, whether or not I wanted to put up a web site that was just about the technical stuff I had done, regarding old computers and video games. Before I did that, I wanted to know if I would be wasting my time if I wrote things up with more than "three sentence" explanations. I have my answer now. If I do it at all, it'll be a no-frills, "see what I did, but not necessarily with enough details to duplicate what I did" type thing. I don't see that the extra effort to do the latter can be justified? C'est la vie. Life goes on. This isn't meant to be "sour grapes" or a whining session. I'm just trying to be practical. I'm trying to manage my time more wisely. Having written a "novel" length project FAQ once, that failed to do what it was intended to do, I will not be so easily tempted to do it again. On any subject. Why bother? There are dozens of things I could be doing with my time, all of them more enjoyable than endless typing. Playing games, for instance, or spending time with my other hobbies. Ward Shrake From douglas_t_lee@p... Wed Feb 06 12:24:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Feb 2002 20:24:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 64659 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 20:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2002 20:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 20:24:52 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.164] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2002 20:23:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:24:48 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ward's Multicart FAQ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1908 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Ward, You are right and you are wrong. The purpose of a good FAQ is to answer questions that frequently or could frequently be asked and to answer them well so as to serve a relatively large audience. Three sentences is what a manager wants to hear. A detailed technical explanation is what a "techie" prefers. While the FAQ goes a little beyond that, it is far better than three sentences. I don't understand why we are trying to be perfect in this endeavor. The FAQ is excellent. The problem that some people don't read it and other people read what they want to read is not the fault of it's author. We can't blame the FAQ for the fellow who asked about the price after everything after all of the details were worked out. Yes, we could all communicate better. However, I think the FAQ does that well, the fact that people can't read is not your fault. When I was in school they taught us how William Golding carefully and painstakingly crafted every symbolic meaning into Lord of the Flies. Then they taught us to speed read. They could not see how disrespectful it might be to an author who cares about character development or setting a mood. When I need to communicate with manager types who demand the details but don't read them, it is very frustrating. At work, we put together a list of project issues with hyperlinks to the details and the history of each along with a summary page. When a task was 100% complete, it changed color to "Green" on the summary page. The last time I met with him, it was clear he hadn't read anything, but it was equally clear that he noticed that the number of "Greens" had gone from two to three. If I didn't have the detail, it would have been a problem. However, all he really wanted was the colors. Thank goodness I had both. Just my (long-winded) opinion. Probably explains why I like the FAQ the way it is. From ward.shrake@w... Wed Feb 06 14:21:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 6 Feb 2002 22:21:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 85502 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 22:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2002 22:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.73) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 22:21:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.87] by n23.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2002 22:21:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:21:52 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ward's Multicart FAQ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1254 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "dtlee" wrote: > Ward, > > You are right and you are wrong. I won't debate that. I mostly agree with it, actually. [massive snippage] > Just my (long-winded) opinion. Probably explains why > I like the FAQ the way it is. I like your opinion. Thanks much for expressing it so well. However, I've been buckling under pressure from many sides in regards to the Multicart FAQ. As a result, as of today, it no longer exists. I deleted it from the web, and killed the "Timeline Text" or project diary with it. I posted a redirect in their places, pointing to a new web site that I have not fleshed out yet. At some future point -- on an "if and when I feel like making the time" basis -- I plan to take all of the old technical articles I have written over the years, and to put them all in one place. (The compulsive organizer in me likes that idea very much.) In time, I plan to add new stuff there as well. This does NOT mean the Multicart project itself is dead... just the Multicart FAQ. It never truly saved me from the hassles I was hoping it would, and at the same time, it had created new problems just by existing. It became more trouble than it was worth, so I killed it. Ward Shrake From komb@s... Wed Feb 06 16:03:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Feb 2002 00:03:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 36310 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 00:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 00:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.184) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 00:03:35 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.174]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020207000428.EPMO22207.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:04:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3C61C444.8080501@s...> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:03:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020104 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Ward's Multicart FAQ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian I can totally relate to the 'people not reading' side of things. I used to work in retail. (Computers) To help every one we had signs next to all the computers on display, with compleate spec. and price. I, and many of the staff would spend a large part of the time 'reading the detail sheet to the customers.'! Along with other helpfull gimmics the chain tried, I came to the conclusion that many (There were the odd cluefull ones) customers coulden't find what they were looking for if we put neon lights and blinking arrows around it! Now the ones who had other questions & conserns (Even ones that seemed silly to a pro) were much better. You could often educate them. Anyway, Sorry to hear you killed the FAQ. I did read it, though I may have forgotten a detail or two. Look forward to the new site. From ward.shrake@w... Wed Feb 06 18:27:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 02:27:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 93542 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 02:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 02:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.57) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 02:27:30 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.161] by n7.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2002 02:27:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 02:27:28 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ward's Multicart FAQ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C61C444.8080501@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5277 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Lance F. Squire" wrote: (snip) > I can totally relate to the 'people not reading' side of things. (snip) > Sorry to hear you killed the FAQ. In the long run, I didn't see any realistic choice. Many months ago, when everything was in the "idea but nothing to show for it yet" stages, people asked me many questions related to "how do you plan to make and sell these things to others?" Which sounds innocent enough. I thought about it. Quite a bit, actually. Then I told them how I planned to do it. Immediately, everyone was thrown for a loop. What they wanted to hear was "exactly the way Sean Kelly does his projects, or the way Chad Schell does his projects". What they got was some completely new beast, that sounded nothing like anyone else's projects. Naturally, they wanted to know why I'd be different? This is the root of the problem; one I now don't believe I can solve. I knew the answers, of course, but I thought it was going to end up becoming my own life story, with all sorts of embarrassing personal details, if I tried to answer those questions very literally. So I began just telling people to trust me. I said that there were lots of very good reasons for every single decision I had made. I said, in no uncertain terms, that I had no other choice. Most people refused to accept this. They insisted on knowing exactly why my project was going to be run so differently than any other homebrewer had ever run their projects. Some sounded rather angry. This is where the problem began to really get out of hand. I was put between a rock and a hard place. I had a choice of telling these people, "You are prying into my personal life, and none of it is any of your business" or trying to be nicer than that to them, even if it meant divulging potentially embarrassing personal facts. The bottomline is, and always was, that I do not have the same amount of disposable income that Sean Kelly has, or Chad Schell has. I'm a struggling actor who can barely pay his bills, let alone afford to toss hundreds of dollars into something that may or may not work out. No matter how many times I said that, or even gave examples to help people understand it, they kept treating me like I had the same exact set of resources that anyone else had, and I was just being difficult. Being a very private person in many ways, I wanted to protect my own privacy, and not bare my soul to the world, financially or otherwise. Screaming out "I'm as poor as a churchmouse" never sat well with me. I finally buckled under the continual pressure, and I did it anyway. My last whimper, before giving in, was to try to tell people to "take it or leave it". When I said that, I was immediately reprimanded by various parties, all of whom were implying I was being a huge jerk. I tried to answer these questions, rude and intrusive though they may have been. More and more details were added. At some point, the FAQ started to seem to me like it was growing into being a "tell all" tabloid about my personal life. Worse yet, I was the one writing it!? At some point, the whole thing was surreal. Long story short, I kept telling people "I just can't, and here is why I can't" whenever someone insisted that I run my own project differently. (Which was about every other day, actually, at best.) Well-meaning homebrewers read my FAQ, apparently missed all of the important bits, and kept asking me why I didn't spend nearly a grand on having some professional company created my PC boards for me. I'd tell them I could barely afford to buy a Pepsi. They just didn't get it, and no amount of effort on my part could make it any clearer. What I got at the end of all that, from most potential customers, was not an understanding answer like, "Oh, gee, now I see why you have to do things that way, Boy, you really don't have a choice" response. It was much more like, "Who gives a f**k? I don't want to hear about your personal problems? Just give me what I want, and be quick about it. Why are you wasting my time with all this irrelevant nonsense?" And that utter lack of human empathy, as I've often noted before in reference to various homebrew endeavors, dooms most homebrew projects. So, having figured out that I've done everything humanly possible to explain myself, to no avail, I find that I'm back to this now ... "Look at the product I am offering you; see what the label artwork looks like. Look at the list of games, and decide if there are enough cool games on the cart to make you want it. Here is the purchase price. Weigh that all for yourself. Then take it or leave it." I note now, as I noted months ago, that when you really look at the way other homebrewers have run their projects, that is what it boils down to. They show a picture of the cart, list the games, list the price, and that's it. You either decide to take it, or you leave it. As I said months ago, the only real difference is that I am saying it here openly, whereas they merely imply it. Same result, either way. > Look forward to the new site. Thanks! And I'm looking forward to doing it, now that I have a firm set of parameters in mind, for what to do... and what not to do! Ward Shrake From ward.shrake@w... Wed Feb 06 18:48:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 02:48:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 71073 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.160] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2002 02:47:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 02:48:18 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: I got my MULTICART!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.182 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "rich_gallo_66" wrote: > Just wanted to say that this is a fine piece > of craftmanship! I am very excited to receive > this item. I just recently got the Bally Arcade > and the only reason I did was because of the > availablilty of the multicart. As a classic > gamer, sure collecting is fun, but I want to > PLAY the games just as much. This is a great > way to jump right in head first into the Bally > world, and I must say for a system that is > from that early era in VG history, it is an > exciting piece of hardware. JOB WELL DONE! Thanks much, Rich. As the guy making these multicarts, I want to publicly say that I appreciate all the kind reviews I've received. Beyond that, though, I feel like it is "neat" to be able to give some retro-gamers the ability to see and appreciate this cool old stuff. And I'm thrilled to hear that people play with their carts! :-) Ward Shrake From ballyalley@h... Thu Feb 07 07:32:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 15:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 64120 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.184) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 15:32:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:32:43 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 15:32:43 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Nutting Manual - with diagrams Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:32:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 15:32:43.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF76DDB0:01C1AFEC] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I've completed the Nutting manual with all the diagrams. It's in Word format right now, so I'm not uploading it. I need to change it into a searchable PDF, then I'll let it loose here on the discussion group. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From ballyalley@h... Thu Feb 07 07:50:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 7 Feb 2002 15:50:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 59421 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.193) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:50:28 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 15:50:28 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Cross-platform development program ideas Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:50:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2002 15:50:28.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A378250:01C1AFEF] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Here are some ideas for cross-development programs for the Astrocade: 1) ASTROWAV -------- Cleanup a BASIC WAV file and convert it to hex. This has been discussed before. 2) B&W Picture Display ------------------- Convert a 160x100 B&W TIFF file into an array of hex numbers for display via cart. The Astrocade gets four pixels from each byte, so that means this data requires 4000 bytes of space. A B&W picture only uses half the data, but we could worry about that later when we display a four color picture (or eight color picture if the Left/Right color boundary is used to the artist's advantage). Mike White wrote a program for the multicart that writes data to the screen (it's the one that allows two BASIC carts), I've already used it to write B&W data (converted from an image on graph paper, by hand) to the screen. This would be fun to use. 3) DEC2HEX ------- Convert Astrocade BASIC machine language programs to a binary file that has all the data in normal Z80 readable order. I've already made a simple cludge C program that does this for myself. With refinement, this could make for a good developoment tool. 4) HEX2DEC ------- Convert regular Z80 code into Astrocade BASIC format's reverse notation. If ASTROWAV is created, then this program would allow short ML programs to be written and then loaded into AstroBASIC. Color games like Chicken could be written using cross-platform development tools already written. This has great potential. Comments? Questions? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From fmillera@p... Thu Feb 07 19:02:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 03:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 45269 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 03:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 03:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.240) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 03:02:29 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.242.179]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GR7003LB1S3IU@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:02:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:02:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Cross-platform development program ideas In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020207190032.00aa8408@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 07:50 AM 2/7/2002 -0800, you wrote: Folks; Forgive my software naivete, but why all the focus on BASIC, when there are REAL languages like C available, which I am sure someone has running on a Z80. Then one of our groups software gurus can get the various audio & video routines working. Is this completely off-the-wall? Cheers, Tony Miller >Here are some ideas for cross-development programs for the Astrocade: > >1) ASTROWAV > -------- > >Cleanup a BASIC WAV file and convert it to hex. This has been discussed >before. > >2) B&W Picture Display > ------------------- > >Convert a 160x100 B&W TIFF file into an array of hex numbers for display via >cart. The Astrocade gets four pixels from each byte, so that means this >data requires 4000 bytes of space. A B&W picture only uses half the data, >but we could worry about that later when we display a four color picture (or >eight color picture if the Left/Right color boundary is used to the artist's >advantage). Mike White wrote a program for the multicart that writes data >to the screen (it's the one that allows two BASIC carts), I've already used >it to write B&W data (converted from an image on graph paper, by hand) to >the screen. This would be fun to use. > >3) DEC2HEX > ------- > >Convert Astrocade BASIC machine language programs to a binary file that has >all the data in normal Z80 readable order. I've already made a simple >cludge C program that does this for myself. With refinement, this could >make for a good developoment tool. > >4) HEX2DEC > ------- > >Convert regular Z80 code into Astrocade BASIC format's reverse notation. If >ASTROWAV is created, then this program would allow short ML programs to be >written and then loaded into AstroBASIC. Color games like Chicken could be >written using cross-platform development tools already written. This has >great potential. > >Comments? Questions? > >Adam > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From komb@s... Thu Feb 07 19:48:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 03:48:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 18959 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.34) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 03:48:36 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.142]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020208034835.IFJP28735.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:48:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3C634A81.2010302@s...> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:48:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020205 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Cross-platform development program ideas References: <4.2.2.20020207190032.00aa8408@p...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Tony Miller wrote: > At 07:50 AM 2/7/2002 -0800, you wrote: > Folks; > > Forgive my software naivete, but why all the focus on BASIC, when there are > REAL languages like C available, which I am sure someone has running on a > Z80. Then one of our groups software gurus can get the various audio & > video routines working. > > Is this completely off-the-wall? > Personally, I can't see it. Though there are a number of Z80 small C implimentations. If someone wants to go that route... Me, I'll stick to assembly for the Z80. As for BASIC, Vertually every Bally/Astrocade comes with it. It has a usable data link. (Audio) Also, it's easy for a beginer to play with. No confusing compile-link-crash to sort out. Much easier error tracking! 'REAL' is a realitave term. C is'nt a 'REAL' language, it isn't Object Orented like C++ or Java! ;) Actually, Any language that works for you, is 'REAL' enough for me. Lance From komb@s... Thu Feb 07 20:11:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 04:11:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 25893 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 04:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 04:11:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.187) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 04:11:24 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.142]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020208041110.OGVD22396.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:11:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3C634FD9.7020505@s...> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 23:11:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020205 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Programming sample Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian I have just uploaded 'menutest.z80' to the files section. This is the first in a series of test programs I'll be doing as I learn the system, and prepare for the project I have planed. This one is a simple cart header and menu items. It shows the basics for starting a menued cart. Assemble using zmac and give the .bin file to a mess or Xmess emulator. It dosen't do much, but it does load. The sorce is tabed. My editor uses 8 space tabs. if you view the code with a 4 space tab, it'll look badly formated. Enjoy! Lance F. Squire From fmillera@p... Thu Feb 07 21:41:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 8 Feb 2002 05:41:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 56677 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 05:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2002 05:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 05:41:09 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.241.83]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GR700DCF94J77@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:41:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:41:04 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Cross-platform development program ideas In-reply-to: <3C634A81.2010302@s...> X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020207213846.00ab9b30@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1214886==_.ALT" References: <4.2.2.20020207190032.00aa8408@p...> From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_1214886==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:48 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Tony Miller wrote: > > At 07:50 AM 2/7/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > Folks; > > > > Forgive my software naivete, but why all the focus on BASIC, when there > are > > REAL languages like C available, which I am sure someone has running on a > > Z80. Then one of our groups software gurus can get the various audio & > > video routines working. > > > > Is this completely off-the-wall? > > > > >Personally, I can't see it. > > Though there are a number of Z80 small C implimentations. If someone >wants to go that route... > >Me, I'll stick to assembly for the Z80. > >As for BASIC, Vertually every Bally/Astrocade comes with it. It has a >usable data link. (Audio) Also, it's easy for a beginer to play with. >No confusing compile-link-crash to sort out. Much easier error tracking! And endless scraps of paper to keep track of the gosubs with! >'REAL' is a realitave term. C is'nt a 'REAL' language, it isn't Object >Orented like C++ or Java! ;) Object-oriented schmobject-oriented. C speaks very much like Verilog. Now there's a man's language, something you can make real hardware out of! >Actually, Any language that works for you, is 'REAL' enough for me. > >Lance > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_1214886==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 10:48 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Tony Miller wrote:
> At 07:50 AM 2/7/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> Folks;
>
> Forgive my software naivete, but why all the focus on BASIC, when there are
> REAL languages like C available, which I am sure someone has running on a
> Z80.  Then one of our groups software gurus can get the various audio &
> video routines working.
>
> Is this completely off-the-wall?
>


Personally, I can't see it.

  Though there are a number of Z80 small C implimentations. If someone
wants to go that route...

Me, I'll stick to assembly for the Z80.

As for BASIC, Vertually every Bally/Astrocade comes with it. It has a
usable data link. (Audio) Also, it's easy for a  beginer to play with.
No confusing compile-link-crash to sort out. Much easier error tracking!

And endless scraps of paper to keep track of the gosubs with!


'REAL' is a realitave term. C is'nt a 'REAL' language, it isn't Object
Orented like C++ or Java! ;)

Object-oriented schmobject-oriented.  C speaks very much like Verilog.  Now there's a man's language, something you can make real hardware out of!


Actually, Any language that works for you, is 'REAL' enough for me.

Lance





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--=====================_1214886==_.ALT-- From komb@s... Fri Feb 08 16:42:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 9 Feb 2002 00:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 27880 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 00:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2002 00:32:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 00:32:18 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.142]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020209003217.STUM9381.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:32:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3C646DFC.4090707@s...> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:31:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020205 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Cross-platform development program ideas References: <4.2.2.20020207190032.00aa8408@p...> <4.2.2.20020207213846.00ab9b30@p...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Tony Miller wrote: > At 10:48 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > And endless scraps of paper to keep track of the gosubs with! > > ??? Why? Never had to do that. Also, it 1800 bytes you can't get very deep! >> 'REAL' is a realitave term. C is'nt a 'REAL' language, it isn't Object >> Orented like C++ or Java! ;) > > > Object-oriented schmobject-oriented. (I was kidding...) > C speaks very much like Verilog. > Now there's a man's language, something you can make real hardware out of! > Never heard of that one... Must look it up. Lance From fmillera@p... Fri Feb 08 19:08:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 9 Feb 2002 03:08:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 18884 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 03:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2002 03:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 03:08:22 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.241.119]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GR8000LFWPVER@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:08:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:08:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Cross-platform development program ideas In-reply-to: <3C646DFC.4090707@s...> X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020208190651.00aa4070@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1339716==_.ALT" References: <4.2.2.20020207190032.00aa8408@p...> <4.2.2.20020207213846.00ab9b30@p...> From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_1339716==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:31 PM 2/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Tony Miller wrote: > > At 10:48 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > And endless scraps of paper to keep track of the gosubs with! > > > > > >??? Why? Never had to do that. > >Also, it 1800 bytes you can't get very deep! > > > >> 'REAL' is a realitave term. C is'nt a 'REAL' language, it isn't Object > >> Orented like C++ or Java! ;) > > > > > > Object-oriented schmobject-oriented. > >(I was kidding...) > > > C speaks very much like Verilog. > > Now there's a man's language, something you can make real hardware out of! > > > >Never heard of that one... Must look it up. Verilog is one of two Hardware Description Languages currently in use. About 75% of the ASICs designed today are designed using verilog and the various tools which support it. Cheers, Tony Miller >Lance > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_1339716==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:31 PM 2/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Tony Miller wrote:
> At 10:48 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
> And endless scraps of paper to keep track of the gosubs with!
>
>

??? Why? Never had to do that.

Also, it 1800 bytes you can't get very deep!


>> 'REAL' is a realitave term. C is'nt a 'REAL' language, it isn't Object
>> Orented like C++ or Java! ;)
>
>
> Object-oriented schmobject-oriented.

(I was kidding...)

>  C speaks very much like Verilog. 
> Now there's a man's language, something you can make real hardware out of!
>

Never heard of that one... Must look it up.

Verilog is one of two Hardware Description Languages currently in use.  About 75% of the ASICs designed today are designed using verilog and the various tools which support it.

Cheers,

Tony Miller


Lance


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--=====================_1339716==_.ALT-- From jwkrych@n... Fri Feb 08 20:01:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 9 Feb 2002 04:01:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 60738 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 04:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2002 04:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 04:01:17 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.114] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2002 04:01:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 04:01:14 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Some thoughts Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1900 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 24.50.231.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Hello everyone! I have some pretty serious questions. Many hardware related, but others in general. Here goes: 1.) Tony, are the custom chips, the video, limited to only the use of DRAM? Could a high-speed SRAM be substituted, with the correct circuitry? 2.) In regards to Verilog, which must be a better langaugle than VHDL, can we replicate the custom chips? 3.) I was given an example from a Zilog engineer-but no schematic. How would a 128K(I know that's darn inneficient) responding to the last 40K of the BPA be accessed? 4.) And to the rest too, how do we propose loading code into an expanded memory device? General questions, to all: 1.) Wouldn't a simple compiler be enough? With the grunt work being done by the PC, we are not constrained by the BPA's limits. And, with extra memory available, we could have fairly large programs compiled. 2.) What about this concept-a simple motherboard replacement, with some extra memory and a few features such as a way to load code into it, and sockets for the custom chips. This would be a "kit" that would need to be stuffed by the user. 3.) Which begs this-that costs money to get a PCB made up at a shop, and with start-up and tooling, how many want this? 4.) Do we want a better emulator? Obviously, a motherboard replacement would be a big labor of love-but one that can certainly be done. We can use a PIC for the keyboard interface, so we get the original and a PS/2 interface. SImilar to what was done years ago by adding a keyboard and it's matrix to the BPA. Having come to the conclusion that high-res WITHOUT major hacking is impossible on the BPA as it is designed, we can limit outselves to simpler hardware projects. Just remember, we can also "borrow" ideas from the TRS-80 community too. Tell me what you think! BTW, we received an "8" from Maximum PC for the Devastator, the February issue! Jim From fmillera@p... Sat Feb 09 11:50:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 9 Feb 2002 19:50:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 85610 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 19:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2002 19:50:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.240) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 19:50:15 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.240.206]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GRA000G973PJH@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:50:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Some thoughts In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020209114249.00a9b440@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_804917==_.ALT" From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_804917==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:01 AM 2/9/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hello everyone! > >I have some pretty serious questions. Many hardware related, but >others in general. Here goes: > >1.) Tony, are the custom chips, the video, limited to only the use of >DRAM? Could a high-speed SRAM be substituted, with the correct >circuitry? Yes >2.) In regards to Verilog, which must be a better langaugle than >VHDL, can we replicate the custom chips? Yes. Verilog is not necessarily a better language than VHDL (the other popular hardware description language, just more popular. >3.) I was given an example from a Zilog engineer-but no schematic. >How would a 128K(I know that's darn inneficient) responding to the >last 40K of the BPA be accessed? Simply by decoding the address just like any other address. The additional 64K on top of the Z80 address space could be mapped into Z80 addresses by using a page register (similar to the X86 segment kludge) to map portions of the extra 64 K into some smaller, but accessible to the Z80, chunks. >4.) And to the rest too, how do we propose loading code into an >expanded memory device? As I have proposed before, hook it up to a PC parallel port, with loader software. That way the code lives on the PC hard drive, and you lad whatever you want into this memory and run it. The Z80 assembler whatever would live on the PC also. >General questions, to all: > >1.) Wouldn't a simple compiler be enough? With the grunt work being >done by the PC, we are not constrained by the BPA's limits. And, with >extra memory available, we could have fairly large programs compiled. > >2.) What about this concept-a simple motherboard replacement, with >some extra memory and a few features such as a way to load code into >it, and sockets for the custom chips. This would be a "kit" that >would need to be stuffed by the user. > >3.) Which begs this-that costs money to get a PCB made up at a shop, >and with start-up and tooling, how many want this? > >4.) Do we want a better emulator? > >Obviously, a motherboard replacement would be a big labor of love-but >one that can certainly be done. We can use a PIC for the keyboard >interface, so we get the original and a PS/2 interface. SImilar to >what was done years ago by adding a keyboard and it's matrix to the >BPA. > >Having come to the conclusion that high-res WITHOUT major hacking is >impossible on the BPA as it is designed, we can limit outselves to >simpler hardware projects. Just remember, we can also "borrow" ideas >from the TRS-80 community too. > >Tell me what you think! BTW, we received an "8" from Maximum PC for >the Devastator, the February issue! > >Jim > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_804917==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 04:01 AM 2/9/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Hello everyone!

I have some pretty serious questions. Many hardware related, but
others in general. Here goes:

1.) Tony, are the custom chips, the video, limited to only the use of
DRAM? Could a high-speed SRAM be substituted, with the correct
circuitry?

Yes


2.) In regards to Verilog, which must be a better langaugle than
VHDL, can we replicate the custom chips?

Yes.  Verilog is not necessarily a better language than VHDL (the other popular hardware description language, just more popular.

3.) I was given an example from a Zilog engineer-but no schematic.
How would a 128K(I know that's darn inneficient) responding to the
last 40K of the BPA be accessed?


Simply by decoding the address just like any other address.  The additional 64K on top of the Z80 address space could be mapped into Z80 addresses by using a page register (similar to the X86 segment kludge) to map portions of the extra 64 K into some smaller, but accessible to the Z80, chunks.


4.) And to the rest too, how do we propose loading code into an
expanded memory device?


As I have proposed before, hook it up to a PC parallel port, with loader software.  That way the code lives on the PC hard drive, and you lad whatever you want into this memory and run it.  The Z80 assembler whatever would live on the PC also.


General questions, to all:

1.) Wouldn't a simple compiler be enough? With the grunt work being
done by the PC, we are not constrained by the BPA's limits. And, with
extra memory available, we could have fairly large programs compiled.

2.) What about this concept-a simple motherboard replacement, with
some extra memory and a few features such as a way to load code into
it, and sockets for the custom chips. This would be a "kit" that
would need to be stuffed by the user.

3.) Which begs this-that costs money to get a PCB made up at a shop,
and with start-up and tooling, how many want this?

4.) Do we want a better emulator?

Obviously, a motherboard replacement would be a big labor of love-but
one that can certainly be done. We can use a PIC for the keyboard
interface, so we get the original and a PS/2 interface. SImilar to
what was done years ago by adding a keyboard and it's matrix to the
BPA.

Having come to the conclusion that high-res WITHOUT major hacking is
impossible on the BPA as it is designed, we can limit outselves to
simpler hardware projects. Just remember, we can also "borrow" ideas
from the TRS-80 community too.

Tell me what you think! BTW, we received an "8" from Maximum PC for
the Devastator, the February issue!

Jim



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--=====================_804917==_.ALT-- From ballyalley@h... Tue Feb 12 15:30:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 23:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 64568 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 23:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 23:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.57) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 23:30:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:30:52 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:30:52 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Eight Astrocade files uploaded and notes to people Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:30:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 23:30:52.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FD7F990:01C1B41D] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo February 12, 2002 I've prepared and uploaded eight new files to the discussion group, plus notice the notes to people at the bottom of this message: I created two directories in the files section: 1. Manuals 2. Assembly Source Code Note the location of some of the new files. I'll also be shuffling some files around to make them easier to find soon. 1) ballyequ.h Version 2.2 - Fixes many problems, but some still lurk in there... 2) Astrocade_MESS_keyboard-1.2.txt Version 1.2 - Oops, the Astrocade does NOT have 30 keys... just a small error fix 3) nutting_manual_project_2-1.pdf Version 2.1 - This version is searchable, is about 500K, has ALL the diagrams, and is 172 pages - what more could you ask for? Okay, it still lacks all the ROM source... 4) emulation_overlay.jpg Version 1.0 - A full-page jpg of the Astrocade keypad overlay, but modified for use with the emulator. I can't use the Astrocade emulator without this (for typing, anyway). 5) multcart.asm (Assembly Source Code directory) Version 1.2 - Multcart 4x2 source code - Used on the Astrocade multicart. This version does not have any BASIC programs included, it is just a skeleton. Good knowledge here. 6) critterp.asm Version 1.1 - Critter source - From Peek n' Poke Manual 7) peek-n-poke-manual-1-2.PDF (Manuals directory) Version 1.1 - Searchable, pdf format - Good introduction to Astrocade programming 8) peek-n-poke-manual-1-2.rtf (Manuals directory) Version 1.1 - Same as above in Rich Text format Lance - Look over the Nutting manual, source and Peek n' Poke manual (I've made some changes to it). Try the new equated file. It works great for me. Glenn Saunders - Now that we have some tools to get code going, how about following up on any interested parties over on the Stella List? Hardware People - I keep getting email from non-discussion group folks asking for PS fixes. Can an easy solution be found. Is there anyone that HAS fixed or uses an alternative PS? Software People - Lance and I are working on ML programs to run from cart. Now that the Astrocade header file is getting tidy, it makes programming easier, and now I can understand the ROM manual and use easier as an example. Those folks at DNA really had this worked out; the Astrocade's ROM sure isn't a hack. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Tue Feb 12 15:35:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 12 Feb 2002 23:35:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 77835 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 23:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2002 23:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.62) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 23:35:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:35:38 -0800 Received: from 66.67.88.61 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:35:37 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Six dead Astrocades Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:35:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 23:35:38.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9DB3AB0:01C1B41D] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [66.67.88.61] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo This is a prime example of someone with dead Astrocades. Can anyone help this person out? Adam Hi Adam: Thank you for responding to my request. I have 6 ARCADES that don't work, two of them start up and then blank out after 5-10 minutes 3 of them power up but get no graphics and one is completely dead (I think). Any help from anyone would be really really appreciated. Take good care. Rick..... ----- Original Message ----- February 12, 2002 Rick, There is no place that fixes the Astrocade. There is a PDF guide on ballyalley.com that will help, but you need hardware knowledge (I'm lacking there). What is wrong with your Astrocade? Even if you think it's toast, don't junk it- there are people on the Astrocade discussion board that can use the parts. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From komb@s... Tue Feb 12 18:08:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 13 Feb 2002 02:08:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 48242 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 02:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2002 02:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 02:08:57 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.141]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020213020857.VXGP12383.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:08:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3C69CAA3.2020607@s...> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:08:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020205 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Eight Astrocade files uploaded and notes to people References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > February 12, 2002 > Those folks at DNA really had this worked out; the Astrocade's ROM > sure isn't a hack. > > Adam > No, It's quite Sweet actually! :) Lance From gary@3... Sun Feb 17 17:57:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gary@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 18 Feb 2002 01:57:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 96236 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 01:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2002 01:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc54.attbi.com) (216.148.227.87) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 01:53:28 -0000 Received: from Ggordon ([12.248.146.140]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020218015328.NPKV1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@G...> for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:53:28 +0000 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Working Astrocades Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:55:21 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c1b81f$54a6d080$0400a8c0@G...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1B7ED.0A0F6DC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-From: "Gary" From: "Gary" Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=40876233 X-Yahoo-Profile: oaohy ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1B7ED.0A0F6DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Getting caught up on some email. A working Astrocade. Still going strong since 1978... Multicart #10. Ward sent it to me in time for Christmas! -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:36 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] Working Astrocades How many people have Astrocades that DO work? I have three, and none of them are working right. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1B7ED.0A0F6DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Getting caught up on some email.
 
A working Astrocade. = Still=20 going strong since 1978...
 
Multicart #10.&= nbsp;=20 Ward sent it to me in time for Christmas!
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From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 200= 2=20 4:36 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [ballyalley] Working Astrocades

How many people h= ave=20 Astrocades that DO work?  I have three, and none of
them are wor= king=20 right.

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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1B7ED.0A0F6DC0-- From glitch@m... Mon Feb 18 09:21:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: glitch@m... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 18 Feb 2002 17:21:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 17304 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 17:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2002 17:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 17:21:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.113] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2002 17:21:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:21:02 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Working Astrocades Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c1b81f$54a6d080$0400a8c0@G...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "mvknapp" X-Originating-IP: 65.27.253.241 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47074252 X-Yahoo-Profile: mvknapp I still have my original Bally from 1978 also. I had to replace the PSU last year (thanks, Charles Taylor for getting me one). Even my Blue Ram still works although I'm trying to figure out how to upgrade it since it's one of the original 4k kits. Anybody know if I have to do anything special other than adding more RAM? I received my multicart from Ward a little over a month ago and me and my kids have been playing it ever since. If I had known how good muncher was I would have bought it "back in the day". Thanks Ward. It's a great piece of work. I definatly hope you stay with them. -Matt --- In ballyalley@y..., "Gary" wrote: > Getting caught up on some email. > > A working Astrocade. Still going strong since 1978... > > Multicart #10. Ward sent it to me in time for Christmas! > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:36 PM > To: ballyalley@y... > Subject: [ballyalley] Working Astrocades > > > How many people have Astrocades that DO work? I have three, and none of > them are working right. > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From tfr2@a... Tue Feb 19 06:29:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tfr2@a... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 19 Feb 2002 14:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 28839 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2002 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 14:29:32 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.120] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2002 14:29:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:29:31 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Working Astrocades Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 318 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tfrevor" X-Originating-IP: 144.162.138.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92196736 X-Yahoo-Profile: tfrevor I have s semi-working one. It appears to work fine, except the output is all "wonky" (sort of like a television that is out of alignment). I believe that the problem may be in the RF unit, but since my knowledge of electronics is pretty much limited to changing batteries, I'm not sure. Any help or suggestions? From kzazz007@y... Tue Feb 19 06:49:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: kzazz007@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 19 Feb 2002 14:49:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 70603 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 14:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2002 14:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13605.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.175.116) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 14:49:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20020219144943.74544.qmail@w...> Received: from [209.246.92.243] by web13605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:49:43 PST Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:49:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Working Astrocades To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kevin Zazzera X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85723818 X-Yahoo-Profile: kzazz007 I have 2 working astrocades: my original from 1978 and one that I purchased on e-bay last fall. Both are in good working condition and I am looking forward to purchasing one of Ward's multicarts. --- mvknapp wrote: > I still have my original Bally from 1978 also. I > had to replace the > PSU last year (thanks, Charles Taylor for getting me > one). Even my > Blue Ram still works although I'm trying to figure > out how to upgrade > it since it's one of the original 4k kits. Anybody > know if I have to > do anything special other than adding more RAM? > > I received my multicart from Ward a little over a > month ago and me > and my kids have been playing it ever since. If I > had known how good > muncher was I would have bought it "back in the > day". Thanks Ward. > It's a great piece of work. I definatly hope you > stay with them. > > -Matt > > --- In ballyalley@y..., "Gary" wrote: > > Getting caught up on some email. > > > > A working Astrocade. Still going strong since > 1978... > > > > Multicart #10. Ward sent it to me in time for > Christmas! > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:36 PM > > To: ballyalley@y... > > Subject: [ballyalley] Working Astrocades > > > > > > How many people have Astrocades that DO work? I > have three, and > none of > > them are working right. > > > > Adam > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com > lately? > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > ballyalley-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From lasrtt@g... Tue Feb 19 12:14:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 19 Feb 2002 20:14:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 43253 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 20:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2002 20:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 20:14:11 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GRSQVL03.6T3 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:14:09 -0900 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.126.215]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GRSQVJ01.92K for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:14:07 -0900 Message-ID: <001e01a8ea4a$642bf500$b89afea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Working Astrocades Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 00:25:34 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01A8E9FE.F38283A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01A8E9FE.F38283A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: No sugesstions but if you find someone who will fix or even try please ema= il me at lasrtt@g... Thank you very much. Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tfrevor=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 5:29 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Re: Working Astrocades I have s semi-working one. It appears to work fine, except the output=20 is all "wonky" (sort of like a television that is out of alignment). I believe that the problem may be in the RF unit, but since my=20 knowledge of electronics is pretty much limited to changing=20 batteries, I'm not sure. Any help or suggestions? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01A8E9FE.F38283A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01A8E9FE.F38283A0-- From ward.shrake@w... Wed Feb 20 13:02:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 21:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 21136 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 21:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 21:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 21:02:34 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.134] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2002 21:02:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:02:24 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Working Astrocades Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c1b81f$54a6d080$0400a8c0@G...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2455 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.68.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Gary" wrote: > Getting caught up on some email. > > A working Astrocade. Still going strong since 1978... > > Multicart #10. Ward sent it to me in time for Christmas! Those pictures and AVI videos that Gary put online, put a big smile on my face, yesterday. I was soldering up the latest batch of carts, took a 'net break, saw the stuff he linked to, and went happily back to soldering. A day later, I'm still smiling about seeing that stuff. It even kept me from searching for a blowtorch last night, to kill one of the finished carts that failed to work, when it became obvious that I'd have to strip most of the just-installed parts back off the board to fix the bug. I even resisted the urge to run the cart over repeatedly with my truck, and just set it aside to finish off today. Seriously, I just thought it was neat to see so many miniature humans all huddled around a big screen TV, playing some obscure games about two or three times older than the kids themselves. And seeing their attention firmly focused on the screen, like they were all into it. Knowing how hard it is to hold a kid's attention for long, I think that's pretty cool in itself. Bravo to the various fine folks that made the Bally / Astrocade console itself, and the fine folks writing software for the system back in the day. They did a heck of a good job. I'm glad that we ancient collector types aren't the only people still interested in this system? It's good to see kids still like it. I'm curious about something... how many of you have or know kids that play games on your (presumably working) Bally system? My own nephews have played on mine, a time or three. I know Adam's boy plays Bally games. Gary's young relatives obviously do. Any other kids out there, that think the system has some cool games... not just humoring we old guys who like strange archaic hardware, but that really enjoy playing? What Bally games do kids like playing, in your experience? My little nephew Brandon thinks that "Space Fortress" really kicks butt. He played that for a long time, last time he was over here. Was laughing out loud quite a bit, actually, whenever the full-screen "you died" explosion happened. The game seemed to be balanced just right for his age group's short attention span, even though it gets repetitive and perhaps seems overly simplistic for some of us older, jaded types? Ward Shrake From ward.shrake@w... Wed Feb 20 14:28:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 22:28:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 85750 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 22:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 22:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.82) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 22:28:19 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.120] by n32.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2002 22:28:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:28:18 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Working Astrocades Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020219144943.74544.qmail@w...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 8309 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.165 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., Kevin Zazzera wrote: > I have 2 working astrocades: my original from 1978 and > one that I purchased on e-bay last fall. Both are in > good working condition and I am looking forward to > purchasing one of Ward's multicarts. I don't want to push too much, but now is a good time if you have the money available? I made extras during this last batch, so I have a few that are either already completed or are close to it. (Besides the three that were ordered during the last batch, right now there is one multicart completed and tested, and three more almost finished.) I do plan to keep making these, for the forseeable future. I plan to make the circuit boards in small batches of a dozen or so at a time. I may or may not assemble the boards in advance, but with the boards themselves made up, that's half the battle done with. (And it does feel like one, from time to time. These each take up between eight and twelve hours of my time, since they are all 100% made by hand.) I finally got around to making myself a multicart. Believe it or not, up until now, I didn't have one for myself. (About time, Ward!) The advantage to the old system is that the customer's carts got a nice burn-in test, as I played games on their multicarts before I shipped them out. (I even have "10110100" memorized -- Wizard's DIP setting.) For you ultra hardcore collector / historically-inclined types, who may wonder later about how many of these there are, what if any things are different on each hand-made cart, and so forth... These are all hand-numbered, but I let people pick whatever number they wanted, at their whim. Surprisingly, most people did not take the next number available in the series. Most picked a number farther down the line, because it was somehow special to them. Right now one cart is in a collectors hands, officially labeled as "#69" despite the fact that only 29 exist. (Even counting the half-finished ones.) You can thank Chris Neiman for that idea; he was one of the first to order, but specifically requested number "7" instead of a lower one. He was one of the first to keep bugging me -- err, encouraged me -- to make these multicarts in the first place, so I happily complied. Because I knew some hardcore collectors would hate me for that sort of "sacrilege" (and because I'm addicted to making lists), I kept an accurate accounting of shipping dates and "batch numbers". This will help me to remember what carts were actually made first, etc, if that ever becomes an issue? I've also tracked who owns each cart, from day one. ("Cubicolor" on the Atari was a limited run, but some of those tracking its history still argue over how many were made, etc.) On my own lists, I also track what version of the software each person has. This is mostly intended for future upgrading purposes. For what it is worth, you may want to know that I included an Easter Egg (of a vague sort) in most of the recent carts. Because none of them are 100% filled with programs, there is going to inevitably be some blank space included on each EPROM. The first version or two just had blank spaces; ASCII zeroes or some such thing. At some point I decided to go ballistic and/or be silly. I typed up a 256-byte file that tells me what software version it is, what multicart it is for (since I'm making them for the Bally and the Emerson now, and maybe others at a later date), and so on. Then it has some silly message saying that a person must really be bored, to be reading that text. The most recent carts include one short program, at the very top of the memory map. This duplicates an existing program, elsewhere on the EPROM. This is not a mistake. It helps me to quickly see if a cart is working properly or not, when I'm testing it, after it is assembled. I can see if the "all zeroes" DIP setting works, and the "all ones" setting, before going on to test the individual switches. This isn't really as important on the Bally multicart, but the Emerson cart has a small daughterboard with the actual DIP switches on it, that is attached with a ribbon cable. I can assemble the main board alone, and see if it is working, thanks to having a program at "all ones". For what it is worth, I never actually made a multicart prototype for the Bally system. After I designed the Emerson multicart prototype, and saw that it did work as planned, I just drew up the final circuit design for the Bally multicart, and started etching boards. I took it on faith that it would also work, since the concepts were the same. My Bally circuit design included an 7432 "OR" chip to allow more efficient memory use. That wasn't tested in advance, but it did work as it was originally drawn up, when I later got around to including it via some wire jumpers. I ignored it at first, during the first assembly to be shown in public, but that provision was etched onto every board. The Emerson circuit has no existing circuit like that, but there are provisions etched onto the board to wire one in later, if enough programs are ever discovered that I need the extra memory. I originally etched four Bally boards, in a last-minute rush before CGE 2001. The first Bally multicart PC board to be assembled was shown at CGE 2001, primarily during the SC3 meeting on Friday. (It ended up in Jamie Fenton's hands thanks to the generosity of various folks on this message board who donated towards its cost.) I retro- fitted the more efficient memory usage into it, after CGE was over. The other three boards that were etched first, were assembled after CGE. Adam Trionfo and Mike White got two of the three. I put a socket on the fourth one, to use it for an in-house new-EPROM testing cart. Bally multicarts #1 and #2 have "CGE" etched onto the boards; Jamie's and Mike's carts, respectively. I etched Adam's name and #3 onto his. I realize some collectors will want to string me up for this, but I could not resist numbering my own in-house test cart as "#0". (As any digitally-savvy person can tell you, zero is binary's first number.) The very first carts had their numbers etched onto the boards, like the surrounding circuitry. Later ones had their numbers ground into the bare copper by hand. The latest ones have their numbers written onto the boards with a Sharpie marker. There are enough differences in the actual circuit board designs to insure that no one will be able to successfully take a later model board, and renumber it lower. I am thinking about adding another level of security to these later ones, by clear-coating the number over, and putting a thumbprint over it. So far I have not done that, but I'm considering it for later on. There have been a few minor internal changes, since the first ones were made, but the carts all operate the same. The biggest change a person might notice, from the outside, is in the plastic cases I'm using. The first three batches, if I remember correctly, all went out using real Bally cart cases; I removed the original circuit board and removed the existing label, and re-used the case itself. You can tell these early carts from the later models, because they have both a top and a bottom label. The new style cases I'm using -- because they are easily available, and the others are almost impossible to obtain -- have no flat area meant for a bottom label, so they only have a label on the upper side. I redesigned the label a little bit, when I made the change-over to this case style, but it looks basically the same. (Mike White has newly molded case halves, left over from one of the third-party software manufacturers. Those are the ones I'm using now.) All of the cases are black; none were grey or other colors. I realize that only a few hardcore collectors will care about keeping track of information like this. (Apologies to those that wonder why I am rambling on about all this?!) I'd rather write it all down now, in a place where it will be relatively safely recorded, than to try to recall all of this years from now, if and when someone tries to do research on my multicart efforts. This has the advantage of being right from the horse's mouth, while it is still fresh in my memory. Ward Shrake From douglas_t_lee@p... Thu Feb 21 07:10:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 21 Feb 2002 15:10:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 84723 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 15:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2002 15:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 15:10:14 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.143] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2002 15:10:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:09:57 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Working Astrocades Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1400 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee I've had at least one Astrocade hooked up and working in my house for the past 20 years (as long as I've lived here). I am pretty sure that I have probably two or three working ones out of the four or five or six (yes I've lost count) that I have. One retains its position as the only game permanently hooked up to the main TV in the house. We still use every couple of months. My two daughters (age 15 and 11) played their first video games on that machine. They have since gone through Sega, Gameboy, and Playstation as well. Their favorites have changed through the years, but they have liked Artillery Duel, Wizard, and Amazing Maze the most. Space Fortress is also well-liked. For some reason, they aren't too interested in Muncher (aka PacMan). For years, I tried to get someone to play Soccer with me and no one would (It is definitely not a one-player game). I really think that is one of the more creative implementations of the game and it allows four players. Last week, my younger one (who plays soccer) said "I didn't know you had a Soccer game. Can we play it some time?" Since her best soccer buddy slept over last night, I may try to force them to play soccer against me later on today. Perhaps if I let them win, they will like the game (look--I am already making excuses for losing). I will post if I get any positive feedback from them. Doug From ballyalley@h... Thu Feb 21 17:32:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 22 Feb 2002 01:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 56935 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2002 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.198) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 01:32:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:32:19 -0800 Received: from 24.164.182.68 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:32:19 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: On Soccer Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:32:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2002 01:32:19.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4E55730:01C1BB40] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.182.68] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Soccer is an oddball. I didn't like it at first until someone ELSE was playing it and they said it seemed to be one of the best carts in the Bally's library. I didn't believe it then, but then I started playing against this fellow, and wouldn't you know it- it's true. I would have had more fun if I had won though... One of the things about the Astrocade that is/was touted as a plus always seemed to me to be a minus in some ways. I'm talking about all the ways you can configure a game. It just makes the game too different, and how can you compare scores? But Soccer, once I had it pointed out to me, does use all the options to good affect. Adam >> I've had at least one Astrocade hooked up and working in my house for the past 20 years (as long as I've lived here). I am pretty sure that I have probably two or three working ones out of the four or five or six (yes I've lost count) that I have. One retains its position as the only game permanently hooked up to the main TV in the house. We still use every couple of months. My two daughters (age 15 and 11) played their first video games on that machine. They have since gone through Sega, Gameboy, and Playstation as well. Their favorites have changed through the years, but they have liked Artillery Duel, Wizard, and Amazing Maze the most. Space Fortress is also well-liked. For some reason, they aren't too interested in Muncher (aka PacMan). For years, I tried to get someone to play Soccer with me and no one would (It is definitely not a one-player game). I really think that is one of the more creative implementations of the game and it allows four players. Last week, my younger one (who plays soccer) said "I didn't know you had a Soccer game. Can we play it some time?" Since her best soccer buddy slept over last night, I may try to force them to play soccer against me later on today. Perhaps if I let them win, they will like the game (look--I am already making excuses for losing). I will post if I get any positive feedback from them. Doug >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From d_wiggins@y... Fri Feb 22 23:52:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: d_wiggins@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Feb 2002 07:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 86575 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 07:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2002 07:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10006.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.130.42) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 07:52:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020223075225.57284.qmail@w...> Received: from [129.212.84.97] by web10006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:52:25 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:52:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Working Astrocades To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-434835847-1014450745=:56425" From: David Wiggins X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91720960 X-Yahoo-Profile: d_wiggins --0-434835847-1014450745=:56425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My kids have been playing daily since we recved the cart. (Thanks again, Ward. Great stuff!!!) Both like Wizard, of course who wouldn't, but they've been playing several of the others regularly too. Retro is in...... Can't think of the names off hand. Galaxia?? Something like that. The centipede look alike, and several others. commie_fan wrote: --- In ballyalley@y..., "Gary" wrote: > Getting caught up on some email. > > A working Astrocade. Still going strong since 1978... > > Multicart #10. Ward sent it to me in time for Christmas! Those pictures and AVI videos that Gary put online, put a big smile on my face, yesterday. I was soldering up the latest batch of carts, took a 'net break, saw the stuff he linked to, and went happily back to soldering. A day later, I'm still smiling about seeing that stuff. It even kept me from searching for a blowtorch last night, to kill one of the finished carts that failed to work, when it became obvious that I'd have to strip most of the just-installed parts back off the board to fix the bug. I even resisted the urge to run the cart over repeatedly with my truck, and just set it aside to finish off today. Seriously, I just thought it was neat to see so many miniature humans all huddled around a big screen TV, playing some obscure games about two or three times older than the kids themselves. And seeing their attention firmly focused on the screen, like they were all into it. Knowing how hard it is to hold a kid's attention for long, I think that's pretty cool in itself. Bravo to the various fine folks that made the Bally / Astrocade console itself, and the fine folks writing software for the system back in the day. They did a heck of a good job. I'm glad that we ancient collector types aren't the only people still interested in this system? It's good to see kids still like it. I'm curious about something... how many of you have or know kids that play games on your (presumably working) Bally system? My own nephews have played on mine, a time or three. I know Adam's boy plays Bally games. Gary's young relatives obviously do. Any other kids out there, that think the system has some cool games... not just humoring we old guys who like strange archaic hardware, but that really enjoy playing? What Bally games do kids like playing, in your experience? My little nephew Brandon thinks that "Space Fortress" really kicks butt. He played that for a long time, last time he was over here. Was laughing out loud quite a bit, actually, whenever the full-screen "you died" explosion happened. The game seemed to be balanced just right for his age group's short attention span, even though it gets repetitive and perhaps seems overly simplistic for some of us older, jaded types? Ward Shrake Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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My kids have been playing daily since we recved the cart.   (Thanks again, Ward.  Great stuff!!!)  Both like Wizard, of course who wouldn't, but they've been playing several of the others regularly too.  Retro is in......

 

Can't think of the names off hand.  Galaxia??  Something like that.   The centipede look alike, and several others.

  commie_fan <ward.shrake@w...> wrote:

--- In ballyalley@y..., "Gary" <gary@3...> wrote:
> Getting caught up on some email.
>
> A working Astrocade.  Still going strong since 1978...
>
> Multicart #10.  Ward sent it to me in time for Christmas!

Those pictures and AVI videos that Gary put online, put a big smile
on my face, yesterday. I was soldering up the latest batch of carts,
took a 'net break, saw the stuff he linked to, and went happily back
to soldering. A day later, I'm still smiling about seeing that stuff.

It even kept me from searching for a blowtorch last night, to kill
one of the finished carts that failed to work, when it became obvious
that I'd have to strip most of the just-installed parts back off the
board to fix the bug. I even resisted the urge to run the cart over
repeatedly with my truck, and just set it aside to finish off today.

Seriously, I just thought it was neat to see so many miniature humans
all huddled around a big screen TV, playing some obscure games about
two or three times older than the kids themselves. And seeing their
attention firmly focused on the screen, like they were all into it. 
Knowing how hard it is to hold a kid's attention for long, I think
that's pretty cool in itself. Bravo to the various fine folks that
made the Bally / Astrocade console itself, and the fine folks writing
software for the system back in the day. They did a heck of a good
job. I'm glad that we ancient collector types aren't the only people
still interested in this system? It's good to see kids still like it.

I'm curious about something... how many of you have or know kids that
play games on your (presumably working) Bally system? My own nephews
have played on mine, a time or three. I know Adam's boy plays Bally
games. Gary's young relatives obviously do. Any other kids out there,
that think the system has some cool games... not just humoring we old
guys who like strange archaic hardware, but that really enjoy playing?

What Bally games do kids like playing, in your experience? My little
nephew Brandon thinks that "Space Fortress" really kicks butt. He
played that for a long time, last time he was over here. Was laughing
out loud quite a bit, actually, whenever the full-screen "you died"
explosion happened. The game seemed to be balanced just right for his
age group's short attention span, even though it gets repetitive and
perhaps seems overly simplistic for some of us older, jaded types?

Ward Shrake



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Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games --0-434835847-1014450745=:56425-- From ward.shrake@w... Mon Feb 25 15:38:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 25 Feb 2002 23:38:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 51136 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 23:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2002 23:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 23:38:24 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.149] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2002 23:37:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:38:21 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Working Astrocades Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1204 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.251 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "dtlee" wrote: (snip) > For years, I tried to get someone to play Soccer with me and no one > would (It is definitely not a one-player game.) I talked to Mike White on the phone over the weekend, and promised him that I'd post this info for him, publicly... There are two versions of Soccer. One was never finished by the original programmer, the other was finished by a fan of the system. Depending on who you got your copy of Soccer from, and when they sold it to you, it is possible that some people have the older, unfinished version. The newer one has an option to play against the computer; the earlier one does not. Mike says that if you bought one of the old ones directly from him, he'll be happy to upgrade it to the newer one for you. If you bought it from another source, or do not have one at all but want one, he'd be happy to sell you one of his reasonably priced home-assembled Soccer carts. (Or he can make people up just about any other single cart, for that matter.) See Mike's catalog on Adam Trionfo's "Bally Alley" web site, under "ads and catalogs" for more info. http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/ Ward Shrake From jwkrych@n... Wed Feb 27 21:36:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 05:36:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 84693 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 03:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 03:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 03:26:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.47] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 03:26:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 03:26:20 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: 32K SRAM memory project Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1202 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 24.50.231.109 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Hi All! I think that I have what I need to get a simple 3-chip 32K x 8 SRAM expansion memory for the BPA. It uses a 32k x 8 SRAM, a 74HCT138 3-8 decoder and a 74HCT32 quad 2-input OR. It will decode out at 6&7, 8&9,A&B, and C&D, so from H6000 to HDFFF Tony, since I am using ALL CMOS parts, will I be okay if I take juice from the BPA? Also, the info I am "borrowing" from mentions that the /refresh pin gates the '138, since SRAM does not need refreshing, and this is said to lower the average power requirements. Tony, I can send you this GIF I got to better explain. Thankfully, I live close to Mike White, and he can help test this. Also, guys it looks like there will be a CCAG 2002! It is tentatively scheduled for the 24 and 25th of May 2002, in Garfield Heights Ohio. This is down and dirty, since there is no way to load memory into except via a multicart that has an expanded memory program, or through a special loader via AstroBASIC. You know, if we settle on a design, hint Tony and others. We CAN produce a newer BPA motherboard with quite a few enhancements, and still save a bundle-since the custom chips are all socketed, and the Z80 is quite well available. Jim From ballyalley@h... Thu Feb 28 12:22:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 20:22:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 78090 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 20:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 20:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.113) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 20:22:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:22:28 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:22:28 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 32K SRAM memory project Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:22:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2002 20:22:28.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[A463F980:01C1C095] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I think that I have what I need to get a simple 3-chip 32K x 8 SRAM expansion memory for the BPA. It uses a 32k x 8 SRAM, a 74HCT138 3-8 decoder and a 74HCT32 quad 2-input OR. It will decode out at 6&7, 8&9,A&B, and C&D, so from H6000 to HDFFF >> I wish I knew what this meant-- but it sounds nice. I understand the 32K part, and then, WHAM, the rest is over my head. >> Thankfully, I live close to Mike White, and he can help test this. >> I also can lend testing services. Also, Jim, if it will help, I can lend you my 16K Viper 1 and/or 16K Blue Ram. >> This is down and dirty, since there is no way to load memory into except via a multicart that has an expanded memory program, or through a special loader via AstroBASIC. >> This means the 32K expansion can't easily be used as a testing device. Large programs could be loaded in segments via the 2000 baud BASIC cart, but this would be clumsy and would go something like this: Will an 8K segment of the 32K area be able to run from the cartridge area (as with the Blue Ram)? If not, then this 32K expansion is only useful for running already written programs. Taking power from the Bally-- do you have to? I can just picture my poor Astrocade frowning about that right now. It comes down to this: a 32K expansion, with or without support for cartridge selection is needed, even if only to try programs on the multicart... >> You know, if we settle on a design [... w]e CAN produce a newer BPA motherboard with quite a few enhancements, and still save a bundle-since the custom chips are all socketed, and the Z80 is quite well available. >> I've been thinking about this motherboard swapping/replacment idea. It's growing on me. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From lasrtt@g... Thu Feb 28 12:48:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 20:48:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 79439 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 20:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 20:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 20:48:15 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GS9GGD00.3YP for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:48:13 -0900 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.121.3]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GS9GGA03.838 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:48:10 -0900 Message-ID: <000d01c1c099$1b1b7c80$ac32fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 32K SRAM memory project Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:47:06 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C04D.A5D50360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C04D.A5D50360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What?????????? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 32K SRAM memory project >> I think that I have what I need to get a simple 3-chip 32K x 8 SRAM expansion memory for the BPA. It uses a 32k x 8 SRAM, a 74HCT138 3-8 decoder and a 74HCT32 quad 2-input OR. It will decode out at 6&7, 8&9,A&B, and C&D, so from H6000 to HDFFF >> I wish I knew what this meant-- but it sounds nice. I understand the 32K= =20 part, and then, WHAM, the rest is over my head. >> Thankfully, I live close to Mike White, and he can help test this. >> I also can lend testing services. Also, Jim, if it will help, I can lend= =20 you my 16K Viper 1 and/or 16K Blue Ram. >> This is down and dirty, since there is no way to load memory into except = via=20 a multicart that has an expanded memory program, or through a special loa= der=20 via AstroBASIC. >> This means the 32K expansion can't easily be used as a testing device. = =20 Large programs could be loaded in segments via the 2000 baud BASIC cart, = but=20 this would be clumsy and would go something like this: Will an 8K segment of the 32K area be able to run from the cartridge area= =20 (as with the Blue Ram)? If not, then this 32K expansion is only useful f= or=20 running already written programs. Taking power from the Bally-- do you have to? I can just picture my poor= =20 Astrocade frowning about that right now. It comes down to this: a 32K expansion, with or without support for=20 cartridge selection is needed, even if only to try programs on the=20 multicart... >> You know, if we settle on a design [... w]e CAN produce a newer BPA=20 motherboard with quite a few enhancements, and still save a bundle-since = the=20 custom chips are all socketed, and the Z80 is quite well available. >> I've been thinking about this motherboard swapping/replacment idea. It's= =20 growing on me. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= p. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C04D.A5D50360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What??????????
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 = Adam=20 Trionfo
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 = 11:22=20 AM
Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 32K SRAM= memory=20 project

>>
I think that I have what I need to get a s= imple=20 3-chip 32K x 8 SRAM
expansion memory for the BPA. It uses a 32k x 8 SR= AM, a=20 74HCT138 3-8
decoder and a 74HCT32 quad 2-input OR. It will decode out= at=20 6&7,
8&9,A&B, and C&D, so from H6000 to=20 HDFFF
>>

I wish I knew what this meant-- but it sounds=20 nice.  I understand the 32K
part, and then, WHAM, the rest is ov= er my=20 head.

>>
Thankfully, I live close to Mike White, and he c= an=20 help test this.
>>

I also can lend testing services. = ;=20 Also, Jim, if it will help, I can lend
you my 16K Viper 1 and/or 16K = Blue=20 Ram.

>>
This is down and dirty, since there is no way to = load=20 memory into except via
a multicart that has an expanded memory progra= m, or=20 through a special loader
via AstroBASIC.
>>

This mean= s the=20 32K expansion can't easily be used as a testing device. 
Large=20 programs could be loaded in segments via the 2000 baud BASIC cart, but=20
this would be clumsy and would go something like this:

Will an= 8K=20 segment of the 32K area be able to run from the cartridge area
(as wi= th=20 the Blue Ram)?  If not, then this 32K expansion is only useful for=20
running already written programs.

Taking power from the Bally-= - do=20 you have to?  I can just picture my poor
Astrocade frowning abou= t=20 that right now.

It comes down to this: a 32K expansion, with or wi= thout=20 support for
cartridge selection is needed, even if only to try progra= ms on=20 the
multicart...

>>
You know, if we settle on a desig= n=20 [... w]e CAN produce a newer BPA
motherboard with quite a few=20 enhancements, and still save a bundle-since the
custom chips are all= =20 socketed, and the Z80 is quite well available.
>>

I've be= en=20 thinking about this motherboard swapping/replacment idea.  It's=20
growing on=20 me.

Adam

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C04D.A5D50360-- From ward.shrake@w... Thu Feb 28 12:55:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 20:55:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 72850 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 20:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 20:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.62) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 20:55:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.97.83] by n12.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2002 20:55:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:55:19 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 32K SRAM memory project Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3537 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.65.64 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: >> I think that I have what I need to get a simple 3-chip >> 32K x 8 SRAM expansion memory for the BPA. It uses a >> 32k x 8 SRAM, a 74HCT138 3-8 decoder and a 74HCT32 quad >> 2-input OR. It will decode out at 6&7, 8&9,A&B, and C&D, >> so from H6000 to HDFFF > > > I wish I knew what this meant-- but it sounds nice. I > understand the 32K part, and then, WHAM, the rest is > over my head. It got me drooling. :-) The HCT series chips are ultra-low power requirement parts, which is good since the Bally system doesn't supply much juice out the back. The specific numbers Jim quoted are cheap, common and easy to find. The idea that it only needs three chips to work is pretty cool, too. For what it is worth, my multicart has a 74LS32 chip in it to help make the memory addressing more efficient. That's an "OR" gate chip like Jim mentioned, except his needs less juice to run. Even the LS series is pretty good on not needing too much current to feed it. Keep us informed, Jim. It sounds pretty cool so far! And while I'm thinking along these lines... any changes I need to do to the programming of the multicart to make new hardware work, I'm open to suggestions on. The plan all along was to make the multicarts upgradable (as Mike White and Adam Trionfo can already attest to), as far as program contents goes. Mike hasn't told me about anything he wants me to change on it, but he knows I'm open to suggestions. One suggestion I would like to make to potential software coders out there... write us an improved "hardware self-test" program, please! I'd gladly include it on the multicart, and if Mike White has access and permission to do so, I'm sure he'd make up single carts with such an animal on it for those that don't have or want to buy a multicart. Two self-test programs exist; one user-written called "test" runs as a normal cart. It's image is included as the first program on the multicart. (The "all zero" setting.) The program has a few limits, though... it is mainly meant to tests joysticks and such. It is neat for what it is, but I wish it did a lot more like memory tests, etc. The other test program we're just now figuring out. Adam Trionfo went ballistic (smile) and typed in the "BalCheck" ROM image file from a paper listing source, this week. I've burned the image into EPROM form, and am about to mail a copy or two off to Mike White, as well. (He has no I'net connection, so that's how we transfer binary files.) The problem with this particular program is that it works along with external hardware that we do not have. Adam says there are schematics of the device around somewhere... I'll let him chime in with that info. If a person were to write such a program, I might suggest that they consider including a "tape signal level checking" routine of some sort. (Assuming such a thing is possible on this system, etc; I'm out of my area of expertise when it comes to tapes on the Astrocade.) My goal here is to have some way of having the Bally say that a signal being sent into it, from an external tape recorder, is set at the correct tone and volume to read a tape correctly. Might be useful in trying to archive old tapes, just to be able to see a graphic bar of some kind that visually tells you when the signal is getting easier or harder to read, as you adjust the tone, volume or head alignment? Ward Shrake "Ward's Tech Corner" web site: http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ From ballyalley@h... Thu Feb 28 13:00:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 21:00:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 4047 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 21:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 21:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.190) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 21:00:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:00:16 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:00:16 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 32K SRAM memory project Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:00:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2002 21:00:16.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC6170F0:01C1C09A] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> What?????????? >> Fuller comments would allow me to answer that question. Are you surprised about the project or not understanding what it's all about? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From lasrtt@g... Thu Feb 28 13:10:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 28 Feb 2002 21:10:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 77146 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 21:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2002 21:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 21:09:56 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GS9HGI03.80J for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:09:54 -0900 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.121.3]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GS9HGG03.H3K for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:09:52 -0900 Message-ID: <000801c1c09c$23214a60$ac32fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 32K SRAM memory project Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:08:52 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1C050.AFD25B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1C050.AFD25B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: Thank you for the response. How about all of the below?=20 Rick.....=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 32K SRAM memory project >> What?????????? >> Fuller comments would allow me to answer that question. Are you surprise= d=20 about the project or not understanding what it's all about? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1C050.AFD25B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam: Thank you for the response. How a= bout all=20 of the below?
  Rick..... 
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Fro= m:=20 = Adam=20 Trionfo
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>>
What??????????
>>

Fuller=20 comments would allow me to answer that question.  Are you surprised= =20
about the project or not understanding what it's all=20 about?

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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1C050.AFD25B80-- From fmillera@p... Thu Feb 28 19:37:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 03:37:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32681 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 03:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 03:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 03:37:15 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.240.107]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GS900NJBZDX16@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:37:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:37:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 32K SRAM memory project In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020228192755.00ab9130@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3137010==_.ALT" From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_3137010==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:26 AM 2/28/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All! > >I think that I have what I need to get a simple 3-chip 32K x 8 SRAM >expansion memory for the BPA. It uses a 32k x 8 SRAM, a 74HCT138 3-8 >decoder and a 74HCT32 quad 2-input OR. It will decode out at 6&7, >8&9,A&B, and C&D, so from H6000 to HDFFF > >Tony, since I am using ALL CMOS parts, will I be okay if I take juice >from the BPA? Some time ago, I responded to a similar post of your (see message 559) in which I stated that you could interface a 64 K RAM with one NOR gate (if the RAM had two chip selects), otherwise one NOR gate and one OR gate. I offered to send you a PDF file of a schematic for doing it. Never heard anything more. I would not under any circumstances power anything from the internal power supply. The verbal design specification was 'design it to 80% of worst case' and clearly it was designed for even less. >Also, the info I am "borrowing" from mentions that the /refresh pin >gates the '138, since SRAM does not need refreshing, and this is said >to lower the average power requirements. > >Tony, I can send you this GIF I got to better explain. Please send me a GIF, and I'll let you know what I think. >Thankfully, I live close to Mike White, and he can help test this. >Also, guys it looks like there will be a CCAG 2002! It is tentatively >scheduled for the 24 and 25th of May 2002, in Garfield Heights Ohio. > >This is down and dirty, since there is no way to load memory into >except via a multicart that has an expanded memory program, or >through a special loader via AstroBASIC. > >You know, if we settle on a design, hint Tony and others. We CAN >produce a newer BPA motherboard with quite a few enhancements, and >still save a bundle-since the custom chips are all socketed, and the >Z80 is quite well available. I have also posted at least twice, a suggestion for doing an interface between an expanded BPA board (with lots of memory - its cheap!), a BPA, and a PC parallel port (to use the PC for game storage and development). Never heard anything from anybody on this. I was hoping to stimulate some conversation working towards a set of specifications for this thing. I will donate my time to do the design, but we all have to work out some way to get prototype boards made without getting a mortgage on the house. Someone asked if it was possible to use SRAMs instead of DRAMs to get consumer resolution. That's a great idea, and can be accomplished cheaper than trying to find 32 4027 DRAMs nowadays, but takes some design effort (so what? no big deal). Why don't we collectively come up with a dream sheet so we can start kicking around feature sets vs BOM cost? Cheers, Tony Miller >Jim > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_3137010==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:26 AM 2/28/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Hi All!

I think that I have what I need to get a simple 3-chip 32K x 8 SRAM
expansion memory for the BPA. It uses a 32k x 8 SRAM, a 74HCT138 3-8
decoder and a 74HCT32 quad 2-input OR. It will decode out at 6&7,
8&9,A&B, and C&D, so from H6000 to HDFFF

Tony, since I am using ALL CMOS parts, will I be okay if I take juice
from the BPA?


Some time ago, I responded to a similar post of your (see message 559) in which I stated that you could interface a 64 K RAM with one NOR gate (if the RAM had two chip selects), otherwise one NOR gate and one OR gate.  I offered to send you a PDF file of a schematic for doing it.  Never heard anything more.

I would not under any circumstances power anything from the internal power supply.  The verbal design specification was 'design it to 80% of worst case' and clearly it was designed for even less.


Also, the info I am "borrowing" from mentions that the /refresh pin
gates the '138, since SRAM does not need refreshing, and this is said
to lower the average power requirements.

Tony, I can send you this GIF I got to better explain.


Please send me a GIF, and I'll let you know what I think.


Thankfully, I live close to Mike White, and he can help test this.
Also, guys it looks like there will be a CCAG 2002! It is tentatively
scheduled for the 24 and 25th of May 2002, in Garfield Heights Ohio.

This is down and dirty, since there is no way to load memory into
except via a multicart that has an expanded memory program, or
through a special loader via AstroBASIC.

You know, if we settle on a design, hint Tony and others. We CAN
produce a newer BPA motherboard with quite a few enhancements, and
still save a bundle-since the custom chips are all socketed, and the
Z80 is quite well available.


I have also posted at least twice, a suggestion for doing an interface between an expanded BPA board (with lots of memory - its cheap!), a BPA, and a PC parallel port (to use the PC for game storage and development).  Never heard anything from anybody on this.  I was hoping to stimulate some conversation working towards a set of specifications for this thing.  I will donate my time to do the design, but we all have to work out some way to get prototype boards made without getting a mortgage on the house.

Someone asked if it was possible to use SRAMs instead of DRAMs to get consumer resolution.  That's a great idea, and can be accomplished cheaper than trying to find 32 4027 DRAMs nowadays, but takes some design effort (so what? no big deal).  Why don't we collectively come up with a dream sheet so we can start kicking around feature sets vs BOM cost?

Cheers,

Tony Miller


Jim



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--=====================_3137010==_.ALT-- From fmillera@p... Thu Feb 28 19:40:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 03:40:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 92381 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 03:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 03:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.52) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 03:40:58 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.90] by n2.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2002 03:40:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:40:58 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: BPA R-Y, B-Y to RGB converter Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 387 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tonymillerus" X-Originating-IP: 63.199.240.107 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus In my research efforts on the BPA write up I did a month or so back, I came across a schematic of a conversion module which will convert R-Y, B-Y to RGB analog. With this, you can run your BPA on any TV set that has RGB inputs, which is true of many TVs built in the last few years. If anyone is interested, let me know and I will post it to the files area. Cheers, Tony Miller From komb@s... Thu Feb 28 19:58:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 03:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 46882 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 03:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 03:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.183) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 03:58:16 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.97]) by tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020301035815.LSOQ785.tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:58:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7EFC33.4040200@s...> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:57:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] BPA R-Y, B-Y to RGB converter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Interested! Interested! Way long time interested.... (Interedted in memory expansion too...) tonymillerus wrote: > In my research efforts on the BPA write up I did a month or so back, I > came across a schematic of a conversion module which will convert R-Y, > B-Y to RGB analog. With this, you can run your BPA on any TV set that > has RGB inputs, which is true of many TVs built in the last few years. > If anyone is interested, let me know and I will post it to the files > area. > > Cheers, > > Tony Miller > From jwkrych@n... Fri Mar 01 15:50:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 23:50:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 61366 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 23:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 23:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 23:50:18 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.112] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2002 23:50:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:50:13 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 32K SRAM memory project Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020228192755.00ab9130@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2427 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.66.44.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Ok, Since we are on the discussion of a dream list, let me preface this first. I think it would be very wise to have a way to replicate the custom chips of the BPA in VHDL or a similar hardware discriptor language. What I mean is this, we have a limited supply of the needed chips, and while there are plenty of Z80, and Z80 clones, the custom chips are a very finite supply, even though they are socketed and can be removed-carefully. Having said that, I have contacted someone with this express interest, however, if anyone else would like to contact an FPGA designer and such, please go ahead. We have plenty of documentation on how the chips work, and that should be enough. We are being generous too, since these custom chips don't number into the hundreds of thousands of transistors/gates. Now, to what I think should be for an "Astrocade II" Motherboard Replacement Project Let's break this down into several groups: CPU-which Z80 clone or a choice of a higher-speed capable Z80,6-8MHz Interface: use a PIC as an AT-style keyboard interface? USB? Can we get a USB port to allow us to communicate to the rest of the world? Parallel: as mentioned by Tony, we upload and download from a PC setup as a BPA server Expansion: still allow it? Power Supply will be much better!!! Light pen-removed by the USB port? Joysticks-keep the original design ports Cart port of course! Memory: I am for one very much for the use of SRAM as a replacement for the DRAM's used. We can use the very cheap 512K x 8 SRAMs as a 16K screen buffer, and the rest with CPU-bankswitching via a simple MMU can even allow a total of 4MBytes memory. The first 512K SRAM can also have an 8K chunck decoded to have as a "cart" space. Obviously, we can have the BPA come up in "consumer" mode first for compatibility, and through software, go into commercial mode and the inbetween 160 x 204 mode too. I think that if we can get the custom chips replictaed, we can "add" a few extra features for the graphics chip. The beauty of this is this, we can have a neat "Astrocade II" in the same footprint as the original BPA, with many more features and such. And, if someone does not have an original case, they can still own one and play it! (wth a lot less of the heating problems!!!) I am reminded of the many ZX80/ZX81 and speccy clones that have been made, and certainly, why not the BPA??? Okay, let's discuss! Jim From fmillera@p... Fri Mar 01 18:05:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 02:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 57885 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 02:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 02:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 02:05:04 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.241.96]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GSB001LZPSDH3@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:05:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:04:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: 32K SRAM memory project In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020301180143.00abf340@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_848429==_.ALT" References: <4.2.2.20020228192755.00ab9130@p...> From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_848429==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:50 PM 3/1/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Ok, > >Since we are on the discussion of a dream list, let me preface this >first. > >I think it would be very wise to have a way to replicate the custom >chips of the BPA in VHDL or a similar hardware discriptor language. >What I mean is this, we have a limited supply of the needed chips, >and while there are plenty of Z80, and Z80 clones, the custom chips >are a very finite supply, even though they are socketed and can be >removed-carefully. I would suggest using Verilog. It might be possible to use web tools such as Xilinx provides to simulate everything, but I haven't done much checking into what they offer (for free) in terms of simulation. When I did my last homebrew project, I finagled a simulator from an employer who had not paid me in a while, but that license has long expired. I was successful in compiling, place & route, etc., and entire design this way, but that design was significantly more straightforward than what we're talking about here. Cheers, Tony Miller >Having said that, I have contacted someone with this express >interest, however, if anyone else would like to contact an FPGA >designer and such, please go ahead. We have plenty of documentation >on how the chips work, and that should be enough. We are being >generous too, since these custom chips don't number into the hundreds >of thousands of transistors/gates. > >Now, to what I think should be for an "Astrocade II" Motherboard >Replacement Project > >Let's break this down into several groups: >CPU-which Z80 clone or a choice of a higher-speed capable Z80,6-8MHz >Interface: use a PIC as an AT-style keyboard interface? >USB? Can we get a USB port to allow us to communicate to the rest of >the world? >Parallel: as mentioned by Tony, we upload and download from a PC >setup as a BPA server >Expansion: still allow it? >Power Supply will be much better!!! >Light pen-removed by the USB port? >Joysticks-keep the original design ports >Cart port of course! > >Memory: I am for one very much for the use of SRAM as a replacement >for the DRAM's used. We can use the very cheap 512K x 8 SRAMs as a >16K screen buffer, and the rest with CPU-bankswitching via a simple >MMU can even allow a total of 4MBytes memory. The first 512K SRAM can >also have an 8K chunck decoded to have as a "cart" space. > >Obviously, we can have the BPA come up in "consumer" mode first for >compatibility, and through software, go into commercial mode and the >inbetween 160 x 204 mode too. > >I think that if we can get the custom chips replictaed, we can "add" >a few extra features for the graphics chip. > >The beauty of this is this, we can have a neat "Astrocade II" in the >same footprint as the original BPA, with many more features and such. >And, if someone does not have an original case, they can still own >one and play it! (wth a lot less of the heating problems!!!) > >I am reminded of the many ZX80/ZX81 and speccy clones that have been >made, and certainly, why not the BPA??? > >Okay, let's discuss! > >Jim > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_848429==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 11:50 PM 3/1/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Ok,

Since we are on the discussion of a dream list, let me preface this
first.

I think it would be very wise to have a way to replicate the custom
chips of the BPA in VHDL or a similar hardware discriptor language.
What I mean is this, we have a limited supply of the needed chips,
and while there are plenty of Z80, and Z80 clones, the custom chips
are a very finite supply, even though they are socketed and can be
removed-carefully.

I would suggest using Verilog.  It might be possible to use web tools such as Xilinx provides to simulate everything, but I haven't done much checking into what they offer (for free) in terms of simulation.  When I did my last homebrew project, I finagled a simulator from an employer who had not paid me in a while, but that license has long expired.  I was successful in compiling, place & route, etc., and entire design this way, but that design was significantly more straightforward than what we're talking about here.

Cheers,

Tony Miller

Having said that, I have contacted someone with this express
interest, however, if anyone else would like to contact an FPGA
designer and such, please go ahead. We have plenty of documentation
on how the chips work, and that should be enough. We are being
generous too, since these custom chips don't number into the hundreds
of thousands of transistors/gates.

Now, to what I think should be for an "Astrocade II" Motherboard
Replacement Project

Let's break this down into several groups:
CPU-which Z80 clone or a choice of a higher-speed capable Z80,6-8MHz
Interface: use a PIC as an AT-style keyboard interface?
USB? Can we get a USB port to allow us to communicate to the rest of
the world?
Parallel: as mentioned by Tony, we upload and download from a PC
setup as a BPA server
Expansion: still allow it?
Power Supply will be much better!!!
Light pen-removed by the USB port?
Joysticks-keep the original design ports
Cart port of course!

Memory: I am for one very much for the use of SRAM as a replacement
for the DRAM's used. We can use the very cheap 512K x 8 SRAMs as a
16K screen buffer, and the rest with CPU-bankswitching via a simple
MMU can even allow a total of 4MBytes memory. The first 512K SRAM can
also have an 8K chunck decoded to have as a "cart" space.

Obviously, we can have the BPA come up in "consumer" mode first for
compatibility, and through software, go into commercial mode and the
inbetween 160 x 204 mode too.

I think that if we can get the custom chips replictaed, we can "add"
a few extra features for the graphics chip.

The beauty of this is this, we can have a neat "Astrocade II" in the
same footprint as the original BPA, with many more features and such.
And, if someone does not have an original case, they can still own
one and play it! (wth a lot less of the heating problems!!!)

I am reminded of the many ZX80/ZX81 and speccy clones that have been
made, and certainly, why not the BPA???

Okay, let's discuss!

Jim



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--=====================_848429==_.ALT-- From ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Fri Mar 01 18:28:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42120 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 02:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 02:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 02:28:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [216.115.96.176] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2002 02:28:56 -0000 Date: 2 Mar 2002 02:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <1015036132.101450.84060.w85@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ballyalley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley group. File : /convert.pdf Uploaded by : tonymillerus Description : R-Y, B-Y to RGB converter You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/convert.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, tonymillerus From komb@s... Fri Mar 01 19:41:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 03:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21856 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 03:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 03:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.26) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 03:41:01 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.97]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020302034100.GTPU717.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8049A6.1030508@s...> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:40:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New file uploaded to ballyalley References: <1015036132.101450.84060.w85@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian ballyalley@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley > group. Thanks Tony! Just wish it was clearer. :( From ballyalley@h... Mon Mar 04 07:34:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 4 Mar 2002 15:34:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 23155 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 15:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 15:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.142) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 15:34:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:34:25 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:34:25 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] BPA R-Y, B-Y to RGB converter Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 07:34:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2002 15:34:25.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[108F8FD0:01C1C392] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Note on the PDF "R-Y, B-Y to RGB converter" that Tony uploaded: convert.pdf - To save space, this PDF converted from 1.2 MB to 63K (with no loss of quality) If this were scanned as a B&W image instead of grayscale it would be much easier to read- but it is pretty-much readable as it is. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From fmillera@p... Tue Mar 05 13:22:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 5 Mar 2002 21:22:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 50969 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 03:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2002 03:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 03:22:19 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.243.0]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GSH004PTDD51V@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 19:22:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 19:22:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] BPA R-Y, B-Y to RGB converter In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020304192156.00aa5f48@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1268874==_.ALT" From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_1268874==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:34 AM 3/4/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Note on the PDF "R-Y, B-Y to RGB converter" that Tony uploaded: > >convert.pdf - To save space, this PDF converted from 1.2 MB to 63K (with no >loss of quality) > >If this were scanned as a B&W image instead of grayscale it would be much >easier to read- but it is pretty-much readable as it is. That's the way I got it off the website! Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_1268874==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:34 AM 3/4/2002 -0800, you wrote:
Note on the PDF "R-Y, B-Y to RGB converter" that Tony uploaded:

convert.pdf - To save space, this PDF converted from 1.2 MB to 63K (with no
loss of quality)

If this were scanned as a B&W image instead of grayscale it would be much
easier to read- but it is pretty-much readable as it is.


That's the way I got it off the website!

Cheers,

Tony Miller


Adam

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--=====================_1268874==_.ALT-- From ballyalley@h... Tue Mar 05 20:34:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 04:34:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 23649 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 04:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 04:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.190) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 04:34:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:34:47 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 04:34:46 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Scribbling source and Ballyequ.h version 2.5 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 20:34:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 04:34:47.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EF6F5C0:01C1C4C8] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo March 5, 2002 The source code for Scribbling, the game contained in all the Astrocades, has been uploaded to the discussion group file area. It assembles, under Zmac, to the EXACT same code as the "3159" ROM. I had to make a couple of changes for this to work (see color register changes in the source, lines 984 and 988). Today I modified Scribbling to run from cartridge (very easy change), but that source isn't available yet. I'm going to add some comments to it: it will make a good example for those that want to poke around with the Astrocade, for the game is small and manages to use the joysticks, "paddles," and keypad. No, it's not a game-- but it something. The source for Scribbling (scribble.asm) can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/ I have also added a couple of fixes to the Ballyequ.h file (now at version 2.5) and uploaded that file to the same area. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Tue Mar 05 21:53:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 05:53:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 97861 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 16:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2002 16:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.43) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 16:02:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:02:56 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:02:56 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Scribbling source code Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:02:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2002 16:02:56.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[37240810:01C1C45F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I have added the source code for "Scribbling" to the file section of the discussion group. The file is called scribble.asm and can be downloaded from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/ Scribbling is part of the Bally on-board 8K ROM and uses memory locations $E19-$1013. The output from this source file matches EXACTLY with the "3159" ROM: I compared by hand, but then used Ward's program, "Howdif," to verify that no differences exist. Only two code changes from the Scribbling source in the Nutting Manual had to be made to make the output an exact match, and these changes ARE noted in the source (the default colors in the color registers are different). As a side note, I updated ballyequ.h to version 2.5 and uploaded it to the file area too. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Wed Mar 06 11:54:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 6 Mar 2002 19:54:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 71025 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 19:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2002 19:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.147) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 19:45:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:45:38 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:45:38 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 32K RAM Expansion Device Feature Wish List Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:45:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2002 19:45:38.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D876660:01C1C547] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 32K RAM Expansion Device Feature Wish List ------------------------------------------ I. Bare-Minimum, Absolute Must-Have, Features ------------------------------------------ These five features are essential. Without them I would not buy the upgrade. 1) Mimic a cartridge at $2000 (cartridge) area. Without this feature, the device can not be used for cartridge development purposes and I'm not sure what it would be used for other than BASIC programming, or testing ML routines. 2) Compatible with Blue RAM 16K layout (memory starts at $6000) 3) Be able to use most of the functions of the Blue RAM utility (excluding print and modem functions). If features one and two are included, then this is a given. 4) Be able to play all the games on the multicart. Again, if features one and two are included, then this is a given. 5) A reliable procedure to download software. Something HAS to be done to avoid the BASIC cartridge input. See feature one on the next list. 6) External Power Supply II. Recommended Additional Features ------------------------------- These additional features would really be useful, ALMOST essential features, but I'd buy the device even if these features could not be included. 1) PC Connection (serial?) to download programs directly into the expanded RAM, or to upload cart images directly to the PC. I almost put this feature on the "absolute" list, but then relented; I consider this feature essential but I'd buy the device (reluctantly) without it. Could the Blue Ram modem utility provide the serial software on the Bally side already? 3) A socket for an EPROM, to be used as a cartridge (if downloaded software isn't possible). Hopefully this wouldn't be needed. III. Other Bonus Features -------------------- Not needed, but these extras would be neat to see. 1) Emulated bank switching. If someone wrote a 16K or 32K Astrocade game, only people with the RAM expander could use it. There are no bank-switching cartridges (that I know of) on the Astrocade, but if larger programs are written, then maybe a feature that can emulate how a cart would do it would be useful. Somewhere down the road a cartridge could be created that could take advantage of this feature. A 32K cart in the Bally's future? Ah, just dreaming thinking out loud... 2) A small footprint would be nice. Maybe the device can stick out the back like a cartridge, rather than being connected with a ribbon cable-- but if it's going to plug into an outlet, this might be unstable. IV. Features NOT needed ------------------- I would not see the point of including any of these. 1) Printer hookup isn't needed; move software to the PC, then print it from there. The exception to this is BASIC software, which will need some type of software interpreter to print out the special characters. That's another project. 2) Before anyone asks for hi-res mode, it won't be possible with this device. So, here it is then, some specs for a device I would buy. Anyone with me? Am I totally off base? What's on your mind? Adam Trionfo _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From komb@s... Wed Mar 06 17:06:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 7 Mar 2002 01:06:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 82553 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 01:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2002 01:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.74) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 01:06:17 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.97]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020307010616.FXQI22806.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:06:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3C86BCD0.7000903@s...> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:05:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Scribbling source and Ballyequ.h version 2.5 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > March 5, 2002 > > The source code for Scribbling, the game contained in all the Astrocades, > has been uploaded to the discussion group file area. It assembles, under > Zmac, to the EXACT same code as the "3159" ROM. I had to make a couple of > changes for this to work (see color register changes in the source, lines > 984 and 988). > > Today I modified Scribbling to run from cartridge (very easy change), but > that source isn't available yet. I'm going to add some comments to it: it > will make a good example for those that want to poke around with the > Astrocade, for the game is small and manages to use the joysticks, > "paddles," and keypad. No, it's not a game-- but it something. > Way to go! If I wasen't backloged with another project right now, I'd be playing with it! From fmillera@p... Wed Mar 06 19:12:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 7 Mar 2002 03:12:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 87182 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 03:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2002 03:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.79) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 03:10:07 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.110] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2002 03:08:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 03:08:28 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 32K RAM Expansion Device Feature Wish List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tonymillerus" X-Originating-IP: 63.199.240.181 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > 32K RAM Expansion Device Feature Wish List First, Glad to see someone taking a serious stab at defining a set of specifications to work from! > ------------------------------------------ > > I. Bare-Minimum, Absolute Must-Have, Features > ------------------------------------------ > > These five features are essential. Without them I would not buy the > upgrade. > > 1) Mimic a cartridge at $2000 (cartridge) area. Without this feature, the > device can not be used for cartridge development purposes and I'm not sure > what it would be used for other than BASIC programming, or testing ML > routines. > > 2) Compatible with Blue RAM 16K layout (memory starts at $6000) > > 3) Be able to use most of the functions of the Blue RAM utility (excluding > print and modem functions). If features one and two are included, then this > is a given. > > 4) Be able to play all the games on the multicart. Again, if features one > and two are included, then this is a given. > > 5) A reliable procedure to download software. Something HAS to be done to > avoid the BASIC cartridge input. See feature one on the next list. > > 6) External Power Supply > > > II. Recommended Additional Features > ------------------------------- > > These additional features would really be useful, ALMOST essential features, > but I'd buy the device even if these features could not be included. > > 1) PC Connection (serial?) to download programs directly into the expanded > RAM, or to upload cart images directly to the PC. I almost put this feature > on the "absolute" list, but then relented; I consider this feature essential > but I'd buy the device (reluctantly) without it. Could the Blue Ram modem > utility provide the serial software on the Bally side already? > > 3) A socket for an EPROM, to be used as a cartridge (if downloaded software > isn't possible). Hopefully this wouldn't be needed. > > > III. Other Bonus Features > -------------------- > > Not needed, but these extras would be neat to see. > > 1) Emulated bank switching. If someone wrote a 16K or 32K Astrocade game, > only people with the RAM expander could use it. There are no bank-switching > cartridges (that I know of) on the Astrocade, but if larger programs are > written, then maybe a feature that can emulate how a cart would do it would > be useful. Somewhere down the road a cartridge could be created that could > take advantage of this feature. A 32K cart in the Bally's future? Ah, just > dreaming thinking out loud... > > 2) A small footprint would be nice. Maybe the device can stick out the back > like a cartridge, rather than being connected with a ribbon cable-- but if > it's going to plug into an outlet, this might be unstable. > > > IV. Features NOT needed > ------------------- > > I would not see the point of including any of these. > > 1) Printer hookup isn't needed; move software to the PC, then print it from > there. The exception to this is BASIC software, which will need some type > of software interpreter to print out the special characters. That's another > project. > > 2) Before anyone asks for hi-res mode, it won't be possible with this > device. If we were to develop an FPGA equivalent, this would be quite do-able. If we were willing to remove the data & address chips from the attached BPA and transplant them to the new widget, this would also be do-able. In either case, would recommend goind with SRAM as a replacement. Cheers, Tony Miller > > > So, here it is then, some specs for a device I would buy. Anyone with me? > Am I totally off base? What's on your mind? > > Adam Trionfo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Mar 07 12:19:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 7 Mar 2002 20:19:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 3684 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 20:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2002 20:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.213) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 20:19:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:19:06 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:19:06 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Preamp needed for Astrocade BASIC? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:19:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 20:19:06.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[55281E70:01C1C615] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Is there an audiophile amongst us that can explain if a microphone preamp placed between the Astro BASIC cartridge and a tape recorder (or sound card) will make a difference in improving the chances of loading and saving programs? I'd buy one if I knew this would help. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Thu Mar 07 17:25:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 01:25:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 77099 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 01:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 01:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 01:24:36 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.173]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020308012436.BGJY24599.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:24:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8812A8.8030206@s...> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:23:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Preamp needed for Astrocade BASIC? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Is there an audiophile amongst us that can explain if a microphone preamp > placed between the Astro BASIC cartridge and a tape recorder (or sound card) > will make a difference in improving the chances of loading and saving > programs? I'd buy one if I knew this would help. > > Adam > Although I ma not an audio expert. I sincerly doubt it. Thought it might help the levels going straight to a computer... Lance From douglas_t_lee@p... Thu Mar 07 18:51:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 02:51:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 7089 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 02:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 02:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 02:34:55 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.173] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 02:34:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 02:34:23 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Preamp needed for Astrocade BASIC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1136 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee In the old days, I tried lots of tricks--a super clean preamp, an equalizer with a top of the line cassette deck, even a reel-to-reel recorder at 7 1/2 inches per second. None of them worked as well as my portable Panasonic cassette recorder although the equalizer with a cassette deck worked almost as well (with Dolby off). It appears that the cassette recorder was built for erratic sound. It had a compression circuit that compensated for sounds that were too loud or too soft. I am not sure why that helped. Perhaps the sound signal from the Bally was not at a high enough level and also distorted causing amplification above a certain level to make it even less usable. Perhaps there were overtones that were masked by the poor fidelity of the Panasonic recorder. (That's why I tried the equalizer--to just selectively boost the signal frequencies while attenuating the rest). Since it was not worth the effort of carting the Bally and the TV to the stereo, I gave that up and have long forgotten what the equalizer settings were like. I doubt a straight preamp would help. Sorry I can't be more help. From fmillera@p... Thu Mar 07 19:34:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 8 Mar 2002 03:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 58941 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 03:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2002 03:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.64) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 03:01:12 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.133] by n14.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2002 03:01:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 02:59:22 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Preamp needed for Astrocade BASIC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1596 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tonymillerus" X-Originating-IP: 63.199.241.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --- In ballyalley@y..., "dtlee" wrote: As I recall, there was not a lot of design effort put into clean analog waveforms for the cassette adapter. It was only something line a resistor divider and capacitor to smooth things out a bit. So the waveforms probably don't look too terrific, and I'm not sure what kind of effort would be required to clean it up! Cheers, Tony Miller > In the old days, I tried lots of tricks--a super clean preamp, an > equalizer with a top of the line cassette deck, even a reel-to-reel > recorder at 7 1/2 inches per second. None of them worked as well as > my portable Panasonic cassette recorder although the equalizer with a > cassette deck worked almost as well (with Dolby off). > > It appears that the cassette recorder was built for erratic sound. > It had a compression circuit that compensated for sounds that were > too loud or too soft. > > I am not sure why that helped. Perhaps the sound signal from the > Bally was not at a high enough level and also distorted causing > amplification above a certain level to make it even less usable. > Perhaps there were overtones that were masked by the poor fidelity of > the Panasonic recorder. (That's why I tried the equalizer--to just > selectively boost the signal frequencies while attenuating the > rest). > > Since it was not worth the effort of carting the Bally and the TV to > the stereo, I gave that up and have long forgotten what the equalizer > settings were like. > > I doubt a straight preamp would help. Sorry I can't be more help. From jwkrych@n... Fri Mar 08 18:16:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 9 Mar 2002 02:16:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 31319 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 02:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2002 02:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.66) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 02:16:26 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.155] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2002 02:15:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 02:10:53 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: CCAG 2002!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1477 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.66.44.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 For Immediate Release to all Internet and related groups! The Classic Computer And Gaming(CCAG) Show 2002 is on! "We, the CCAG organizers, regret that it took so long to officially announce the CCAG 2002 Show. However, we are also very glad that the CCAG 2001 Show did NOT take place after September 11th, 2001. Had CCAG 2001 taken place after 9-11, we would have had to cancel. Because we had used a National Guard Armory for the previous two CCAG's, we were not able to rent the Armory again after the events of 9-11. We have been able to locate and secure a facility for CCAG 2002! We again apologize for the delay, as we were only able to know with certainty, in the past several days. See you all at the CCAG 2002!!!" CCAG 2002 Staff The Classic Computer And Gaming Show 2002 will be held on May 25th, 2002 from 8AM till 2 PM. Vendor setup is on the 24th from 5:30PM till 9PM, and from 6:30AM till 8AM on the 25th. Show location is at the St. John Lutheran Church, 11333 Granger Road, Garfield Hts. Ohio, 44125. Here is our own site for more information and current status of vendors and attendees. www.ccagshow.com Table rental is $5 this year, and admission is only $2. The admission fee will also allow you to be eligeble for a drawing at 1PM, the 25th, for an Arcade machine! (You will need a way to take the machine home with you!) The web site, www.ccagshow.com, has site info, table layouts, map info, etc. We hope to see you there at the CCAG 2002! From komb@s... Sun Mar 10 08:52:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 16:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 93090 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 16:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 16:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.56) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 16:52:12 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020310165212.YYAM811.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8B8F10.6090905@s...> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:51:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Basic Cart scan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Can anybody send me a scan of the original (No tape interface) BASIC cart? Also, has anyone seen/have the box for the "Bally/Home Library Computer"? Please also send picture or discription. These are to be included in the HTML FAQ. Much Thanks Lance P.S. The Computer section is still in a holding pattern. Sorry. :( From lasrtt@g... Sun Mar 10 11:38:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 19:38:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 1728 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 19:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 19:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 19:38:17 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSRVVS01.ZI3 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:38:16 -0900 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.119.129]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSRVVQ01.J1U for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:38:15 -0900 Message-ID: <001101c1c86b$061ffca0$07cafea9@t...> To: References: <3C8B8F10.6090905@s...> Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Basic Cart scan Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:37:32 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1C81F.95920280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1C81F.95920280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lance: Please clarify what it is that you want, I have a few of these carts. but= am not clear on what you'r asking for. Just a scan of the outside/inside o= r somethinf else. Please advise.=20 Thanks Rick.....=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lance F. Squire=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 7:51 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Basic Cart scan Can anybody send me a scan of the original (No tape interface) BASIC cart= ? Also, has anyone seen/have the box for the "Bally/Home Library Computer"? Please also send picture or discription. These are to be included in the HTML FAQ. Much Thanks Lance P.S. The Computer section is still in a holding pattern. Sorry. :( Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Hi Lance:
  Please clarify what it is that you = want, I=20 have a few of these carts. but am not clear on what you'r asking for. Just = a=20 scan of the outside/inside or somethinf else. Please advise.
       = Thanks=20 Rick..... 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Lance F. S= quire=20
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 7:51= =20 AM
Subject: [ballyalley] Basic Cart=20 scan

Can anybody send me a scan of the original (No tape=20 interface) BASIC cart?

Also, has anyone seen/have the box for the= =20 "Bally/Home Library Computer"?

Please also send picture or=20 discription.

These are to be included in the HTML FAQ.

Much= =20 Thanks

Lance

P.S. The Computer section is still in a holdin= g=20 pattern. Sorry. :(



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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1C81F.95920280-- From komb@s... Sun Mar 10 13:50:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 21:50:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 98505 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 21:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 21:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.4) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 21:50:45 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020310215045.PUPC8059.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:50:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8BD509.9090202@s...> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:50:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Basic Cart scan References: <3C8B8F10.6090905@s...> <001101c1c86b$061ffca0$07cafea9@t...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Rick & Myrna Trnka wrote: > Hi Lance: > > Please clarify what it is that you want, I have a few of these carts. > but am not clear on what you'r asking for. Just a scan of the > outside/inside or somethinf else. Please advise. > > Thanks Rick..... > a scan of the front (label side) of an original (No tape interface) Bally BASIC cart. Thanks. Lance From ward.shrake@w... Sun Mar 10 13:59:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 10 Mar 2002 21:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 54036 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2002 21:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2002 21:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.70) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2002 21:59:02 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.115] by n20.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2002 21:44:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:58:59 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Preamp needed for Astrocade BASIC? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.253 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > Is there an audiophile amongst us (snip) No offense meant, but that's almost a trick question in itself. The term "audiophile" may not mean what you think it does; depending on its context and whom you're talking to, it could mean many things. In some circles, "Audiophile" can be a term of derision, akin to "voodoo practicioner" or "witch doctor". In others, it is a status symbol. I won't beat this tangent to death, but it can almost be compared to the term "hacker". That term evolved over time as it went from being used strictly by insiders to a more public, general usage, often by those not clued-in. It didn't always mean "low-life scum that wants to break-and-enter and cause mischief on computer networks". At one time it was used to describe people who ran ultra-complicated model railroad layouts, then fell into more general computer usage with the meaning that a person simply wanted to investigate and learn. After the media got ahold of it, it is now almost synonymous with criminal. Same with "disgruntled" ... dictionary meaning is "unhappy" but the media uses it to describe workplace mass-murderers. Go figure? But getting back to the real question... Personally, my first suggestion would be just to try to match the peak-to-peak voltage levels going into the Bally's tape inputs. See how far you get by throwing a volt meter or a gauge on the input line, to see what voltage levels the Bally seems to like the best. Audiophiles looking for higher fidelity from various audio equipment components routinely match low-level voltage output levels to insure fair comparisons, between output components such as CD players. Three volts out on one CD Player is presumably equal to the same source recording being output at three volts on a competing CD Player, etc, thereby eliminating that as a potential variable in the overall test. In other words, I'm saying to concentrate more on signal strength at first, rather than on the overall shape of the waveform itself. In that regard I think the preamp idea might have some validity, all other things being equal, if it allows you to adjust peak voltages. A lot of older, Bally-era tape players had "volume" adjustments on all their tape outputs, and many modern-day tape players are fixed- level, so I think that retro-fitting such a thing has potential? By now most of these tape player's heads are worn beyond any real use, and most likely need a serious degaussing (demagnetizing) as well. One thing to watch out for, though, would be to radically amplify a waveform with an inappropriate amplifier. I've seen kids try to feed the "speaker output" (higher voltage and current) outputs through a stereo's input section, hoping to radically increase stereo output. It does that to some degree, but it also radically distorts the shape of the waveform at the same time. The waveform's peaks all push way past their normal limits, as it were. There is nowhere left to "grow" at some point, the peaks hit a theoretical ceiling and a floor, and the output waveform ends up being "clipped" on the top and bottom. Your music ends up as what a buddy once called "modulated pink noise". You can end up with a formerly analog waveform that is now the rough equivalent of a digital "square wave". Commodore Business Machines did this on purpose in their computer tape devices, to get a truly binary set of "zero" and "one" signals, but that doesn't apply here. I'd say not to forget tape head alignment in all this, but someone would probably slap me. :-) Ward Shrake "Ward's Tech Corner" web site: http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ From lasrtt@g... Sun Mar 10 19:56:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 03:56:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 20055 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 03:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 03:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 03:56:45 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSSIY400.J8V for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:56:28 -0900 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.123.104]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSSIY403.I58 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:56:28 -0900 Message-ID: <000d01c1c8b0$9950e760$07cafea9@t...> To: References: <3C8B8F10.6090905@s...> <001101c1c86b$061ffca0$07cafea9@t...> <3C8BD509.9090202@s...> Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Basic Cart scan Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:55:10 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C865.1A6A22E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C865.1A6A22E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lance:=20=20=20=20=20 Here ut is, sorry it took so long my wifie wanted to go see We Where Sol= iders. I didn't to many old memories. Anyway if you can go see it, almost l= ike being there again. The other casette is a tape. Take good care Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lance F. Squire=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Basic Cart scan Rick & Myrna Trnka wrote: > Hi Lance: >=20 > Please clarify what it is that you want, I have a few of these carts.= =20 > but am not clear on what you'r asking for. Just a scan of the=20 > outside/inside or somethinf else. Please advise. >=20 > Thanks Rick.....=20 >=20 a scan of the front (label side) of an original (No tape interface)=20 Bally BASIC cart. Thanks. Lance Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Hi Lance:     <= /DIV>
   Here ut is, sorry it took so = long my=20 wifie wanted to go see We Where Soliders. I didn't to many old memories. An= yway=20 if you can go see it, almost like being there again. The other casette is a= =20 tape.
     Take good care=20 Rick.....
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Lance F. S= quire=20
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 12:50= =20 PM
Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Basic Ca= rt=20 scan

Rick & Myrna Trnka wrote:
> Hi Lance:
>= ;=20
>   Please clarify what it is that you want, I have a fe= w of=20 these carts.
> but am not clear on what you'r asking for. Just a s= can=20 of the
> outside/inside or somethinf else. Please advise.
>= =20
>         Thanks Rick.....= =20
>


  a scan of the front (label side) of an origin= al=20 (No tape interface)
Bally BASIC
 =20 cart.

Thanks.

Lance




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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C865.1A6A22E0-- From ward.shrake@w... Sun Mar 10 22:50:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 06:50:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 89248 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 06:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 06:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 06:50:22 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.182] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2002 06:50:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:50:19 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cartridge listing Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1235 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.68.61 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan For what it is worth, Adam has been quietly revising Mike White's excellent cartridge FAQ listing, and I've spent most of today adding my two cents to it. If I do say so myself, it looks pretty darned good! I spent hours going through every arcade game ever made by Midway, and then Bally / Midway in that time period, adding it into the FAQ wherever it seemed appropriate. (The KLOV kicks butt!) Did you know that "Checkmate" is an arcade port? You might have known that "Gun Fight" was, but Checkmate took me by surprise. A number of others like that, pleasantly surprised me... even "Amazing Maze" began its life as an arcade port, as did many others. Cool trivia?! And "Demolition Derby" went on to improve itself, in the arcades. And by the way, here's a kicker for ya... people always say that Bally did not own the rights to Pac-Man, so Muncher was illegal and unsellable. Not really true... guess who made the arcade original? Same with Space Invaders... Midway had a version in the arcades that was just as legit as the official Taito release. So why change the name of the program, and act as if they were not a real licensee? There is definitely a mystery or two at the bottom of all of this!? Ward Shrake From bbauer@n... Mon Mar 11 04:30:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bbauer@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 12:30:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 71793 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 12:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 12:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail7.nc.rr.com) (24.93.67.54) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 12:30:18 -0000 Received: from johndoe ([66.26.242.251]) by mail7.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:30:15 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c1c8f9$365e34c0$0100a8c0@j...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Cartridge listing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:35:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Return-Path: bbauer@n... From: "Ben Bauer" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77764746 X-Yahoo-Profile: bbauer3676 I once met a guy in the Arcade business that insists Bally Killed the Bally Arcade because they thought it would eventualy eat into thier arcade revenue. It appears that Bally was realy scared when some of the ported games looked better then the original black and white originals. Maybe this is the heart of the mystery? Ben Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "commie_fan" To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:50 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Cartridge listing > For what it is worth, Adam has been quietly revising Mike White's > excellent cartridge FAQ listing, and I've spent most of today adding > my two cents to it. If I do say so myself, it looks pretty darned > good! I spent hours going through every arcade game ever made by > Midway, and then Bally / Midway in that time period, adding it into > the FAQ wherever it seemed appropriate. (The KLOV kicks butt!) > > Did you know that "Checkmate" is an arcade port? You might have known > that "Gun Fight" was, but Checkmate took me by surprise. A number of > others like that, pleasantly surprised me... even "Amazing Maze" > began its life as an arcade port, as did many others. Cool trivia?! > And "Demolition Derby" went on to improve itself, in the arcades. > > And by the way, here's a kicker for ya... people always say that > Bally did not own the rights to Pac-Man, so Muncher was illegal and > unsellable. Not really true... guess who made the arcade original? > > Same with Space Invaders... Midway had a version in the arcades that > was just as legit as the official Taito release. So why change the > name of the program, and act as if they were not a real licensee? > > There is definitely a mystery or two at the bottom of all of this!? > > Ward Shrake > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From ballyalley@h... Mon Mar 11 05:22:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 11 Mar 2002 13:22:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 46404 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 13:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2002 13:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.155) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 13:22:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:22:18 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:22:17 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Cartridge listing Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:22:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 13:22:18.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4955060:01C1C8FF] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> And by the way, here's a kicker for ya... people always say that Bally did not own the rights to Pac-Man, so Muncher was illegal and unsellable. Not really true... guess who made the arcade original? >> Bally didn't own the Bally Professional Arcade anymore by the time Muncher was released. The new owner, Astrovision/Astrocade, was a completely different company and they had nothing at all to do with Midways's license of Namco's game Pacman. This new company would have had to license the game from Namco, and this would have been AFTER Pac-man 'fever' swept the U.S.; that license probably would not have come cheaply. After the sale by Bally, some games were renamed when they were re-released by the new company, for instance: Space Invaders became Astro Battle and Galaxian became Galactic Invaders (these games were licensed to Bally/Midway, not created by them). When Bally sold the BPA, the Bally custom chip set wasn't even included (as noted by Tom Meeks in this discussion group). I've not read any clear indication of what rights did come with the sale of the BPA, but it makes sense that games that Bally didn't create were not included. Is there any way to check on Bally's sale of the BPA? Would this be part of public records? The Wall Street Journal was keeping tabs on it in the beginning of the 1980's; where would they have gotten the information? Adam Trionfo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From komb@s... Mon Mar 11 22:02:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 12 Mar 2002 06:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 99684 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 06:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2002 06:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.25) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 06:02:03 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020312060202.LFSG713.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3C8D99B1.6060508@s...> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:01:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Cartridge listing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > For what it is worth, Adam has been quietly revising Mike White's > excellent cartridge FAQ listing, and I've spent most of today adding > my two cents to it. If I do say so myself, it looks pretty darned > good! I spent hours going through every arcade game ever made by > Midway, and then Bally / Midway in that time period, adding it into > the FAQ wherever it seemed appropriate. (The KLOV kicks butt!) > Um.. Ya! Already linked in my list. > Did you know that "Checkmate" is an arcade port? You might have known > that "Gun Fight" was, but Checkmate took me by surprise. Ya, Played it when it was new! (dating self :( ) >A number of > others like that, pleasantly surprised me... even "Amazing Maze" > began its life as an arcade port, as did many others. Cool trivia?! Amazing Maze caught me by suprise to. > And "Demolition Derby" went on to improve itself, in the arcades. > Is it really the same game? > And by the way, here's a kicker for ya... people always say that > Bally did not own the rights to Pac-Man, so Muncher was illegal and > unsellable. Not really true... guess who made the arcade original? > > Same with Space Invaders... Midway had a version in the arcades that > was just as legit as the official Taito release. So why change the > name of the program, and act as if they were not a real licensee? True Bally/Midway owned the 'Coin-op' rights to PacMan (c)Namco, Space Invaders (c)Tatio and Galaxian (c)Namco. Unfortunatly, Atari (Unexpectedly) aquired the 'Home' rights to PacMan and Galaxian from Namco. As before this, 'Home' rights were never a question. This caused Bally and a few others to have to change the names of several games they didn't own the Home Rights to. (See history of Emerson Arcadia) Lance F. Squire http://www.alteeve.com/~lance/Ballyfaq.html From jwkrych@n... Wed Mar 13 14:13:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 13 Mar 2002 22:13:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 64241 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 22:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2002 22:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.77) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 22:13:14 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.123] by n27.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2002 22:13:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:13:12 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Great News!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1078 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.66.44.195 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Okay gang! This is what I have been hoping for. An engineer at work is an expert in VHDL and is interested in replicating the custom chips of the BPA!! Okay, I am getting all the docs I know of, to send him. Tony, your help will be MOST appreciated in this. I am going to have Matt join this group. He's 26 and at least remembers the BPA. He is already into emulation for the Atari 8-bit line. I am also going to look at getting the MAME source code for the Astrocade chipset code. Hey, where is that guy who wrote the MESS driver for the Astrocade??? His code would very much help Matt out! This is going to allow us what the old Astrcade could never do. We can have our motherboard replacement!!! And, also have it in high- res!!! Plus a few other items and such! Us hardware guys will need to get together, however, Adam, Lance, and the rest(I'll be in contact with Mike White), let's discuss what we would like to have for a motherboard replacement. And once finalized, that would be it-creeper features are not wanted in this! Okay gang! Here goes!!! Jim From palazzol@c... Wed Mar 13 20:17:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: palazzol@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 04:17:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 64184 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 04:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 04:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.comcast.net) (24.153.64.2) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 04:17:45 -0000 Received: from pagels (pcp01182125pcs.strl1201.mi.comcast.net [68.60.202.189]) by mtaout45-02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSY007293XKRP@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:17:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:17:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Great News!!! In-reply-to: To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <3C8FDE05.19238.5224D77@l...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal From: Frank Palazzolo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99293129 X-Yahoo-Profile: knarfian > Hey, > where is that guy who wrote the MESS driver for the Astrocade??? His > code would very much help Matt out! He's still here :) The code is available from www.mess.org. The best reference to the innards of those chips is a combination of the Nutting Manual, and U.S. Patent #4301503. The patent contains mostly-complete logic digrams for the chips. While developing some of the emulator code, I had printed out all the relevant pages and scotch-taped them all together to create big drawings. I still don't have the noise-generator implemented correctly, but I've had little time for such things lately...with a new son and all. Good luck if someone has the time to do this. Let me know if you have questions and I can try to answer them, albeit slowly... -Frank From jwkrych@n... Thu Mar 14 02:15:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 10:15:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 58987 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 10:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 10:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.61) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 10:15:11 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.39] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2002 10:15:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:15:08 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great News!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C8FDE05.19238.5224D77@l...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 263 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.66.44.195 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Thanks Frank! I am sending Matt the reference US Patent you mentioned. I have tried to get the source code from the site mentioned and no go. Do you still have those files on the patent, or can I go to the Patent OIffice Site and pull the needed files? Jim From palazzol@c... Thu Mar 14 04:30:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: palazzol@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 12:30:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 42987 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 12:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 12:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.comcast.net) (24.153.64.2) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 12:30:24 -0000 Received: from pagels (pcp01182125pcs.strl1201.mi.comcast.net [68.60.202.189]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSY005QDQQNLS@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:30:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:30:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Great News!!! In-reply-to: To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <3C905179.23658.6E55EC6@l...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal References: <3C8FDE05.19238.5224D77@l...> From: Frank Palazzolo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99293129 X-Yahoo-Profile: knarfian > I have tried to get the source code from the site mentioned and no go. Hmm...works for me - under win32, clicking on the word "Core" in the source column. > Do you still have those files on the patent, or can I go to the > Patent OIffice Site and pull the needed files? I did a quick search, but it looks like I dont have them any more. However, you can go to here: http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html then search by number, and click on "images" at the bottom. I just did this and I now had to install a tiff viewer plugin for IE in order to see the images. The site says to use the one from here: http://www.alternatiff.com/ Worked for me. Good luck, Frank From ballyalley@h... Thu Mar 14 04:35:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 14 Mar 2002 12:35:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 77999 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 12:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2002 12:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.162) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 12:35:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 04:35:18 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:35:17 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade patent Link Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 04:35:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 12:35:18.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2EC0C30:01C1CB54] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo The link for the Astrocade patent 4301503 has been at Bally Alley since October 26, 2000: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/links.html The actual link to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office is: http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='4301503'.WKU.&OS=PN/4301503&RS=PN/4301503 The page will seem like it's only a text version of the document, but there is more. If you click on the Images button, you can view the whole document (including the drawings), one page at a time, using Quicktime. There is a LOT of stuff in there. It would be much better if the pages were pdf, but they're not. You can also order the document directly from the site (but not in an electronic version, only paper format). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From matt_01000010@y... Fri Mar 15 19:48:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_01000010@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 16 Mar 2002 03:48:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20957 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 03:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2002 03:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.53) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 03:48:49 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.164] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2002 03:48:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:48:46 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great News!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_01000010" X-Originating-IP: 162.40.59.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105823670 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_01000010 > This is what I have been hoping for. An engineer at work is an > expert in VHDL and is interested in replicating the custom chips > of the BPA!! First post from said expert ;) I've looked over the patent, nutting manual, and bpa.pdf from tony. I think I have a decent idea of what the system hardware's doing (there are a few holes I still need filled listed below). Here's what I have in mind so far: 1) The entire logical system can be replicated in an FPGA (probably a Xilinx Spartan2 200 (which costs ~$24)). This means Z80 soft core processor, microcyclor (plus misc bus glue logic), address chip, data chip and i/o chip all in one chip. I like VHDL so that would be my perfered choice for coding. 2) System ROM and video RAM can be replaced by one 256Kb (32KB) FRAM. FRAM is produced by Ramtron (www.ramtron.com). It is a non- volatile memory with unlimited write cycles. The part I had in mind is FM18L08 which has an 8 bit data bus and 130ns cycle times. This part costs around $6. This will require some modification of the microcyclor but should be transparently implementable with respect to the Z80 code. 32KB would be enough for 16KB for the System ROM and 16KB for the Video RAM; doubling both from the current specs. 3) There will need to be a few voltage translation parts (244s or 245s) for external signals going to the cassette, expansion port, controllers, and keypad. The new system will be 3.3V but any legacy components pluged into the BPA board will need to be driven at 5V signal levels (I assume we're interfacing with CMOS not TTL parts). 4) The power supply will need to be able to supply +5, +3.3, and +2.5. We can probably use an of-the-shelf switching power supply brick and run directly off line. Another other option would be to get a wall transformer and some regulators. 5) There is some other analog circuitry that will need to be on the board for the video, audio, and controllers. Here are some holes I need filled in: 1) What is the actual clock speed in the system? The system clock is listed as 1.7MHz in the service manual. Is this correct and exact? (Note that we no longer will need the pxclk since the DRAM is removed.) Also, does anyone know what frequencies can be generated from the music processor? I'm guessing that the game code is relying on the fact that the processor runs at a certain speed. I've not seen a timer circuit so my guess is delays are implemented with for loops. Therefore, a change in the system speed will result in a proportional change in game speed. We probably want to emulate the system as close to orginal as possible then. 2) Jim mentioned that there are changes to the video output (conversion of the RF to composite or s-video). Do we want to incorperate these changes directly into the system and bypass the translation. 3) The i/o chip has an adc for the controller pot reading. Does someone have a circuit for the pot? I think we can probably use a TI adc but I need to know hows it actually is hooked up. Another option would be to modify the controllers to output digital pwm signal. I don't know if this is feasible or not. 4) What's the plan for getting actual hardware? Does anyone have PCB design tools? Equipment for SMT work? Know of a board house to build and/or assemble boards? Some random thoughts for additional features: 1) Memory expansion. Memory is cheap (as compared to 1978) so why bother switching cassettes when one flash chip could store every game ever made 10 times over. A feature could be added to switch a sector of memory in and out depending on which image you'd like to run. This memory could be physically on the board or a removeable card, such as compact flash or a PSX/PS2 memory card. The latter would be my choice because it's designed for a gaming enviroment. (Legal issues of course may exist.) A menu system could be added to the System ROM to list the avaliable games on the memory card. 2) Controller alternitives. We could modify the controller inputs to something a little more ergonomic or cool. The former being add a port for a PSX/PS2 controller, the latter being Jim's Devastator. A controller frontend can be added to translate either controllers inputs to the ones expected by the BPA. 3) Networking or USB. Ick! Too much work for the first go!! Put down the crack pipe and smell the coffee!!! If you haven't guessed, I don't think we want to tackle either of these deceptively easy sounding features right now. They're not as easy as they sound (I know from personal experience and have the scars to prove it). This would be a nice add-on once we're all tired of playing on our nice shiny new BPA's and are looking for another challege. This should be a fun project. Let's get started ;) Matt From ballyalley@h... Sun Mar 17 05:47:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 17 Mar 2002 13:47:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 57082 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2002 13:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2002 13:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2002 13:47:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:05:58 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:05:58 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade emulator RAM save? Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:05:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2002 13:05:58.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[50909CC0:01C1CCEB] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Using the MESS emulator, how can I save the Astrocade RAM as a 4K file? I created a cart image that places hex values $12,$34,$56,$78,$90 starting at address $4000 (first byte of Astrocade RAM), and then, while running the Astrocade emulator, I was able to find the start of the Astrocade's memory using my editor (Win Hex) and then searching my computer's RAM for the aobve hex string. I thought the option in MESS "Save State" would save RAM as a file, but if it does, then I can't find the file. I NEED this feature, can't someone help me out? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ward.shrake@w... Mon Mar 18 12:07:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 20:07:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 61732 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 20:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 20:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 20:07:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 20:07:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:07:50 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cartridge listing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C8D99B1.6060508@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 8941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.39 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Lance F. Squire" wrote: (snip) > True Bally/Midway owned the 'Coin-op' > rights to PacMan (c)Namco, Space > Invaders (c)Tatio and Galaxian (c) > Namco. Unfortunatly, Atari > (Unexpectedly) aquired the 'Home' > rights to PacMan and Galaxian from Namco. > > As before this, 'Home' rights were never > a question. This caused Bally and a few > others to have to change the names of > several games they didn't own the Home > Rights to. (See history of Emerson Arcadia) Hey, you mean somebody actually read the stuff I wrote about the half- as-popular-as-the-Bally-BPA "Emerson Arcadia 2001" system? Coolness! Seriously, I think that is a perfect analogy, though, and would have brought it up in this (interesting) discussion if Lance hadn't. My big thing, lately, is trying to make known historical events fit into a bigger, wider context. I'm trying to backwards engineer what we know of gaming history, to find the "why" in terms of human needs and wants. To find the "cause and effect" relationships that were in place during a certain time period, based on physchology, common sense and the realities of the day. I'm looking at it as if it were a foreign culture from a different time period... because it really is. I feel that modern game historians need to tread very lightly when discussing home rights, arcade rights, and so on, for games of this period IF they truly want to understand the dynamics of why certain things took place. Historically, that thinking exists now but was just beginning to evolve during the time period we're discussing, so jumping to that conclusion prevents good understanding, in my view. It's vaguely like digging up a Native American ball-based gaming area, and trying to understand it in terms of the modern SuperBowl. You have to push modern thinking aside, and think in their terms. The idea of owning and enforcing game "rights" was unheard of until Atari (and others) began paying big bucks to license games, and then enforcing their rights by taking people to court. The idea of owning the rights to some game, and being able to prevent others from selling a game that looked and felt similar was still being invented in the early 1980's, and many companies of the period thought that it was pure legal insanity to claim you owned the idea behind some game. It was widely felt that as long as your object code was different, that what was seen or heard could be identical to a competitor's game. In other words, you could copy a competitors product or idea to some degree, but not totally. If you limited yourself a bit and did not go beyond some unspoken law's boundaries, that was good enough. >From what I've seen, back in the electro-mechanical arcade game era that preceeded modern video games, it was a big struggle just to find a legal niche in the marketplace, since many people thought of such games as illegal gambling devices. As such, they were often banned in some areas and could be taken or destroyed by the police when found. In that era, with that thinking, the VERY LAST thing that would occur to one competitor would be to take a fellow competitor to court, to try to say that they'd copied a game you made. The most likely result would be for you both to go to jail, both of you being fined, both of you having all of your game property seized, and your factories both being closed down. Things like the police and the court system were seen as the enemy, back then. If you had a problem with a competitor, you settled it amongst yourselves, quietly. You did not call the cops. There was likely a balance; unspoken rules that had evolved over a number of decades of marketplace competition. You had to know that if you did anything really nasty to your competitors, that they'd do it back to you, sooner or later. This implies that you had to self-limit your marketplace aggression, at least to some degree, if you wanted to survive very long in the marketplace. Here's where I see things radically diverging, and why. One of the biggest assumptions underlying the future planning of a company that existed in the electro-mechanical era was the idea that arcade companies were around for the long haul. Generations could actually call it a family business. You grew up in the business, just as your competitors did. You likely knew their names, and they knew about you. If they went out of business, there was a face attached. Video games were a short-term thing. Many people saw them as a fad, doomed to die a horrible marketplace death, no matter what happened. The bottom might drop out of the entire video game market next week, so you'd better get something good onto the market today, and hope to profit from it before the overall bubble burst. On top of that, some companies were quoted in reliable sources as saying that any given new video game had a shelf-life measured in weeks, or months at the most, and then sales would taper off to the point where you could not sustain yourself as a business entity, based on that single product. Those two ways of looking at things are not very compatible, to say the least. I'm sure arcade people were VERY afraid of the home market, for a variety of reasons that made good sense at the time. I think Ben's comments were right on the money, as far as cause-and- effect went. I'm sure that someone, somewhere within Bally's "we have been around for decades now" hierarchy saw the home market would be a force they could not easily compete with. I'm sure that they saw the home market as a competitor, and as a destabilizing force. In other words, the home market was a conflict of interest for some people; it stands to reason. And it is human nature to want to sabotage or kill off something that is working against what you see as your interests. I'm sure there was internal struggle, on some level. There had to be? It wouldn't make sense in human terms, if no such struggle existed. Looking back at what Atari (and others) did, when taking others to court and sueing them, I'm sure they felt justified simply from the point of view of wanting to stay alive; to survive in the market. I'm sure that from Atari's point of view, that they were just cutting the throats of people that had made it clear that they intended to cut Atari's throat, if given half a chance to do so? (There had to be a reason that names like "pirates" were applied to such groups?) I am sure that both sides felt justified in their actions, from their own seperate points of view. And that the big question became, who had more knives, and was more willingness to use them on others, first. All of which helps me to grasp some general issues regarding the hidden history of this machine and its games, but leaves some other specific questions partly or wholly unanswered, in my mind. It still bugs me... why would Bally NOT release their finished, good quality home version of Pac-Man? If I fully understood Mike White's verbal history of the game, it simply showed up unannounced, as it exists today, in some insider's personal collection. It had obviously been written. Bally was the most likely culprit to have written it. The home rights were not an issue early on, or were not much of one. The game was named "Pac-Man" right on the screen itself; it was never called "Muncher" originally. That name came later, only after it was spread around to the faithful few in the Bally system fan's inner circle. And it technically was never officially released... it was copied in a few relatively small batches, by fans of the system, and sold via ads in the few newsletters made by and for fans. One large exception to this was a single store, if I understood it correctly; the Montgomery Wards chain apparently sold it over the counter at one point, farther down the road. (As "Muncher" not as "Pac-Man"; this might have been after the Odyssey2 system lawsuits over KC Munchkin?) In my view at present, the only thing that fully makes sense is that Bally had an internal conflict of interest, and made a decision based on that conflict. They knew they had a very good thing going in the arcades. They knew or felt that it was not a wise move to kill the golden goose by trying to compete their arcade success, by releasing a high quality home version of the game. So they decided to just put the completed game in a safe spot, and not to tell anyone they had it. At some later point, someone else "discovered it" and it slowly began to leak out to others, circle by circle, over the years. It is likely that it stayed secret when Bally was running things, but after they left the home market, the conflict of interest was not perceived as affecting the new people involved, hence its unofficial release. Ward Shrake "Ward's Tech Corner" web site: http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ From ward.shrake@w... Mon Mar 18 14:19:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 22:19:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 59322 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 22:19:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 22:19:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:19:36 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cartridge listing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 10857 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.148 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > >> > And by the way, here's a kicker for ya... > people always say that Bally did not own > the rights to Pac-Man, so Muncher was > illegal and unsellable. Not really true... > guess who made the arcade original? > >> > > Bally didn't own the Bally Professional > Arcade anymore by the time Muncher was > released. The new owner, Astrovision/ > Astrocade, was a completely different > company and they had nothing at all to > do with Midways's license of Namco's > game Pacman. This new company would > have had to license the game from > Namco, and this would have been AFTER > Pac-man 'fever' swept the U.S.; that > license probably would not have come cheaply. I realize that what you're saying is correct... I just don't think it fully answers the root question. It does help to explain some later events, such as the new owner's actions, but it does not deal with earlier things, that by their very nature would be harder to see clearly. (If a person or group is doing something sneaky, they don't announce it. They do what they can to hide their real motivations.) I'm convinced that Bally had internal struggles, and that there were factions of the company that were going in two different directions. That period of turmoil is becoming more and more interesting to me, as a student of human behavior and as an amateur gaming historian. The way I see it, at this point... One group of people working for Bally was apparently the stereotype of a very young and idealistic crowd. They obviously wanted consumers to have the best possible home versions of various arcade games. The power-per-kilobyte that they built into the system implies that they had visions of becoming the dominant force in the marketplace in the near future, and for the long term. They felt that arcade games were doomed, largely because they were quickly out of vogue, expensive to make, and were not easily altered to become a new game. They likely felt that the fact that their programs could be altered simply by inserting a new game cartridge, made home systems superior. The home market would inevitably become more important than arcades. (Which is the case today, so this thinking was very advanced for the time.) In some way, they were working towards making that into a reality. From their point of view, the backward-thinking dinosaurs in the company were going to sink the boat, if they were allowed to, so aggressive action must be taken against them to insure the company survived. Another group of people working at Bally was apparently much more cynical and worldly; the stereotype of an older business person with a history going back generations. They apparently felt that home games were a fad, doomed to die soon, and that it was in Bally's own best long-term interests to have a monopoly on a number of their games, in the arcades, as their long term survival depended on it. To protect their own interests, they'd have to fight against the first group, who from this group's point of view was crazy and dangerous. Seeing it as a fight against a predator who had attacked them first, it would not be hard for them to justify sabotaging their opponent's efforts, even though they were supposedly "on the same side". From their point of view they were just team players, protecting the team from a bunch of misguided youngsters with no grasp of the business. That much, I can more or less imagine clearly, at this point. > Is there any way to check on Bally's > sale of the BPA? Would this be part > of public records? The Wall Street > Journal was keeping tabs on it in the > beginning of the 1980's; where would > they have gotten the information? Where things start to go wonky, is in the period that Adam mentioned, when the Bally home division was being sold. I don't think we can get a more perfect understanding of the way things really worked, until we can find out who actually ordered the sale, and under what rules? Was it the second group, that had "won" the internal struggle, now banishing their internal opponents; casting them out of the kingdom? Was it partly a decision of the first group, hoping that being a seperate entity would rid them of interference by the second group? Or was it an outside force? If so, whom might that group be? I can see a number of "possibles"... one involves parties that were then involved with the bankruptcy hearings. Were they seeing the internal struggles clearly, and trying to split the opponents apart for the long-term good of the company? Or was the division simply an asset, sold to pay off creditor debts without understanding bigger issues? For that matter, was Bally a publicly traded company at that time? Did they have stock meetings, share holders, and obligations to report on their various divisions' new profits or lack thereof? Also, how was the new merger between Bally and Midway handled? Did anything really change, other than the way the company listed itself on its arcade game marqees of the time? Whom was put in charge, if there were changes in personnel? And whom was ousted, in the process? (In 1981, game marquees began saying "Bally / Midway" instead of the long-term former way of describing Midway as being "A Bally co.") Did the new management there (if any) radically change the "new" company's outlook on the way the business should be run? Which group did they side with, if any? Or did they see both groups as being correct to some extent, with coexistance a very real possibility? Why did the new "Bally / Midway" company start to license games to companies like Commodore, around late 1981 or sometime during 1982? That marks a huge change in the thinking of that arcade division; one they simply would not have had any part in, a few years earlier. One possible cause for some if not most of this change in thinking would be that Atari managed to make millions upon millions in the home market, after licensing titles like Pac-Man, without really affecting arcade sales much at all. So in a sense, the industry was a lot larger than either of the Bally groups imagined it was, earlier. Seeing two seperate markets that were obviously both capable of making many millions, must have been a heady thing at the time? This is the kind of stuff that intrigues me, nowadays. It is nice to know the name of an individual game programmer, or a bit of history about one game product, but my interest is tending towards the larger trends, affecting either the entire industry or one sub-section of it. I suppose this is a natural by-product of my being involved with investigating so many competing companies -- Bally, Commodore, Emerson, etc -- from the same marketplace and period of time? In part, some of this reminds me of a humorous and thought-provoking concept portrayed in the book "1984". A political speech is being given, naming certain enemies and facts to the public. As the speech progresses, the speech-giver is handed new notes. He reads them as he continues giving the speech. When he is done reading, he continues on with the speech as before... only now the roles of political friends and enemies has quietly reversed itself. The whole idea changed, but before and after it, the party line was "we know what we're doing". The public stumbles briefly, then picks up on the new changes, and adjusts it chants accordingly. I see that as just being a basic part of human nature. No one wants to admit they are simply stumbling around in the dark, blindly. Even if they are most people like to pretend, to preserve their dignity. In gaming circles, I can see a lot of impassioned board room speeches being made about how this or that current theory about the overall marketplace is "obviously" correct. And when the market proves itself to be other than the way it was originally described, the board just quietly boots that person out of power, blaming all past ills on them and their "lack of vision". (When they'd agreed with him, all along.) They replace him or her with someone that now says the new theory is "obviously" correct. That works great until the market itself either actually changes, or is redefined when a competitor succeeds in some area that conventional wisdom says they'll fail in. At which point the company plays musical chairs with leadership once again, either blaming ousted leaders for their problems, or claiming the business language equivalent of "we meant to do that" to save face. I imagine lots of that type of thinking, during the early 1980's. It happens today, too, but judging the past is easier; we have more info than they did, and we know how these things eventually worked out. And this is why I'm very skeptical of applying current-day logic to the events of twenty years ago... a theory is only good until the reality proves it is not good. And once one theory is rejected as false, it will be very difficult to find anyone that will admit they thought the world was flat, all along, until someone circumnavigated it. It is more likely that belief will be quietly shoved into a big dark closet, piled on top of other such discarded beliefs that were once considered "obvious" or "gospel". Reading through old business newspapers like the "Wall Street Journal" may seem boring or even off-topic, but it is one of the only ways that we today can actually hear "of course the world is flat, everyone knows it is flat" coming out of people's mouths, enmasse. Because people will deny such things later, enmasse, and attempt to culturally forget all about it, there is a very real danger to we historians that such things will actually be forgotten. At that time, we no longer understand these people, or why they did what they did. Example: during the 1970's games for the home market were considered to be a "Christmas only" sales thing. As a result, good luck finding any old ads for home Pong systems and the like by researching old mass-media publications like National Geographic, during any months but November and December. At one time, it was "obvious" this was true... until Atari took a chance, and sold them well in January. At that point, it became "obvious" they were a year-around sales item. I'm finding out that a lot of things that seem to make no sense to us as we are looking back in hindsight, do actually make a lot of sense when considered in its real historical context, given the info that the people then had to base their forward-looking decisions on. But none of it makes any sense until you see both the reportable facts AND you also have the then-current assumptions to couple them with. Ward Shrake "Ward's Tech Corner" web site: http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ From cybpunks@h... Mon Mar 18 14:46:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 18 Mar 2002 22:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 56409 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 22:46:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:46:17 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 32K RAM Expansion Device Feature Wish List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "cybpunks" X-Originating-IP: 63.206.157.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: cybpunks I would want it to support bidirectional RS232 so that you could: a) load games b) allow games to load in more chunks of itself on demand (ala a Supercharger multiload) c) allow for Bally<>Bally or Bally<>PC networking in games. I'd also want it to allow you to load into banked RAM all at once so you could have large games. From cybpunks@h... Mon Mar 18 16:20:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 00:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 21486 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 22:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2002 22:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 22:38:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2002 22:38:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:38:11 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 32K SRAM memory project Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "cybpunks" X-Originating-IP: 63.206.157.78 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: cybpunks I think it would be cool if this device could hardware-emulate the arcade architectures too, so you could play the arcade Wizard of Wor and Gorf ROMs on it (with speech too if possible). Then it would have a lot of value to it. From ballyalley@h... Mon Mar 18 17:56:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 01:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 96159 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 01:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 01:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.119) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 01:56:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:56:03 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:56:03 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: 32K SRAM memory project Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:56:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2002 01:56:03.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[39D9A030:01C1CEE9] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Then it would have a lot of value to it. >> It's gonna have a LOT of value anyway, regardless of arcade emulation... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From jwkrych@n... Mon Mar 18 19:54:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 03:54:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 30600 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 03:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 03:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 03:54:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2002 03:54:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:54:40 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: A status report Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2617 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.66.45.113 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Hi All! A little status report from the Hardy Boys! (Here's some triva, which computer team called themselves that?-hint, it's in a book from the late 70's early 80's!!!) I believe that we have all that we need for the Hardware Team. Once Tony get's in touch with us, to help out Matt, we will settle on the final design specs. I have another technician, from my workplace, to help me out, and an old buddy of mine has agreed to do the PCB layout! So we have the following people for the Hardy Boys: Tony Matt Jim (me) John Marty (PCB engineer) (Matt, John, Marty and I are all from Ohio.) Matt will better explain how his progress has been. Now, here is what I envision, from my conversations with Matt, and from the posts here. Preliminary Specs for Astrocade II FPGA replicated Custom Chips Stand-alone Z80 or in core Z80 (this means that the entire Astrocade is on one chip) A simple MMU for paged memory-depends on which style we use. A '612 clone would allow 4K pages, and up to 1MB paged memory A 512K x 8 SRAM for "standard memory", 16K for video and the rest system. Of course when the system boots up, it will be in consumer mode. Commercial mode would be software selectable. Same 4 input ports Expansion connector on the motherboard Where the old expansion port is, we now have: a 5-pin DIN connector for Audio, Comp(color) Video, Gnd, and Luma and Chroms(which will be S-video) RF modulator section is totally eliminated And, a high-speed serial port. Easier and less involved than a USB. This will allow connection between the BPA and a PC(to load/save), or between BPA's. Finally, a PS/2 keyboard port so you can type away with a real keyboard. A Flash ROM to store alot of carts. We will use one of the hefty table supplies from Jameco, either 14 or 23 Watts. Basically, other than a view from the back, and a new sticker, you won't know the difference from the outside. Upon bootup, we could change a few things for the screen. I conceive of a slightly changed menu in which we can select "Load from PC" Okay, what Frank could do, is write a quick and dirty "Astrocade II" server on the PC, so the PC and the BPA will communicate through the serial cable. SOme tweaking of the OS will be needed. From what Mike White has told me, we can modify one of the extended BASICS to take advantage of the new features. Once we start, and the specs are finalized, I will keep everyone posted as to how things are going. We are going to need a group of guys get together for the Z80 code. Adam, can you take the lead and run that end of the team, the Micro Kids? :) Jim From komb@s... Mon Mar 18 20:15:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 19 Mar 2002 04:15:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 36404 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 04:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2002 04:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 04:15:23 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020319041522.KZBR13311.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:15:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3C96BB2F.3080503@s...> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:14:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Cartridge listing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > Hey, you mean somebody actually read the stuff I wrote about the half- > as-popular-as-the-Bally-BPA "Emerson Arcadia 2001" system? Coolness! > I try to know about all the systems of the time. Even now. The O^2 and LeasureVision, as I knew it, have been the hardest to find any real info on. Though alot has come to light in the last few years. :) >Also, how was the new merger between Bally and Midway handled? Did >anything really change, other than the way the company listed itself >on its arcade game marqees of the time? Whom was put in charge, if >there were changes in personnel? And whom was ousted, in the process? >(In 1981, game marquees began saying "Bally / Midway" instead of the >long-term former way of describing Midway as being "A Bally co.") I caught some of this early on. Thought was it a merger? It was "A Bally Co.". As I understand it: Bally sees the arcade videogame market has limited potential. So, they set up a small company, Midway, to make the beastly little things. :) Smartly, the keep a leash on it.("a Bally Co.") When the market dries up as expected and Midway goes under, Bally gets to keep any new tech for there slot mancines and Pinball machines. The bottom line of Bally is never affected. They maintained a save distance, and life goes on as before. As the market proves stable and hugely profitable, Bally moves it's name into the fore to proclaim it's self as the power behind the craze. Thus the Bally/Midway labeling. Having never been that close to a company's internal workings, as I am now. I never considered what was happening within. I unfortunatly, have no concept of when the PacMan cart was originally written. I came into this system with the Astrovision,(Free BASIC) units. only seeing breaf mentions of Muncher (Bally's version of PacMan) in the Arcadia news letters. Mail order from the states was way out of the question at the time. From matt_01000010@y... Tue Mar 19 18:20:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_01000010@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 02:20:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 11422 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 02:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 02:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 02:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 02:20:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:20:44 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A status report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1386 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_01000010" X-Originating-IP: 162.40.35.164 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105823670 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_01000010 > Matt will better explain how his progress has been. Ok. I've found code for a Z80 core from this project: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zxgate/ The core is a little too big but I've looked the code over and think I can rewrite it to take advantage of the Block RAM in the Spartan2 FPGA. This should cut the size down. I'm not going to start this until this weekend when I have enough time to think about it. I've found code for a PS/2 keyboard controller from the OpenCores project (www.opencores.org). It was written in Verilog but I converted it to VHDL (I'm going to submit the code port back to the project). I also got a 16550 UART from OpenCores (again in Verilog but it's on it's way into to VHDL). I'm going to knock out a simple demo on a Virtex2 development board I have to get started. The Virtex2 part on the board is the 1M gate part so there will be plenty of room for me to play. The demo will be the Z80 core with the PS/2 keyboard and two serial ports (one for status and one for debug). This will give me a base system to test the custom chips with. It will probably take a couple weekends to integrate the cores and debug the base system. I'm still reviewing the material for the custom chips. I'll generate a block diagram of the pieces we'll need for the system so we have a road map of what needs done. That's it so far Matt From fmillera@p... Tue Mar 19 19:19:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 03:19:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 38862 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 03:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 03:19:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 03:19:02 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.240.110]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GT9005WE57KD2@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:19:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:18:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Great News!!! In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020319190230.00accc28@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2936752==_.ALT" References: From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_2936752==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:48 AM 3/16/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > This is what I have been hoping for. An engineer at work is an > > expert in VHDL and is interested in replicating the custom chips > > of the BPA!! > >First post from said expert ;) > > >I've looked over the patent, nutting manual, and bpa.pdf from tony. >I think I have a decent idea of what the system hardware's doing >(there are a few holes I still need filled listed below). > >Here's what I have in mind so far: > >1) The entire logical system can be replicated in an FPGA (probably a >Xilinx Spartan2 200 (which costs ~$24)). This means Z80 soft core >processor, microcyclor (plus misc bus glue logic), address chip, data >chip and i/o chip all in one chip. I like VHDL so that would be my >perfered choice for coding. Matt; Hopefully you've had enough experience with FPGAs not to believe the BS advertising that claims millions of gates at zillions of megahertz. I would caution against putting a Z80 core in, since they're cheap and available. >2) System ROM and video RAM can be replaced by one 256Kb (32KB) >FRAM. FRAM is produced by Ramtron (www.ramtron.com). It is a non- >volatile memory with unlimited write cycles. The part I had in mind >is FM18L08 which has an 8 bit data bus and 130ns cycle times. This >part costs around $6. This will require some modification of the >microcyclor but should be transparently implementable with respect to >the Z80 code. 32KB would be enough for 16KB for the System ROM and >16KB for the Video RAM; doubling both from the current specs. Isn't standard SRAM cheaper? >3) There will need to be a few voltage translation parts (244s or >245s) for external signals going to the cassette, expansion port, >controllers, and keypad. The new system will be 3.3V but any legacy >components pluged into the BPA board will need to be driven at 5V >signal levels (I assume we're interfacing with CMOS not TTL parts). > >4) The power supply will need to be able to supply +5, +3.3, and >+2.5. We can probably use an of-the-shelf switching power supply >brick and run directly off line. Another other option would be to >get a wall transformer and some regulators. The former is better than the latter. Wall transformers usually don't put out enough soup. >5) There is some other analog circuitry that will need to be on the >board for the video, audio, and controllers. > > >Here are some holes I need filled in: > >1) What is the actual clock speed in the system? The system clock is >listed as 1.7MHz in the service manual. Is this correct and exact? >(Note that we no longer will need the pxclk since the DRAM is >removed.) Also, does anyone know what frequencies can be generated >from the music processor? The processor clock is 17.8 MHZ, and stops on every line for synchronization purposes (to the video) The way the system used to work is that Z80 accesses had to be synchronous to the video. Of course, with the appropriate FIFO or handshake, this is not a requirement. In order to generate NTSC video timing, you need to start with 14.318 MHz or (better) comply with the old CCIR601 @ 27MHZ which makes NTSC/PAL timing support straightforward. This is especially important if the plan is to generate composite or YC that is to be recorded. >I'm guessing that the game code is relying on the fact that the >processor runs at a certain speed. I've not seen a timer circuit so >my guess is delays are implemented with for loops. Therefore, a >change in the system speed will result in a proportional change in >game speed. We probably want to emulate the system as close to >orginal as possible then. AFIK, there are no software timing loops. There is a line interrupt for timing purposes which is typically programmed to go on the same line of every field. >2) Jim mentioned that there are changes to the video output >(conversion of the RF to composite or s-video). Do we want to >incorperate these changes directly into the system and bypass the >translation. I would strongly suggest outputting RGB digital, then sending it through external circuitry to generate whatever. That way, RGB analog, YC or composite is straightfoward. I know of no converter chips that will take R-Y, B-Y Y. The all take RGB digital or Cr Cb Y @ 4:1:1, 4:2:2, etc. The only reason the original output R-Y, etc., was to work directly with the modulator that ASTEC was making for us. Other4 than that R-Y, etc is a major hassle. Working in RGB space may require internal lookup tables to generate the appropriate color, however. But I think the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. >3) The i/o chip has an adc for the controller pot reading. Does >someone have a circuit for the pot? I think we can probably use a TI >adc but I need to know hows it actually is hooked up. Another option >would be to modify the controllers to output digital pwm signal. I >don't know if this is feasible or not. I believe the original did something like firing a oneshot from time to time, and the pot controlled the period. When the oneshot fires, a counter starts which stops when the oneshot times out. The digital value is then read from the counter. (But I could be wrong, never paid much attention to how that part of the IO chip works. >4) What's the plan for getting actual hardware? Does anyone have PCB >design tools? Equipment for SMT work? Know of a board house to >build and/or assemble boards? Here's a suggestion: Don't use any parts that can't be bought from Digikey, and for a reasonable price. Your mention of VirtexII with million gates is nifty, but we just bought XCV2-600s or whatevers for only $4500.00 each. You won't find too many group members willing to go for those! >Some random thoughts for additional features: > >1) Memory expansion. Memory is cheap (as compared to 1978) so why >bother switching cassettes when one flash chip could store every game >ever made 10 times over. A feature could be added to switch a sector >of memory in and out depending on which image you'd like to run. >This memory could be physically on the board or a removeable card, >such as compact flash or a PSX/PS2 memory card. The latter would be >my choice because it's designed for a gaming enviroment. (Legal >issues of course may exist.) A menu system could be added to the >System ROM to list the avaliable games on the memory card. Sounds good >2) Controller alternitives. We could modify the controller inputs to >something a little more ergonomic or cool. The former being add a >port for a PSX/PS2 controller, the latter being Jim's Devastator. A >controller frontend can be added to translate either controllers >inputs to the ones expected by the BPA. > >3) Networking or USB. Ick! Too much work for the first go!! Put >down the crack pipe and smell the coffee!!! If you haven't guessed, >I don't think we want to tackle either of these deceptively easy >sounding features right now. They're not as easy as they sound (I >know from personal experience and have the scars to prove it). This >would be a nice add-on once we're all tired of playing on our nice >shiny new BPA's and are looking for another challege. > > >This should be a fun project. Let's get started ;) > >Matt > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_2936752==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 03:48 AM 3/16/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> This is what I have been hoping for. An engineer at work is an
> expert in VHDL and is interested in replicating the custom chips
> of the BPA!!

First post from said expert ;)


I've looked over the patent, nutting manual, and bpa.pdf from tony. 
I think I have a decent idea of what the system hardware's doing
(there are a few holes I still need filled listed below).

Here's what I have in mind so far:

1) The entire logical system can be replicated in an FPGA (probably a
Xilinx Spartan2 200 (which costs ~$24)).  This means Z80 soft core
processor, microcyclor (plus misc bus glue logic), address chip, data
chip and i/o chip all in one chip.  I like VHDL so that would be my
perfered choice for coding.

Matt;

Hopefully you've had enough experience with FPGAs not to believe the BS advertising that claims millions of gates at zillions of megahertz.  I would caution against putting a Z80 core in, since they're cheap and available.

2) System ROM and video RAM can be replaced by one 256Kb (32KB)
FRAM.  FRAM is produced by Ramtron (www.ramtron.co= m). It is a non-
volatile memory with unlimited write cycles.  The part I had in mind
is FM18L08 which has an 8 bit data bus and 130ns cycle times.  This
part costs around $6.  This will require some modification of the
microcyclor but should be transparently implementable with respect to
the Z80 code.  32KB would be enough for 16KB for the System ROM and
16KB for the Video RAM; doubling both from the current specs.

Isn't standard SRAM cheaper?

3) There will need to be a few voltage translation parts (244s or
245s) for external signals going to the cassette, expansion port,
controllers, and keypad.  The new system will be 3.3V but any legacy
components pluged into the BPA board will need to be driven at 5V
signal levels (I assume we're interfacing with CMOS not TTL parts).

4) The power supply will need to be able to supply +5, +3.3, and
+2.5.  We can probably use an of-the-shelf switching power supply
brick and run directly off line.  Another other option would be to
get a wall transformer and some regulators.

The former is better than the latter.  Wall transformers usually don't put out enough soup.

5) There is some other analog circuitry that will need to be on the
board for the video, audio, and controllers.


Here are some holes I need filled in:

1) What is the actual clock speed in the system?  The system clock is
listed as 1.7MHz in the service manual.  Is this correct and exact? 
(Note that we no longer will need the pxclk since the DRAM is
removed.)  Also, does anyone know what frequencies can be generated
from the music processor?

The processor clock is 17.8 MHZ, and stops on every line for synchronization purposes (to the video)  The way the system used to work is that Z80 accesses had to be synchronous to the video.  Of course, with the appropriate FIFO or handshake, this is not a requirement.  In order to generate NTSC video timing, you need to start with 14.318 MHz or (better) comply with the old CCIR601 @ 27MHZ which makes NTSC/PAL timing support straightforward.  This is especially important if the plan is to generate composite or YC that is to be recorded.


I'm guessing that the game code is relying on the fact that the
processor runs at a certain speed.  I've not seen a timer circuit so
my guess is delays are implemented with for loops.  Therefore, a
change in the system speed will result in a proportional change in
game speed.  We probably want to emulate the system as close to
orginal as possible then.

AFIK, there are no software timing loops. There is a line interrupt for timing purposes which is typically programmed to go on the same line of every field.

2) Jim mentioned that there are changes to the video output
(conversion of the RF to composite or s-video).  Do we want to=20
incorperate these changes directly into the system and bypass the
translation.

I would strongly suggest outputting RGB digital, then sending it through external circuitry to generate whatever.  That way, RGB analog, YC or composite is straightfoward.  I know of no converter chips that will take R-Y, B-Y Y.  The all take RGB digital or Cr Cb Y @ 4:1:1, 4:2:2, etc.  The only reason the original output R-Y, etc., was to work directly with the modulator that ASTEC was making for us.  Other4 than that R-Y, etc is a major hassle.  Working in RGB space may require internal lookup tables to generate the appropriate color, however.  But I think the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.


3) The i/o chip has an adc for the controller pot reading.  Does
someone have a circuit for the pot?  I think we can probably use a TI
adc but I need to know hows it actually is hooked up.  Another option
would be to modify the controllers to output digital pwm signal.  I
don't know if this is feasible or not.


I believe the original did something like firing a oneshot from time to time, and the pot controlled the period.  When the oneshot fires, a counter starts which stops when the oneshot times out.  The digital value is then read from the counter.  (But I could be wrong, never paid much attention to how that part of the IO chip works.


4) What's the plan for getting actual hardware?  Does anyone have PCB
design tools?  Equipment for SMT work?  Know of a board house to
build and/or assemble boards?

Here's a suggestion:  Don't use any parts that can't be bought from Digikey, and for a reasonable price.  Your mention of VirtexII with million gates is nifty, but we just bought XCV2-600s or whatevers for only $4500.00 each.  You won't find too many group members willing to go for those!


Some random thoughts for additional features:

1) Memory expansion.  Memory is cheap (as compared to 1978) so why
bother switching cassettes when one flash chip could store every game
ever made 10 times over.  A feature could be added to switch a sector
of memory in and out depending on which image you'd like to run. 
This memory could be physically on the board or a removeable card,
such as compact flash or a PSX/PS2 memory card.  The latter would be
my choice because it's designed for a gaming enviroment.  (Legal
issues of course may exist.)  A menu system could be added to the
System ROM to list the avaliable games on the memory card.


Sounds good


2) Controller alternitives.  We could modify the controller inputs to
something a little more ergonomic or cool.  The former being add a
port for a PSX/PS2 controller, the latter being Jim's Devastator.  A
controller frontend can be added to translate either controllers
inputs to the ones expected by the BPA.

3) Networking or USB.  Ick!  Too much work for the first go!!  Put
down the crack pipe and smell the coffee!!!  If you haven't guessed,
I don't think we want to tackle either of these deceptively easy
sounding features right now.  They're not as easy as they sound (I
know from personal experience and have the scars to prove it).  This
would be a nice add-on once we're all tired of playing on our nice
shiny new BPA's and are looking for another challege.


This should be a fun project.  Let's get started  ;)

Matt






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--=====================_2936752==_.ALT-- From fmillera@p... Tue Mar 19 19:22:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 03:22:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 16315 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 03:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 03:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 03:22:16 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.240.110]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GT90050Y5D1JG@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:22:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:22:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] A status report In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020319192011.00ad0a58@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3132954==_.ALT" From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_3132954==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:54 AM 3/19/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All! > >A little status report from the Hardy Boys! (Here's some triva, which >computer team called themselves that?-hint, it's in a book from the >late 70's early 80's!!!) > >I believe that we have all that we need for the Hardware Team. Once >Tony get's in touch with us, to help out Matt, we will settle on the >final design specs. I have another technician, from my workplace, to >help me out, and an old buddy of mine has agreed to do the PCB >layout! So we have the following people for the Hardy Boys: >Tony >Matt >Jim (me) >John >Marty (PCB engineer) >(Matt, John, Marty and I are all from Ohio.) > >Matt will better explain how his progress has been. > >Now, here is what I envision, from my conversations with Matt, and >from the posts here. > >Preliminary Specs for Astrocade II >FPGA replicated Custom Chips >Stand-alone Z80 or in core Z80 >(this means that the entire Astrocade is on one chip) >A simple MMU for paged memory-depends on which style we use. A '612 >clone would allow 4K pages, and up to 1MB paged memory >A 512K x 8 SRAM for "standard memory", 16K for video and the rest >system. Of course when the system boots up, it will be in consumer >mode. Commercial mode would be software selectable. >Same 4 input ports >Expansion connector on the motherboard >Where the old expansion port is, we now have: a 5-pin DIN connector >for Audio, Comp(color) Video, Gnd, and Luma and Chroms(which will be >S-video) RF modulator section is totally eliminated >And, a high-speed serial port. Easier and less involved than a USB. Great idea, but someone needs to write a handler running on both ends to support this. >This will allow connection between the BPA and a PC(to load/save), or >between BPA's. >Finally, a PS/2 keyboard port so you can type away with a real >keyboard. >A Flash ROM to store alot of carts. >We will use one of the hefty table supplies from Jameco, either 14 or >23 Watts. Buy a digikey special. Same for all the parts. With the FPGA be programmable via PROM (expensive) or serial IF from a PC (cheap)? >Basically, other than a view from the back, and a new sticker, you >won't know the difference from the outside. Upon bootup, we could >change a few things for the screen. > >I conceive of a slightly changed menu in which we can select "Load >from PC" > >Okay, what Frank could do, is write a quick and dirty "Astrocade II" >server on the PC, so the PC and the BPA will communicate through the >serial cable. > >SOme tweaking of the OS will be needed. From what Mike White has told >me, we can modify one of the extended BASICS to take advantage of the >new features. > >Once we start, and the specs are finalized, I will keep everyone >posted as to how things are going. We are going to need a group of >guys get together for the Z80 code. Adam, can you take the lead and >run that end of the team, the Micro Kids? >:) > >Jim > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_3132954==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:54 AM 3/19/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Hi All!

A little status report from the Hardy Boys! (Here's some triva, which
computer team called themselves that?-hint, it's in a book from the
late 70's early 80's!!!)

I believe that we have all that we need for the Hardware Team. Once
Tony get's in touch with us, to help out Matt, we will settle on the
final design specs. I have another technician, from my workplace, to
help me out, and an old buddy of mine has agreed to do the PCB
layout! So we have the following people for the Hardy Boys:
Tony
Matt
Jim (me)
John
Marty (PCB engineer)
(Matt, John, Marty and I are all from Ohio.)

Matt will better explain how his progress has been.

Now, here is what I envision, from my conversations with Matt, and
from the posts here.

Preliminary Specs for Astrocade II
FPGA replicated Custom Chips
Stand-alone Z80 or in core Z80
(this means that the entire Astrocade is on one chip)
A simple MMU for paged memory-depends on which style we use. A '612
clone would allow 4K pages, and up to 1MB paged memory
A 512K x 8 SRAM for "standard memory", 16K for video and the rest
system. Of course when the system boots up, it will be in consumer
mode. Commercial mode would be software selectable.
Same 4 input ports
Expansion connector on the motherboard
Where the old expansion port is, we now have: a 5-pin DIN connector
for Audio, Comp(color) Video, Gnd, and Luma and Chroms(which will be
S-video) RF modulator section is totally eliminated
And, a high-speed serial port. Easier and less involved than a USB.


Great idea, but someone needs to write a handler running on both ends to support this.

This will allow connection between the BPA and a PC(to load/save), or
between BPA's.
Finally, a PS/2 keyboard port so you can type away with a real
keyboard.
A Flash ROM to store alot of carts.
We will use one of the hefty table supplies from Jameco, either 14 or
23 Watts.

Buy a digikey special.  Same for all the parts.  With the FPGA be programmable via PROM (expensive) or serial IF from a PC (cheap)?

Basically, other than a view from the back, and a new sticker, you
won't know the difference from the outside. Upon bootup, we could
change a few things for the screen.

I conceive of a slightly changed menu in which we can select "Load
from PC"

Okay, what Frank could do, is write a quick and dirty "Astrocade II"
server on the PC, so the PC and the BPA will communicate through the
serial cable.

SOme tweaking of the OS will be needed. From what Mike White has told
me, we can modify one of the extended BASICS to take advantage of the
new features.

Once we start, and the specs are finalized, I will keep everyone
posted as to how things are going. We are going to need a group of
guys get together for the Z80 code. Adam, can you take the lead and
run that end of the team, the Micro Kids?
:)

Jim





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--=====================_3132954==_.ALT-- From fmillera@p... Tue Mar 19 19:26:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 03:26:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 64599 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 03:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 03:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 03:26:49 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.240.110]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GT9005Z95KONP@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:26:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:26:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Great News!!! In-reply-to: <4.2.2.20020319190230.00accc28@p...> X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020319192408.00aaf9d8@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 07:18 PM 3/19/2002 -0800, you wrote: >At 03:48 AM 3/16/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Snip! >Matt; > >Hopefully you've had enough experience with FPGAs not to believe the BS >advertising that claims millions of gates at zillions of megahertz. I >would caution against putting a Z80 core in, since they're cheap and available. Sorry, this keyboard can't spell worth CR*P. I meant an external (i.e., non-integrated core) Z80 is cheap. Why not use it> >Snip again! Below, I mean 1.78, not 17.8! >The processor clock is 17.8 MHZ, and stops on every line for >synchronization purposes (to the video) The way the system used to work >is that Z80 accesses had to be synchronous to the video. Of course, with >the appropriate FIFO or handshake, this is not a requirement. In order to >generate NTSC video timing, you need to start with 14.318 MHz or (better) >comply with the old CCIR601 @ 27MHZ which makes NTSC/PAL timing support >straightforward. This is especially important if the plan is to generate >composite or YC that is to be recorded. > Sorry for the bad typing. We're getting close to tape-out at work and things are getting stressful, since a purchased IP core is buggy! Cheers, Tony Miller From ballyalley@h... Wed Mar 20 10:23:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 18:23:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 90819 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 18:23:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:23:28 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:23:28 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: New uploads to Bally Alley website Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:23:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 18:23:28.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[551B4430:01C1D03C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo March 22, 2002 I've uploaded more files (newsletters and coverscans and one more overlay) to the Bally Alley website. Check out the what's new page: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/Whats_New.html Here's a summary: March 16, 2002 Added scans of six manual covers -- Thanks Steven! March 15, 2002 Added keypad overlay for Music Maker. Added issues 1-3 to volume 4 of the Arcadian. Added six more Astrobugs newsletters. Added three volumes (a complete set?) of Niagara B.U.G. Bulletins. Will be using unordered lists for the 'What's New' page-- it looks neater. That's about 150 pages of reading material to keep you busy. Remember that you must save the pdf files to disk in order to view them (they won't open from the site). Also, on the files that are located on the File planet servers, you do NOT have to pay to download the files, just click download (yes, it sounds obvious, but it isn't). I've actually already uploaded more files, but because of the lag time between my uploads and the time it takes for the files to get to the mirror sites where they can be downloaded, there is a couple of day delay (see, there IS a cost to free hosting sites). I'll send out another update soon. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ward.shrake@w... Wed Mar 20 10:33:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 18:33:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 95386 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 18:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 18:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 18:33:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2002 18:33:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:33:30 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cartridge listing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C96BB2F.3080503@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6604 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Lance F. Squire" wrote: > commie_fan wrote: > >> Hey, you mean somebody actually read >> the stuff I wrote about the half- >> as-popular-as-the-Bally-BPA "Emerson >> Arcadia 2001" system? Coolness! > > I try to know about all the systems of > the time. Even now. The O^2 and > LeasureVision, as I knew it, have been > the hardest to find any real info > on. Though alot has come to light in > the last few years. :) First off, let me say that my earlier comments were 90% speculation, so don't read too much of it as gospel. It was more like the start of a potential brainstorming session, than anything else. I may have been wrong about Pac-Man being originally written by Bally, then hidden until Astrovision came along. Mike White thinks that is a stretch, according to a phone conversation I had recently. I'm not sure I agree 100%, but I do respect Mike's knowledge, a lot. He is basing that on his (excellent) memory of what was mentioned when, in newsletters like the Arcadian. Most of the time, those sources included dates when things were then being reported, which is helpful if you know the dates of other things, from other sources. One of my main points is that it is easier to figure out cause-and- effect relationships if you know real dates of events, including if possible the month and day, instead of just a year. Too much can take place in a year, to sort out which things happened before others. You could have five or more seperate cause-and-effect "generations" all clumped together in that period, each affected the next. That makes it difficult if not impossible to see everything clearly and correctly, years later, in a step-by-step manner. In the Sherlock Holmes stories, the detective always wanted to be able to examine the crime scene himself, to glean useful information from small clues. He often lamented that the crime scene had been trampled by others since the crime itself had taken place, erasing some of the possible clues. Hence wanting to see dated quotes, etc. For example: if we knew exactly when the game Pac-Man came into the arcade market -- month and year -- and we knew exactly when Muncher first began to circulate in the home market, we'd have a range of dates to do research on. Anything happening before the creation of the arcade game and its unexpectedly huge acceptance by the public, obviously had very little to do with Muncher's creation. We can take it for granted that Muncher was created only after the arcade game was either (a) created, or (b) became hugely popular. The former would presume a certain amount of faith in the game prior to any real evidence of acceptance in the marketplace, making it less likely than the latter. In any case, anything happening after Muncher was written and released, is also a seperate issue, not affecting Muncher's birth. I think of it like a giant pool table, with many balls on the playing surface. Someone hits one ball. It strikes another, which strikes others, which strike others, and so on, in a chain reaction. Trying to work out exactly what took place, long after the fact, is almost impossible unless you knew the exact layout of the table before the first ball was hit. If you know that, and you can find reports at least part of the chain of events, you can fill some gaps in with a reasonable degree of certainty. It's a fun mental challenge to do so. As to Lance's idea that Midway was created by Bally as a seperate division just to make video games... sorry, that is false. Midway was in fact a seperate company, dating back many decades before the era of video-based games had begun. Bally, Midway, Gottlieb and many others had manufactured pinball games and electro-mechanical games long before video-based games were technically possible. Before TV was invented, actually. The name "Midway" is actually a reference to a carnival midway, where many of the electro-mechanical games would have been expected to be seen and played. Many of the other names from that era were names of the families that ran the companies. As some of those companies went out of business over the decades, other companies bought the remains of the company, integrating it into their own operation. I don't know the history of all this as well as others do; check into the history of pinball machines for more info. Whole books have been written on the history of that single subject. (Which makes sense, since it is older than video-based gaming is.) I did choose my words poorly, when I referred to a "merger" between Bally and Midway, sometime during 1981. A better word choice would have been a "reorganization". The companies were obviously already related in some way, given the evidence I mentioned before, such as arcade game marquees. That relationship changed during 1981 to the extent that those marquees began naming the company differently. We know that much for a fact; that some sort of reorganization was taking place within Bally and Midway, during 1981. Mike White said reports came into various newsletters around that time -- September of 1981, I believe -- that said that Bally had sold the rights to Pac- Man to Atari, and had sold various other games to Commodore at that time. So that much is also confirmed. (Although the details are all still a bit fuzzy.) My curious nature simply asks "Why" this all took place? Was it the bankruptcy and/or sale of the home division of Bally's game marketing efforts? Was it something to do with whatever the details were with the arcade division's apparent reorganization? Were those two things seperate events, or were they cause-and-effect? Not having all the facts is dangerous. For instance, the earliest semi-educated guesses we over in Commodore VIC-20 land had as to why Commodore suddenly began marketing "Bally / Midway" games and using that name in every other breath of their advertising campaigns during 1982 or so, was we figured they ran afoul of copyright lawsuits. As it turns out, that is looking like a partial cause, but only partial. A combination of the idea that they'd be sued if they didn't license a product, and the "sudden" availability of such licenses due to the exit of Bally's home division, is apparently a more accurate view. I am sure we'll fill in more details later, but this is a step forward in our understanding of the bigger picture. And it's very welcome, as far as I'm concerned. Ward Shrake "Ward's Tech Corner" web site: http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ From ballyalley@h... Wed Mar 20 14:46:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 20 Mar 2002 22:46:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 19394 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 22:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2002 22:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.202) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 22:40:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:40:48 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:40:48 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: More New uploads to Bally Alley website Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:40:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2002 22:40:48.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[480528A0:01C1D060] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo March 22, 2002 I've uploaded machine language source code to the Bally Alley website. Check out the "What's New" page: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/Whats_New.html Here's a summary: Added Machine language section with source for: Table of Contents Assembly header (equates and macros) Onboard System ROM Scribbling Calculator Checkmate Gunfight That's over 200 pages of source material to keep you busy. For all files that are located on the File planet servers, you do NOT have to pay to download the files, just click download (yes, it sounds obvious, but it isn't). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From komb@s... Wed Mar 20 17:22:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 01:22:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 36098 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 01:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 01:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 01:22:45 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020321012244.BBAU26555.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9935B7.6070806@s...> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:21:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bally html FAQ updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Unfortunatly, due to other commitments, I haven't been as busy in Bally Land as Adam has or I would like. However, I have had some time to throw together and upload some stuff i've been assembeling over the past year. Unfortunatly, the links section is pitifully small. All comments etc welcome http://www.alteeve.com/~lance/Ballyfaq.html Lance From matt_01000010@y... Wed Mar 20 18:32:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_01000010@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 02:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 16529 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 02:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 02:32:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 02:32:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2002 02:32:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:32:23 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great News!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020319190230.00accc28@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5183 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_01000010" X-Originating-IP: 162.40.46.174 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105823670 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_01000010 Hi Tony, > Hopefully you've had enough experience with FPGAs not to believe > the BS advertising that claims millions of gates at zillions of > megahertz. I would caution against putting a Z80 core in, since > they're cheap and available. I wish I could get an FPGA with millions of gates at zillions of megahertz ;) In my current design I have a Spartan2 50k gate part running at 100Mhz and 66Mhz. A Z80 running at 1.78MHz should not be a problem. The problem might be the size of the core so an external Z80 might be the proper solution. > Isn't standard SRAM cheaper? It could be but a ROM and an SRAM probably isn't. FRAM could be a cheaper solution, but it might not be the best solution. If we want paged memory like some people are talking about or a large storage medium then a different memory solution would be in order. Perhaps a 1 or 2MB flash part for ROM and a 128 or 256KB SRAM would better met the requirements. An Intel TE28F160B3TA90 flash (1Mx16) costs around $10 and a Toshiba 128KB SRAM (TC551001CFT) costs around $8. It really comes down to what do we want. The solution space is quite large, we need to nail down the actual requirements. > The former is better than the latter. Wall transformers usually > don't put out enough soup. I agree. It would be nice to get a +5V/+3.3V switcher with a standard line input. The 2.5V core needs less than 500mA so a regulator off +3.3V would be fine. > The processor clock is 17.8 MHZ, and stops on every line for > synchronization purposes (to the video) The way the system used > to work is that Z80 accesses had to be synchronous to the video. > Of course, with the appropriate FIFO or handshake, this is not a > requirement. In order to generate NTSC video timing, you need to > start with 14.318 MHz or (better) comply with the old CCIR601 @ > 27MHZ which makes NTSC/PAL timing support straightforward. This > is especially important if the plan is to generate composite or > YC that is to be recorded. I guess that's the reason they have the 14.31818 crystal. We're going to have to go over this more in the future. > AFIK, there are no software timing loops. There is a line interrupt > for timing purposes which is typically programmed to go on the same > line of every field. I don't know what AFIK means. No software timing loops is a good thing. We should be less susceptible to processor timing changes then. > I would strongly suggest outputting RGB digital, then sending it > through external circuitry to generate whatever. That way, RGB > analog, YC or composite is straightfoward. I know of no converter > chips that will take R-Y, B-Y Y. The all take RGB digital or Cr Cb > Y @ 4:1:1, 4:2:2, etc. The only reason the original output R-Y, > etc., was to work directly with the modulator that ASTEC was making > for us. Other4 than that R-Y, etc is a major hassle. Working in > RGB space may require internal lookup tables to generate the > appropriate color, however. But I think the advantages far > outweigh the disadvantages. Do you know of a good resource for RBG signal generation? I've never worked with video so I'll need a crash course and/or some help. > I believe the original did something like firing a oneshot from > time to time, and the pot controlled the period. When the oneshot > fires, a counter starts which stops when the oneshot times out. > The digital value is then read from the counter. (But I could be > wrong, never paid much attention to how that part of the IO chip > works. The one document said it had a 9-bit ADC. I'm not sure how they implemented the ADC. I guess a oneshot and a counter would be a sort of ADC. I'm not sure how precise it'd be but it'd probably get the job done. Do we want to go that route or do we want a real ADC? We could use a 12-bit 4 channel ADC from TI, such as ADS7841 or ADS7842. One part would handle all four controllers. These are like $6 parts. > Here's a suggestion: Don't use any parts that can't be bought from > Digikey, and for a reasonable price. Your mention of VirtexII with > million gates is nifty, but we just bought XCV2-600s or whatevers > for only $4500.00 each. You won't find too many group members > willing to go for those! $4500!! You got screwed ;) The XVC600 should be around $1200 for the -6 speed grade. You need to look at the Virtex2. They greatly reduced the prices. The XC2V1000 is only around $400. I was thinking a Spartan2. The biggest one is $30 from Digikey but we might not need that big of one. We'll see once the custom chips are implemented how big a part is required. I agree that avalibilty from Digikey is a good way to insure the parts are easy to get. We should consider this when choosing parts. I believe all the parts I mentioned are avaliable from Digikey. > Sorry for the bad typing. We're getting close to tape-out at work > and things are getting stressful, since a purchased IP core is > buggy! I understand. The stupid analog guys at work are spraying my FPGA with cold spray, freezing the part below the thermal spec and complaining my design is junk when it locks up. What fun ;) Matt From komb@s... Wed Mar 20 19:39:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 03:39:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 55130 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 03:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 03:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.185) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 03:39:51 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020321033949.IXEZ22202.tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9955DA.3090602@s...> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:39:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Cartridge listing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > > As to Lance's idea that Midway was created by Bally as a seperate > division just to make video games... sorry, that is false. Midway was > in fact a seperate company, dating back many decades before the era > of video-based games had begun. Ok, Got me there! I usually wright about things from the perspective of how it looked to me as I encountered them. As I only ever met Midway Manufatruing (MM) creations with the 'a Bally Co' or later 'Bally/Midway' logos, I presumed it had always been so. Never had a reason to explore it. > that said that Bally had sold the rights to Pac-Man to Atari. I am almost positive that Atari aquired the home rights from Namco. Though I haven't researched it. I'm reasonably sure of this because Bally/Midways name is/was noware to be seen! Leading to the common (and anoying) misconception that Atari owned Pac-Man. Infact I remember Bally made every suceeding Pac-Man arcade game (most after the Atari 2600 cart) until Pac-Mania (1988) Doing some instant research now. Can't find my Atari Pac-Man cart. But, both the MS. Pac-man & Pac-Man Jr. (both of which came out much later) claim: Ms. Pac-Man Box: "MS. PAC-MAN is a trademark of Namco, Ltd." Cart: "MS. PAC-MAN and characers are Trademarks of Bally Midway Mfg. Co. sublicenced to Atari Corp. by Namco-America, Inc." Jr. Pac-Man Box & Cart: "MS. PAC-MAN and characers are Trademarks of Bally Midway Mfg. Co. sublicenced to Atari Corp. by Namco-America, Inc." Notice Bally is NOT mentioned on the outside packaging of Ms Pac-Man. In any case the licenceing is done 'by Namco-America, Inc.' Not Bally Midway. Man! That little bit of research (Checking the arcade machines for verification, trying to pinpoint Atari Pac-Man cart (82-83?) took a LOT of time. I did find a Pac-Man history site, but I have issues with it, as it dosen't match my memory of events and the (c) dates of my carts. I've got to get back to other things now :( Lance From ballyalley@h... Thu Mar 21 12:15:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 21 Mar 2002 20:15:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 63626 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2002 20:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2002 20:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.17) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 20:15:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:15:37 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:15:37 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade assembly (color mapping) help? Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:15:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2002 20:15:37.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A690A90:01C1D115] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo March 21, 2002 I'm looking for some help with the way that the Astrocade color mapping is setup. Is there anyone that has experience with this area (Lance?). I understand how color mapping works, but when I try it outside of BASIC the colors come out in "reverse order." I wrote a very short assembly program that clears the screen and displays four pixels so that I can see what is in color registers. I made sure to write the program short enough so that I could test it on an actual Astrocade just to make sure this isn't some emulation quirk. I typed the assembled hex code into the Blue Ram Utility (using my 16K Blue Ram) and then ran the short program as a cartridge (from area $2000). That worked, but the colors still are not what I expect (they are the same as on the emulator). It was quite satisfying to see code running on the Astrocade and not the emulator though, even if it wasn't doing what I expect. Is there anyone interested in programming the Z80 in assembly? There still hasn't been too many peeps from this group about it. Is anyone working on any assembly projects beside Lance and I? I thought this posting might be outside the scope of most discussion group readers, otherwise I would have posted some code. Anyone interested in working this out with me? We can either use this discussion group to exchange code, or else email one another. Using the group could be helpful, but it might alienate people who just don't care for tech "stuff." Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From palazzol@c... Thu Mar 21 18:32:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: palazzol@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 02:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 22697 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 02:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 02:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.comcast.net) (24.153.64.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 02:32:54 -0000 Received: from pagels (pcp01182125pcs.strl1201.mi.comcast.net [68.60.202.189]) by mtaout45-02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GTC00KSPSETJS@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:32:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:32:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade assembly (color mapping) help? In-reply-to: To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <3C9A516A.28890.F812D9A@l...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal From: Frank Palazzolo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99293129 X-Yahoo-Profile: knarfian Adam, I got a lot of experience with the Astrocade palette when I worked out the colors for MESS. A little while ago, Glenn Saunders put together some code which generates and HTML table with all the Atari 2600 colors in it. I liked the idea, and planned on making a table with the Astrocade colors in it as well. Well, I finally slapped together a Python script which generated the web page, using the same equation as MESS. Here it is: http://www.dsplib.com/astrocade/astrocade_palette.html There are pop-up messages in IE with the actual color codes in it. I must admit that I stole the HTML code from Glenn, but I'm generating it completely differently :) If you still have some trouble sorting out the color stuff, post your little Z80 program and I'll have a look. I still like Z80 assembly :) Thanks, Frank From fmillera@p... Thu Mar 21 18:35:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 02:35:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 11891 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 02:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 02:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 02:35:31 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.241.169]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTC00MZISJ2AW@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:35:24 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Great News!!! In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020321183150.00aa9c90@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_524223==_.ALT" References: <4.2.2.20020319190230.00accc28@p...> From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_524223==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:32 AM 3/21/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Tony, > > > Hopefully you've had enough experience with FPGAs not to believe > > the BS advertising that claims millions of gates at zillions of > > megahertz. I would caution against putting a Z80 core in, since > > they're cheap and available. > >I wish I could get an FPGA with millions of gates at zillions of >megahertz ;) In my current design I have a Spartan2 50k gate part >running at 100Mhz and 66Mhz. A Z80 running at 1.78MHz should not be >a problem. The problem might be the size of the core so an external >Z80 might be the proper solution. > > > Isn't standard SRAM cheaper? > >It could be but a ROM and an SRAM probably isn't. FRAM could be a >cheaper solution, but it might not be the best solution. > >If we want paged memory like some people are talking about or a large >storage medium then a different memory solution would be in order. >Perhaps a 1 or 2MB flash part for ROM and a 128 or 256KB SRAM would >better met the requirements. An Intel TE28F160B3TA90 flash (1Mx16) >costs around $10 and a Toshiba 128KB SRAM (TC551001CFT) costs around >$8. > >It really comes down to what do we want. The solution space is quite >large, we need to nail down the actual requirements. > > > The former is better than the latter. Wall transformers usually > > don't put out enough soup. > >I agree. It would be nice to get a +5V/+3.3V switcher with a >standard line input. The 2.5V core needs less than 500mA so a >regulator off +3.3V would be fine. > > > The processor clock is 17.8 MHZ, and stops on every line for > > synchronization purposes (to the video) The way the system used > > to work is that Z80 accesses had to be synchronous to the video. > > Of course, with the appropriate FIFO or handshake, this is not a > > requirement. In order to generate NTSC video timing, you need to > > start with 14.318 MHz or (better) comply with the old CCIR601 @ > > 27MHZ which makes NTSC/PAL timing support straightforward. This > > is especially important if the plan is to generate composite or > > YC that is to be recorded. > >I guess that's the reason they have the 14.31818 crystal. We're >going to have to go over this more in the future. > > > AFIK, there are no software timing loops. There is a line interrupt > > for timing purposes which is typically programmed to go on the same > > line of every field. > >I don't know what AFIK means. No software timing loops is a good >thing. We should be less susceptible to processor timing changes >then. AFIK = As Far As I Know > > I would strongly suggest outputting RGB digital, then sending it > > through external circuitry to generate whatever. That way, RGB > > analog, YC or composite is straightfoward. I know of no converter > > chips that will take R-Y, B-Y Y. The all take RGB digital or Cr Cb > > Y @ 4:1:1, 4:2:2, etc. The only reason the original output R-Y, > > etc., was to work directly with the modulator that ASTEC was making > > for us. Other4 than that R-Y, etc is a major hassle. Working in > > RGB space may require internal lookup tables to generate the > > appropriate color, however. But I think the advantages far > > outweigh the disadvantages. > >Do you know of a good resource for RBG signal generation? I've never >worked with video so I'll need a crash course and/or some help. Try Video demistified by Keith Jack, or the art of digital video by (someone whose name I can't remember) > > I believe the original did something like firing a oneshot from > > time to time, and the pot controlled the period. When the oneshot > > fires, a counter starts which stops when the oneshot times out. > > The digital value is then read from the counter. (But I could be > > wrong, never paid much attention to how that part of the IO chip > > works. > >The one document said it had a 9-bit ADC. I'm not sure how they >implemented the ADC. I guess a oneshot and a counter would be a sort >of ADC. I'm not sure how precise it'd be but it'd probably get the >job done. Do we want to go that route or do we want a real ADC? We >could use a 12-bit 4 channel ADC from TI, such as ADS7841 or ADS7842. >One part would handle all four controllers. These are like $6 parts. If it was indeed a 9 bit ADC, it was probably implemented similarly to the DACs. A resistor ladder network with a comparitor. > > Here's a suggestion: Don't use any parts that can't be bought from > > Digikey, and for a reasonable price. Your mention of VirtexII with > > million gates is nifty, but we just bought XCV2-600s or whatevers > > for only $4500.00 each. You won't find too many group members > > willing to go for those! > >$4500!! You got screwed ;) The XVC600 should be around $1200 for >the -6 speed grade. You need to look at the Virtex2. They greatly >reduced the prices. The XC2V1000 is only around $400. 7 pcs of XCV6000 fastest in the 1152 BGA @ $4500.00 each from the local Insight distributor. These were purchased back in Nov. >I was thinking a Spartan2. The biggest one is $30 from Digikey but >we might not need that big of one. We'll see once the custom chips >are implemented how big a part is required. > >I agree that avalibilty from Digikey is a good way to insure the >parts are easy to get. We should consider this when choosing parts. >I believe all the parts I mentioned are avaliable from Digikey. > > > Sorry for the bad typing. We're getting close to tape-out at work > > and things are getting stressful, since a purchased IP core is > > buggy! > >I understand. The stupid analog guys at work are spraying my FPGA >with cold spray, freezing the part below the thermal spec and >complaining my design is junk when it locks up. What fun ;) > >Matt > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_524223==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 02:32 AM 3/21/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Hi Tony,

> Hopefully you've had enough experience with FPGAs not to believe
> the BS advertising that claims millions of gates at zillions of
> megahertz. I would caution against putting a Z80 core in, since
> they're cheap and available.

I wish I could get an FPGA with millions of gates at zillions of
megahertz ;)  In my current design I have a Spartan2 50k gate part
running at 100Mhz and 66Mhz.  A Z80 running at 1.78MHz should not be
a problem.  The problem might be the size of the core so an external
Z80 might be the proper solution.

> Isn't standard SRAM cheaper?

It could be but a ROM and an SRAM probably isn't.  FRAM could be a
cheaper solution, but it might not be the best solution. 

If we want paged memory like some people are talking about or a large
storage medium then a different memory solution would be in order. 
Perhaps a 1 or 2MB flash part for ROM and a 128 or 256KB SRAM would
better met the requirements.  An Intel TE28F160B3TA90 flash (1Mx16)
costs around $10 and a Toshiba 128KB SRAM (TC551001CFT) costs around
$8.

It really comes down to what do we want.  The solution space is quite
large, we need to nail down the actual requirements.

> The former is better than the latter.  Wall transformers usually
> don't put out enough soup.

I agree.  It would be nice to get a +5V/+3.3V switcher with a
standard line input.  The 2.5V core needs less than 500mA so a
regulator off +3.3V would be fine.

> The processor clock is 17.8 MHZ, and stops on every line for
> synchronization purposes (to the video)  The way the system used
> to work is that Z80 accesses had to be synchronous to the video.
> Of course, with the appropriate FIFO or handshake, this is not a
> requirement.  In order to generate NTSC video timing, you need to
> start with 14.318 MHz or (better) comply with the old CCIR601 @
> 27MHZ which makes NTSC/PAL timing support straightforward.  This
> is especially important if the plan is to generate composite or
> YC that is to be recorded.

I guess that's the reason they have the 14.31818 crystal.  We're
going to have to go over this more in the future.

> AFIK, there are no software timing loops. There is a line interrupt
> for timing purposes which is typically programmed to go on the same
> line of every field.

I don't know what AFIK means.  No software timing loops is a good
thing.  We should be less susceptible to processor timing changes
then.


AFIK = As Far As I Know


> I would strongly suggest outputting RGB digital, then sending it
> through external circuitry to generate whatever.  That way, RGB
> analog, YC or composite is straightfoward.  I know of no converter
> chips that will take R-Y, B-Y Y.  The all take RGB digital or Cr Cb
> Y @ 4:1:1, 4:2:2, etc.  The only reason the original output R-Y,
> etc., was to work directly with the modulator that ASTEC was making
> for us.  Other4 than that R-Y, etc is a major hassle.  Working in
> RGB space may require internal lookup tables to generate the
> appropriate color, however.  But I think the advantages far
> outweigh the disadvantages.

Do you know of a good resource for RBG signal generation?  I've never
worked with video so I'll need a crash course and/or some help.

Try Video demistified by Keith Jack, or the art of digital video by (someone whose name I can't remember)


> I believe the original did something like firing a oneshot from
> time to time, and the pot controlled the period.  When the oneshot
> fires, a counter starts which stops when the oneshot times out.
> The digital value is then read from the counter.  (But I could be
> wrong, never paid much attention to how that part of the IO chip
> works.

The one document said it had a 9-bit ADC.  I'm not sure how they
implemented the ADC.  I guess a oneshot and a counter would be a sort
of ADC.  I'm not sure how precise it'd be but it'd probably get the
job done.  Do we want to go that route or do we want a real ADC? We
could use a 12-bit 4 channel ADC from TI, such as ADS7841 or ADS7842.
One part would handle all four controllers.  These are like $6 parts.


If it was indeed a 9 bit ADC, it was probably implemented similarly to the DACs.  A resistor ladder network with a comparitor.




> Here's a suggestion:  Don't use any parts that can't be bought from
> Digikey, and for a reasonable price.  Your mention of VirtexII with
> million gates is nifty, but we just bought XCV2-600s or whatevers
> for only $4500.00 each.  You won't find too many group members
> willing to go for those!

$4500!! You got screwed ;)  The XVC600 should be around $1200 for
the -6 speed grade.  You need to look at the Virtex2.  They greatly
reduced the prices.  The XC2V1000 is only around $400.

7 pcs of XCV6000 fastest in the 1152 BGA @ $4500.00 each from the local Insight distributor.  These were purchased back in Nov.

I was thinking a Spartan2.  The biggest one is $30 from Digikey but
we might not need that big of one.  We'll see once the custom chips
are implemented how big a part is required.

I agree that avalibilty from Digikey is a good way to insure the
parts are easy to get.  We should consider this when choosing parts. 
I believe all the parts I mentioned are avaliable from Digikey.

> Sorry for the bad typing. We're getting close to tape-out at work
> and things are getting stressful, since a purchased IP core is
> buggy!

I understand.  The stupid analog guys at work are spraying my FPGA
with cold spray, freezing the part below the thermal spec and
complaining my design is junk when it locks up.  What fun ;)

Matt



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--=====================_524223==_.ALT-- From komb@s... Thu Mar 21 18:46:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 02:46:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 2315 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 02:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 02:46:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 02:46:48 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020322024648.HNUO1981.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9A9AEC.9050204@s...> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:46:04 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade assembly (color mapping) help? References: <3C9A516A.28890.F812D9A@l...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Frank Palazzolo wrote: > Well, I finally slapped together a Python script which generated the > web page, using the same equation as MESS. Here it is: > > http://www.dsplib.com/astrocade/astrocade_palette.html > Very Cool!!! Looks good to me. Certanly fits the spec. :) > There are pop-up messages in IE with the actual color codes in it. Also works in Mozilla and NS6. I seccond the posting of code if you still have probs. Lance From ballyalley@h... Fri Mar 22 04:15:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 12:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 54368 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:15:51 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:15:51 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade assembly (color mapping) help? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:15:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2002 12:15:51.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EFD1730:01C1D19B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Well, I finally slapped together a Python script which generated the web page, using the same equation as MESS. Here it is: http://www.dsplib.com/astrocade/astrocade_palette.html There are pop-up messages in IE with the actual color codes in it. I must admit that I stole the HTML code from Glenn, but I'm generating it completely differently :) >> An html Astrocade color palette. Very nice, and very useful. Thanks! I used the MESS emulator's color palette display to choose the colors for the program I wrote, but this html listing makes it SO nice. Knowing the RGB value has future interesting potential for conversion of four or eight color bitmap screens to the Bally. I'm going to add a link to this Astrocade pallette to Bally Alley and, if you don't mind, put a local version there too. At least two people wouldn't mind seeing the code I wrote, so I'll post it with some comments very soon. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From palazzol@c... Fri Mar 22 04:39:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: palazzol@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 12:39:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 94873 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 12:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 12:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.comcast.net) (24.153.64.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 12:39:50 -0000 Received: from pagels (pcp01182125pcs.strl1201.mi.comcast.net [68.60.202.189]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GTD00BUPKIDMX@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:39:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:39:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade assembly (color mapping) help? In-reply-to: To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <3C9ADFB6.30885.17EF66@l...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal From: Frank Palazzolo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99293129 X-Yahoo-Profile: knarfian > I'm going to add a link to this Astrocade pallette to Bally Alley and, if > you don't mind, put a local version there too. No problem. My site needs a massive overhaul anyways, so a local copy is a good idea. :) -Frank From ballyalley@h... Fri Mar 22 05:01:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 13:01:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 43697 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 13:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 13:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 13:01:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:01:39 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:01:39 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Color mapping program and details Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 05:01:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2002 13:01:39.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4F305D0:01C1D1A1] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo March 22, 2002 This explains, in detail, my questions about the Astrocade color registers not working the way I expect them to with the very short program that I wrote. The included program simply: 1) Displays the menu 2) Sets up the screen 3) Sets up the color registers as: Register $00- $00 ; Color 0 Right - Black Register $01- $5A ; Color 1 Right - Red Register $02- $86 ; Color 2 Right - Yellow Register $03- $F9 ; Color 3 Right - Blue Register $04- $00 ; Color 0 Left - Black Register $05- $5A ; Color 1 Left - Red Register $06- $86 ; Color 2 Left - Yellow Register $07- $F9 ; Color 3 Left - Blue 2) Fills the screen with zeros (well, all but the bottom eighty bytes, two scan lines). 3) Moves $1B (00011011B) to $4000, $4001,$4002, and $4003 4) Loops forever The program works fine, but the sixteen pixel colors that I setup are shown in the reverse order from what I expect. If memory location $4000 holds $1B (00011011B), shouldn't the four pixels displayed for that byte be Black, Red, Yellow, and Blue? Instead, I get Blue, Yellow, Red, Black. What gives? I typed this into my Blue Ram Utility (it only took a couple of minutes) and then I ran the program as a cart (it's meant to be run that way). Could you take a look at the program and explain to me why the colors are "backward?" I did some investigation on my own using my resources, I suspect information in the Nutting manual on page 86 will give us a hint. There is a drawing that explains the screen layout. Notice that pixels 0-3 are laid out from left to right as: | | | | | +----+----+----+----+ ^ ^ | | +-- Pixel 3 +-- Pixel 0 So, as in my program, if memory location $4000 holds $1B as: | 00 | 01 | 10 | 11 | = $1B +----+----+----+----+ Memory location $4000 And the color registers are setup as: Register $00 = $00 (Black) Register $01 = $5A (Red) Register $02 = $86 (Yellow) Register $03 = $F9 (Blue) Register $04 = $00 (Black) Register $05 = $5A (Red) Register $06 = $86 (Yellow) Register $07 = $F9 (Blue) Is the first pixel (zero) drawn first or last? If it's drawn first (and it seems to be), then I have been expecting the wrong color-order all along and I am getting the correct results. In other words, the byte is written as 11100100B (blue, yellow, red, and black). But this doesn't explain the background color being blue (the emulator doesn't display the background color-- you'll only see this color on a real Astrocade). Since port $09 is holding 44D ($2C, or 00101100B), and since bits 6 and 7 define the background color (in this case 00B), then color register $00 holds black. It should be used for the background color, but that is not the case: blue is displayed as the background (which is color register 03). The program I include is short and I hope that someone can find the time to look at it and even test it by typing it into your Blue Ram ([grin] for all those people that have one). Maybe then you can tell me what I am misunderstanding about the color registers. Am I looking at this wrong? Please, help set me straight! Here's the code (just in case this email message is broken up with carriage returns, the program is also in the Bally Alley discussion group file area and is called fourcolr.asm). Adam ; Title - Screen Display ; By - Adam Trionfo ; Rev - 1.1 - March 22, 2002 ; ; This program could not have been written without using ; Mike White's "Astro BASIC 4x2 Multicart Loader" and ; and the "Nutting Manual" as a reference. ; ; ; About this Program ; ------------------ ; ; Displays four pixels (repeated four times) at $4000. ; The byte value displayed is $B1, which should display ; color registers 0-3, but the order displayed is ; reverse from what I expect (3-0). Why? ; ; ; Assembling this Program ; ----------------------- ; This file will assemble with ZMAC 1.3 (a little ; known, freely distributable Z-80 assembler (with C ; source), that has a 25-year history. ZMAC can be ; compiled under just about any O.S. in existence, so ; try it out. ; ; To assemble Z-80 source code using ZMAC: ; ; zmac -i -m -o -x ; ; For example, to assemble this Astrocade Z-80 program: ; ; zmac-i -m -o titledis.bin -x titledis.lst titledis.asm INCLUDE "BALLYEQU.H" ORG $2000 ; First byte of Cartridge DB $55 ; Bally System Sentinel ; Menu Selection Choice #1 DW MENUST ; Next Menu Link DW PRGNAM ; Address of Program Name text DW PRGST ; Jump here if selected ORG $2007 ; Program Start PRGST: DI ; Disable interrupts SYSTEM (INTPC) ; Start System Interpreter DO (SETOUT) ; Set Display Ports DB 176D ; Vertical Blanking Line DB 44D ; Left/Right Color Boundary DB $18 ; Interrupt Mode DO (COLSET) ; Set Color Registers DW COLTAB ; Color Table DO (FILL) ; Screen Fill DW $4000 ; Destination DW 4000D ; Bytes to move DB $00 ; Fill with zeros DO (MOVE) ; Move Bytes DW $4000 ; Destination DW 4D ; Bytes to move (four) DW TOMOVE ; Source Address EXIT ; Exit System Interpreter EI ; Enable interrupts LOOP: NOP ; Endless loop JP LOOP ; End of program ; Program Data ; Color Table #1 COLTAB: DB $00 ; Color 0 Right - Black DB $5A ; Color 1 Right - Red DB $86 ; Color 2 Right - Yellow DB $F9 ; Color 3 Right - Blue DB $00 ; Color 0 Left - Black DB $5A ; Color 1 Left - Red DB $86 ; Color 2 Left - Yellow DB $F9 ; Color 3 Left - Blue ; Program Name PRGNAM: DB 'T','E','S','T' DB $00 ; End of String ; Bytes to move TOMOVE: DB 00011011B ; Four pixels (0,1,2,3) DB 00011011B ; Four pixels (0,1,2,3) DB 00011011B ; Four pixels (0,1,2,3) DB 00011011B ; Four pixels (0,1,2,3) ; End of Program _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Mar 22 08:34:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 16:34:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 77195 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 16:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 16:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.107) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 16:34:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:34:20 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:34:20 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade cover scans Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:34:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2002 16:34:20.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B1A02B0:01C1D1BF] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo March 22, 2002 Bally Alley currently has seventeen cover scans at: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/pics/manual_covers/manual_covers.html If you have a cover that is NOT on the list that is below, and you can scan it as a 100 DPI TIFF and email it to me (zipped), or lend me an original manual. Then we will be able to finish this section up; we're about half way there now. Adam The seventeen covers are: Amazing Maze / Tic-Tac-Toe Astro BASIC Astro Battle Bally Professional Arcade (b&w) Bally Professional Arcade (color) Biorhythm Blackjack / Poker / Acey-Deucey Brickyard / Clowns Football Galactic Invasion Incredible Wizard, The Letter Match / Spell 'N Score / Crosswords Music Maker I Seawolf / Missile Space Fortress Star Battle Tornado Baseball / Tennis / Handball / Hockey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From ballyalley@h... Fri Mar 22 10:26:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 18:26:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 61556 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 18:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 18:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 18:26:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:26:02 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:26:02 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Color mapping program and details Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:26:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2002 18:26:02.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[0576ED00:01C1D1CF] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo After my color mapping problems, I examined and did some more disassembly to Dogpatch (it's in the files section of the discussion group, under the folder called "Assembly Source Code"). The disassembly isn't even close to being done, but it does write the characters to the screen before it crashes (you can see them for an instant under the MESS emulator). Anyway, color register $03 holds the background color ($07, white), but (as with my program) I expect that four pixels mapped as $00 (one full byte) would be purple (color value $22), since that is what is in color register $01. I must be making an assumption that is incorrect. Are the registers loaded backwards? Is anyone able to follow this? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Mar 22 10:32:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 18:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 22842 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 18:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 18:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.176) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 18:32:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:32:47 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:32:46 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Anyone have Astrocade source code? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:32:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2002 18:32:47.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6C14020:01C1D1CF] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Does anyone have Astrocade source code? There are 54 members of this Astrocade discussion group now and I wonder if any of you ordered source code from the Arcadian back in the day or might have come across some since then; I'm talking about printouts of the source, not the actual code on ROM, disk or tape. Some of the cartridge games also were disassembled and could be purchased through the Arcadian and Cursor. Does anyone have any of this? Especially Astro BASIC, or (gasp!) Z-GRASS (hey, SOMEONE has got to have it). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From lasrtt@g... 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X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 21:27:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 37528 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 21:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 21:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 21:27:34 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTE8XW03.E0U for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:27:32 -0900 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.124.211]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GTE8XT00.R3E for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:27:29 -0900 Message-ID: <000c01c1d1e7$3b2c63e0$0d49fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade cover scans Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:19:11 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1D19B.C6AF5540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1D19B.C6AF5540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: I have 26 cartridges Bally and others, 4 Bally covers, and 11 other cov= ers. What part if any would you like me to email you. The Bally covers are = Artillery Dule 5005, Cosmic Raiders 2019, Pirate's Chase 2015, and Solar Co= nqueror 2018. If you are intrested in the "others" I will send you a listing. = =20 Please advise when you have the time. Also do you want a picture of the cartridge itself? Thank you Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:34 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Astrocade cover scans March 22, 2002 Bally Alley currently has seventeen cover scans at: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/pics/manual_covers/manual_covers.= html If you have a cover that is NOT on the list that is below, and you can sc= an=20 it as a 100 DPI TIFF and email it to me (zipped), or lend me an original= =20 manual. Then we will be able to finish this section up; we're about half= =20 way there now. Adam The seventeen covers are: Amazing Maze / Tic-Tac-Toe Astro BASIC Astro Battle Bally Professional Arcade (b&w) Bally Professional Arcade (color) Biorhythm Blackjack / Poker / Acey-Deucey Brickyard / Clowns Football Galactic Invasion Incredible Wizard, The Letter Match / Spell 'N Score / Crosswords Music Maker I Seawolf / Missile Space Fortress Star Battle Tornado Baseball / Tennis / Handball / Hockey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= p. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Hi Adam:
    I have 26 cartridges Ba= lly and=20 others, 4 Bally covers, and 11 other covers. What part if any would you lik= e me=20 to email you. The Bally covers are Artillery Dule 5005, Cosmic Raiders 2019= ,=20 Pirate's Chase 2015, and Solar Conqueror 2018.
   If you are intrested in the "= others" I=20 will send you a listing.    
   Please advise when you h= ave the=20 time.
   Also do you want a picture of= the=20 cartridge itself?
Thank you Rick.....
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 = Adam=20 Trionfo
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:34= =20 AM
Subject: [ballyalley] Astrocade co= ver=20 scans

March 22, 2002

Bally Alley currently has sevent= een=20 cover scans at:

http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/pics/manual_covers/ma= nual_covers.html

If=20 you have a cover that is NOT on the list that is below, and you can scan= =20
it as a 100 DPI TIFF and email it to me (zipped), or lend me an origi= nal=20
manual.  Then we will be able to finish this section up; we're a= bout=20 half
way there now.

Adam

The seventeen covers=20 are:

Amazing Maze / Tic-Tac-Toe
Astro BASIC
Astro Battle
= Bally=20 Professional Arcade (b&w)
Bally Professional Arcade=20 (color)
Biorhythm
Blackjack / Poker / Acey-Deucey
Brickyard /=20 Clowns
Football
Galactic Invasion
Incredible Wizard, The
Lett= er=20 Match / Spell 'N Score / Crosswords
Music Maker I
Seawolf /=20 Missile
Space Fortress
Star Battle
Tornado Baseball / Tennis /=20 Handball /=20 Hockey

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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1D19B.C6AF5540-- From matt_01000010@y... Fri Mar 22 15:40:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: matt_01000010@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 22 Mar 2002 23:40:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 60466 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2002 23:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2002 23:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2002 23:40:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2002 23:40:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:40:52 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great News!!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020321183150.00aa9c90@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 915 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "matt_01000010" X-Originating-IP: 162.40.46.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=105823670 X-Yahoo-Profile: matt_01000010 > If it was indeed a 9 bit ADC, it was probably implemented similarly > to the DACs. A resistor ladder network with a comparitor. Do you think a TI replacement would be overkill for the design? > 7 pcs of XCV6000 fastest in the 1152 BGA @ $4500.00 each from the > local Insight distributor. These were purchased back in Nov. Woohoo! I want to work at your company ;) The 6000 is a BIG difference from the 600. I can hardly get my project manager to swallow a $15 Spartan2 ;) A general question for the Hardy Boys (Jim let me in on the secret :) What price range are we looking at for the board? I was looking at power supplies briefly today. I found a couple dual supplies 25W (+5 @ 2.5A and +3.3V @ 2.5A), with Universal line input for $30. Is this the ball park we are looking at? I think the prices I was looking at might be on the highend. We can probably find something cheaper. Matt From komb@s... Fri Mar 22 16:49:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 00:49:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 24946 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 00:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 00:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 00:48:59 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020323004859.DIHU19425.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9BD0CD.3010301@s...> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:48:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Color mapping program and details References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Are the registers loaded > backwards? > Nasty Grin... DNA Page 88 Paragraph 2 Sentance 3 + "The eight bytes of data pointed to by HL will go to the volor registers HL -> Memory Location X Color Register 7 X+1 Color Register 6 X+2 Color Register 5 X+3 Color Register 4 X+4 Color Register 3 X+5 Color Register 2 X+6 Color Register 1 X+7 Color Register 0 So, Yes, if you use the system loader they are loaded in reverse order. I aplad your use of the 'do' system, I would have done it manualy for my first go. Lance From komb@s... Fri Mar 22 16:51:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 00:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 10920 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 00:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 00:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 00:51:00 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020323005059.DLEG26555.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:50:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9BD147.1040608@s...> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:50:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Basic Cart scan References: <3C8B8F10.6090905@s...> <001101c1c86b$061ffca0$07cafea9@t...> <3C8BD509.9090202@s...> <000d01c1c8b0$9950e760$07cafea9@t...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Rick & Myrna Trnka wrote: > Hi Lance: > > Here ut is, sorry it took so long my wifie wanted to go see We Where > Soliders. I didn't to many old memories. Anyway if you can go see it, > almost like being there again. The other casette is a tape. > > Take good care Rick..... > Unfortunatly, your attachment didn't arrive. From komb@s... Fri Mar 22 16:57:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 00:57:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 40194 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 00:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 00:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 00:57:16 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020323005716.DXIE29507.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9BD2C0.8080408@s...> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:56:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Anyone have Astrocade source code? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > or (gasp!) Z-GRASS (hey, SOMEONE has got to have > it). > > Adam That's one thing I really want the Bally 2 to run!!! :) From komb@s... Fri Mar 22 17:15:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 01:15:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 9094 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.251.113]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020323011526.IHKK12533.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9BD700.5050006@s...> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:14:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade assembly (color mapping) help? References: <3C9ADFB6.30885.17EF66@l...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Frank Palazzolo wrote: >>I'm going to add a link to this Astrocade pallette to Bally Alley and, if >>you don't mind, put a local version there too. >> > > No problem. My site needs a massive overhaul anyways, so a local > copy is a good idea. :) > > -Frank > > Would also like to add it to the html faq. I was looking over & tweaking the html. Nice job. Hate breaks in the html tags though. Lance From ballyalley@h... Fri Mar 22 20:04:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 04:04:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 38014 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 04:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 04:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.176) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 04:04:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:04:35 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 04:04:35 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Color mapping program and details Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:04:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2002 04:04:35.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[D85B5D50:01C1D21F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> > Are the registers loaded backwards? Nasty Grin... [gives some help... SNIP] >> Thanks for the advice; that solved my problem! I changed a couple of lines and reposted the program as 8colors.asm in the files section of the discussion group, under the folder called "Assembly Source Code". I moved the left/right boundary to be between pixel 0 and 1 and now the program display eight pixels, a spread from white to black-- EXACTLY what I expect. The program is written using only ROM subroutines, so it's very easy to follow. Now all the work of the Nutting manual is beginning to see fruitation. Woo hoo! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Mar 23 06:04:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 14:04:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 81897 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 14:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 14:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 14:04:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:04:56 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:04:55 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Hi-res revisited Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:04:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2002 14:04:56.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[B61954F0:01C1D273] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I wondered what would happen if I set the Astrocade into hi-res mode with the program I uploaded yesterday, 8colors.asm. I added two lines of code after the DI instruction: PRGST: DI ; Disable interrupts LD A,$01 ; Set system into high-res < NEW CODE OUT (CONCM),A ; < NEW CODE Well, it worked. The program sets the Astrocade into hi-res mode. Of course you can't use it like there is 16K, but I thought this was neat. I wanted to check that this works on a real Astrocade, so I typed the code into my Blue Ram and ran it as a cartridge. The two extra lines DON'T set a real Astrocade into hi-res. I just get a red screen and then it returns to the menu. Mind you, I took out the two added lines and the original program runs perfectly on a real Astrocade, just like on the emulator. I'm not surprised this trick didn't work on the Astrocade because the Nutting manual does say that the operation mode "must be set by software before any RAM operations can be performed." Well, the ROM sets this first thing, so my resetting it is done after RAM is used for the menu. The emulator must be more forgiving about this. One way to test hi-res on a real Astrocade, besides changing the actual ROM code, may be to use a cartridge that doesn't use the menu (has a $C3 [JP] instead of a $55 at memory location $2000). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Mar 23 07:13:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 15:13:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 29094 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 15:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 15:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 15:13:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:13:57 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:13:56 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Hi-res revisited Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:13:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2002 15:13:57.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AA740A0:01C1D27D] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> One way to test hi-res on a real Astrocade, besides changing the actual ROM code, may be to use a cartridge that doesn't use the menu (has a $C3 [JP] instead of a $55 at memory location $2000). >> I just tried this. It too works on the emulator, but not on a real Astrocade. This time the screen goes black on the Astrocade. If anyone wants to take a look, I posted the small program (hi-res.asm) in the discussion group's file area (in the Assembly Source Code folder). I just thought it might be interesting to see this trick work (since Brett Bilbrey mentioned could be done on an unexpanded Astrocade). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From fmillera@p... Sat Mar 23 08:43:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 16:43:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 6435 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 16:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 16:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 16:43:57 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.240.223]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTF000UJQH6DF@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:43:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:43:53 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Hi-res revisited In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020323084251.00a9fb38@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_606241==_.ALT" From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_606241==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:04 AM 3/23/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I wondered what would happen if I set the Astrocade into hi-res mode with >the program I uploaded yesterday, 8colors.asm. I added two lines of code >after the DI instruction: > >PRGST: DI ; Disable interrupts > > LD A,$01 ; Set system into high-res < NEW CODE > OUT (CONCM),A ; < NEW CODE > >Well, it worked. The program sets the Astrocade into hi-res mode. Of >course you can't use it like there is 16K, but I thought this was neat. I >wanted to check that this works on a real Astrocade, so I typed the code >into my Blue Ram and ran it as a cartridge. > >The two extra lines DON'T set a real Astrocade into hi-res. I just get a >red screen and then it returns to the menu. Mind you, I took out the two >added lines and the original program runs perfectly on a real Astrocade, >just like on the emulator. > >I'm not surprised this trick didn't work on the Astrocade because the >Nutting manual does say that the operation mode "must be set by software >before any RAM operations can be performed." Well, the ROM sets this first >thing, so my resetting it is done after RAM is used for the menu. The >emulator must be more forgiving about this. > >One way to test hi-res on a real Astrocade, besides changing the actual ROM >code, may be to use a cartridge that doesn't use the menu (has a $C3 [JP] >instead of a $55 at memory location $2000). > >Adam But when you physically get it into hires mode and keep it there, you should get a screen full of background color and nothing else Cheers, Tony Miller >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_606241==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 06:04 AM 3/23/2002 -0800, you wrote:
I wondered what would happen if I set the Astrocade into hi-res mode with
the program I uploaded yesterday, 8colors.asm.  I added two lines of code
after the DI instruction:

PRGST:  DI                ; Disable interrupts

        LD      A,$01     ; Set system into high-res < NEW CODE
        OUT    (CONCM),A  ;                          < NEW CODE

Well, it worked.  The program sets the Astrocade into hi-res mode.  Of
course you can't use it like there is 16K, but I thought this was neat.  I
wanted to check that this works on a real Astrocade, so I typed the code
into my Blue Ram and ran it as a cartridge.

The two extra lines DON'T set a real Astrocade into hi-res.  I just get a
red screen and then it returns to the menu.  Mind you, I took out the two
added lines and the original program runs perfectly on a real Astrocade,
just like on the emulator.

I'm not surprised this trick didn't work on the Astrocade because the
Nutting manual does say that the operation mode "must be set by software
before any RAM operations can be performed."  Well, the ROM sets this first
thing, so my resetting it is done after RAM is used for the menu.  The
emulator must be more forgiving about this.

One way to test hi-res on a real Astrocade, besides changing the actual ROM
code, may be to use a cartridge that doesn't use the menu (has a $C3 [JP]
instead of a $55 at memory location $2000).

Adam

But when you physically get it into hires mode and keep it there, you should get a screen full of background color and nothing else

Cheers,

Tony Miller

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--=====================_606241==_.ALT-- From cybpunks@h... Sat Mar 23 09:46:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 17:46:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 75528 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 17:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 17:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 17:46:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2002 17:46:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:46:11 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Commercial mode Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 730 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "cybpunks" X-Originating-IP: 4.47.0.208 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: cybpunks One important note about Commercial mode. The built-in OS routines won't work right with commercial mode. So if this is going to be useful with the Astrocade II (i.e. not having to roll your own custom routines on a game by game basis), there will need to be a whole new set of OS routines that will work with the higher resolution. I'm assuming this already exists on the arcade machines, so I think you could kill 2 birds with one stone by analyzing the WoW and Gorf hardware. If you get these to run on the Astrocade II, you'll enable homebrew games to use commercial mode in the process. You could probably use Robby Roto as a reference since it doesn't use the speech chip and the source should be available. From fmillera@p... Sat Mar 23 10:03:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 18:03:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 83402 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 18:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 18:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 18:03:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2002 18:03:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:03:53 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Commercial mode Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tonymillerus" X-Originating-IP: 63.199.240.223 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --- In ballyalley@y..., "cybpunks" wrote: > One important note about Commercial mode. > > The built-in OS routines won't work right with commercial mode. So > if this is going to be useful with the Astrocade II (i.e. not having > to roll your own custom routines on a game by game basis), there will > need to be a whole new set of OS routines that will work with the > higher resolution. I'm assuming this already exists on the arcade > machines, so I think you could kill 2 birds with one stone by > analyzing the WoW and Gorf hardware. If you get these to run on the > Astrocade II, you'll enable homebrew games to use commercial mode in > the process. > > You could probably use Robby Roto as a reference since it doesn't use > the speech chip and the source should be available. The problem with both games is that they use special frame buffer fill hardware, or special effects stuff like the star field generator. I might make some sense to incorporate a fast (i.e., DMA around the Z80) frame buffer fill into the new design. If so, this would probably be NOT 100% compatible with the coin-op versions. Tony Miller From cybpunks@h... Sat Mar 23 10:29:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 23 Mar 2002 18:29:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 71204 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 18:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2002 18:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 18:29:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2002 18:29:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:29:29 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Commercial mode Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 920 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "cybpunks" X-Originating-IP: 4.47.0.208 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: cybpunks >> The problem with both games is that they use special frame buffer fill hardware, or special effects stuff like the star field generator. I might make some sense to incorporate a fast (i.e., DMA around the Z80) frame buffer fill into the new design. If so, this would probably be NOT 100% compatible with the coin-op versions. << The thing is, if the arcade designers thought it was a necessity to provide a frame buffer fill function in the hardware, then the higher resolution probably puts too many demands on the stock BPA chipset to get a reasonable amount of objects moving around at that res. For instance, all you have to do is look at the way the OS routines work to see that going to 320x200 increases the overhead dramatically because all X positions have to be set via two bytes instead of one. Then if you consider that the sprites are going to be bigger, there is a lot more work to do. From rcolbert@c... Fri Mar 29 16:51:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Mar 2002 00:51:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20805 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2002 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2002 00:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2002 00:50:56 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.96.75]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020330005040.EZDS5371.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:50:40 -0500 To: Subject: BallyBin Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:50:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware Hi, It's been a while since you've all heard from me. I'm sorry I haven't posted this sooner, but an early version of BallyBin is available at my website: http://members.cox.net/rcolbert Look for the ballybin link near the top of the page. This version creates a .bin file as well as a remastered .wav file. The file format of the .bin is not final, so don't base anything off of it. I'm just starting to work on the program again and would like to finish it up. I'd love to hear some feedback. To use it, create a .wav file of a bally tape. Make the settings something relatively normal. I suggest 44khz mono. Then, call the program by issuing this command in DOS: ballybin nameofthewav.wav nameofthebin.bin The new .wav file is named new.wav in the same directory as the executable. I really need to clean this program up. Have Fun! Bob From refaseara@y... Sat Mar 30 19:49:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: refaseara@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 03:49:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5011 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 03:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 03:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 03:49:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2002 03:49:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:46:33 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: This site is helpful Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 191 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "refaseara" X-Originating-IP: 208.49.145.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107810241 X-Yahoo-Profile: refaseara I've been looking for a place to find a credit card. Here it is. My credit was really bad but, they where able to appove me! Check it out! Click on link Below! http://apply4creditcard.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Mar 31 05:35:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 13:35:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 43356 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 13:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 13:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 13:35:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 05:35:45 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:35:45 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] BallyBin Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 05:35:45 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2002 13:35:45.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[F625A990:01C1D8B8] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo << ...[an] early version of BallyBin is available at my website: http://members.cox.net/rcolbert >> Bob, I can not find the link to BallyBin. I've used search; I've viewed the source, but I just can't see the link to the program. I feel ridiculous asking this, but where is it? Could you link directly to the file? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From rcolbert@c... Sun Mar 31 06:41:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 14:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 59490 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 14:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 14:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 14:41:43 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.96.75]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020331144133.IUEX9262.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:41:33 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] BallyBin Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:41:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1D88F.DE3235C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1D88F.DE3235C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez, for some reason, Frontpage didn't put the new page up. It's there now, and impossible to miss!!! Sorry for the confusion. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:36 AM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] BallyBin << ...[an] early version of BallyBin is available at my website: http://members.cox.net/rcolbert >> Bob, I can not find the link to BallyBin. I've used search; I've viewed the source, but I just can't see the link to the program. I feel ridiculous asking this, but where is it? Could you link directly to the file? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Geez,  for some reason, Frontpage didn't put the new page up.=  =20 It's there now, and impossible to miss!!!  Sorry for the=20 confusion.
 
        =        =20 Bob
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Bob,

I=20 can not find the link to BallyBin.  I've used search; I've viewed th= e=20
source, but I just can't see the link to the program.  I feel=20 ridiculous
asking this, but where is it?  Could you link directl= y to=20 the=20 file?

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1D88F.DE3235C0-- From ballyalley@h... Sun Mar 31 10:27:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 18:27:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 32361 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:27:08 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:27:08 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] BallyBin Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:27:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2002 18:27:08.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA833010:01C1D8E1] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo March 31, 2002 I've tried Ballybin (here's what I've done): 1) Saved a 2000 baud file as (44khz mono) - Works fine. I'm able to reload the new.wav file without a hitch. This is good news, because I can't even reload the original file I save, but after a file passes through ballybin, it loads okay. 2) I recorded a multiload cassette tape game called "L.T." (by Wavemakers). It took several tries, and required me to manually manipulate the recorded wav file before it would worked, but it finally did. I need to spend more time with Ballybin, but I wanted to let you know that I took a look and like what I see. Bob, I know that you don't have many tapes, so I can record a couple of tapes and burn the wav files to CD for you to test out (if you need). I also would like to try the program that takes the .bin file and converts it into a wav file (is this, perhaps, an option with the current program?). I have been testing various ML programs with the emulator, and would like to see what happens when I try to move them over to the Astrocade (into my Blue Ram). One little thing that doesn't have to do with your program. I was having some trouble at first-- I tried a different Bally BASIC and then everything worked fine. I'm not sure if some of the BASIC carts are more sensitive than others, but either way, for anyone who wants to try this program, if you are having trouble, I urge you to try a different BASIC cart. I'm going to play with this program some more (I must!), but it IS a holiday today... Happy holidays, and good job! Adam Trionfo _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From cybrbong@y... Sun Mar 31 11:24:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybrbong@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 31 Mar 2002 19:24:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 6584 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 19:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2002 19:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 19:24:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2002 19:24:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:24:48 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Bally fan to group! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "BoissyUnit" X-Originating-IP: 68.42.149.246 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8088784 X-Yahoo-Profile: BoissyUnit Greetings! My name is John from Ann Arbor, MI. Back in the late 70's...early 80's my dad worked for Montgomery Wards, one of the few retail stores that carried the Bally Astrocade. We got the BPA for X-Mas, instead of an Atari 2600 and at first, we were disappointed. Then I found out how damn cool the BPA was!!! I could program...I could draw on the TV screen...I could play a home version of the Wizard of Wor, one of fav arcade games!!! THE BPA WAS AWESOME!!! I'm 34 now...and I still have my BPA...safely tucked away in it's original box. If there's a project to release a BPA 2, I'd like to volunteer my services in a creative capacity. I can design, draw and create sprite-based graphics. Feel free to drop me a line. Long live the Bally! John From rcolbert@c... Wed Apr 03 19:06:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 03:06:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 7795 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 03:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 03:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao07.cox.net) (68.1.17.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 03:06:18 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.96.75]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020404030616.UWXC5105.lakemtao07.cox.net@b...> for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:06:16 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] BallyBin Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:06:26 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1DB53.6AC79DC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1DB53.6AC79DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, I know that you don't have many tapes, so I can record a couple of tapes and burn the wav files to CD for you to test out (if you need). [Bob Colbert] That would be good. The more variety the better. I'd really like to make a graphical interface for this program that lets you "tweak" the .wav file as it attempts to decode it. I am not a Windows coder though. I also would like to try the program that takes the .bin file and converts it into a wav file (is this, perhaps, an option with the current program?). I have been testing various ML programs with the emulator, and would like to see what happens when I try to move them over to the Astrocade (into my Blue Ram). [Bob Colbert] The program doesn't exist yet. Ballybin does it, but it doesn't read from the .bin file, instead it basically writes out the new .wav file as it reads the old one. I've been investigating using XML for a file format as Glenn suggested quite a while back. I've determined that it really isn't a perfect solution. XML is really for text content only. To have binary content you need to use binhex encoding or have a reference to an external file. I don't think that people would be thrilled about having to coordinate multiple files for one game. One little thing that doesn't have to do with your program. I was having some trouble at first-- I tried a different Bally BASIC and then everything worked fine. I'm not sure if some of the BASIC carts are more sensitive than others, but either way, for anyone who wants to try this program, if you are having trouble, I urge you to try a different BASIC cart. I'm going to play with this program some more (I must!), but it IS a holiday today... Happy holidays, and good job! [Bob Colbert] Glad you had some success! I need to work on the program some more and get the Ballywav program working. I'm not too far away, but it's just a matter of getting time to do it. Bob _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? 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Bob, I know that you don't have many tapes, so I can record a= =20 couple of
tapes and burn the wav files to CD for you to test out (if yo= u=20 need).

[Bob Colbert] 
That would be good.  The more variety the better.  = I'd=20 really like to make a graphical interface for this program that lets you "t= weak"=20 the .wav file as it attempts to decode it.  I am not a Windows coder=20 though.

I also would like to try the program that takes the .bin file and= =20 converts
it into a wav file (is this, perhaps, an option with the curre= nt=20 program?). 
I have been testing various ML programs with the emula= tor,=20 and would like to
see what happens when I try to move them over to the= =20 Astrocade (into my Blue
Ram).

<= FONT=20 face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>[Bob Colbert] 
The program doesn't exist yet.  Ballybin does = it, but=20 it doesn't read from the .bin file, instead it basically writes out the new= .wav=20 file as it reads the old one.  I've been investigating using XML = for a=20 file format as Glenn suggested quite a while back.  I've determin= ed=20 that it really isn't a perfect solution.  XML is really for text= =20 content only.  To have binary content you need to use binhex enco= ding=20 or have a reference to an external file.  I don't think that people wo= uld=20 be thrilled about having to coordinate multiple files for one=20 game.
 
One little thing tha= t=20 doesn't have to do with your program.  I was having
some trouble a= t=20 first-- I tried a different Bally BASIC and then everything
worked=20 fine.  I'm not sure if some of the BASIC carts are more sensitive
= than=20 others, but either way, for anyone who wants to try this program, if
yo= u are=20 having trouble, I urge you to try a different BASIC cart.

I'm going = to=20 play with this program some more (I must!), but it IS a holiday=20
today...  Happy holidays, and good job!

[Bob= =20 Colbert] 
Glad you had some success!  I need to work on the progra= m some=20 more and get the Ballywav program working.  I'm not too far away,= but=20 it's just a matter of getting time to do it.

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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1DB53.6AC79DC0-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Apr 05 09:06:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 5 Apr 2002 17:06:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 35373 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 17:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2002 17:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 17:06:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:06:02 -0800 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 17:06:01 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: DP Guide Assistance Requested Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:06:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 17:06:02.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A267A30:01C1DCC4] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo April 5, 2002 In the next few days I'll need some volunteer assistance in updating the DP Guide Astrocade section. I will be posting specific questions, and I am hoping that people can help Michael and I verify some gray areas (mostly these questions are going to address release dates). I have some questions already, but I'm going to compile them and post them together over the weekend, with hope of some quick responses. So keep an eye out... Adam Trionfo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From ballyalley@h... Tue Apr 09 07:00:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 9 Apr 2002 14:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 77613 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 13:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2002 13:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.189) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 13:59:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:59:52 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:59:52 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade II and Pong kit Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 06:59:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2002 13:59:52.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[D251AE70:01C1DFCE] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I'd like to see an Astrocade 32K RAM expansion with serial I/O hardware project. The Astrocade II is a grand scheme, but can't we have an intermediate step? Though not Astrocade specific, this pong kit link is worth a look. It's a Pong system sold as a kit. Take a look, it's neat (and maybe it will get those old synapses clicking) in this Astrocade community. http://www.myatari.net/issues/apr2002/retro.htm Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Apr 12 07:06:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 12 Apr 2002 14:06:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 71563 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2002 14:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2002 14:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2002 14:06:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:06:44 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:06:44 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Bally "computer warm-up instructions" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:06:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 14:06:44.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[46F0ECB0:01C1E22B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Included in the "Bally Professional Arcade Fun and Brains Owner's Manual" is an index-size card that states: WARM WARM-UP INSTRUCTION During the first few minutes of operation of your Bally Video Entertainment/Home Computer System, a random pattern may appear on the screen. Should this occur, simply press the reset button to clear. In some rare instances, it may be neccessary to turn the power switch off, then on again to completely clear the computer circuit. Due to the sophisticated computer circuitry operation, this condition may occur until the unit has reached its stable operating temperature. Why does the Bally do this? It almost always happens (though I've NEVER had to turn the switch on, then off again)-- what's the REAL explanation? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From fmillera@p... Fri Apr 12 19:26:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 02:26:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 47032 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 02:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 02:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 02:26:14 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.244.118]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUH006MKIRO3U@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:26:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally "computer warm-up instructions" In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020412192233.00ab68e8@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3724795==_.ALT" From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_3724795==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:06 AM 4/12/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Included in the "Bally Professional Arcade Fun and Brains Owner's Manual" is >an index-size card that states: > >WARM WARM-UP INSTRUCTION > >During the first few minutes of operation of your Bally Video >Entertainment/Home Computer System, a random pattern may appear on the >screen. This random pattern is the contents of screen memory, which comes up random and is cleared by the Z80 early in the initialization cycle. We used to call this display 'rat turds'. >Should this occur, simply press the reset button to clear. In some rare >instances, it may be neccessary to turn the power switch off, then on again >to completely clear the computer circuit. > >Due to the sophisticated computer circuitry operation, this condition may >occur until the unit has reached its stable operating temperature. > > >Why does the Bally do this? It almost always happens (though I've NEVER had >to turn the switch on, then off again)-- what's the REAL explanation? If the Z80 doesn't come out of reset properly, the screen won't get cleared. The reset circuit is a cheap and dirty switch, resistor and capacitor, and doesn't always work correctly. Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >http://mobile.msn.com > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_3724795==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:06 AM 4/12/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Included in the "Bally Professional Arcade Fun and Brains Owner's Manual" is
an index-size card that states:

WARM WARM-UP INSTRUCTION

During the first few minutes of operation of your Bally Video
Entertainment/Home Computer System, a random pattern may appear on the
screen.


This random pattern is the contents of screen memory, which comes up random and is cleared by the Z80 early in the initialization cycle.  We used to call this display 'rat turds'.


Should this occur, simply press the reset button to clear.  In some rare
instances, it may be neccessary to turn the power switch off, then on again
to completely clear the computer circuit.

Due to the sophisticated computer circuitry operation, this condition may
occur until the unit has reached its stable operating temperature.


Why does the Bally do this?  It almost always happens (though I've NEVER had
to turn the switch on, then off again)-- what's the REAL explanation?

If the Z80 doesn't come out of reset properly, the screen won't get cleared.  The reset circuit is a cheap and dirty switch, resistor and capacitor, and doesn't always work correctly. 

Cheers,

Tony Miller


Adam

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X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 13 Apr 2002 11:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 60031 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2002 11:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2002 11:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.94) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2002 11:56:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:56:06 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:56:06 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Licensed 'Wizard of Wor' Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:56:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2002 11:56:06.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[31765750:01C1E2E2] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Astrocade changed the name of several games when they bought the Bally Professional Arcade. We figure Astrocade, Inc. didn't get the license for the games (so they renamed them), but that doesn't explain the port of 'Wizard of Wor.' Why was it renamed? Here are the credits for 'The Incredible Wizard' (typed directly from the Astrocade manual): THE INCREDIBLE WIZARD #2017 Created by Tom McHugh, Scot Norris, and Julie Malan. With creative consultation and in conjunction with Action Graphics, Inc. Produced by Astrocade, Inc. Licensed from Bally/Midway Mfg. Co. and based on the original (c) "Wizard of Wor" game done by Dave Nutting Associates (A Bally Co.) Cassette documentation by Scot Norris and Dave Armstrong Copyright Action Graphics, Inc. 2/22/82 The manual states that the game is "licensed from Bally/Midway Mfg. Co." Why then change the name of this well-known arcade game? Also, notice how extensive these credits are, there were a number of different people that worked on this project to get it out the door-- maybe that's why it turned out so well. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Apr 13 18:57:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 14 Apr 2002 01:57:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 82185 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2002 01:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2002 01:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2002 01:57:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:57:46 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:57:46 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Astrocade Pinball'-- Do you have it? Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:57:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2002 01:57:46.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5E5DBC0:01C1E357] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 'Astrocade Pinball'-- Do you have it? Bally Pin exists-- does anyone have a cartridge called "Astrocade Pinball" or some other variation on the name? Post some info about it to the group (I need it for the DP Guide). Think in these terms: Does the menu display the same name as the cart, what's the cart label say (who made it, Astrocade, Astrovision, etc.). If possible, scan the cart and post it into the file area. I'm going to be posting more questions like this, so keep your eyes open. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From lasrtt@g... 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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:42:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01C1E31A.E5D0B640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C1E31A.E5D0B640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: Gee I thaugh I had just about everything, but not this one. Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: [ballyalley] 'Astrocade Pinball'-- Do you have it? 'Astrocade Pinball'-- Do you have it? Bally Pin exists-- does anyone have a cartridge called "Astrocade Pinball= "=20 or some other variation on the name? Post some info about it to the grou= p=20 (I need it for the DP Guide). Think in these terms: Does the menu displa= y=20 the same name as the cart, what's the cart label say (who made it,=20 Astrocade, Astrovision, etc.). If possible, scan the cart and post it in= to=20 the file area. I'm going to be posting more questions like this, so keep your eyes open. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.as= p. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C1E31A.E5D0B640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam:
   Gee I thaugh I had just about= =20 everything, but not this one.
Rick.....
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'Astrocade Pinball'-- Do you have it?

Bally Pin= =20 exists-- does anyone have a cartridge called "Astrocade Pinball"
or s= ome=20 other variation on the name?  Post some info about it to the group <= BR>(I=20 need it for the DP Guide).  Think in these terms: Does the menu disp= lay=20
the same name as the cart, what's the cart label say (who made it,=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C1E31A.E5D0B640-- From ballyalley@h... Mon Apr 15 09:41:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 15 Apr 2002 16:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 62182 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2002 16:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2002 16:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2002 16:24:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:24:02 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:24:01 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: MLM and Critter Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:24:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2002 16:24:02.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[F42B6B60:01C1E499] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I ran "Critter" on the emulator today- and it works fine. I typed in the Hex code into the "Machine Language Manager" cart and then called the program. I also entered it on a real Astrocade, using the same method, and it works well there too (as it should). There is a small difference between running "Critter" on the emulator and running it on an Astrocade; the emulator runs it (just a bit) jerky, while the Astrocade's animated movement is smooth. Since I have a 1.8 Ghz P4 I figure this has nothing to do with the speed of my machine... If some people are interested I'll put some effort into making some screen shots of using the MLM cart on ballyalley.com (along with the little red critter). If you know ML at all, then playing with this cart is EASY (but if machine language is not familiar to you, then using the cart won't come easy). The manual for the the MLM cart is available on ballyalley.com. It includes several example programs and is good documentation for anyone interested in playing around with ML on the Astrocade. Those people that have purchased the multicart have this program and should check it out; MLM doesn't require any extra RAM, and (if nothing else) it lets you check out a small character font on the Astrocade without extended memory. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Wed Apr 17 16:12:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 17 Apr 2002 23:12:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 66313 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 23:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2002 23:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.219) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 23:12:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:12:11 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:12:10 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Extended Memory Use In The Zgrass Graphics System Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:12:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2002 23:12:11.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DACA510:01C1E665] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo This article written in 1983 by Tom DeFanti is a real eye-opener as to what the ZGRASS did and didn't do, and just how related it is with the Astrocade. Adam EXTENDED MEMORY USE IN THE ZGRASS GRAPHICS SYSTEM Thomas A. DeFanti University of Illinois at Chicago Department of EECS Box 4348 Chicago, IL 60680, U.S.A. Originally published in InterGraphics '83 Technical Sessions B 7-3. Computing has always been faced with the choice of optimizing for time (computer power) or space (memory). Real-time computer graphics is most likely the subset of computing that must choose between space and time most effectively. This paper describes in detail the evolved techniques of software memory management used by the Zgrass system to allow a slow (1.7mhz) Z-80 to be the processor for a useful computer animation workstation with at least 300K and up to 1472K bytes of memory. Conclusions will be drawn as to the applicability of these techniques to the new 16-bit microprocessors with memory management. Background The system being described here is formally called the Datamax UV-1. Since its software is called Zgrass, an earlier version of which is described in [l], we will refer to it as the Zqrass system. It actually started as a home computer graphics system in 1977 and later, after having been rebuilt for the cable television industry, became an artist's workstation for video production. The Zgrass system was developed to make people want to program by providing rich animated feedback with few initial barriers, yet give the user the ability to unravel layers upon layers of built-in sophistication when and if the desire arose. Rather extensive testing of the software has occurred at the University of Illinois at Chicago and the School of the Art Institute of Chicago where hundreds of art and engineering students have used it for the past several years and about 100 systems exist at this point. It is a system that encourages the writing of software tools as extensions to the command language and it makes possible the performance of real-time interactive visuals. Most of the systems are used by artists most of whom have become programmers over the years. Difficulties of the Z-80 In 1977, the Z-80 was a rather advanced chip compared to the 8080, but in 1983, it is considered slow and primitive. In 1977, 64K bytes of memory was the limit for a personal computer; today we talk of megabyte ones. In 1977, one was lucky to have a macro assembler and a linking loader that worked. Now, assembler coding may be largely abandoned for programming in C. The Zgrass Custom Chips A research effort at Dave Nutting Associates, a division of Bally Corporation, produced in 1976 several custom integrated circuits to assist the Z-80 in making real-time color video at 320x201x2 bits per pixel resolution. A 1.7mhz Z-80, of course, can barely do more by itself than drive the terminal this paper is being written on if it has to generate video. These custom chips which have been used in several coin-operated video games are still in production and were the basis for the home system called the Bally Arcade. The chips have the distinct advantage that they form a true bit-mapped frame-buffer and generate rather good NTSC video, a rarity in personal graphics systems then and now. These chips were very closely tied into the Z-80 so the development of Zgrass was locked in to both the chips and the Z-80 as well. Some 20,000 lines of assembler code had been written, so going to a faster processor was not possible; faster Z-80's would not work with the custom chips. Thus, the only reasonable way to improve performance was to expand memory. At the time of the BYTE article (1980), the Zgrass system had 16K of ROM, 16K of screen RAM, and 32K of user RAM. The ROM, later expanded to 32K, holds system code so the machine can run without booting anything from disk. The screen RAM uses 32 chips so it can be accessed 32 bits at a time in parallel to generate the video signal. The 32K user RAM is used for user programs, subpictures (called SNAPS), arrays, and so on. It is dynamically allocated and reclaimed in 4K or less blocks according to a highly tuned best fit algorithm. 32K is not much space for SNAPS, arrays and programs so the disk software was designed to be more or less an extension of user RAM. Inexpensive 5" floppy disks are slow, however. The one we chose takes four seconds to go from track 0 to track 76. The use of the disk to store software tools and SNAPS works well but is slow since the disk has to seek quite often. Even Winchester-type disks, although 20 times faster, still do an unfortunate amount of seeking. Since we were using the disk as extended RAM, it was an obvious step to load the disk into RAM and fetch out of it, so we did it. Of course, the Z-80 does not have memory management so the hardware was built rather straightforwardly and the software provided the flexibility needed. The Current Memory Architecture of Zgrass The system now supports 32K of ROM, 256K of screen RAM, 32K of user RAM and up to 576K of EPROM or 1152K of ROM. (An additional 32K of RAM is used to support a 64K CP/M (CP/M is a trademark of Digital Research, Inc.) system but it is not accessed by Zgrass so it will not be further discussed.) All the extra memory added is mapped into the address range 16-32K so that it can be accessed by the custom chips. The custom chips have special features which are enabled by addressing the screen during writes to memory 0-16K instead of 16-32K. Since there is always ROM at 0-16K, this is not a waste of addressing space. When a write goes to 0-16K, the data is manipulated by the chips according to an 8-bit value held in what the designers call "the magic register." The bits in the register, which you set by writing to a port, specify two extremely useful operations between the new data and the data on the screen: logical or and logical xor. They also allow the data to be shifted 0, 1, 2, or 3 pixels before writing to the screen. The shifter is critical to the implementation of animations since pixels are packed four to a byte (2 bits/pixel) and laying a pattern down on non-byte boundaries would otherwise require pitifully slow shifting, masking and writing of each pixel in Z-80 machine instructions. The shifter does read-modify-writes and all the masking to make transfers to memory with shifts as fast as the logical function writes. Straight access to screen memory can be done by addressing 16-32K. Of course, reads from 0-16K yield instructions and data from the system ROM. In the middle of 1981, memory prices dropped on 64K bit RAMS. Since we had 32 sockets for screen memory anyway, it was simple to modify the system to accept 32 64K bit RAMS to give 256K bytes of screen RAM. The difference in cost is about $200.00. Changing the amount of memory by 16 times in any system profoundly affects its performance. The subject of this paper is describing just how profound the change is. (Just for completeness, the second 16K of the 32K system ROM also overlaps the addresses 16-32K. The code in that 16K is constrained to never read or write screen RAM. All the graphics code is in the lower 16K or loaded into the RAM located at 32-64K.) Keep It Obvious and Friendly One of Zgrass's main tenets is "keep it obvious." Computer hardware tends to be devious and clever so keeping it obvious requires an astonishing amount of creative thought, testing and reworking. Yet, flexibility is also a primary goal, one more important to the user with a task at hand than anything else. Before explaining how the extra memory is used in detail, let us state it briefly: The 256K of screen RAM can be used for: a. sixteen screens, switchable instantaneously b. four screens plus 192K disk cache c. four screens plus panorama screen(s) "Keeping it obvious" allows one to provide flexibility even if it is forced to be idiosyncratic by the hardware. Zgrass implements special device variables which are always set to default values on startup but may be altered by the user when the feature the variable specifies is needed. Specific to this discussion, $MW indicates on which screen of 16 the writes should be (e.g. $MW=5 means write on screen 5). $TV is set to the screen you wish to view on the television monitor. Clearly, you can be modifying one screen while viewing another, easily implementing double or even 16-buffered schemes. Thus, with a procedure not much different from changing the channel on a television set, users can have easy access to 256K of screen RAM. $MW and $TV are taken modulo 16 normally. However, when disk cache or panorama modes (b. and c. above) are enabled, $MW is taken modulo 4 to prevent accidental destruction of data. The Disk Cache The disk cache is setup by the DLOAD command which reads a whole floppy disk side into 12 of the 16 screens. Both floppies and Winchester-type disks are formatted into 192K byte logical units comprised of 384 512-byte sectors. After DLOAD'ing, all subsequent reads and writes to that logical disk actually go to the cached memory. DLOAD.ZAP writes the disk back out again. The disk cache eliminates all seek time and transfers programs, arrays, SNAPS, and so on at memory to memory speeds (80K bytes/second at 1.7mhz clock rates). Of course, a disk file structure is not the optimal way to use RAM, but it has the distinct advantage that the modifications to the system to increase the user's RAM by sixfold only required a small amount of code to be added. More important though, the user has no problem understanding the disk cache, can move easily from a 16-screen system to a 4-screen system with disk cache. Furthermore, user backup is easy to do. If the 256K memory had been available when the system was designed in 1977, a different scheme might have been used, although given that the screen RAM is constrained by hardware to contain only data (the Z-80 cannot execute code out of it), the 256K memory would need special treatment anyway. With the disk cache, a rather elaborate paint program was written in Zgrass by Copper Giloth to enable artists to draw and animate. The numerous modules are loaded and executed without perceptible delay based on menu choices of the user. Animations occupying about l/4 the screen can be easily animated at 20 times a second. Panoramas The third option for using the screen memory is by building panoramas. This option was designed and implemented by Stephen Joyce, the author of most of the graphics code in Zgrass. The BUILD command allocates some or all of the last 12 screens as one or more "super screen." One can specify a single 3x4, 4x3, 1x12, 12x1, 6x2 or 2x6 super screen. A 3x4 super screen, for example, has dimensions 960x804, given that each screen is 320x201. Or, you can have several smaller super screens like two 2x3's or six 1x2's for example. The DISPLAY command which ordinarily places SNAPS anywhere on any screen has an option to use a super screen instead of a SNAP as the source. The data is clipped to either the whole current screen (as specified by $MW) or a subset of the current screen set by the WINDOW command. Thus, a large image like a map may be viewed through a 320x201 or smaller window and you can roam around quite easily and quickly. SCALE is a command that works like DISPLAY except that it allows shrinking or expanding of the data while writing to the current screen. The PLACE command stores rectangular areas of the current screen on a super screen. Following the next section on EPROM/ROM disks, an attempt will be made to justify which of these memory structures make sense in a system with lots of memory (like 68000's, PDP-11's and Z-8000's with memory management). Zgrass, of course, is an experiment in inexpensive graphics technology for personal access by artists and educators and, in such, provides many lessons to the designer of a new system. EPROM/ROM Disks The Zgrass system is ideal for the cable-tv operator who desires graphics better than those offered by teletext systems. Zgrass in this mode acts like a remote character generator with animation capability. Several problems had to be solved for this application, however. First, a suitable way to send commands and data had to be designed so that human operators would not be needed. This was not very difficult and was quickly done. Second, rotating memories like disks are simply not rugged enough for the environment of a cable head end block house. Cable TV equipment is designed for negligible downtime so a disk without moving parts had to be designed. Clearly, mass chip memory was the only answer. The EPROM/ROM disk is configured as a board with 24 8K byte EPROMs (one 192K disk image) or 24 16K byte ROMs (two 192K disk images). For hardware simplicity, the maximum number of boards is three so a total of 576K EPROM or 1152K ROM may be installed. Picking 192K as the logical size once again allows the user to fully debug the package on a floppy, Winchester-type or cache disk before committing to EPROM or ROM. Once the application is ready, it is a simple matter to transfer the whole disk to EPROM using a conventional EPROM programmer. ROM's, of course, have a much more involved manufacturing process. Once again, adding support for the EPROM/ROM disk required only a tiny increment in code given that this memory also resides in pages at the 16-32K address space. Thus, it may be observed that this modest Z-80 system may be configured to have up to 1472K bytes of memory, all but 48K of it mapped into 16K pages at 16-32K. Applicability to 16-Bit Systems The Zgrass community eagerly awaits a higher-resolution system. A 640x480 screen requires 38,400 bytes/bit plane. To maintain the animation speed, a much faster processor is needed. Fortunately, Z-8000's, 68000's and PDP-11 chips are fast enough and also allow development of the software in the C language. Current work is proceeding on a VAX in simulation mode for several types of graphic display units. Faced at this point with a total re-design, what is worth keeping? Without a doubt, the EPROM/ROM disk is a good idea. Rotating memories are simply unacceptable in poor environments where low-cost graphics may be needed. The EPROM disk is also quite a bit cheaper and much faster than disk drives. Its maintenance-free, operator-less operation is very desirable. It also fits right into a card rack using available power. These benefits, of course, are recognized by home video game manufacturers who supply software on ROM cartridges. The disk cache is also a transferable concept. Creative users of a programmable system have no trouble dealing with disk files, if only to facilitate creation of libraries of software tools and images. Having disk images execute out of memory saves time and considerable wear on the mechanics of the disk drives. The panorama idea also has validity in higher-resolution systems. Hardware support for choosing the window would be desirable so roaming around a large database could be done in real-time. Hardware scaling would also be quite useful. User main memory, limited to 32K in the current Zgrass, should be much larger, in fact, expansion to any affordable size should be automatically supported. The current memory allocation and reclamation schemes are quite usable, however, and work well enough to be modified for much larger memory spaces. It is also clear that multiple screens are important. Two screens allow double buffering; more allow animation. Although 16 have been very effective in Zgrass, a new system should provide for as many as the user can afford to buy. Five seconds of full animation at 12 screens per second (the speed of conventional animation on two's) requires 60 screens. Of course, at a resolution of 640x480x8 bits/pixel, 60 screens require 18 megabytes of memory. High resolution has its price, although, at current costs, 18 megabytes is not out of the range of studio broadcast television equipment. Conclusions This paper has narrowed its focus to memory paging techniques found useful in extending a Z-80-based graphics system to fully utilize a large memory space in a user-friendly way. Many of the techniques are directly applicable and desirable in systems having much greater memory addressing capability. Working on a small, low-resolution animation system with extensive memory has given insight into how to design higher-resolution workstations for artists, and much practice with delivery systems in situations applicable to videogames, interactive movies, education, public information displays and conventional television. Reference: [l] DeFanti, Thomas A., "Language Control Structures for Easy Electronic Visualization," BYTE, Vol. 5, No. 11, November 1980, pp. 90-104. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From komb@s... Wed Apr 17 17:50:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 18 Apr 2002 00:50:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 8281 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2002 00:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2002 00:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.184) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2002 00:50:17 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.217]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020418005016.HWDB26082.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:50:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3CBE1808.3030807@s...> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:49:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020326 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Extended Memory Use In The Zgrass Graphics System References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > This article written in 1983 by Tom DeFanti is a real eye-opener as to what > the ZGRASS did and didn't do, and just how related it is with the Astrocade. > > Adam > Breath taking... Interesting to note the current graphics industry didn't go this way. :( Although, Blitters on the Amiga and ST, and now available on PCs allowed the 'SNAP' and 'SHOW' type programming on single display systems. Man, Wish I could get my hands on one of these... :) Lance From ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Thu Apr 18 21:31:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23774 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 00:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2002 00:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 00:57:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2002 00:56:59 -0000 Date: 19 Apr 2002 00:56:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1019177817.2895.56526.w11@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ballyalley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley group. File : /Images/balcheck.jpg Uploaded by : atrionfo Description : BallyCheck hardware - This is a fuzzy pic from a (bad) photocopy. But, it's SOMETHING. Now, let's find one! You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Images/balcheck.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, atrionfo From ballyalley@h... Thu Apr 18 21:48:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 19 Apr 2002 04:48:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 45857 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2002 00:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2002 00:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.23) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2002 00:46:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:46:09 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:46:08 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: BallyCheck - Well, now we know Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:46:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2002 00:46:09.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[9877F690:01C1E73B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I got a surprise in the mail today-- information on the BalCheck hardware (called BallyCheck in the docs). There seems to be enough so that someone can duplicate it. James? Ward? Tony? Rob? I'll scan what I got and post it to the file section soon. Here's some neat stuff to tide you over: - At least two hundred BallyCheck units were made and shipped - The ROM source (which is already available on Bally Alley) is marked with the changes for each ROM (called "System 1 ROM" and "System 2 ROM") - 2732 EPROM is on the Ballycheck device (NOT a cartridge), so the Bally Check software runs from the 50-pin port. Oh, and there's even a (very) fuzzy picture of the beast (I'm going to post that to the file section in a few minutes). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From fmillera@p... Fri Apr 19 19:56:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 20 Apr 2002 02:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 79082 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2002 02:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2002 02:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2002 02:56:42 -0000 Received: from TONY ([63.199.240.129]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUU00AEAIUH96@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:56:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] BallyCheck - Well, now we know In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020419195132.00ac5cc0@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: Tony Miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 05:46 PM 4/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I got a surprise in the mail today-- information on the BalCheck hardware >(called BallyCheck in the docs). There seems to be enough so that someone >can duplicate it. James? Ward? Tony? Rob? I'll scan what I got and post >it to the file section soon. Since it says it was built for Astorvision, it was after my time @ DNA. Never having seen one of these before, I'll take a SWAG at what it is: A tester, containing the EPROM Adam mentioned, and what appears to be a 2-digit 7 Segment LED Display. The clip lead probably hooks up to the +5 volt pin on the light pen port, and the thing is used to test (or burn-in) a BPA. I would guess you'd turn it on and it would do the test, perhaps giving you some instructions on the screen, or then again, maybe just LED codes that display an error code relating to what it found wrong, or a code saying what button to press to perform what test. Can't make out what is just to the left of the 'display' (if that is indeed what it is) but the first line appears to be 'RGB'. Cheers, Tony Miller >Here's some neat stuff to tide you over: > > - At least two hundred BallyCheck units were made and shipped > - The ROM source (which is already available on Bally Alley) > is marked with the changes for each ROM (called "System 1 > ROM" and "System 2 ROM") > - 2732 EPROM is on the Ballycheck device (NOT a cartridge), > so the Bally Check software runs from the 50-pin port. > >Oh, and there's even a (very) fuzzy picture of the beast (I'm going to post >that to the file section in a few minutes). > >Adam > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ballyalley@h... Mon Apr 22 08:08:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 22 Apr 2002 15:08:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 80981 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 15:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2002 15:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.17) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2002 15:06:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:06:57 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:06:57 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: "Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:06:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2002 15:06:57.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[58A79030:01C1EA0F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo "Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program In 1983 Bruce Jaeger wrote a program for the Astrocade the was published in Creative Computing magazine. Though I've had the article and program listing on ballyalley.com for over a year, he made it "official" today by releasing the program into the public domain. The article and program can be downloaded in pdf format from: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/type-in_programs/type-in_programs.html Remember that when downloading pdf files from ballyalley.com you must right-click and select save as (this is because the ads interfere with the downloading of pdf files). I've used OCR software and some editing/typing to create the article, but not the program, as a text file, which I'm including here. Thanks Bruce! Adam Cavern Quest By Bruce Jaeger The Bally Arcade (or Astrocade) is probably the most undersung of the home computer systems, and undeservedly so. The color graphics and sound capabilities were, and in many cases still are, years ahead of the competition, both in the cartridge games and with Bally Basic. The most serious limitations have been the small, calculator-style keyboard and the mere 1800 bytes of RAM. Was I crazy then, to attempt to write an adventure game for the Bally? Perhaps. But I tried, and I think you will enjoy the result. I knew that no magic was strong enough to fit any kind of traditional Adventure game into those 1800 bytes. In addition, a novice at the Bally keypad could take days to type in "Take the Amulet," so I elected to use joystick 1 for input. The scenario of the game is straight-forward. Jesse James, the Robin Hood or Attila the Hun of Missouri (depending on your point of view), has hidden a treasure deep in a cave, and you want to go in, find it, and bring it out. That's it. No magic birds, sword-wielding ogres or dissembling oracles. Not only would that have been quite a task in 1800 bytes, but it turns out that a simple, realistic exploration of a three-dimensional cave is difficult enough, thank you. The cavern passages do not form a traditional maze, as there is often more than one path to the treasure, and any path is liable to loop back on itself-sometimes in an inexplicable way. Make a map. The Program The first third of the program generates the passages of the cave, using the random number generator, so unlike most adventure games, the cave is different each time. Also at this time the various artifacts of the James boys are strewn about, and the treasure hidden. It takes about half a minute or so for the computer to do its work. The rest of the program is the playing section. The player enters the cave, and is told whether passages lead north, south, east, west, up or down. Pushing the joystick forward is the equivalent of saying Go North, and the other compass directions correspond. As you will never get both an Up and a Down choice at the same point, a simple pull of the trigger (or firing button) suffices to indicate climb or descent. Then it is simply a matter of wandering through the cave, keeping track of where you are, finding the treasure, and making your way out again. To make the cavern as large as possible none of the fine Bally sound effects or graphics other than color changes have been used. Because of the restricted memory, it is also important not to type in any spaces between commands, except as noted in lines 54 and 55. Vic Version I have included a translation of Cavern Quest for the Vic computer (or any other regular Basic computer, with modifications), as Bally Basic code is often difficult to translate. The cavern can be made much larger if you wish, by increasing the value of variable B in line 15 to as much as your available memory will allow. Again, I have used no sound effects or fancy graphics, to make translation of the program into other dialects of Basic easier. The POKEs in lines 15 and 260 change the Vic screen and border colors, and the joystick subroutine at line 1000 is obviously peculiar to Vic. For Pet or Commodore 64, substitute the keyboard subroutine at 100O. For other microcomputers, simply write your own subroutine that returns V=l for north, V=-1 for south, J=l for east, J=-1 for west, and R=1 for up or down. The TI$ in lines 240 and 1005 refers to the built-in real-time clock. This is not a necessary part of the game, but it is interesting to see how long you have been lost! Original source of "Cavern Quest": Jaeger, Bruce, "Cavern Quest," Creative Computing (July 1983): 122-123. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From seajay@u... Tue Apr 23 09:07:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: seajay@u... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 23 Apr 2002 16:07:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 43177 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 16:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2002 16:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 16:04:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2002 16:03:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:03:58 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Astrocade Licensed 'Wizard of Wor' Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "seajayan" X-Originating-IP: 209.32.175.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21317007 X-Yahoo-Profile: seajayan I vaguely remember the press conference when Dan Dawson of Astrocade rolled out "The Incredible Wizard" in 1982 at the Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago. I believe he said the name change was a marketing ploy to avoid the word "Wor" which sounded violent. It didn't really matter... the company was dead a year later. From komb@s... Tue Apr 23 17:53:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 00:53:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 63494 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 00:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 00:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.187) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 00:53:51 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.217]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020424005350.DGTV12390.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3CC601DB.8060800@s...> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:52:43 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020326 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Astrocade Licensed 'Wizard of Wor' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian seajayan wrote: > I vaguely remember the press conference when Dan Dawson of Astrocade > rolled out "The Incredible Wizard" in 1982 at the Consumer > Electronics Show in Chicago. I believe he said the name change was a > marketing ploy to avoid the word "Wor" which sounded violent. It > didn't really matter... the company was dead a year later. > I can beleave it. This type of stuff happens even now. a: Parents are upset that videogames are violent. I don't think they'll buy 'Furry Frag Fest!^TM'. b: I know! We'll call it 'Fluffy Bunny's Holiday!^TM'. Parents will gladly buy that. ;) Lance From lasrtt@g... Tue Apr 23 21:13:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 04:13:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 11398 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 04:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 04:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 04:13:07 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GV211R00.9NC for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:13:03 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.125.24]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GV211602.S9R for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:12:42 -0800 Message-ID: <001301c1eb46$84e7b3e0$4905fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] "Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:14:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1EB03.761C9B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1EB03.761C9B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: Okay this sounds nice, but when I go to the net and try to load or look = at the two files all I get is a blank screen. Help!!!!!!!!!!!! Rick.....=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: [ballyalley] "Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program "Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program In 1983 Bruce Jaeger wrote a program for the Astrocade the was published = in=20 Creative Computing magazine. Though I've had the article and program=20 listing on ballyalley.com for over a year, he made it "official" today by= =20 releasing the program into the public domain. The article and program ca= n=20 be downloaded in pdf format from: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/type-in_programs/type-in_programs= .html Remember that when downloading pdf files from ballyalley.com you must=20 right-click and select save as (this is because the ads interfere with th= e=20 downloading of pdf files). I've used OCR software and some editing/typing to create the article, but= =20 not the program, as a text file, which I'm including here. Thanks Bruce! Adam Cavern Quest By Bruce Jaeger The Bally Arcade (or Astrocade) is probably the most undersung of th= e=20 home computer systems, and undeservedly so. The color graphics and sound= =20 capabilities were, and in many cases still are, years ahead of the=20 competition, both in the cartridge games and with Bally Basic. The most= =20 serious limitations have been the small, calculator-style keyboard and th= e=20 mere 1800 bytes of RAM. Was I crazy then, to attempt to write an adventure game for the Ball= y?=20=20 Perhaps. But I tried, and I think you will enjoy the result. I knew that no magic was strong enough to fit any kind of traditiona= l=20 Adventure game into those 1800 bytes. In addition, a novice at the Bally= =20 keypad could take days to type in "Take the Amulet," so I elected to use= =20 joystick 1 for input. The scenario of the game is straight-forward. Jesse James, the Robi= n=20 Hood or Attila the Hun of Missouri (depending on your point of view), has= =20 hidden a treasure deep in a cave, and you want to go in, find it, and bri= ng=20 it out. That's it. No magic birds, sword-wielding ogres or dissembling= =20 oracles. Not only would that have been quite a task in 1800 bytes, but i= t=20 turns out that a simple, realistic exploration of a three-dimensional cav= e=20 is difficult enough, thank you. The cavern passages do not form a traditional maze, as there is ofte= n=20 more than one path to the treasure, and any path is liable to loop back on=20 itself-sometimes in an inexplicable way. Make a map. The Program The first third of the program generates the passages of the cave,=20 using the random number generator, so unlike most adventure games, the ca= ve=20 is different each time. Also at this time the various artifacts of the=20 James boys are strewn about, and the treasure hidden. It takes about hal= f a=20 minute or so for the computer to do its work. The rest of the program is the playing section. The player enters t= he=20 cave, and is told whether passages lead north, south, east, west, up or=20 down. Pushing the joystick forward is the equivalent of saying Go North,= =20 and the other compass directions correspond. As you will never get both an Up and a Down choice at the same point= , a=20 simple pull of the trigger (or firing button) suffices to indicate climb = or=20 descent. Then it is simply a matter of wandering through the cave, keepi= ng=20 track of where you are, finding the treasure, and making your way out aga= in. To make the cavern as large as possible none of the fine Bally sound= =20 effects or graphics other than color changes have been used. Because of = the=20 restricted memory, it is also important not to type in any spaces between= =20 commands, except as noted in lines 54 and 55. Vic Version I have included a translation of Cavern Quest for the Vic computer (= or=20 any other regular Basic computer, with modifications), as Bally Basic cod= e=20 is often difficult to translate. The cavern can be made much larger if y= ou=20 wish, by increasing the value of variable B in line 15 to as much as your= =20 available memory will allow. Again, I have used no sound effects or fancy graphics, to make=20 translation of the program into other dialects of Basic easier. The POKE= s=20 in lines 15 and 260 change the Vic screen and border colors, and the=20 joystick subroutine at line 1000 is obviously peculiar to Vic. For Pet o= r=20 Commodore 64, substitute the keyboard subroutine at 100O. For other=20 microcomputers, simply write your own subroutine that returns V=3Dl for n= orth,=20 V=3D-1 for south, J=3Dl for east, J=3D-1 for west, and R=3D1 for up or do= wn. The TI$ in lines 240 and 1005 refers to the built-in real-time clock= .=20=20 This is not a necessary part of the game, but it is interesting to see ho= w=20 long you have been lost! Original source of "Cavern Quest": Jaeger, Bruce, "Cavern Quest," Creative Computing (July 1983): 122-123. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:=20 http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1EB03.761C9B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam:
   Okay this sounds nice, but wh= en I go=20 to the net and try to load or look at the two files all I get is a blank=20 screen.
    Help!!!!!!!!!!!!=
Rick..... 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 = Adam=20 Trionfo
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:06= =20 AM
Subject: [ballyalley] "Cavern Ques= t" -=20 Another Astrocade PD program

"Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program

I= n=20 1983 Bruce Jaeger wrote a program for the Astrocade the was published in= =20
Creative Computing magazine.  Though I've had the article and pr= ogram=20
listing on ballyalley.com for over a year, he made it "official" toda= y by=20
releasing the program into the public domain.  The article and=20 program can
be downloaded in pdf format from:

http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/type-in_programs/typ= e-in_programs.html

Remember=20 that when downloading pdf files from ballyalley.com you must
right-cl= ick=20 and select save as (this is because the ads interfere with the
downlo= ading=20 of pdf files).

I've used OCR software and some editing/typing to c= reate=20 the article, but
not the program, as a text file, which I'm including= =20 here.  Thanks Bruce!

Adam


Cavern Quest
By Bruce= =20 Jaeger

     The Bally Arcade (or Astrocade) is= =20 probably the most undersung of the
home computer systems, and undeser= vedly=20 so.  The color graphics and sound
capabilities were, and in many= =20 cases still are, years ahead of the
competition, both in the cartridg= e=20 games and with Bally Basic.  The most
serious limitations have b= een=20 the small, calculator-style keyboard and the
mere 1800 bytes of=20 RAM.
     Was I crazy then, to attempt to write an= =20 adventure game for the Bally? 
Perhaps.  But I tried, and I= =20 think you will enjoy the result.
     I knew that = no=20 magic was strong enough to fit any kind of traditional
Adventure game= into=20 those 1800 bytes.  In addition, a novice at the Bally
keypad cou= ld=20 take days to type in "Take the Amulet," so I elected to use
joystick = 1 for=20 input.
     The scenario of the game is=20 straight-forward.  Jesse James, the Robin
Hood or Attila the Hun= of=20 Missouri (depending on your point of view), has
hidden a treasure dee= p in=20 a cave, and you want to go in, find it, and bring
it out.  That'= s=20 it.  No magic birds, sword-wielding ogres or dissembling=20
oracles.  Not only would that have been quite a task in 1800 byt= es,=20 but it
turns out that a simple, realistic exploration of a=20 three-dimensional cave
is difficult enough, thank=20 you.
     The cavern passages do not form a tradit= ional=20 maze, as there is often
more
than one path to the treasure, and an= y=20 path is liable to loop back on
itself-sometimes in an inexplicable=20 way.  Make a map.

The Program

    = The=20 first third of the program generates the passages of the cave,
using = the=20 random number generator, so unlike most adventure games, the cave
is= =20 different each time.  Also at this time the various artifacts of the= =20
James boys are strewn about, and the treasure hidden.  It takes = about=20 half a
minute or so for the computer to do its=20 work.
     The rest of the program is the playing= =20 section.  The player enters the
cave, and is told whether passag= es=20 lead north, south, east, west, up or
down.  Pushing the joystick= =20 forward is the equivalent of saying Go North,
and the other compass=20 directions correspond.
     As you will never get = both=20 an Up and a Down choice at the same point, a
simple pull of the trigg= er=20 (or firing button) suffices to indicate climb or
descent.  Then = it is=20 simply a matter of wandering through the cave, keeping
track of where= you=20 are, finding the treasure, and making your way out=20 again.
     To make the cavern as large as possibl= e=20 none of the fine Bally sound
effects or graphics other than color cha= nges=20 have been used.  Because of the
restricted memory, it is also=20 important not to type in any spaces between
commands, except as noted= in=20 lines 54 and 55.

Vic Version

     I hav= e=20 included a translation of Cavern Quest for the Vic computer (or
any o= ther=20 regular Basic computer, with modifications), as Bally Basic code
is o= ften=20 difficult to translate.  The cavern can be made much larger if you=20
wish, by increasing the value of variable B in line 15 to as much as = your=20
available memory will allow.
     Again, I hav= e=20 used no sound effects or fancy graphics, to make
translation of the=20 program into other dialects of Basic easier.  The POKEs
in lines= 15=20 and 260 change the Vic screen and border colors, and the
joystick=20 subroutine at line 1000 is obviously peculiar to Vic.  For Pet or=20
Commodore 64, substitute the keyboard subroutine at 100O.  For o= ther=20
microcomputers, simply write your own subroutine that returns V=3Dl f= or=20 north,
V=3D-1 for south, J=3Dl for east, J=3D-1 for west, and R=3D1 f= or up or=20 down.
     The TI$ in lines 240 and 1005 refers to= the=20 built-in real-time clock. 
This is not a necessary part of the g= ame,=20 but it is interesting to see how
long you have been=20 lost!


Original source of "Cavern Quest":

Jaeger, Bruce,= =20 "Cavern Quest," Creative Computing (July 1983):=20 122-123.

_________________________________________________________= ________
MSN=20 Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
http://photos.msn.c= om/support/worldwide.aspx



Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1EB03.761C9B20-- From ballyalley@h... Wed Apr 24 03:17:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 10:17:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 66913 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 10:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 10:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.202) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 10:17:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:17:26 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:17:26 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] "Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:17:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2002 10:17:26.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BBD33B0:01C1EB79] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Okay this sounds nice, but when I go to the net and try to load or look at the two files all I get is a blank screen. Help!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Right. That's the ads messing up the downloading of the pdf files. You HAVE to save it to your hard drive and then open the file from there (right-click and then choose, in Internet Explorer, "Save Target As"). That's the cost of Bally Alley hosted on a free site... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From seajay@u... Wed Apr 24 08:45:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: seajay@u... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 15:45:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 19682 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 15:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 15:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 15:45:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2002 15:45:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:45:27 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: 3 x 5 pixel character set Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1325 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "seajayan" X-Originating-IP: 209.32.175.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21317007 X-Yahoo-Profile: seajayan One of the "fun" things about the UV-1 was its 320 pixel wide screen which, in order for the programmer to use a full 80-character line, required the use of a 3x5 pixel character set in 4x6 pixel blocks! Now, 3 by 5 just happens to be the smallest possible ASCII character set (English, natch) that can be read and also allows only upper- case. When Scot Norris first showed us this thing in George Moses's living room in Detroit back in 1980, it was almost impossible to read. The "I" and the "1" and the "!" looked almost the same and "A" vs "R" was impossible. I spent a month or so working the set over using the rule that every character must differ from every other character by a minimum of two pixels. (When you're only working with 15 pixels, that ain't much!)I was successful though and sent it to Norris. I still have the postcard from Tom DeFanti that says: "Nice job on the character set. We'll use it!" Whether my final design ever got burned is unknown since I haven't seen a UV-1 in 20 years. I did, however, code the 3x5 pixel character set for a 1024 by 768 Sperry display in 1984, just for laughs in the lab. While totally unreadable except with a pocket microscope, it allowed us to do a full memory dump on a single screen! I wonder if it ever made the Guinness Book of World Records? From lasrtt@g... Wed Apr 24 12:37:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 24 Apr 2002 19:37:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 32374 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 17:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2002 17:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 17:31:52 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GV321301.5YT for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:31:51 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.124.10]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GV321203.12D for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:31:50 -0800 Message-ID: <003301c1ebb6$20674aa0$4905fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] "Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:33:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C1EB73.118B6900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C1EB73.118B6900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you my friend, that really helps. Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] "Cavern Quest" - Another Astrocade PD program >> Okay this sounds nice, but when I go to the net and try to load or lo= ok=20 at the two files all I get is a blank screen. Help!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Right. That's the ads messing up the downloading of the pdf files. You= =20 HAVE to save it to your hard drive and then open the file from there=20 (right-click and then choose, in Internet Explorer, "Save Target As"). = =20 That's the cost of Bally Alley hosted on a free site... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C1EB73.118B6900-- From seajay@u... Wed Apr 24 22:44:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: seajay@u... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 05:44:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 90775 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 05:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 05:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 05:44:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 05:44:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 05:44:31 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: An addition to the cart. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 668 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "seajayan" X-Originating-IP: 206.144.243.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21317007 X-Yahoo-Profile: seajayan During our tour of the Nutting complex in 1982, we were all given a marvelous EPROM: Scot Norris's "SoundsTweaker" which ran on the Arcade as a cartridge (cart) and gave full access to the sound chip. It was the sound design program for Bally Arcade games and allowed the design of sound effects, music and every possible "tweak" that the chip could handle. I got one, George Moses got one, Brett Bilbrey got one and I don't remember who else. Mine is lost somewhere between Minneapolis and Athens, Greece. Since you've still got room on the cartridge, the Norris SoundsTweaker would be a brilliant addition. Mine is lost. Has Moses or Bilbrey still got one? From ballyalley@h... Thu Apr 25 02:53:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 09:53:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 25455 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 09:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 09:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 09:53:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:53:55 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:53:55 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] An addition to the cart. Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:53:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 09:53:55.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CCAEBC0:01C1EC3F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Stweek! I have that on cartridge. No one knows how to use it, or start it, so it is/was thought to be an incomplete game. It was not included on the Multicart, because, well, it doesn't seem to do anything. I wonder how it works, do you remember? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From ballyalley@h... Thu Apr 25 03:07:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 10:07:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 52359 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 10:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 10:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.121) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 10:07:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:07:09 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:07:09 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 3 x 5 pixel character set Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:07:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 10:07:09.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6133300:01C1EC40] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Are these 3x5 char sets the same ones that were used in any of the extended BASIC cartridges (or Machine Language Monitor)? This character set that you made, is it was the one that you sold on tape? It would be nice to have this, as the one inside the Bally ROM is quite readable (but BIG). It not very useful when writing lots of text to the screen. If anyone can help me get my hand on this tape, I would be grateful. I was thinking about using the character set that is inside the MLM cartridge to demo some smaller characters, but using one with Tom's Defanti's personal thumbs up would be cool (and doubly so, since CJ is a member of this group!). Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Thu Apr 25 03:21:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 10:21:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 12978 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 10:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 10:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.170) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 10:21:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:21:20 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:21:19 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Astrocade Licensed 'Wizard of Wor' Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:21:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 10:21:20.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[F11BEB60:01C1EC42] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> ...I believe he said the name change was a marketing ploy to avoid the word "Wor" which sounded violent. It didn't really matter... the company was dead a year later. >> Wizard of Wor is violent, there's shooting and backstabbing (that is, killing the other player's character when you ought to be working together). It sounds like a marketing excuse to me. Wizard of Wor was a popular Arcade game- it's name recognition meant a lot. Yet, Astrocade, Inc. went out of their way to make the Astrocade version's title sound like a rip-off of the real game. At least they didn't tone down the game. Picture your "worrior" trading flowers and exchanging hugs with the Burwor, Garwor, and Thorwor. That would be fun, wouldn't it. If that wasn't enough, the Worluk and the Wizard could give the "worriors" big sloppy kisses instead of being so mean. That would have made the game better- I wonder why they only changed the title… Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Apr 25 03:42:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 10:42:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 41028 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 10:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 10:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 10:42:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:42:17 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:42:11 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: "Interview" with Craig Anderson (H.A.R.D. Software) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:42:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 10:42:17.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[DED00D80:01C1EC45] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo "Interview" with Craig Anderson By Adam Trionfo Here is some email that I shared with the Astrocade groups newest member, Craig Anderson ('seajayan'). To make this easier to read, I wrote this as if it were an interview (but it wasn't; it was just his reply to my email). Adam: Did you write titles for the Astrocade under the name H.A.R.D (Hoover Anderson Research and Design)? CJ: Yes, I did. Gee, that was 20-25 years ago! It started as Anderson Research and Design and I added my ex-wife's name (Hoover) when we were married as "HARD Software" was a cool name. ("Don't input it if it isn't HARD" was our slogan.) Adam: You created the Computer Ear. It's an item that is quite hard to find; what can you tell me about it: how long did you take to design it, how many did you make, what kind of feedback did you get from users? And, on a personal note, do you have one that you could part with? CJ: Ah, the Computer Ear. I built and sold approximately 80 of them over a period of two years. It was rather primitive compared to today's speech-recognition technology but then again, the problems of speech recognition are still with us: ambient noise, pronunciation and dialect variants, context analysis, etc. I'm not surprised that these are still the factors that keep speech recognition in the "fun toy" category and limit its widespread usefulness. I moved to Greece in 1986 and lived there for eleven years, returning to the US in 1997. I had to get rid of all my Bally Arcades and lab equipment before I left and wish I had saved an Arcade (but they wouldn't work in Greece.) Actually, Bruce Jaeger [Bruce gave me Craig's email address] never throws anything away and may still have one lying around. [he doesn't- I checked] I think I still may have the Computer Ear schematic lying around and maybe one or two circuit boards but I don't have a complete unit. Mike Peace or Brett Bilbrey or George Moses might have one. I haven't seen any of those guys in 20-some-odd years. I'll look around and send you whatever I can find. The concept of the "Ear" was simple: A transistor pre-amp drove an LED in a homemade optoisolator whose output was a cadmium sulfide cell. That connected to the rheostat pins on a Bally game port and gave an amplitude-modulated waveform that varied for different spoken words. The program then compared that waveform against others in its memory (2000 bytes!) and picked the best match. It was kind of fun. One customer in Florida wrote me that his daughter used one for a science-fair project but I never heard the results. Adam: Michael White tells me that you were working on an unfinished Chess cartridge. Is that true? CJ: I was but it was never completed. I'm glad... Computer chess has come a long way! I would be embarrassed today. Adam: What's the status of your tape software? What would you think about donating it into the public domain as George Moses, Don Gladden, Mike Peace and Brett Bilbrey have done? CJ: The only really cool games that I ever did for the Arcade were Tic-Tac-Tollah and Bally Rally. I may still have the source code for them (or Jaeger might) but I don't have any cassettes. I became a PC guy in 1985 and forgot all about Bally although I do owe them a debt of gratitude for my current career. Once again, I'll look through my files, but a lot was lost or destroyed in my moving to Europe and my many moves there and back. -- April 23, 2002 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Apr 25 07:10:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 14:10:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 34252 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 14:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 14:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 14:10:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:10:31 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:10:30 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: More Astrocade Public Domain releases: Craig Anderson (H.A.R.D) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:10:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 14:10:31.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[F55D3100:01C1EC62] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo More Astrocade Public Domain releases: Craig Anderson (H.A.R.D) Craig Anderson has released his Astrocade software into public domain. This is Craig's email about releasing his software into the public domain. Thanks Craig! Adam -------------------------------------------------------------- From: "C. J. Anderson" To: "Adam Trionfo" Subject: Re: Astrocade related questions Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:32:25 -0500 >> Craig, Thanks for information; I posted it to the Bally Alley discussion group to share with the other members (I also replied to each of your messages). > I asked you about donating your software into the public domain, but you seem to think that since you don't have the tapes anymore that it couldn't be done. That's not true. I have some of your tapes, and other members Of the group probably have some too. They aren't lost. Donating the software into the publuc domain would be motivation for people to share it. "Tic-Tac-Tollah" has a reputation, of sorts, and it would be neat to post it on Bally Alley. Adam Trionfo >> Sure, I'd be glad to release the software into the public domain. That includes any software on any of the A.R.D. tapes, the H.A.R.D. tapes, and all the programs published in CURSOR, Arcadian and the Bally Express (DMA graphics, 3x5 character set, etc.) Have fun! C. J. Anderson -------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From seajay@u... Thu Apr 25 13:53:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: seajay@u... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 20:53:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10030 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 20:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 20:53:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 20:53:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 20:53:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:53:44 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 3 x 5 pixel character set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1103 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "seajayan" X-Originating-IP: 209.32.175.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21317007 X-Yahoo-Profile: seajayan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > Are these 3x5 char sets the same ones that were used in any of the >extended BASIC cartridges (or Machine Language Monitor)? I dunno. As I said, DeFanti said "We'll use it" but since the Z-Grass add-under was never produced and the UV-1 was strictly a game development tool, I don't know if the character set ever appeared in firmware form. But Tom liked it. >This character set that you made, is it was the one that you sold on >tape? It would be nice to have this, as the one inside the Bally ROM >is quite readable (but BIG). It's not very useful when writing lots >of text to the screen. Yes, the one on tape is the final version that DeFanti saw and the world's smallest character set. > If anyone can help me get my hand on this tape, I would be grateful. I was > thinking about using the character set that is inside the MLM cartridge to > demo some smaller characters, but using one with Tom's Defanti's personal > thumbs up would be cool (and doubly so, since CJ is a member of this > group!). > > Adam From seajay@u... Thu Apr 25 13:56:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: seajay@u... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 20:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 10424 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 20:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 20:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 20:36:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 20:36:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:36:11 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: An addition to the cart. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "seajayan" X-Originating-IP: 209.32.175.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21317007 X-Yahoo-Profile: seajayan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > Stweek! I have that on cartridge. No one knows how to use it, or start it, > so it is/was thought to be an incomplete game. It was not included on the > Multicart, because, well, it doesn't seem to do anything. I wonder how it > works, do you remember? > > Adam You need the sound chip documentation. Stweeker was a Nutting in- house tool that Scot Norris built, I believe, but certainly used regularly. He was working on "Wizard" at the time. Stweeker lets you set all the registers that the sound chip uses. By experimenting with various values, Scot created all the zaps, explosions, boops, beeps and background music that the games required. I believe it starts at the same address that a cart does although I could be wrong. It then gives you a graphic interface to the sound chip's registers so you can adjust pitch, duration, white noise and stuff and try them. Once you've got just the sound effect you want, you code those settings into your game. Brett Bilbrey and George Moses (and maybe Mike Peace) knew a lot more about it than I did. From palazzol@c... Thu Apr 25 17:49:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: palazzol@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 26 Apr 2002 00:49:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 70844 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 00:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2002 00:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.comcast.net) (24.153.64.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 00:49:40 -0000 Received: from pagels (pcp01182125pcs.strl1201.mi.comcast.net [68.60.202.189]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.3 (built Apr 8 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GV500ERMGYRF9@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:21:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: An addition to the cart. In-reply-to: To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <3CC8655C.15730.36528978@l...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal References: From: Frank Palazzolo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99293129 X-Yahoo-Profile: knarfian Hello, I'm interested in getting a dump of this. I hacked some of the BIOS code to experiment with the sound registers while adding sound support to MESS. I'd still like to fix up the noise generator someday, and this sounds like that would be a good tool for the job - if I can figure out how to run it. :) Thanks, Frank > You need the sound chip documentation. Stweeker was a Nutting in- > house tool that Scot Norris built, I believe, but certainly used > regularly. He was working on "Wizard" at the time. Stweeker lets you > set all the registers that the sound chip uses. By experimenting with > various values, Scot created all the zaps, explosions, boops, beeps > and background music that the games required. I believe it starts at > the same address that a cart does although I could be wrong. It then > gives you a graphic interface to the sound chip's registers so you can > adjust pitch, duration, white noise and stuff and try them. Once > you've got just the sound effect you want, you code those settings > into your game. Brett Bilbrey and George Moses (and maybe Mike Peace) > knew a lot more about it than I did. From ballyalley@h... Sat Apr 27 05:46:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 27 Apr 2002 12:46:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 30075 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2002 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2002 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2002 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:46:41 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:46:41 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: HARD - Computer Eye? Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:46:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2002 12:46:41.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[943AD110:01C1EDE9] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Craig, Did the "Computer Eye" get released, or was this just a personal project? Description in Spring 1983 SOURCEBOOK: "The H.A.R.D. COMPUTER EYE is a light pen peripheral that mounts on the front slope of the pistol grip hand controller (not included) turning it into an amazing light gun. The COMPUTER EYE returns its location in screen coordinates (X,Y) through &(15) and &(14) respectively. Move a floating cursor instantly to any screen location for designing quick-action games (target practice, Missile Command, etc.) or select menu items just by aiming and pulling the trigger. Draw fancy graphics quickly and easily (write your name in script!) and store them in memory with vector commands. -- The COMPUTER EYE, demo tape, tutorial and instruction manual... $35" If the Computer Eye was released, even in very limited quantities (a handful), I want to list it in the DP Guide (along with any explanation of the device that you could share with us). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Apr 27 18:19:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 01:19:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 92365 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 01:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 01:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.137) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 01:19:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:19:20 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:19:20 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Public Domain Software - A FAQ, of sorts Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:19:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2002 01:19:20.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[B94D89C0:01C1EE52] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I have completed a preliminary list of all the software that has thus far been released into the public domain for the Bally Astrocade computer system from these sources: "Arcadian" Newsletter Bruce Jaeger George Moses Co. H.A.R.D. New Image Spectre Systems Wavemakers The file is called "Astrocade Public Domain Software" (Astrocade_PD.txt) and it is available for download in the Bally Alley discussion group file section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/ Please take a look at the list and give me feedback. The document includes a list of about eighty programs that were released on tape, plus about another hundred (not listed by name) that were published in the Arcadian. I need feedback from readers on this- I know that the lists are incomplete, and I need help filling in the missing information. Eventually this software will all be available on ballyalley.com (that's the idea, anyway). Though there is no possible way that I could do this alone (I don't even have most of the software). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From seajay@u... Sun Apr 28 10:39:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: seajay@u... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 28 Apr 2002 17:39:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 99162 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2002 17:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2002 17:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2002 17:39:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2002 17:39:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:39:21 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HARD - Computer Eye? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1659 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "seajayan" X-Originating-IP: 204.221.95.4 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21317007 X-Yahoo-Profile: seajayan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > Craig, > > Did the "Computer Eye" get released, or was this just a personal project? It was never released although a prototype was built and demonstrated at an MBUG exhibition in Michigan in 1980 or '81. I used an optodetector from Honeywell that was about the size of a transistor and had a built-in lens and amplifier circuitry actually contained in the detector. I wasn't great at machine-language programming in those days so my demo software was written in BallyBasic and was fine on the vertical scan (duh) but too laggy on the horizontal and I asked Brett Bilbrey, who was a child prodigy genius teenaged hacker guru then (and who we all figured to be the Bill Gates or Steve Wozniak of the 20th century even though nobody had yet even heard of those guys) for some help. He was beseiged from all sides by dozens of others asking for help and the project quietly died. In 1982 Sperry/Univac got into the graphics display business and made me their graphics software guru ("You know what a pixel is so you're our graphics guru") and sent me to school. By 1984 I was saying "Gee, if I'd known this stuff back in 1980-81 I could have been Brett Bilbrey!" but it was too late. Astrovision was defunct, Bally was fighting for its life in Atlantic City amid charges of mobster influence and the CORE standard, of which DeFanti was a major proponent, had fallen to the GKS (Graphic Kernal System) as the industry standard and started the world on the path to where we are today. End of history lesson. Number your papers from one to twenty; there will be a test... From curt@a... Tue Apr 30 19:29:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: curt@a... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 1 May 2002 02:29:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 37157 invoked from network); 1 May 2002 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2002 02:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2002 02:29:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2002 02:29:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 02:29:49 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bally Astrocade Kiosk at Phillyclassic 3 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atarimuseum" X-Originating-IP: 66.82.38.82 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108878733 X-Yahoo-Profile: atarimuseum Hi, Just found and joined your group, wish I had known about it sooner. Just added a photo to the Photos section of the Group of the Bally Astrocade Kiosk I built from scratch, I had it on display at the Phillyclassic 3 gaming expo this past weekend. If anyone wants to build there own I'm creating a tutorial on how I built the Astrocade kiosk (as well as others) the tutorial isn't completed yet, but I will try to have it done in a few days. http://www.atarimuseum.com/articles/phillyclassic/kiosks/kiosks.html Curt From jwkrych@n... Wed May 08 16:09:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 May 2002 23:09:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 24976 invoked from network); 8 May 2002 23:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2002 23:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2002 23:09:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2002 23:09:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:09:15 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: CCAG 2002 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1043 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.66.44.230 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 For Immediate Release to all Internet and related groups! The Classic Computer And Gaming(CCAG) Show 2002 is on! The Classic Computer And Gaming Show 2002 will be held on May 25th, 2002 from 8AM till 2 PM. Vendor setup is on the 24th from 5:30PM till 9PM, and from 6:30AM till 8AM on the 25th. Show location is at the St. John Lutheran Church, 11333 Granger Road, Garfield Hts. Ohio, 44125. Here is our own site for more information and current status of vendors and attendees. www.ccagshow.com Table rental is $5 this year, and admission is only $2. The admission fee will also allow you to be eligeble for a drawing at 1PM, the 25th, for an Arcade machine! (You will need a way to take the machine home with you!) The web site, www.ccagshow.com, has site info, table layouts, map info, etc. For you Atari fans, we have Nicholas Harlow of 16/32 Systems showing up! And for the Astrocade fans, we have Adam Trionfo of the Bally Alley site making his appearance! Lots of fun for everyone! We hope to see you there at the CCAG 2002! From komb@s... Wed May 08 17:46:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 May 2002 00:45:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 87120 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 00:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2002 00:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.184) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2002 00:45:59 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.250.186]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020509003254.XMAC29188.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 20:32:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3CD9C369.3040700@s...> Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:31:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020501 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] CCAG 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Man... Wish I could go to something like that! :) Anybody know of anything like this in Canada? From ballyalley@h... Thu May 09 02:26:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 May 2002 09:26:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 8452 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 09:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2002 09:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2002 09:26:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 02:26:47 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 09:26:47 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] CCAG 2002 Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 02:26:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 09:26:47.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[A44AA110:01C1F73B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Wish I could go to something like that! :) Anybody know of anything like this in Canada? >> No, but if you went to THIS CCAG, then you could meet Mike White and I and play with my Viper and use my Blue Ram. Also, Mike Skala is going to be stopping by to say hello. I'm looking forward to it. Mike White is going to be show me how to make BASICarts. That's going to be rather neat. Mike also recently discovered how to make Viper BASIC software run from carts (for all you Viper owners... [grin]). Besides myself and one person that contacted me via email last year, I don't know of any other Viper systems. Do any readers of this group own one? Has anyone else at LEAST seen one? Adam Trionfo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From ballyalley@h... Thu May 09 14:56:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 9 May 2002 21:56:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 84062 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 21:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2002 21:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.211) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2002 21:56:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 14:56:13 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 21:56:13 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: H.A.R.D.'s 3x5 Character Set Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 14:56:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 21:56:13.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[56333BE0:01C1F7A4] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo At least one of the sixty members of this group ought to have H.A.R.D.'s '3x5 Charcater Set.' I know that quite a few of you have at least SOME tapes; take a look through what you have and check if you have this one. Now that it is public domain I am VERY interested in taking a close look at it, I'd like to made a ML demo using it. If you have it, send it to me and I'll see what I can do about archiving it. The smaller fonts can be incoperated into any machine language cartridge; they're just data, but what I don't know is if the routines to display them use the Astrocade's alternate character display method (that would be good), or if it uses some other method. Documentation for this program would be VERY helpful, but isn't mandatory. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Thu May 09 18:50:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 01:50:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 12091 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 01:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 01:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 01:50:54 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.250.186]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020510015053.MATG26637.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 21:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3CDB272F.7010406@s...> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 21:49:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020501 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] CCAG 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > > No, but if you went to THIS CCAG, then you could meet Mike White and I and > play with my Viper and use my Blue Ram. Also, Mike Skala is going to be > stopping by to say hello. I'm looking forward to it. > Unfortunatly, I've already payed for my Anime North tickets that week end. I couldn't afford the trip, and my Wife said "NO!". ;) Look forward to hearing how it went & seeing the pictures though. BTW. There's an update to the Z-Grass section on my test site. (If those in the know could look it over Please.) It's not finished, but possabily close. Also, as you are the only one here (that I know of) with a Viper & Blue ram, I would apreciate your input in expanding those sections. No rush though. Thanks Lance F. Squire From jwkrych@n... Thu May 09 19:27:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 May 2002 02:27:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 22282 invoked from network); 10 May 2002 02:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2002 02:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2002 02:27:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2002 02:27:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 02:27:32 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: CCAG 2002 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1320 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.66.44.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 For Immediate Release to all Internet and related groups! The Classic Computer And Gaming(CCAG) Show 2002 is on! The Classic Computer And Gaming Show 2002 will be held on May 25th, 2002 from 8AM till 2 PM. Vendor setup is on the 24th from 5:30PM till 9PM, and from 6:30AM till 8AM on the 25th. Show location is at the St. John Lutheran Church, 11333 Granger Road, Garfield Hts. Ohio, 44125. Here is our own site for more information and current status of vendors and attendees. www.ccagshow.com Table rental is $5 this year, and admission is only $2. The admission fee will also allow you to be eligeble for a drawing at 1PM, the 25th, for an Arcade machine! (You will need a way to take the machine home with you!) We have it confirmed that the arcade machine will indeed be Klax!!! You can also purchase more tickets to better your chances! The web site, www.ccagshow.com, has site info, table layouts, map info, etc. For you Atari fans, we have Nicholas Harlow of 16/32 Systems showing up! And for the Astrocade fans, we have Adam Trionfo of the Bally Alley site making his appearance! Lots of fun for everyone! Okay! We are having a CCAG release. The older one was pulled. Please check out the site for more info: www.geocities.com/gameagain_2000/ccag.html We hope to see you there at the CCAG 2002! From seajay@u... Mon May 13 19:28:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: seajay@u... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 14 May 2002 02:28:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 13260 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 02:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2002 02:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 02:28:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2002 02:28:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 02:28:06 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: 3x5 Character Set Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 761 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "seajayan" X-Originating-IP: 199.199.168.15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21317007 X-Yahoo-Profile: seajayan Understand that this character set was a product of its time: the Arcade had a 160 pixel wide display and the extended (commercial) version had double that: 320 pixels. Anti-aliasing was just a cheap trick back then and "jaggies" were what computer graphics were all about. I'm now looking at my screen, which I have set at 1280 by 768 pixels. My video card can do better but my eyes can't. If I run the 3 by 5 pixel character set on this screen, I can do a hex dump of 81,920 bytes! That's 82K of data on one screen and would appear as sort of a gray pattern. You'd need a pocket microscope to even say: "Hey! Those are letters and numbers!" Otherwise, they'd just look like dots. And 82K? That's more than 40 times the entire memory of the Arcade. From ballyalley@h... Sat May 18 12:41:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 May 2002 19:41:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 56475 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 19:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2002 19:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.159) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 19:41:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:41:17 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:41:17 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Do you have spare common Astrocade carts? Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:41:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2002 19:41:17.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA3EAB60:01C1FEA3] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I finally got myself an EPROM burner so that I can run my Astrocade programs on the real hardware (and not just on the emulator). I no longer have any spare Astrocade carts (at all!) because I've given them all away. Can anyone spare a few carts (maybe you can even sent them for the cost of shipping?). I only need the most common carts available, as these will be sacrificed to make a socketed EPROM cart. Rob Mitchell or Ward Shrake, I need some tips on how to create this EPROM cart. Rob, didn't you create a cart that uses a socket, so that you can just swap the ROMs that you bought on ebay? I'd like some details… Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From lasrtt@g... Sat May 18 20:26:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 19 May 2002 03:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 67633 invoked from network); 19 May 2002 03:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2002 03:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2002 03:26:27 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GWC9K101.1QW for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:26:25 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.123.114]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWC9K100.Z56 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:26:25 -0800 Message-ID: <001901c1fee4$c910bb00$cc0dfea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Do you have spare common Astrocade carts? Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:25:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka Hi Adam: I have a couple I could send. How are you comming along with the Manuals I sent you? Rick..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Do you have spare common Astrocade carts? > I finally got myself an EPROM burner so that I can run my Astrocade programs > on the real hardware (and not just on the emulator). I no longer have any > spare Astrocade carts (at all!) because I've given them all away. Can > anyone spare a few carts (maybe you can even sent them for the cost of > shipping?). I only need the most common carts available, as these will be > sacrificed to make a socketed EPROM cart. > > Rob Mitchell or Ward Shrake, I need some tips on how to create this EPROM > cart. Rob, didn't you create a cart that uses a socket, so that you can > just swap the ROMs that you bought on ebay? I'd like some details. > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From ballyalley@h... Tue May 28 12:35:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 19:35:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 98614 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 19:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 19:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.13) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 19:35:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:35:41 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:35:41 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Development Cart Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:35:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2002 19:35:41.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA210C00:01C2067E] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Well, thanks to the computer show this past weekend, I was able to meet Mike White. He sold me a couple of VERY useful boards; yesterday I made a cart with a socket that accepts an 8K EPROM. It works fine. Yea, now I have a way to test software that I write. I'm going to be making a demo cart over the next few weeks. It's not going to be a game; it will be several small programs I wrote or have retyped to run from the cartridge. That's the idea, anyway. I'm not planning on selling these, but I'm not into working in the dark. If no one is interested in even seeing stuff like this on the Astrocade, then I will lost interest fast. So, if your into this idea, speak up! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Tue May 28 12:39:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 19:39:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 1058 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 19:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 19:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 19:39:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:39:01 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:39:01 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Thanks for the free carts Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:39:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2002 19:39:01.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[515148D0:01C2067F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo After I asked for some Astrocade carts a few weeks ago, I was contacted by Rick Trnka. I want to publically thank him for sending me seven common Astrocade carts, just for the cost of shipping. Thanks! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Tue May 28 12:43:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 19:43:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 74222 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 19:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 19:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 19:43:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:43:44 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:43:44 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Euro Demos? Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:43:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2002 19:43:44.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9BEA7B0:01C2067F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Is anyone here familiar with the European computer 'demo scene?" Those are the programs that are programmed just for the fun of it. They have no function other than to show some neat programming tricks. They are usually very visual and have some great music to go along with them. This weekend Jim Krych and I were looking at some on the Atari Falcon, and hw wondered why this isn't done more in the states on other computers (he mentioned the TI/99). Well, I had no answer for him. Why ISN'T there any demo scene here in the states? It would be neat to see some far-out programs on the Astrocade. Hey, coders out there, I'd love to be surprised with something as simple as a simple Astrocade scrolling "greeting" demo! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From lasrtt@g... Tue May 28 13:15:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 20:15:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 62914 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 20:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 20:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 20:15:18 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GWU89H02.A64 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:15:17 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.116.5]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWU89G02.Z53 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:15:16 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c20684$2fee6ec0$c61bfea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Development Cart Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:13:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka Hi Adam: I for one would be very interested, since Bally or other vendors are not doing anything for the Bally Astrocade I will be very happy to see any new items. Rick..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Astrocade Development Cart > Well, thanks to the computer show this past weekend, I was able to meet Mike > White. He sold me a couple of VERY useful boards; yesterday I made a cart > with a socket that accepts an 8K EPROM. It works fine. Yea, now I have a > way to test software that I write. > > I'm going to be making a demo cart over the next few weeks. It's not going > to be a game; it will be several small programs I wrote or have retyped to > run from the cartridge. That's the idea, anyway. I'm not planning on > selling these, but I'm not into working in the dark. If no one is > interested in even seeing stuff like this on the Astrocade, then I will lost > interest fast. > > So, if your into this idea, speak up! > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From komb@s... Tue May 28 15:26:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 28 May 2002 22:26:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 7146 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 22:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2002 22:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 22:26:47 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.249.153]) by tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020528222647.ZRXG2581.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF403CD.7000302@s...> Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:25:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020516 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Euro Demos? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Is anyone here familiar with the European computer 'demo scene?" Those are > the programs that are programmed just for the fun of it. They have no > function other than to show some neat programming tricks. They are usually > very visual and have some great music to go along with them. > I used to collect those for my ST. > This weekend Jim Krych and I were looking at some on the Atari Falcon, and > hw wondered why this isn't done more in the states on other computers (he > mentioned the TI/99). My brother did a fair bit of programming on the TI. To save money on memory, the system was rather crippled. You coulden't tell it was powered by a 16bit proccessor. Now, the graphics chip is the same used for MSX. I haven't seen anything from europe on that system, but if anything could be done it would look simular. > Well, I had no answer for him. Why ISN'T there any > demo scene here in the states? It would be neat to see some far-out > programs on the Astrocade. > > Hey, coders out there, I'd love to be surprised with something as simple as > a simple Astrocade scrolling "greeting" demo! > Even though I'm technicly booked solid for the next month or 2, I would be extreamily happy to assist in any such venture. Lance F. Squire P.S. Glad to hear you had a blast at the show. I blew my budget at Anime North. :) Missed the music video contest though. :( From ballyalley@h... Wed May 29 06:13:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 13:13:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 72292 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 13:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 13:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.157) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 13:12:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 May 2002 06:12:59 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:12:58 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Euro Demos? Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:12:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2002 13:12:59.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E0A7150:01C20712] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I used to collect those [euro demos] for my ST. >> Yes, these were also very popular on the Amiga. They evolved from intros on cracked software, they still carry that stigma about them. >> Even though I'm technicly booked solid for the next month or 2, I would be extreamily happy to assist in any such venture. >> That sounds excellent. Rather than exhange email, I'll put everything out here on the board, and we can work this way. If you know how to use DMA graphics WITHOUT AstroBASIC, let me know. I know that it's a matter of calling certain OS routines, but I'm not sure how this works yet. The DMA graphic demos that were written in BASIC (i.e. "Critter") use subroutines that are on the BASIC cartridge, so the example code is close to what we need, but isn't quite there. The disassembled ROM has the code for the games, so I suppose the first priority is to take a good close look at these and see what they are doing. >> Glad to hear you had a blast at the show. I blew my budget at Anime North. :) Missed the music video contest though. :( >> Yes, the show was fun. I was frugal with my money (I went there, mostly, to learn and play some videogames); I spent seven dollars on the NES version of "Superman" (considered by some to be the worst NES game ever written- I just has to have it!). I also spent fifty bucks on some Astrocade boards and misc. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From lasrtt@g... Wed May 29 10:22:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 17:22:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15035 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GWVUY501.DER for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:22:53 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.125.252]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GWVUY403.52I for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:22:52 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c20735$2d9fbe60$e111fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Euro Demos? Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:20:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C206F2.1EC3DCC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C206F2.1EC3DCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: Package arrived in great shape, thank you very much, also thank you for= the copy of Cursor, issue 3 or issue 3S, I really appreicate it and hope t= he stuff I sent was of some use. Have some fun today. Rick.....=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Euro Demos? >> I used to collect those [euro demos] for my ST. >> Yes, these were also very popular on the Amiga. They evolved from intros= on=20 cracked software, they still carry that stigma about them. >> Even though I'm technicly booked solid for the next month or 2, I would b= e=20 extreamily happy to assist in any such venture. >> That sounds excellent. Rather than exhange email, I'll put everything ou= t=20 here on the board, and we can work this way. If you know how to use DMA= =20 graphics WITHOUT AstroBASIC, let me know. I know that it's a matter of=20 calling certain OS routines, but I'm not sure how this works yet. The DM= A=20 graphic demos that were written in BASIC (i.e. "Critter") use subroutines= =20 that are on the BASIC cartridge, so the example code is close to what we= =20 need, but isn't quite there. The disassembled ROM has the code for the=20 games, so I suppose the first priority is to take a good close look at th= ese=20 and see what they are doing. >> Glad to hear you had a blast at the show. I blew my budget at Anime North= .=20 :) Missed the music video contest though. :( >> Yes, the show was fun. I was frugal with my money (I went there, mostly,= to=20 learn and play some videogames); I spent seven dollars on the NES version= of=20 "Superman" (considered by some to be the worst NES game ever written- I j= ust=20 has to have it!). I also spent fifty bucks on some Astrocade boards and= =20 misc. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:=20 http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C206F2.1EC3DCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam:
    Package arrived in grea= t shape,=20 thank you very much, also thank you for the copy of Cursor, issue 3 or issu= e 3S,=20 I really appreicate it and hope the stuff I sent was of some use.
    Have some fun=20 today.
Rick..... 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 = Adam=20 Trionfo
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:12= =20 AM
Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocad= e Euro=20 Demos?

>>
I used to collect those [euro demos] for m= y=20 ST.
>>

Yes, these were also very popular on the Amiga.&nb= sp;=20 They evolved from intros on
cracked software, they still carry that s= tigma=20 about them.

>>
Even though I'm technicly booked solid for= the=20 next month or 2, I would be
extreamily happy to assist in any such=20 venture.
>>

That sounds excellent.  Rather than exha= nge=20 email, I'll put everything out
here on the board, and we can work thi= s=20 way.  If you know how to use DMA
graphics WITHOUT AstroBASIC, le= t me=20 know.  I know that it's a matter of
calling certain OS routines,= but=20 I'm not sure how this works yet.  The DMA
graphic demos that wer= e=20 written in BASIC (i.e. "Critter") use subroutines
that are on the BAS= IC=20 cartridge, so the example code is close to what we
need, but isn't qu= ite=20 there.  The disassembled ROM has the code for the
games, so I su= ppose=20 the first priority is to take a good close look at these
and see what= they=20 are doing.

>>
Glad to hear you had a blast at the show. I= blew=20 my budget at Anime North.
:) Missed the music video contest though.=20 :(
>>

Yes, the show was fun.  I was frugal with my m= oney=20 (I went there, mostly, to
learn and play some videogames); I spent se= ven=20 dollars on the NES version of
"Superman" (considered by some to be th= e=20 worst NES game ever written- I just
has to have it!).  I also sp= ent=20 fifty bucks on some Astrocade boards and=20
misc.

Adam





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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C206F2.1EC3DCC0-- From curt@a... Wed May 29 10:28:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: curt@a... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 17:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 45436 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 17:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 17:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail?relay?1) (216.74.138.180) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 17:28:16 -0000 Received: from cvendel ([216.164.28.123]) by mail_relay_1 (Merak 4.10.050) with SMTP id JJC37109 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:20:57 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c20736$05d07090$0a00a8c0@c...> To: References: <001501c20735$2d9fbe60$e111fea9@t...> Subject: Bally Newsletters Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:26:52 -0400 Organization: Atari History Museum (www.atarimuseum.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C20714.7E695D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Curt Vendel" Reply-To: "Curt Vendel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108878733 X-Yahoo-Profile: atarimuseum ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C20714.7E695D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a place holding scans of Bally Newsletters??? I have about 30-40= of them and I'd like to see if there are any that I may have that are not = posted someplace so that I could add to them. I also have the Hardware Ma= nual which seems to have some good info on the Bally Hardware, Memory Map a= nd so forth, again I'd like to contribute if this stuff isn't already up so= meplace. Curt ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C20714.7E695D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there a place holding scans of Bally=20 Newsletters???   I have about 30-40 of them and I'd like to see i= f=20 there are any that I may have that are not posted someplace so that I could= add=20 to them.   I also have the Hardware Manual which seems to have so= me=20 good info on the Bally Hardware, Memory Map and so forth, again I'd like to= =20 contribute if this stuff isn't already up someplace.
 
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C20714.7E695D90-- From ballyalley@h... Wed May 29 11:55:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 29 May 2002 18:55:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 42541 invoked from network); 29 May 2002 18:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2002 18:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2002 18:55:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:55:56 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:55:56 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Newsletters Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:55:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2002 18:55:56.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[76F0E550:01C20742] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Curt, Neat seeing you here. >> Is there a place holding scans of Bally Newsletters??? >> Yes, ballyalley.com has most of them. I even have all of the newsletter already scanned, cleaned up and posted, but there are no links to the files yet. I'll see what I can do about getting that done late tonight or tomorrow. The collection of the Arcadian is COMPLETE and is the collection of CURSOR- other newsletters are NOT complete (we are looking for missing issues of Astrobugs, and we only have one issue of the Z-GRASS newsletter). >> I also have the Hardware Manual which seems to have some good info on the Bally Hardware, Memory Map and so forth >> I think you are talking about the 'Nutting Manual.' That is scanned in and complete. The source for the Bally ROM has also been posted. A project that this group completed last year was retyping the manual and getting a 'nice' version of it finished. You can find it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/ The file is called "nutting_manual_project_2-1.pdf" It's a searchable PDF, complete with diagrams. Download it (it's 512K)- you'll like it. >> I'd like to contribute if this stuff isn't already up someplace. >> If you still think that you might have anything that isn't already posted, then let us know; I'd love to add it. Adam Curt _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Thu May 30 09:04:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 30 May 2002 16:04:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 78723 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 16:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2002 16:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.228) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 16:04:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:04:24 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 16:04:24 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Arcadian volumes 2,3 and 4 uploaded Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:04:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2002 16:04:24.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[AADD1C60:01C207F3] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo The upload of ALL issues of the Arcadian is now complete with these three volumes: Volume Page Num. Date of Issue Count ------ --------------------------- ----- 2 Nov 29, 1979 - Sep 17, 1980 106 3 Nov 6, 1980 - Oct 5, 1981 130 4 Nov 10, 1981 - Oct 7, 1982 124 These volumes can be downloaded from: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/arcadian/arcadian.html Here is a breakdown of the new issues: "Arcadian" Vol. 1 - Complete (11 issues) Issue Date Page Page Num. of Issue Numbers Count ----- ------------ ------- ----- 1 Nov 6, 1978 1-8 8 2 Dec 4, 1978 9-16 8 3 Jan 13, 1979 17-22 6 4 Feb 19, 1979 23-30 8 5 Mar 23, 1979 31-38 8 6 May 4, 1979 39-46 8 7 Jun 15, 1979 47-54 8 8 Jul 20, 1979 55-68 14 9 Aug 18, 1979 69-76 8 10 Sep 31, 1979 77-84 8 11 Oct 31, 1979 85-92 8 "Arcadian" Vol. 2 - Complete (10 issues) Issue Date Page Page Num. of Issue Numbers Count ----- ------------ ------- ----- 1 Nov 29, 1979 1-8 8 2 Dec 22, 1979 9-18 10 3 Jan 15, 1980 19-26 8 4 Feb 25, 1980 27-36 10 5 Mar 24, 1980 37-46 10 6 Apr 25, 1980 47-56 10 7 May 19, 1980 57-66 10 8 Jun 23, 1980 67-76 10 9 Jul 28, 1980 77-86 10 10 Sep 17, 1980 87-106 20 "Arcadian" Vol. 3 - Complete (12 issues) Issue Date Page Page Num. of Issue Numbers Count ----- ------------ ------- ----- 1 Nov 6, 1980 1-10 10 2 Dec 5, 1980 11-30 20 3 Jan 9, 1981 31-40 10 4 Feb 7, 1981 41-50 10 5 Mar 7, 1981 51-60 10 6 Apr 15, 1981 61-70 10 7 May 8, 1981 71-80 10 8 Jun 8, 1981 81-90 10 9 Jul 9, 1981 91-100 10 10 Aug 12, 1981 101-110 10 11 Sep 11, 1981 111-120 10 12 Oct 5, 1981 121-130 10 Read the Arcadian newsletters, you'll see that information on the Astrocade is no longer scarce; Bally Alley has Astrocade information spilling over the sides-- all of it just waiting to be read... and used to create MORE games. Go for it! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From rich_gallo@h... Wed Jun 05 08:26:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rich_gallo@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 15:26:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 53036 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 15:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 15:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 15:26:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2002 15:26:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:26:12 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Astrocade Multicart Project? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 81 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rich_gallo_66" X-Originating-IP: 206.210.27.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77195557 X-Yahoo-Profile: rich_gallo_66 Was this project discontinued? The timeline page was 404, last time I checked. From ward.shrake@w... Wed Jun 05 11:27:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 5 Jun 2002 18:27:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 57565 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2002 18:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2002 18:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2002 18:27:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2002 18:27:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:27:37 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Astrocade Multicart Project? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.220 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "rich_gallo_66" wrote: > Was this project discontinued? > The timeline page was 404, last > time I checked. It is still going, but it is being run very differently now. The FAQ and the Timeline text are no longer online. Instead, I have begun a web page that is all about technical subjects; all hardcore game nerdism. The skeleton of the site is there, and I'll fill more in, slowly, as I find the time and the inclination to do so. I may pick up a small, cheap digital camera soon. That'll help me a bit. http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ The multicart project(s) changed in various ways, some time ago. I made announcements here on this message board, at the time. The gist of it is that orders fell WAY off, after a few months of constant activity. I had not sold anything in months, until very recently. (At which point I had two sales.) Before that, it literally was a continuous, daily effort for me to have to work on the project, just to keep up with orders. This is not because of a huge amount of orders; in fact, to date I only made 29 completed Bally Astrocade multicarts, and made 23 completed Arcadia multicarts. All the available Bally carts sold, but there are still 3 Arcadia multicarts sitting here, ready to be sold. That's fewer than 50 sales total, between two game machines. Sorry, but that's just not worth my time and effort, on an "every day" basis. I think that's fairly self-evident, given the circumstances? Bottomline, as the FAQ once said, these things take me a full day's effort to make, because they are 100% hand made. Creating one is a ten or twelve hour effort per cart, depending on "Murphy's Law" type stuff, raw parts availability and so on. That is a lot of time to give up, to make anything. If no sales are possible, why spend it? This is not entirely bad news; it just means I had to change things, if I wanted to run my life well, when orders dried up. At one point, months ago, I had firm orders well in advance, and I was working hard to fill those orders. The initial rush is over, and new orders have not come in for some months now. It probably seems like the project is dead. "Sort of, but not completely," would be (is) my response. For what it is worth, I still have all my e-mail records of who bought what, when, and so on. Support for the carts is ongoing. I can justify the time it takes to do that, because there isn't really much to do. The carts (thanks to Mike White) already include just about every game known to man. The last cart that was not updated to the latest spec (Jamie Fenton's) was just updated and sent back, days ago. Now everyone has all the games. (Except for "Stweek" but that isn't much of a loss in terms of game play, since it isn't a game.) What I'm doing right now is working to get a small batch of carts ready in time for the next CGE 2002 expo, hoping to sell some then. I have four half-finished Bally carts here, and may make another batch after they are done. No more than 20 new Bally multicarts will be made, for sales on or around that time. It will probably be more like 10 total. I have not decided on a number; I'm going to just play it by ear, etc., and make what I can make. I may make some new Arcadia 2001 multicarts as well, for expo sales. Nothing is set in stone at this point. (I had a working prototype VIC-20 multicart in February, but have not spent any time on making it into a production cart yet. I am still conflicted on whether or not I should spend the time?) What happens at the expo will largely decide the future fate of the various multicart projects. If I do sell enough then to make it worth my time, I'll consider continuing after the show, on a limited basis. But if I do not sell the ones I've made in advance, why continue? Everything changes. Everything ends. Only the timing is in question. -- Ward Shrake -- From douglas_t_lee@p... Fri Jun 07 16:10:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 7 Jun 2002 23:10:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 7396 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 23:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2002 23:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 23:10:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2002 23:10:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:10:40 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Astrocade Multicart Project? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 914 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Rich, You have no doubt read Ward's response. I am likely the latest Multicart recipient (it arrived today). It is a worthwhile investment for any true lover of the Bally/Astrocade. While I have most of the cartridges that were ever made for the Bally, having Ward's multicart is an amazing addition to my library. Opening Ward's package today evoked memories of the day my Bally Professional Arcade arrived eons ago. The games are still quite playable, and some of them are true classics (although I will admit that for some reason am not as good at them as I remember being). Ward built a quality product and will be likely making more some day. His price is not high--especially for the quality and effort that he devotes, although it isn't something that everyone has available to spend. If and when he makes them available, I urge you to seriously consider owning one. Regards, Doug From ward.shrake@w... Fri Jun 07 17:36:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 8 Jun 2002 00:36:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 73068 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2002 00:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2002 00:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2002 00:36:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2002 00:36:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 00:36:44 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Astrocade Multicart Project? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2821 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.23 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Thanks a bunch for those kind words! I appreciate them, quite a bit! One thing I do wish to make more clear, is that I could sell these things a LOT easier if I were to just say "there are XX number of games on them, and I'm charging $YY, so that's ZZ dollars per game." I do not ever want to do that, or anything close to it. This is not the fault of poor salesmanship or a lack of imagination; I just do not think it is morally correct for me to try to sell these things in that manner. I do respect the authors' skill and (former) dedication to this now-ancient home computer / game machine. I think it would be cheap or chintzy of me, to hawk someone else's efforts in that way. I'm sticking with "these are cool games, done by cool people" as my sales pitch, and I am reminding people regularly that Mike White can and will make anyone a reproduction of just about any cart out there, at a very reasonable price. ($10 per cart, give or take; see his cart lists that are up on Adam Trionfo's "Bally Alley" web site.) My way of doing things may seem odd, but it is not random. The more "real fans" that get these carts, the better. And if there are not all that many "real fans" out there, that's OK too. I wanted one for myself, and thought it would be cool to spread a few around. It worked out well so far, in that regard. (I still get a kick out of the memory of those mpeg's with the kids all sitting around a TV, and playing "Muncher" like it just came out last week. Heehee!) I'll be making at least a few more, over the next however many weeks. But eventually, every homebrew project has a stopping point. Even Mike White's efforts won't last forever; he plans to get rid of all of his current stock of raw parts, and once they're gone, he is done. Ward Shrake --- In ballyalley@y..., "dtlee" wrote: > Rich, > > You have no doubt read Ward's response. I am likely the latest > Multicart recipient (it arrived today). It is a worthwhile > investment for any true lover of the Bally/Astrocade. While I have > most of the cartridges that were ever made for the Bally, having > Ward's multicart is an amazing addition to my library. > > Opening Ward's package today evoked memories of the day my Bally > Professional Arcade arrived eons ago. The games are still quite > playable, and some of them are true classics (although I will admit > that for some reason am not as good at them as I remember being). > > Ward built a quality product and will be likely making more some > day. His price is not high--especially for the quality and effort > that he devotes, although it isn't something that everyone has > available to spend. If and when he makes them available, I urge you > to seriously consider owning one. > > Regards, > > Doug From rich_gallo@h... Mon Jun 10 08:40:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rich_gallo@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 15:40:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 86940 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 15:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 15:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 15:40:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 15:40:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:40:34 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Astrocade Multicart Project? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1065 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rich_gallo_66" X-Originating-IP: 206.210.27.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77195557 X-Yahoo-Profile: rich_gallo_66 Hi Doug, Yes, I did read Wards response. I received my Astrocade Multicart back in January. It's availability was the reason to me to finally add the Astrocade system to my collection! I was just curious because I used to follow the progress of the project, and after not checking for a while, I no longer found the timeline page. As an Astrocade "newbie", am I correct in that I cannot play games from the multicart that require BRB (Blue Ram Basic)? I assume these games require extra physical memory or something that needs to be installed in the system? If this is the case, can this item be easily obtained? Thanks! --- In ballyalley@y..., "dtlee" wrote: > Rich, > > You have no doubt read Ward's response. I am likely the latest > Multicart recipient (it arrived today). It is a worthwhile > investment for any true lover of the Bally/Astrocade. While I have > most of the cartridges that were ever made for the Bally, having > Ward's multicart is an amazing addition to my library. > > > Regards, > > Doug From ballyalley@h... Mon Jun 10 10:15:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 17:15:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 86455 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 17:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 17:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.167) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 17:15:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:15:05 -0700 Received: from 24.164.190.248 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:15:05 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Astrocade Multicart Project? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:15:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2002 17:15:05.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D2530E0:01C210A2] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.190.248] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> As an Astrocade "newbie", am I correct in that I cannot play games from the multicart that require BRB (Blue Ram Basic)? >> That is correct. You can play those games with a Blue Ram, Viper or 64K RAM board- they won't work without extra RAM. I posted some ideas that Mike White has about making a modern (inexpensive) RAM expansion so that these games can be played, but no one has taken the bait. >>If this is the case, can this item [a memory expansion unit] be easily >>obtained? No. Unless someone does build a modern-day (compatible) equivalent of the Blue Ram, you are not likely play these games. All of the expansion devices made for the Astrocade were made by hand, none were mass produced. We are talked about hundreds of RAM expansion devices ever available- not thousands. The multicart includes some of the programs that use the extra memory, but they will remain out of reach to most multicart owners unless a RAM expansion device is created. Sad, but true. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From douglas_t_lee@p... Mon Jun 10 15:34:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 10 Jun 2002 22:34:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 58925 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 22:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2002 22:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 22:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2002 22:33:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:33:58 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Astrocade Multicart Project? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1333 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Rich, Adam's response is, as usual, correct. The Astrocade had the ability (through a hidden connector at the back of the unit) to connect add-ons/memory expansion units. The Z-Grass Add-under was the one most of us were waiting and hoping for. It was frequently rumored but never mass produced. Other add-ons were created but were quite rare; the most popular one being the Blue Ram. I think the last time I saw one of those available was at least 15 years ago. I would assume that if any new expansion device comes along, it would also use the same connector. Doug --- In ballyalley@y..., "rich_gallo_66" wrote: > Hi Doug, > > Yes, I did read Wards response. I received my Astrocade Multicart > back in January. It's availability was the reason to me to finally > add the Astrocade system to my collection! I was just curious because > I used to follow the progress of the project, and after not checking > for a while, I no longer found the timeline page. > > As an Astrocade "newbie", am I correct in that I cannot play games > from the multicart that require BRB (Blue Ram Basic)? I assume these > games require extra physical memory or something that needs to be > installed in the system? If this is the case, can this item be easily > obtained? > > Thanks! > > From ballyalley@h... Wed Jun 12 10:28:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 17:28:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 59192 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 17:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 17:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 17:28:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:28:05 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:28:05 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Viper 1 for sale Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:28:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 17:28:05.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[82E0CDE0:01C21236] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo My Viper 1 is for sale (16K RAM expansion unit). I'm not ebaying it (yet, anyway), I'm offering it here. If it doesn't sell, then I'm keeping it (or maybe I'll ebay it later). This unit is one of only two that I know to exist. There are probably more out there (somewhere), but they have not come to light. Cost is $350 (it ain't cheap). If you are interested, contact me through email. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Wed Jun 12 10:43:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 12 Jun 2002 17:43:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 5227 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2002 17:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2002 17:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2002 17:43:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:43:42 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:43:42 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Tapes Collection for sale Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:43:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 17:43:42.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1BE9140:01C21238] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo One of the goals of the Bally Alley discussion group was to archive the Astrocade tape collection, but no one offered me assistance with this project, so it is officially DEAD. Bob Colbert wrote some preliminary software that does work for Astrocade tape archival, but it is not complete (you can download the software from his website). I will not be archiving the tapes myself; it's a HUGE job, one that I have decided to pass on. I am offering my entire collection (about 100 tapes) for $600. These tapes once belonged to Richard House, and some of these programs were not available from ANYWHERE else but The Sourcebook. This collection is a bargain, I promise. No, this isn't a complete Astrocade tape collection, but it's a good sized chunk of it. If no one bites soon, then I'm parting these tapes on ebay, and the collection will be broken-up forever, making the archiving process much harder in the future (if not downright impossible). If you are interested in this tape lot, then you had better contact me soon. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Wed Jun 12 17:38:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 00:38:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28552 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 00:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 00:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 00:38:40 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.120]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020613003838.LVSW18503.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:38:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3D07E92B.6020903@s...> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:36:59 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Tapes Collection for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > One of the goals of the Bally Alley discussion group was to archive the > Astrocade tape collection, but no one offered me assistance with this > project, so it is officially DEAD. > > Bob Colbert wrote some preliminary software that does work for Astrocade > tape archival, but it is not complete (you can download the software from > his website). I will not be archiving the tapes myself; it's a HUGE job, > one that I have decided to pass on. > > I am offering my entire collection (about 100 tapes) for $600. These tapes > once belonged to Richard House, and some of these programs were not > available from ANYWHERE else but The Sourcebook. This collection is a > bargain, I promise. No, this isn't a complete Astrocade tape collection, > but it's a good sized chunk of it. If no one bites soon, then I'm parting > these tapes on ebay, and the collection will be broken-up forever, making > the archiving process much harder in the future (if not downright > impossible). > > If you are interested in this tape lot, then you had better contact me soon. > > Adam > Actually, Apon re-reading this, I can't fault you on the price of the tape collection...($6 ea.) However, I would still need some time to put it together.... :( Actually there might be a way.... Email me. Lance F. Squire From komb@s... Wed Jun 12 17:49:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 00:49:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 13769 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 00:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 00:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 00:49:47 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.120]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020613004945.LZYK18503.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:49:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3D07EBC7.8060703@s...> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:48:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Tapes Collection for sale References: <3D07E92B.6020903@s...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian DOH! That was supposed to be sent private. From lasrtt@g... Wed Jun 12 19:17:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 02:17:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 70468 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 02:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 02:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 02:17:43 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GXMH1H00.WGK for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:17:41 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.112.102]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GXMH1H01.U95 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:17:41 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c21280$26b05780$1b5bfea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Viper 1 for sale Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:15:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka Hi Adam: If you help me work my way through installing and using you have just made a sale. Rick..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Viper 1 for sale > My Viper 1 is for sale (16K RAM expansion unit). I'm not ebaying it (yet, > anyway), I'm offering it here. If it doesn't sell, then I'm keeping it (or > maybe I'll ebay it later). > > This unit is one of only two that I know to exist. There are probably more > out there (somewhere), but they have not come to light. Cost is $350 (it > ain't cheap). > > If you are interested, contact me through email. > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From ballyalley@h... Thu Jun 13 10:10:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 13 Jun 2002 17:10:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 56947 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 17:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2002 17:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2002 17:10:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:10:05 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:10:05 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: On those tapes and Viper Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:10:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2002 17:10:05.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[29B15AB0:01C212FD] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Lance spoke up first, so he has first crack at the Viper 1 and all of the tapes. If he doesn't buy them, I'll post a message to the group. Unless you hear otherwise, I don't need anyone else to email me about the Viper and tapes collection. Thanks. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From fmillera@p... Fri Jun 14 19:41:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 02:41:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 75517 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 02:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 02:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 02:41:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2002 02:41:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 02:41:31 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: selling off your stuff Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 84 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tonymillerus" X-Originating-IP: 63.199.243.206 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus Adam; Does this imply you're giving up the group? Hope not. Cheers, Tony Miller From ballyalley@h... Fri Jun 14 20:56:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 03:56:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 81877 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 03:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 03:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 03:56:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:56:56 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:56:55 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:56:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2002 03:56:56.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[B13BF200:01C21420] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Tony asked: >> Does this imply you're giving up the group? >> No, I'm not giving up on the group; I'm keeping most of my Astrocade "stuff," and so there is no reason to think that I am gone forever. I am moving again, and this brought up thinning my collection AGAIN. I'm not parting with my Viper and tapes for space reasons, as a couple of extra boxes never bothered anyone, I'm parting with them because they are not being used by me, and they are of more use to someone else. There are two primary goals of Bally Alley. They have not been brought up in about a year, so it makes sense to restate them and to see where we are. 1) Information Depository - Useful Astrocade information can be found on the Bally Alley webpage. An early goal was finally reached a few weeks ago when the complete collection of "Arcadian" newsletters were all posted. Another aim is to dump all of that information from the web site to CD-ROM for easy distribution; I have not lost sight of that goal- it will happen. The Bally Alley website isn't meant to be updated daily or weekly, or even monthly. The information that is available there is as current always current to new readers. There is already more information there than anyone on this group realizes; much of the information hasn't been read by many people (I can tell because I know how often the files are downloaded). There are some issues of the Arcadian that have NEVER been downloaded. There's no reason to add new content when the old content hasn't even been delved into yet. 2) Discussion Group - This is the place where new information is introduced. There is also a file area available here that has programming material and other tid-bits that have not yet moved to the web site. You'll see new stuff on the board (or file area) long before it gets anywhere else. That's because it's the web site's testing ground. I would never include some of the "weird" topics I've talked about on the discussion group in a completely public forum; they wouldn't make sense to many readers of the web site (I know that some discussion group readers have a hard enough time following threads sometimes). If you're a reader of the group, then you went to a bit of trouble to be able to read these messages (not a LOT of trouble, but a little extra hassle). That does separate the person who types in "Astrocade" into Yahoo and gets to see the Bally Alley web site from the person who took that extra step to see what is beyond that exterior door and ended up as a member of the discussion group. Does that make readers of this discussion group "elite" Astrocade users? Why, actually, yes it does! [wink] Only one aspect of Bally Alley has changed: the archival of tape software is no longer a goal. It never had any support, other than a few nods of, "Yea, that's a good idea." While it was nice to know I wasn't the only person who wanted to see the tapes "safe," I made it no secret that I could not do it alone. Bob Colbert stepped up and wrote the software that would make this archival possible, but I seem to be the only person that has used it: not one other person has posted one message mentioning the use of the Astrocade version of "Makewav." I wanted to settle the archival issue. It was a goal that, for me, needed to be worked on or finally laid to rest. I choose to lay it to rest. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From komb@s... Sat Jun 15 08:44:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 15:44:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 18992 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 15:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 15:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 15:44:36 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.120]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020615154433.GRIF1504.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3D0B607D.4010307@s...> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:42:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Only one aspect of Bally Alley has changed: the archival of tape software is > no longer a goal. It never had any support, other than a few nods of, "Yea, > that's a good idea." While it was nice to know I wasn't the only person who > wanted to see the tapes "safe," I made it no secret that I could not do it > alone. Bob Colbert stepped up and wrote the software that would make this > archival possible, but I seem to be the only person that has used it: not > one other person has posted one message mentioning the use of the Astrocade > version of "Makewav." > Having NO tapes my self, I coulden't test it much, But the main reason I haven't used it, is that the Binary format wasn't 'set in stone' yet. The reason this is important to me is, I wanted to wright a program that took a standard text file containing Bally Basic commands and convert it into the Binary file. This way I/we/anyone could wright a Bally Basic program on there favorite text editor/word processor, convert it to the binary, convert that to a wav. Then be able to load it onto there Bally unit. I figure this would take less time total than using the keypad to enter programs.(Not that that's a problem for me. ;) ) From ward.shrake@w... Sat Jun 15 12:14:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 19:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 1872 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 19:14:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2002 19:14:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:14:56 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4832 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan This is an admittedly oblique comment on the actual subject; an abstract tangent of sorts. (What else is new.) Some time ago, I had an epiphany, when I was trying to figure out what, exactly, it was that guys like Adam and myself were actually doing. One of our primary self-assigned tasks is/was the archival of software, from its current physical form, into a new digital form. Basically, what it comes down to is we are sort of like ancient scribes or typesetters. We're taking things that were once said orally or were written down by hand, and we changed the storage medium that was being used, without really changing the actual contents of the item in question. If you take a physical game cartridge, and you somehow transfer the raw digital information contained inside that one actual object into an abstract data stream that by its nature can more readily be copied and distributed to others, then you have made it more accessible to the masses, and ensured it against loss, at least to some degree. Same thing if you take a paper-and-ink newsletter like the Arcadian, and you scan it in, and you clean up the digital image during the conversion process, eventually resulting in a downloadable, portable document that can readily be copied, distributed and printed out. So far, this is just an observation, rather than a full-on epiphany. Where I was shocked, suddenly, was when I realized that because the technology we possess as a global society has now progressed to a certain point, that virtually every item or scrap of information we as a society possesses, more or less has to be transferred into the new storage and distribution medium we have agreed upon using. To me, the advent of computers that can do what ours can do today, and the widespread use of the global internet, makes as much of a revolution as the printing press did, hundreds of years ago. In my opinion, not much had changed before the printing press, and not much changed after it, until these last five or ten years. Seriously. I can't imagine what the next step forward will be, other than perhaps to think of it in terms of matter duplication devices seen on "Star Trek". I'm just sure it will come long after I'm dead, whatever it is. I believe in spurts of growth, followed by decades or centuries of getting ready in small ways, for the next big thing. Suddenly, the scope of the problem seems much more immense. Suddenly, the task itself seems much less glamorous. The combination of the two things goes hand in hand, to make guys like Adam and myself sit up and take notice at some point, and to wonder just when we can say "good enough" about what we have done. Personally, looking at what I've already accomplished, I feel pretty good about myself. I've definitely done my part to help transfer bits of our old society over into a new form, without changing any of its content, so that future members of our society can still enjoy what was done by people in the pre-internet computer-using generation. I transferred around 100 game cartridges for the Commodore VIC-20 home computer, by myself. Another person (Paul LeBrasse) did about the same amount of transfers. Together, we two people converted the whole VIC-20 cartridge library into society's most usable format. I assisted with other projects, as well. The Arcadia 2001 game console got a lot of help from me. It simply would not be what it was today, if it were not for my efforts, both in terms of digging up old games to transfer over, and finding out about its hidden history. Adam's accomplishment of getting the "Arcadian" (Bally) newsletters transferred over into a useful, portable, digital format, is plenty. In my opinion, on that alone, he could safely rest on his laurels. And as Adam implies, why would we scribes do any more than we have done already, if the rest of society has not even taken a look at what we have done already? Let society catch up with our efforts, I say. Then we'll take another look at things, and see if we do or do not want to work on converting more stuff over. And if we decide to "quit" and/or do something else, then so be it. The task is literally global in nature, and will take decades to finish, completely, before "everything" is available in digital form. That being the case, it only makes sense to set firm limits on what a person is willing to tackle on his or her own. And to realize that if this is a global effort, which will span decades, that things like daily or weekly updates are really just "busy work". It is only fair that guys like Adam get time to themselves, that is not work related. Bravo to Adam's efforts in the past, I say! And enjoy your rest, if you feel you need one. You've certainly earned it, in my opinion. -- Ward Shrake -- From ballyalley@h... Sat Jun 15 12:17:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 19:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 4235 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 19:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 19:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 19:17:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:17:46 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:17:46 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:17:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2002 19:17:46.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[54C286C0:01C214A1] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Having NO tapes my self, I coulden't test it much, But the main reason I haven't used it, is that the Binary format wasn't 'set in stone' yet. >> Well, you could have said something... that's the reason this discussion group exists. It's not here just for the sharing of ideas; it is here also so that we can share resources. >> The reason this is important to me is, I wanted to wright a program that took a standard text file containing Bally Basic commands and convert it into the Binary file. >> Understood. People have talked about such a program off and on for many years now. It would be a neat idea, but not really useful. You can do some really neat things in AstroBASIC, but without RAM expansion, you are still limited to 1.8K. It's a BIG wall. On the other hand, machine language, without any additional RAM exapanstion allows a cozy 8K of ROM and access to all 4K of RAM. Since the ML programs share video memory for all but 16 bytes of RAM, it means you cut off part of the screen, but you still have that full 8K of ROM and that makes all he difference. >> This way I/we/anyone could wright a Bally Basic program on there favorite text editor/word processor, convert it to the binary, convert that to a wav. Then be able to load it onto there Bally unit. >> Not all the Astrocade characters have an ASCII equivalent (the division sign, for example). You would still have to substitute some other symbol (not a big a deal, but it is worth mentioning). Also, Lance, if you want to work on the BASIC to WAV conversion program, then you should get in on the ground floor to help influence the way Bob writes it. It's possible that you could help shape it so that it works well for what you have in mind. Bob can use all the feedback he can get! >> I figure this would take less time total than using the keypad to enter programs.(Not that that's a problem for me. ;) ) >> Yes, it would save time, but not as much as you think. I have a full-size keyboard for my Astrocade and I never use it; I use the keypad instead, there isn't that much difference in speed of entry-- really. The big problem to overcome for everyone that uses BASIC is proper program storage and retrieval. But why are we talking about BASIC? I'd place a bet that there are no discussion board readers using BASIC (if there is anyone, they have never made a peep). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From cybpunks@h... Sat Jun 15 15:58:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 22:58:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 43213 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 22:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 22:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 22:58:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2002 22:58:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:58:31 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1034 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "cybpunks" X-Originating-IP: 4.47.2.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: cybpunks Adam, If you have $600 worth of tapes, how many of these did you use Bob's tool on yourself? I think saving the tapes is still a worthy goal, and I think most of us would agree. I don't know how many of us have tapes to donate. I do myself but my personal life is in such chaos that it's hard for me to really do anything beyond read messages right now. As far as Bally Alley goes, I did offer free hosting. I can squeeze some time off hours at work to help migrate your site to mine if you want. And along the way I'd provide enough space for anything you could scan. I actually think it's worth putting stuff up even if it seems nobody is downloading it. Just because they don't download it now doesn't mean they won't download it later. Same deal with libraries. Lots of books don't get checked out more than a few times over many years because the information is so obscure, but the person who needs it really appreciates that it is there. It's not a popularity contest. It's more of a public service. From cybpunks@h... Sat Jun 15 16:07:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 15 Jun 2002 23:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 89101 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2002 23:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2002 23:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2002 23:07:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2002 23:07:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:07:22 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A status report Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2981 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "cybpunks" X-Originating-IP: 4.47.2.66 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: cybpunks Did this project get canned or what? The introduction of new hardware is probably the best thing that could be done to bring new attention to the Astrocade. --- In ballyalley@y..., "centurion030" wrote: > Hi All! > > A little status report from the Hardy Boys! (Here's some triva, which > computer team called themselves that?-hint, it's in a book from the > late 70's early 80's!!!) > > I believe that we have all that we need for the Hardware Team. Once > Tony get's in touch with us, to help out Matt, we will settle on the > final design specs. I have another technician, from my workplace, to > help me out, and an old buddy of mine has agreed to do the PCB > layout! So we have the following people for the Hardy Boys: > Tony > Matt > Jim (me) > John > Marty (PCB engineer) > (Matt, John, Marty and I are all from Ohio.) > > Matt will better explain how his progress has been. > > Now, here is what I envision, from my conversations with Matt, and > from the posts here. > > Preliminary Specs for Astrocade II > FPGA replicated Custom Chips > Stand-alone Z80 or in core Z80 > (this means that the entire Astrocade is on one chip) > A simple MMU for paged memory-depends on which style we use. A '612 > clone would allow 4K pages, and up to 1MB paged memory > A 512K x 8 SRAM for "standard memory", 16K for video and the rest > system. Of course when the system boots up, it will be in consumer > mode. Commercial mode would be software selectable. > Same 4 input ports > Expansion connector on the motherboard > Where the old expansion port is, we now have: a 5-pin DIN connector > for Audio, Comp(color) Video, Gnd, and Luma and Chroms(which will be > S-video) RF modulator section is totally eliminated > And, a high-speed serial port. Easier and less involved than a USB. > This will allow connection between the BPA and a PC(to load/save), or > between BPA's. > Finally, a PS/2 keyboard port so you can type away with a real > keyboard. > A Flash ROM to store alot of carts. > We will use one of the hefty table supplies from Jameco, either 14 or > 23 Watts. > > Basically, other than a view from the back, and a new sticker, you > won't know the difference from the outside. Upon bootup, we could > change a few things for the screen. > > I conceive of a slightly changed menu in which we can select "Load > from PC" > > Okay, what Frank could do, is write a quick and dirty "Astrocade II" > server on the PC, so the PC and the BPA will communicate through the > serial cable. > > SOme tweaking of the OS will be needed. From what Mike White has told > me, we can modify one of the extended BASICS to take advantage of the > new features. > > Once we start, and the specs are finalized, I will keep everyone > posted as to how things are going. We are going to need a group of > guys get together for the Z80 code. Adam, can you take the lead and > run that end of the team, the Micro Kids? > :) > > Jim From lasrtt@g... Sat Jun 15 17:29:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 00:29:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 1197 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 00:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 00:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 00:29:17 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GXRW0S01.51N for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:29:16 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.126.157]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GXRW0P00.O4G for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:29:13 -0800 Message-ID: <011001c214cc$73fc6580$3fccfea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: A status report Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:26:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010D_01C21489.603ED200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C21489.603ED200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: Jim: Would the original carts run on this new ASTROCADE II????? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cybpunks=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Re: A status report Did this project get canned or what? The introduction of new hardware is probably the best thing that=20 could be done to bring new attention to the Astrocade. --- In ballyalley@y..., "centurion030" wrote: > Hi All! >=20 > A little status report from the Hardy Boys! (Here's some triva,=20 which=20 > computer team called themselves that?-hint, it's in a book from the=20 > late 70's early 80's!!!) >=20 > I believe that we have all that we need for the Hardware Team. Once=20 > Tony get's in touch with us, to help out Matt, we will settle on=20 the=20 > final design specs. I have another technician, from my workplace,=20 to=20 > help me out, and an old buddy of mine has agreed to do the PCB=20 > layout! So we have the following people for the Hardy Boys: > Tony > Matt > Jim (me) > John > Marty (PCB engineer) > (Matt, John, Marty and I are all from Ohio.) >=20 > Matt will better explain how his progress has been. >=20 > Now, here is what I envision, from my conversations with Matt, and=20 > from the posts here. >=20 > Preliminary Specs for Astrocade II > FPGA replicated Custom Chips > Stand-alone Z80 or in core Z80 > (this means that the entire Astrocade is on one chip) > A simple MMU for paged memory-depends on which style we use. A '612=20 > clone would allow 4K pages, and up to 1MB paged memory > A 512K x 8 SRAM for "standard memory", 16K for video and the rest=20 > system. Of course when the system boots up, it will be in consumer=20 > mode. Commercial mode would be software selectable. > Same 4 input ports > Expansion connector on the motherboard > Where the old expansion port is, we now have: a 5-pin DIN connector=20 > for Audio, Comp(color) Video, Gnd, and Luma and Chroms(which will=20 be=20 > S-video) RF modulator section is totally eliminated > And, a high-speed serial port. Easier and less involved than a USB.=20 > This will allow connection between the BPA and a PC(to load/save),=20 or=20 > between BPA's. > Finally, a PS/2 keyboard port so you can type away with a real=20 > keyboard. > A Flash ROM to store alot of carts. > We will use one of the hefty table supplies from Jameco, either 14=20 or=20 > 23 Watts. >=20 > Basically, other than a view from the back, and a new sticker, you=20 > won't know the difference from the outside. Upon bootup, we could=20 > change a few things for the screen. >=20 > I conceive of a slightly changed menu in which we can select "Load=20 > from PC" >=20 > Okay, what Frank could do, is write a quick and dirty "Astrocade=20 II"=20 > server on the PC, so the PC and the BPA will communicate through=20 the=20 > serial cable.=20 >=20 > SOme tweaking of the OS will be needed. From what Mike White has=20 told=20 > me, we can modify one of the extended BASICS to take advantage of=20 the=20 > new features. >=20 > Once we start, and the specs are finalized, I will keep everyone=20 > posted as to how things are going. We are going to need a group of=20 > guys get together for the Z80 code. Adam, can you take the lead and=20 > run that end of the team, the Micro Kids? > :) >=20 > Jim Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C21489.603ED200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi: Jim:
     Would the origina= l carts=20 run on this new ASTROCADE II?????
 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 cybp= unks=20
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:07= =20 PM
Subject: [ballyalley] Re: A status= =20 report

Did this project get canned or what?

The=20 introduction of new hardware is probably the best thing that
could be= done=20 to bring new attention to the Astrocade.

--- In ballyalley@y......, "centurion030" <jwkrych@n......> wrote:
> Hi All!
= >=20
> A little status report from the Hardy Boys! (Here's some triva,= =20
which
> computer team called themselves that?-hint, it's in a = book=20 from the
> late 70's early 80's!!!)
>
> I believe tha= t we=20 have all that we need for the Hardware Team. Once
> Tony get's in = touch=20 with us, to help out Matt, we will settle on
the
> final desig= n=20 specs. I have another technician, from my workplace,
to
> help= me=20 out, and an old buddy of mine has agreed to do the PCB
> layout! S= o we=20 have the following people for the Hardy Boys:
> Tony
>=20 Matt
> Jim (me)
> John
> Marty (PCB engineer)
> (= Matt,=20 John, Marty and I are all from Ohio.)
>
> Matt will better=20 explain how his progress has been.
>
> Now, here is what I=20 envision, from my conversations with Matt, and
> from the posts=20 here.
>
> Preliminary Specs for Astrocade II
> FPGA=20 replicated Custom Chips
> Stand-alone Z80 or in core Z80
> (t= his=20 means that the entire Astrocade is on one chip)
> A simple MMU for = paged=20 memory-depends on which style we use. A '612
> clone would allow 4= K=20 pages, and up to 1MB paged memory
> A 512K x 8 SRAM for "standard=20 memory", 16K for video and the rest
> system. Of course when the s= ystem=20 boots up, it will be in consumer
> mode. Commercial mode would be= =20 software selectable.
> Same 4 input ports
> Expansion connect= or on=20 the motherboard
> Where the old expansion port is, we now have: a 5= -pin=20 DIN connector
> for Audio, Comp(color) Video, Gnd, and Luma and=20 Chroms(which will
be
> S-video) RF modulator section is totall= y=20 eliminated
> And, a high-speed serial port. Easier and less involve= d=20 than a USB.
> This will allow connection between the BPA and a PC(= to=20 load/save),
or
> between BPA's.
> Finally, a PS/2 keyboa= rd=20 port so you can type away with a real
> keyboard.
> A Flash = ROM=20 to store alot of carts.
> We will use one of the hefty table suppli= es=20 from Jameco, either 14
or
> 23 Watts.
>
> Basical= ly,=20 other than a view from the back, and a new sticker, you
> won't kn= ow=20 the difference from the outside. Upon bootup, we could
> change a = few=20 things for the screen.
>
> I conceive of a slightly changed = menu=20 in which we can select "Load
> from PC"
>
> Okay, wha= t=20 Frank could do, is write a quick and dirty "Astrocade
II"
> se= rver=20 on the PC, so the PC and the BPA will communicate through
the
>= ;=20 serial cable.
>
> SOme tweaking of the OS will be needed. F= rom=20 what Mike White has
told
> me, we can modify one of the extend= ed=20 BASICS to take advantage of
the
> new features.
>
&g= t;=20 Once we start, and the specs are finalized, I will keep everyone
>= =20 posted as to how things are going. We are going to need a group of
&g= t;=20 guys get together for the Z80 code. Adam, can you take the lead and
&= gt;=20 run that end of the team, the Micro Kids?
> :)
>
>=20 Jim


Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C21489.603ED200-- From lasrtt@g... Sat Jun 15 17:41:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 00:41:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 19279 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 00:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 00:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 00:41:15 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GXRWKQ01.C37 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:41:14 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.126.157]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GXRWKO01.A4U for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:41:12 -0800 Message-ID: <013601c214ce$12832bc0$3fccfea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:37:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0131_01C2148B.00ADE040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C2148B.00ADE040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: If you need cassette tapes I can probility send you a ton of them, well= a lot anyway. Please advise. Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cybpunks=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the gr= oup?' Adam,=20 If you have $600 worth of tapes, how many of these did you use Bob's=20 tool on yourself? I think saving the tapes is still a worthy goal, and I think most of=20 us would agree. I don't know how many of us have tapes to donate. I do myself but my personal life is in such chaos that it's hard for=20 me to really do anything beyond read messages right now. As far as Bally Alley goes, I did offer free hosting. I can squeeze=20 some time off hours at work to help migrate your site to mine if you=20 want. And along the way I'd provide enough space for anything you=20 could scan. I actually think it's worth putting stuff up even if it seems nobody=20 is downloading it. Just because they don't download it now doesn't=20 mean they won't download it later. Same deal with libraries. Lots=20 of books don't get checked out more than a few times over many years=20 because the information is so obscure, but the person who needs it=20 really appreciates that it is there. It's not a popularity contest.=20=20 It's more of a public service. Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C2148B.00ADE040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam:
    If you need cassette ta= pes I can=20 probility send you a ton of them, well a lot anyway. Please advise.<= /DIV>
Rick.....
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 cybp= unks=20
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 2:58= =20 PM
Subject: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Al= ley=20 Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?'

Adam,

If you have $600 worth of tapes, how man= y of=20 these did you use Bob's
tool on yourself?

I think saving the t= apes=20 is still a worthy goal, and I think most of
us would agree.

I = don't=20 know how many of us have tapes to donate.

I do myself but my perso= nal=20 life is in such chaos that it's hard for
me to really do anything bey= ond=20 read messages right now.

As far as Bally Alley goes, I did offer f= ree=20 hosting.  I can squeeze
some time off hours at work to help migr= ate=20 your site to mine if you
want.  And along the way I'd provide en= ough=20 space for anything you
could scan.

I actually think it's worth= =20 putting stuff up even if it seems nobody
is downloading it.  Jus= t=20 because they don't download it now doesn't
mean they won't download i= t=20 later.  Same deal with libraries.  Lots
of books don't get= =20 checked out more than a few times over many years
because the informa= tion=20 is so obscure, but the person who needs it
really appreciates that it= is=20 there.  It's not a popularity contest. 
It's more of a publ= ic=20 service.




Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C2148B.00ADE040-- From komb@s... Sat Jun 15 20:28:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 03:28:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 33614 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 03:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 03:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.188) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 03:28:51 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.120]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020616032848.WBLN6218.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:28:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3D0C058D.2050100@s...> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:27:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > This is an admittedly oblique comment on the actual subject; an > abstract tangent of sorts. (What else is new.) Some time ago, I had > an epiphany, when I was trying to figure out what, exactly, it was > that guys like Adam and myself were actually doing. > > > Bravo to Adam's efforts in the past, I say! And enjoy your rest, if > you feel you need one. You've certainly earned it, in my opinion. > > -- Ward Shrake -- > Well said, though I don't think he's done yet. :) From komb@s... Sat Jun 15 20:41:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 03:41:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 8512 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 03:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 03:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.183) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 03:41:37 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.120]) by tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020616034134.KCBA54.tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:41:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3D0C088A.3@s...> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:39:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Having NO tapes my self, I coulden't test it much, But the main reason I > haven't used it, is that the Binary format wasn't 'set in stone' yet. > > > Well, you could have said something... that's the reason this discussion > group exists. It's not here just for the sharing of ideas; it is here also > so that we can share resources. > I beleave I did. When someone asked about archiving such things as I recall. :) > > Yes, it would save time, but not as much as you think. I have a full-size > keyboard for my Astrocade and I never use it; I use the keypad instead, > there isn't that much difference in speed of entry-- really. The big > problem to overcome for everyone that uses BASIC is proper program storage > and retrieval. But why are we talking about BASIC? I'd place a bet that > there are no discussion board readers using BASIC (if there is anyone, they > have never made a peep). > This is true, I supose. Most current owners are probabily more interested in the games than the programability. Still, I feel it was one of the most important aspects of the Bally. ... From komb@s... Sat Jun 15 20:45:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 03:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71051 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 03:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 03:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.188) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 03:45:19 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.120]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020616034516.WESY6218.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:45:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3D0C0969.1010901@s...> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:43:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian cybpunks wrote: > > I actually think it's worth putting stuff up even if it seems nobody > is downloading it. Just because they don't download it now doesn't > mean they won't download it later. Same deal with libraries. Lots > of books don't get checked out more than a few times over many years > because the information is so obscure, but the person who needs it > really appreciates that it is there. It's not a popularity contest. > It's more of a public service. > > That's a good way of looking at it. Certainly the way I was thinking when I first started the FAQ and html FAQ. From komb@s... Sat Jun 15 20:47:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 03:47:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 60712 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 03:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 03:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 03:47:08 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.120]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020616034707.RNJM25296.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:47:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3D0C09D5.1090600@s...> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:45:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' References: <013601c214ce$12832bc0$3fccfea9@t...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Rick & Myrna Trnka wrote: > Hi Adam: > If you need cassette tapes I can probility send you a ton of them, > well a lot anyway. Please advise. > Rick..... > I need tapes! Can you send me some? ;) From lasrtt@g... Sat Jun 15 22:59:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 05:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 12855 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 05:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 05:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 05:59:17 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GXSBAR01.OLK for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:59:15 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.119.99]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GXSBAQ00.D5U for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:59:14 -0800 Message-ID: <01aa01c214fa$8e3f7c60$3fccfea9@t...> To: References: <013601c214ce$12832bc0$3fccfea9@t...> <3D0C09D5.1090600@s...> Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:56:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C214B7.7ED5B2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C214B7.7ED5B2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure just give my someplace to 'snail' mail them. Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lance F. Squire=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up th= e group?' Rick & Myrna Trnka wrote: > Hi Adam: > If you need cassette tapes I can probility send you a ton of them,= =20 > well a lot anyway. Please advise. > Rick..... >=20 I need tapes! Can you send me some? ;) Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C214B7.7ED5B2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sure just give my someplace to 'snail' mai= l=20 them.
Rick.....
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Rick & Myrna Trnka wrote:
> Hi=20 Adam:
>     If you need cassette tapes I can=20 probility send you a ton of them,
> well a lot anyway. Please=20 advise.
> Rick.....
>

I need tapes! Can you send me s= ome?=20 ;)




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------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C214B7.7ED5B2A0-- From ballyalley@h... Sun Jun 16 05:22:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 12:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 16783 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 12:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 12:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 12:22:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:22:01 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:22:00 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:22:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 12:22:01.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A95C950:01C21530] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Bravo to Adam's efforts in the past, I say! And enjoy your rest, if you feel you need one. You've certainly earned it, in my opinion. >> Thank you, Ward! I'll be taking a rest, if you can call it that, now. I need to prepare for my move, and I don't have much time. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jun 16 06:38:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 13:38:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 10708 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 13:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 13:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.207) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 13:38:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:38:01 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:37:59 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally Alley Goals, or 'Is Adam giving up the group?' Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:37:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 13:38:01.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[08AEC380:01C2153B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Adam, >> If you have $600 worth of tapes, how many of these did you use Bob's tool on yourself? >> About four, but the Bob's program doesn't work with all 2000 baud formats. Many of the Astrocade programmers used simple multi-load techniques to make the program have a title screen; Bob's archive program sometimes stumbles on these- so you get the title screen, but not the program (but no output is created for a partial program, so actually you get nothing). One excellent use of Bob's Astrocade utility program that I have found NO flaws with is to use it to save an Astrocade BASIC program I write on the Astrocade to my computer (via a cord to my sound card). After I save the program as a WAV file, I run Bob's program, and the program then loads perfectly (those programs don't load otherwise- not for me anyway). One aspect of the program that Bob said he probably would need to add so that it would work better would be to give the user some manual control over the conversion process. This would probably help quite a bit with all the different formats that were used. >> I think saving the tapes is still a worthy goal, and I think most of us would agree. >> That's never been an issue: I know we all think that "saving the tapes is still a worthy." I've never seen anyone post, "Let's have a Astrocade tape burning party." However, it's a LOT of work. This isn't nearly as "simple" as archiving the Supercharger tapes (and yes, I know that was a LOT of work too). >> I don't know how many of us have tapes to donate. >> Probably not many people have tapes to donate, but that doesn't matter. The tape archive project never needed MORE tapes, it needed more manpower. The manpower was the aspect that never popped up. If we had every single tape in one big pile, that is not an archive. The work to move the tape programs to a usable format takes time, and no one was giving THAT away. >> I do myself but my personal life is in such chaos that it's hard for me to really do anything beyond read messages right now. >> Such is the case with everyone. That's why the tape project died. >> As far as Bally Alley goes, I did offer free hosting. I can squeeze some time off hours at work to help migrate your site to mine if you want. And along the way I'd provide enough space for anything you could scan. >> Yes, I would still like to do that. When I get settled in New Mexico, I'll get back with you about this (this will be a couple of months). The Astrocade documentation archive needs a nice place to call home that people can understand, but it's not a high priority. The documentation does currently have a home, and it's quite usable. All of the archived documentation is currently available from the Bally Alley website, if that were not the case I would step this task up a notch in priority. >> I actually think it's worth putting stuff up even if it seems nobody is downloading it. >> If NOBODY is downloading it, then it is NOT worth the time to put up. It just ISN'T. That line of thinking doesn't make sense. >> Just because they don't download it now doesn't mean they won't download it later. Same deal with libraries. Lots of books don't get checked out more than a few times over many years because the information is so obscure, but the person who needs it really appreciates that it is there. It's not a popularity contest. It's more of a public service. >> Yes, but taxes pay for public services; public services are NOT free. I am NOT a public servant, please don't treat my effort in the Astrocade community as such. If I want to donate my time, that is something altogether different from people just expecting stuff to be made available. Also, contrary to your thinking, public libraries ARE popularity contests. Books that do not get checked out for a few years take up shelf space for books that WILL be checked out. Library books sales are full of "library discards;" those books are not sold because they are in bad shape (though sometimes that's the case), they are sold because they are not popular anymore. In my research OFF the Internet I make full use of the library system. Tech books that are more than a few years old eventually are not at any local public or university library, so I just can't get a hold of books I need that way. Try using WorldCat (a catalog of world-wide library holdings); you will quickly find that books of any sort except those written by canon authors are usually cycled out of the library system. The best way to describe how this "cycle out" system works IS a popularity contest. The Astrocade Internet Archive might not require shelf space, but it does require upkeep, and that takes time. In the public library system this upkeep is paid by taxes. Private library cards are not free, they usually carry a monthly fee of about thirty dollars (and many private libraries, university and law libraries in particular will not even allow books to be checked out to non-members, even for a fee). Let me set this straight: the Bally Alley website is NOT a public service- I am not a public servant; I did not receive any money to create it. I am a fan of the Astrocade and DONATED my time to get the Astrocade documentation online. No one thought it worthy to donate time to the tape archive project, therefore, that project, at least with my leadership, is dead. I'd like to see someone take up the project, but who is going to donate time to them? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jun 16 06:46:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 13:46:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 85601 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 13:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 13:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.226) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 13:46:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:46:19 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:46:19 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade II Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:46:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 13:46:19.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[31BE2080:01C2153C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Did this project [the Astrocade II] get canned or what? >> Actually, this is sort of a covert operation (no kidding). Jim doesn't like to announce stuff until it is nearly done, or even is done. I met Jim and Matt at the Ohio show last month and neither of them have forgotten this project. I talked with Matt about his plans, and he still wants to take a stab at an "Astrocade II." If the hardware is created I would like to see what it can do. However, with no one writing new software for the Asrocade (and everything needed to do this IS available now), who is going to write software for the Astrocade II? Jim, Matt, Tony: have you three made any contact with each other lately? Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Sun Jun 16 06:48:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 13:48:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 59058 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 13:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 13:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 13:48:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:48:58 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:48:58 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade II Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:48:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 13:48:58.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[908806D0:01C2153C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Rick asks >> Would the original carts run on this new ASTROCADE II????? >> That's the idea, yes, but it would be much more than that. The Astrocade breaks, and part of the idea is that this project would REPLACE the original motherboard. All the system "stats" for the Astrocade II have been posted here already: take a look through the past postings to see them. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jun 16 06:50:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 13:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 36878 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 13:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 13:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 13:50:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:50:35 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:50:35 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: More Astrocade tapes? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:50:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 13:50:35.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA4696C0:01C2153C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Rick says: >> If you need cassette tapes I can probility send you a ton of them, well a lot anyway. Please advise. >> Well, Lance, you probably ought to wait to see exactly what you are getting from me before getting even more tapes. When it rains it pours! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Sun Jun 16 11:10:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 18:10:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 18379 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 18:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 18:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 18:10:25 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.5.120]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020616181023.UIHZ1504.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:10:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3D0CD429.8090900@s...> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:08:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] More Astrocade tapes? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Rick says: > > If you need cassette tapes I can probility send you a ton of them, well a > lot anyway. Please advise. > > > Well, Lance, you probably ought to wait to see exactly what you are getting > from me before getting even more tapes. > > When it rains it pours! > > Adam > > Actually, I was thinking the same thing, but I coulden't help my self. ;) I'll wait till I see what I get from you then compair lists with Rick, so as to save them some postage from sending duplicates. Also, so everyone knows. I do intend to archive these tapes in some fashion. More after I've gotten them. Re: Public service Although, I've always looked at my contribution as being a public service, in that I wanted the public to have access to this information. You are quite right in that the Public shoulden't expect it as a 'Public Service' as it's not. It's more a donation of our time, resources and sometimes Money. Re: Programming I woulden't say NOBODY is programming, just nobody has a lot of time to devote to it at this moment. Unfortunatly, these things take time. I do have a project started, and as soon as I get another pressing project out of the way, it will be moving ahead. ... Lance From ballyalley@h... Sun Jun 16 11:53:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 18:53:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 30558 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 18:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 18:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.228) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 18:53:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:53:57 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:53:57 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Programming Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:53:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 18:53:57.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BAE1940:01C21567] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Lance wrote: >> I woulden't say NOBODY is programming, just nobody has a lot of time to devote to it at this moment. Unfortunatly, these things take time. I do have a project started, and as soon as I get another pressing project out of the way, it will be moving ahead. >> It would be a good idea to talk about what you have in mind, even if there is nothing to show yet. Are we talking a BASIC program or ML program? Is this what we talked about in private email? It will give people something to think about and look forward to, plus you can get some feedback (though I suspect that no matter what you are working on, we will ask for something more. Right guy?!?). Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From fmillera@p... Sun Jun 16 13:31:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 20:31:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 43869 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 20:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 20:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 20:31:24 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.241.218]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GXT00KDXFOB1T@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:31:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade II In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020616133041.00aaf368@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1363510==_.ALT" From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_1363510==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:46 AM 6/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> >Did this project [the Astrocade II] get canned or what? > >> > >Actually, this is sort of a covert operation (no kidding). Jim doesn't like >to announce stuff until it is nearly done, or even is done. > >I met Jim and Matt at the Ohio show last month and neither of them have >forgotten this project. I talked with Matt about his plans, and he still >wants to take a stab at an "Astrocade II." > >If the hardware is created I would like to see what it can do. However, >with no one writing new software for the Asrocade (and everything needed to >do this IS available now), who is going to write software for the Astrocade >II? > >Jim, Matt, Tony: have you three made any contact with each other lately? > >Adam > >No, unfortunately. I was getting the feeling that the Astrocade II is >dying a premature death. Cheers, Tony Miller >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support >/worldwide.aspx > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_1363510==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 06:46 AM 6/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>
Did this project [the Astrocade II] get canned or what?
>>

Actually, this is sort of a covert operation (no kidding).  Jim doesn't like
to announce stuff until it is nearly done, or even is done.

I met Jim and Matt at the Ohio show last month and neither of them have
forgotten this project.  I talked with Matt about his plans, and he still
wants to take a stab at an "Astrocade II."

If the hardware is created I would like to see what it can do.  However,
with no one writing new software for the Asrocade (and everything needed to
do this IS available now), who is going to write software for the Astrocade
II?

Jim, Matt, Tony: have you three made any contact with each other lately?

Adam

No, unfortunately.  I was getting the feeling that the Astrocade II is dying a premature death.


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--=====================_1363510==_.ALT-- From ward.shrake@w... Sun Jun 16 17:20:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 17 Jun 2002 00:20:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 5730 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2002 00:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2002 00:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2002 00:20:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2002 00:20:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:20:36 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Is Adam allowed to rest on his laurels? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4129 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Let me just say that I think post #770 by Adam Trionfo is so full of information -- GOOD, solid information -- that it ought to be printed out, taped up near your computer, and re-read at regular intervals. Really. At the very least, you should go back and read it again, once or twice, right now. Don't skim it; take some time, and actually READ it! Things change. Things end. And that's real life. Is the Astrocade "dead"? Actually, yes, it is. As a commercial product, it died over two decades ago. Not once, but twice. At its peak, according to exhaustive research by Mike White, it only sold something like 150,000 units. Of those finished units, probably half died due to -- let's face it -- one or more of its design and manufacturing flaws. It overheats. That kills chips. No really solid repair information exists, in a form that the average non-technical person can use to repair their dead or dying units. It has a built-in "half-life" of sorts. So that 150,000 units shrinks daily, towards a total number of zero units that are still fully functional. I doubt more than 50,000 units work and are in homes, right now? It wouldn't surprise me if it were down to 10,000 now? When Adam and/or Mike asked me for advice on pricing the console, for the upcoming "Digital Press Collectors Guide" book, I questioned if they were talking about a dead unit, or a live one. And I said, in all honesty, that I'd probably include those two categories, if I were the one writing that section of the guide. Because it is not the world's most robust console. Buying "spares" seems to be the norm? Hence the "Astrocade II" project. Which apparently also died a quiet death, or is tending towards that as we speak. (See message #776.) Frankly, I never saw the point of the project, myself, other than a "neat" challenge for the techs who wanted to create it. As soon as you change one chip, it is not really an Astrocade at all... it is just a brand new, 20-plus year old console. That being the case, personally I think it makes more sense to just buy up one of the ultra-cheap C64 units, or the Atari 8-bits, as they already include most if not all of the useful features that users hoped it would have. But that's just my opinion. How someone else decides to spend their own resources is none of my business, so more power to them, if they wanted to do it anyway. The only caveat I tried to throw into the way of the design team, was to remind them that if only 30-some people were willing to PAY MONEY for an Astrocade multicart, that the chances of getting a financial return on investment was very "iffy". It isn't that I like bearing bad news. I just don't like living in a fantasy world. I only have one life, and I don't want to waste it on things that do not matter to me, or to anyone else. I'm learning to qualify a buyer's interest, earnestly, before starting on projects. What bothers me, in the context of this "is it really all over now" type of discussion, is how easily everyone looks the other way at all of the Arcadian newsletters that Adam donated his time to give you. If you really wanted to remember the now-obviously-dead Astrocade and its era, what better way to do it than to download and print out what was said about it, way back when, by those that made it what it once was? Everything you'd want to know about it, is all in there. (You can't claim it isn't, by the way, until you've actually read it!) I just don't understand that. It sounds a lot like those people that claim to be a servant of one God or another, but when you ask them if they've ever cracked the cover of their holy books, and read what God allegedly took the time to write down for them, they have nothing but excuses. If the religeon isn't worth your time and effort to read the holy books made available to you, why call yourself a practicing member of that religeon? If it was important, you'd go read them. A lack of reading signals that you just don't care. How could it be any other way? (Putting his fire-proof suit on, and leaving in a hurry!) -- Ward Shrake -- From rcolbert@c... Mon Jun 17 19:45:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 18 Jun 2002 02:45:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 77636 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2002 02:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2002 02:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2002 02:45:53 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020618024553.RHQG8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:45:53 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Is Adam allowed to rest on his laurels? Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C21648.5A61CB10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C21648.5A61CB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Just got around to reading some messages. I first want to apologize to Adam for being so lazy lately with the ballywav program and all. I really would love to work on it, but now doesn't seem to be the right time. I always think that I'm going to make time, but other things take priority. Right now those "other things" are my kids. I'm not trying to blame my kids, but they sure can tire me out. I'm turning the big 35 tomorrow and I feel every bit of it by the time I get the kids tucked into bed. Not to mention that I program for a living, and writing code at home doesn't hold the same appeal that it used to when I would be at work looking forward to going home to code before I was a programmer. I hope somebody buys Adam's tape collection and is willing to work on an archiving effort. I still plan on working on the ballywav program, just not at the moment. I completely understand the fact that Adam needs a break, it's natural. Adam has done an awesome job supporting the community. Maybe somebody will pick up the torch and run with it. Let's hope! Bob -----Original Message----- From: commie_fan [mailto:ward.shrake@w...] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 7:21 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] Is Adam allowed to rest on his laurels? Let me just say that I think post #770 by Adam Trionfo is so full of information -- GOOD, solid information -- that it ought to be printed out, taped up near your computer, and re-read at regular intervals. Really. At the very least, you should go back and read it again, once or twice, right now. Don't skim it; take some time, and actually READ it! Things change. Things end. And that's real life. Is the Astrocade "dead"? Actually, yes, it is. As a commercial product, it died over two decades ago. Not once, but twice. At its peak, according to exhaustive research by Mike White, it only sold something like 150,000 units. Of those finished units, probably half died due to -- let's face it -- one or more of its design and manufacturing flaws. It overheats. That kills chips. No really solid repair information exists, in a form that the average non-technical person can use to repair their dead or dying units. It has a built-in "half-life" of sorts. So that 150,000 units shrinks daily, towards a total number of zero units that are still fully functional. I doubt more than 50,000 units work and are in homes, right now? It wouldn't surprise me if it were down to 10,000 now? When Adam and/or Mike asked me for advice on pricing the console, for the upcoming "Digital Press Collectors Guide" book, I questioned if they were talking about a dead unit, or a live one. And I said, in all honesty, that I'd probably include those two categories, if I were the one writing that section of the guide. Because it is not the world's most robust console. Buying "spares" seems to be the norm? Hence the "Astrocade II" project. Which apparently also died a quiet death, or is tending towards that as we speak. (See message #776.) Frankly, I never saw the point of the project, myself, other than a "neat" challenge for the techs who wanted to create it. As soon as you change one chip, it is not really an Astrocade at all... it is just a brand new, 20-plus year old console. That being the case, personally I think it makes more sense to just buy up one of the ultra-cheap C64 units, or the Atari 8-bits, as they already include most if not all of the useful features that users hoped it would have. But that's just my opinion. How someone else decides to spend their own resources is none of my business, so more power to them, if they wanted to do it anyway. The only caveat I tried to throw into the way of the design team, was to remind them that if only 30-some people were willing to PAY MONEY for an Astrocade multicart, that the chances of getting a financial return on investment was very "iffy". It isn't that I like bearing bad news. I just don't like living in a fantasy world. I only have one life, and I don't want to waste it on things that do not matter to me, or to anyone else. I'm learning to qualify a buyer's interest, earnestly, before starting on projects. What bothers me, in the context of this "is it really all over now" type of discussion, is how easily everyone looks the other way at all of the Arcadian newsletters that Adam donated his time to give you. If you really wanted to remember the now-obviously-dead Astrocade and its era, what better way to do it than to download and print out what was said about it, way back when, by those that made it what it once was? Everything you'd want to know about it, is all in there. (You can't claim it isn't, by the way, until you've actually read it!) I just don't understand that. It sounds a lot like those people that claim to be a servant of one God or another, but when you ask them if they've ever cracked the cover of their holy books, and read what God allegedly took the time to write down for them, they have nothing but excuses. If the religeon isn't worth your time and effort to read the holy books made available to you, why call yourself a practicing member of that religeon? If it was important, you'd go read them. A lack of reading signals that you just don't care. How could it be any other way? (Putting his fire-proof suit on, and leaving in a hurry!) -- Ward Shrake -- Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C21648.5A61CB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
    Just got around to reading some messages.  I = first=20 want to apologize to Adam for being so lazy lately with the ballywav progra= m and=20 all.  I really would love to work on it, but now doesn't seem to be th= e=20 right time.  I always think that I'm going to make time, but other thi= ngs=20 take priority.  Right now those "other things" are my kids.  I'm = not=20 trying to blame my kids, but they sure can tire me out.  I'm turning t= he=20 big 35 tomorrow and I feel every bit of it by the time I get the kids tucke= d=20 into bed.  Not to mention that I program for a living, and writing cod= e at=20 home doesn't hold the same appeal that it used to when I would be at work=20 looking forward to going home to code before I was a programmer.  I ho= pe=20 somebody buys Adam's tape collection and is willing to work on an archiving= =20 effort.  I still plan on working on the ballywav program, just not at = the=20 moment.  I completely understand the fact that Adam needs a break, it'= s=20 natural.  Adam has done an awesome job supporting the community. = =20 Maybe somebody will pick up the torch and run with it.  Let's=20 hope!
 
        =        =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: commie_fan=20 [mailto:ward.shrake@w...]
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 20= 02=20 7:21 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [ballyalley] Is Adam allowed to rest on his=20 laurels?

Let me just say that I think post #770 b= y=20 Adam Trionfo is so full of
information -- GOOD, solid information -- = that=20 it ought to be printed
out, taped up near your computer, and re-read = at=20 regular intervals.

Really. At the very least, you should go back a= nd=20 read it again, once
or twice, right now. Don't skim it; take some tim= e,=20 and actually READ
it!

Things change. Things end. And that's re= al=20 life.

Is the Astrocade "dead"? Actually, yes, it is.

As a=20 commercial product, it died over two decades ago. Not once, but
twice= . At=20 its peak, according to exhaustive research by Mike White,
it only sol= d=20 something like 150,000 units. Of those finished units,
probably half = died=20 due to -- let's face it -- one or more of its
design and manufacturin= g=20 flaws. It overheats. That kills chips. No
really solid repair informa= tion=20 exists, in a form that the average
non-technical person can use to re= pair=20 their dead or dying units. It
has a built-in "half-life" of sorts. So= that=20 150,000 units shrinks
daily, towards a total number of zero units tha= t are=20 still fully
functional. I doubt more than 50,000 units work and are i= n=20 homes,
right now? It wouldn't surprise me if it were down to 10,000=20 now?

When Adam and/or Mike asked me for advice on pricing the cons= ole,=20 for
the upcoming "Digital Press Collectors Guide" book, I questioned = if=20
they were talking about a dead unit, or a live one. And I said, in all=20 honesty, that I'd probably include those two categories, if I
were th= e one=20 writing that section of the guide. Because it is not the
world's most= =20 robust console. Buying "spares" seems to be the norm?

Hence the=20 "Astrocade II" project. Which apparently also died a quiet
death, or = is=20 tending towards that as we speak. (See message #776.)

Frankly, I n= ever=20 saw the point of the project, myself, other than
a "neat" challenge f= or=20 the techs who wanted to create it. As soon as
you change one chip, it= is=20 not really an Astrocade at all... it is
just a brand new, 20-plus yea= r old=20 console. That being the case,
personally I think it makes more sense = to=20 just buy up one of the
ultra-cheap C64 units, or the Atari 8-bits, as= they=20 already include
most if not all of the useful features that users hop= ed it=20 would
have. But that's just my opinion. How someone else decides to s= pend=20
their own resources is none of my business, so more power to them, if= =20
they wanted to do it anyway. The only caveat I tried to throw into the=20 way of the design team, was to remind them that if only 30-some
peopl= e=20 were willing to PAY MONEY for an Astrocade multicart, that the
chance= s of=20 getting a financial return on investment was very "iffy".

It isn't= that=20 I like bearing bad news. I just don't like living in a
fantasy world.= I=20 only have one life, and I don't want to waste it on
things that do no= t=20 matter to me, or to anyone else. I'm learning to
qualify a buyer's=20 interest, earnestly, before starting on projects.

What bothers me,= in=20 the context of this "is it really all over now"
type of discussion, i= s how=20 easily everyone looks the other way at all
of the Arcadian newsletter= s=20 that Adam donated his time to give you.

If you really wanted to=20 remember the now-obviously-dead Astrocade and
its era, what better wa= y to=20 do it than to download and print out what
was said about it, way back= =20 when, by those that made it what it once
was? Everything you'd want t= o=20 know about it, is all in there. (You
can't claim it isn't, by the way= ,=20 until you've actually read it!)

I just don't understand that. It s= ounds=20 a lot like those people that
claim to be a servant of one God or anot= her,=20 but when you ask them if
they've ever cracked the cover of their holy= =20 books, and read what God
allegedly took the time to write down for th= em,=20 they have nothing but
excuses. If the religeon isn't worth your time = and=20 effort to read the
holy books made available to you, why call yoursel= f a=20 practicing
member of that religeon? If it was important, you'd go rea= d=20 them. A
lack of reading signals that you just don't care. How could i= t be=20 any
other way? (Putting his fire-proof suit on, and leaving in a=20 hurry!)

-- Ward Shrake --


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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C21648.5A61CB10-- From ward.shrake@w... Wed Jul 03 08:59:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 15:59:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 90983 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 15:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 15:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 15:59:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2002 15:59:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:59:25 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Is Adam allowed to rest on his laurels? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.117 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan In my previous post, I said some things I expected SOMEBODY to argue with. I had hoped that at least one of you would "call me on it," so to speak, but no one did. So I'll rebutt myself, albeit briefly. Who cares if the rest of the world does not like something? If you guys like it, individually, do you really need the approval of the rest of humanity, before you feel entitled to enjoying a hobby? OK, so the Astrocade console only sold 150,000 units over its entire lifetime. OK, so that number is approximately what the Commodore 64 sold in one month's time, during its day. So? If it only sold five units, and you happen to own one, and you like playing with it, that is enough of an argument that you should continue to enjoy it. There are only a few thousand people that are still "into" even the most popular consoles, compared to the millions of units sold when it was a huge fad. So? Only the scale has changed. Thousands of people feels like a huge group to an individual, but apparently a few dozen isn't enough to convince some people that the activity has social approval. Do you guys really need herd approval, to like what you like? I don't. I'm comfortable enough to make my own decisions. The absence of being bombarded by advertisers does not sway my opinion. The reality is, guys, that life ends the same way for everyone. At some point, we all die. That is inevitable. But having a miserable life is not inevitable. We are free to pick and choose from among a bewildering array of options available to us, to seek out happiness. Will playing video games solve any of the world's major problems? No. But it does not have to. Entertainment, I think, is reason enough to be involved with some hobby, with or without "herd approval". -- Ward Shrake -- From komb@s... Wed Jul 03 15:08:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 22:08:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 55825 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 22:08:09 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020703220808.RQSX4312.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:08:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3D237558.8050107@s...> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:06:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Is Adam allowed to rest on his laurels? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > In my previous post, I said some things I expected SOMEBODY to argue > with. I had hoped that at least one of you would "call me on it," so > to speak, but no one did. So I'll rebutt myself, albeit briefly. > You know talking to one's self is frowned on. :) Some of us avoid being argumentative when the truth is self evedent...At least to us. :) Still well said. Was thinking it was too quiet in here anyway. From ballyalley@h... Wed Jul 03 17:33:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 00:33:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 28461 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 00:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 00:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 00:33:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:33:06 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:33:05 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: New Astrocade - 'File Search II' Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:33:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 00:33:06.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D5114A0:01C222F2] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Mike White has written a follow-up to his "File Search" article. He wrote this article on his Astrocade (yes, using the little keypad), so I can't post a text version of it- I only have a printout. I have scanned it already (it's six pages) and I will be posting the article in the next day or two. This brings up a question (again): is there anyone that is programming in Astrobasic? Has ANYONE had good luck saving Astrocade programs? This article by Mike counts on that rather heavily. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From komb@s... Wed Jul 03 19:18:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 02:18:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 36967 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 02:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 02:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 02:18:14 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020704021759.FNGK1514.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:17:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3D23AFF5.9050409@s...> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:16:21 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New Astrocade - 'File Search II' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Mike White has written a follow-up to his "File Search" article. He wrote > this article on his Astrocade (yes, using the little keypad), so I can't > post a text version of it- I only have a printout. I have scanned it > already (it's six pages) and I will be posting the article in the next day > or two. > > This brings up a question (again): is there anyone that is programming in > Astrobasic? Has ANYONE had good luck saving Astrocade programs? This > article by Mike counts on that rather heavily. > > Adam > Anyone other than me? Would be good to know. From rcolbert@c... Thu Jul 04 06:34:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 13:34:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18821 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 13:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 13:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 13:34:33 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020704133432.XLGX3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:34:32 -0400 To: Subject: Happy Independence Day! Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22335.A021BE40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D23AFF5.9050409@s...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22335.A021BE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to wish everyone a happy day! Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:komb@s...] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:16 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New Astrocade - 'File Search II' Adam Trionfo wrote: > Mike White has written a follow-up to his "File Search" article. He wrote > this article on his Astrocade (yes, using the little keypad), so I can't > post a text version of it- I only have a printout. I have scanned it > already (it's six pages) and I will be posting the article in the next day > or two. > > This brings up a question (again): is there anyone that is programming in > Astrobasic? Has ANYONE had good luck saving Astrocade programs? This > article by Mike counts on that rather heavily. > > Adam > Anyone other than me? Would be good to know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22335.A021BE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Ada= m=20 Trionfo wrote:
> Mike White has written a follow-up to his "File Se= arch"=20 article.  He wrote
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> post a text version of it- I only hav= e a=20 printout.  I have scanned it
> already (it's six pages) and I= will=20 be posting the article in the next day
> or two.
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> = This=20 brings up a question (again): is there anyone that is programming in
= >=20 Astrobasic?  Has ANYONE had good luck saving Astrocade programs?&nbs= p;=20 This
> article by Mike counts on that rather heavily.
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= >=20 Adam
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22335.A021BE40-- From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 04 06:35:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 13:35:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 71368 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 13:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 13:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 13:35:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:35:29 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 13:35:29 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'File Search II' uploaded Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 06:35:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 13:35:29.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9AD7E20:01C2235F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I have uploaded the article 'file_search_II.pdf' by Michael White into the file section of the discussion group (The file size is 945K): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/ I need some feedback on this article. Mike included a personal note with the article (Some personal, non-article related, comments have been edited out): Here is (finally) the other part to the saga on file searching! Inside you'll find one of the most important "missing pieces" to the making of Basicarts [Astrobasic programs that can run from cartridge]! I'd like to know if you'd rather have further tutorials written, or the start of the listing of tapes next (which will probably take till Christmas)! I have two more [articles] like this planned, then I could begin a series on Z80 machine code, in and out of BASIC! (Or would you rather go to the tapes?) I'm not even sure anyone buy you will make that listing public anyway, but it should be done for historical records anyway! Does anyone on this group have any suggestions to make to Michael? If you take a look at the article he has written, you will see the amount of work that went into it- and he is VERY willing to help those who want to help themselves, as he says in the article, "if there's a question about anything that I've discussed, please call or write." His contact information is included in the article. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 04 08:45:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 15:45:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 92265 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 15:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 15:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 15:45:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:45:17 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 15:45:17 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Fireworks program Archived (Happy Fourth!) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 08:45:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 15:45:17.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBAEC3A0:01C22371] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Hey everyone! Bob inspired me to wish all Astrocade user's a Happy Fourth of July. How do I do that? Why, I archive a program using his software, of course! I used Bob's program to archive an Astrocade BASIC tape program by The Tiny Arcade called "Fireworks." A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'fireworks.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ I want to thank Bob for making Ballybin- I couldn't have archived this holiday program without it! Anyone that loads this program successfully, please contact me (Lance? Tony? Rob? Wanna give it a go? Even... Ward?). Now, where is that American Flag program I saw in the Arcadian... Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Fireworks Filename: fireworks.wav Released by: The Tiny Arcade Archived with: Ballybin (March 29, 2002 release) by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 4, 2002 Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. It shoots different colored fireworks into the air and there are some explosion sounds. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT ;RUN After you press GO, start playing the wav file. The screen will clear and the program will automatically run. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 04 12:47:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 19:47:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 4804 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 19:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 19:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 19:47:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:47:25 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 19:47:25 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Simon' program archived Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 12:47:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 19:47:25.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F040280:01C22393] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I used Bob's Ballybin program to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. This program, "Simon," is by Brett Bilbrey (with some modification my Michael White). A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'simon.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Anyone that loads this program successfully, please contact me (Lance? Tony? Rob? Wanna give it a go? Even... Ward?). Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Simon Filename: simon.wav Released by: Brett Bilbrey with modifications by Mike White Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 4, 2002 Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic (This is the version that is on the Bally Astrocade multicart). It is just like the electronic game Simon- you follow and reproduce the computer's pattern. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 04 13:03:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 20:03:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 38500 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 20:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 20:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 20:03:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:03:14 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:03:14 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Connect Four' program archived Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 13:03:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 20:03:14.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4CAB970:01C22395] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I used Bob's Ballybin program to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. This program, "Connect Four," is H.L. Hanson. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'simon.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Anyone that loads this program successfully, please contact me (Lance? Tony? Rob? Wanna give it a go? Even... Ward?). Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Connect Four Filename: connect_four.wav Released by: H.L. Hanson (adapted from Robert Leake's program) Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 4, 2002 Appearance: Originally published in Arcadian Vol. 6 Page 110 Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic (This is the version that is on the Bally Astrocade multicart). It is just like the game Connect Four. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 04 13:18:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 20:18:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 89641 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 20:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 20:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 20:18:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:18:47 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:18:47 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Artillery Duel' program archived Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 13:18:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 20:18:47.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[00AB6970:01C22398] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I used Bob's Ballybin program to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'artillery_duel.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Anyone that loads this program successfully, please contact me (Lance? Tony? Rob? Wanna give it a go? Even... Ward?). Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Artillery Duel Filename: artillery_duel.wav Released by: John Perkins Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 4, 2002 Appearance: Originally published in Arcadian Vol. 2 Pages 58-59 Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic (This is the version that is on the Bally Astrocade multicart). This is the game that was later turned into an improved cartridge version. Compare this with the cartridge version and you will see that they are the same game, but the cart version is faster with better graphics. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 04 13:39:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 20:39:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 56458 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 20:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 20:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 20:39:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:39:38 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:39:38 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'O-Jello' program archived Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 13:39:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 20:39:38.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA5DB260:01C2239A] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I used Bob's Ballybin program to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'o-jello.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Anyone that loads this program successfully, please contact me (Lance? Tony? Rob? Wanna give it a go? Even... Ward?). Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: O-Jello Filename: o-jello.wav Released by: Clyde Perkins Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 4, 2002 Appearance: Originally published in Arcadian Vol. 2 Pages 41 Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic (This is the version that is on the Bally Astrocade multicart). This is the board game Othello. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 04 14:02:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 21:02:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 58268 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 21:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 21:02:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 21:02:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:02:09 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 21:02:08 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Can't archive multiload tapes yet Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:02:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 21:02:09.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F8710B0:01C2239E] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I spent a couple of hours today archiving a few Astrocade tape programs. I have NO trouble archiving any program that is written in BASIC and will load in on go with an :INPUT command. I also have no trouble "cleaning up" a tape that is a single load program. 'Ballybin' stumbles when it comes to multiload games (this is a known problem). Most of the companies have a different way of getting the second 'file' to load (the actual program, not the title screen) from the tape. Bob does not have any multi-load tapes to work from, so the problem will remain, for a while anyway. However, I'm happy to say that I am VERY pleased with the progress I was able to make today. I didn't mean to archive any programs at all (well, just the 'Fireworks' program), but it was SO easy I just couldn't help myself. When archiving goes well, it's hard to stop... so I didn't. Well, until now. Several of the program the were archived today are the versions that are on the multicart. In fact, I copied them directly from the cartridge that Ward made. It made my life easier. I need to thank Ward again for making that multicart available. If you don't have one, well, then you are missing out; pick one up today! Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From lasrtt@g... Thu Jul 04 15:01:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 22:01:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 35473 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 22:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 22:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 22:01:49 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYQVUZ01.W6D for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:01:47 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.116.43]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYQVUY00.L3D for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:01:46 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c223a5$b5c29740$cef8fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:56:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22362.A6E83C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22362.A6E83C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: Good work. I am trying to pick up a mulitcart but so far no luck. Hows = the VIPER??? Rick.....=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 1:02 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet I spent a couple of hours today archiving a few Astrocade tape programs. = I=20 have NO trouble archiving any program that is written in BASIC and will l= oad=20 in on go with an :INPUT command. I also have no trouble "cleaning up" a= =20 tape that is a single load program. 'Ballybin' stumbles when it comes to multiload games (this is a known=20 problem). Most of the companies have a different way of getting the seco= nd=20 'file' to load (the actual program, not the title screen) from the tape. = =20 Bob does not have any multi-load tapes to work from, so the problem will= =20 remain, for a while anyway. However, I'm happy to say that I am VERY pleased with the progress I was= =20 able to make today. I didn't mean to archive any programs at all (well,= =20 just the 'Fireworks' program), but it was SO easy I just couldn't help=20 myself. When archiving goes well, it's hard to stop... so I didn't. Wel= l,=20 until now. Several of the program the were archived today are the versions that are = on=20 the multicart. In fact, I copied them directly from the cartridge that W= ard=20 made. It made my life easier. I need to thank Ward again for making tha= t=20 multicart available. If you don't have one, well, then you are missing o= ut;=20 pick one up today! Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:=20 http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22362.A6E83C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam:
    Good work. I am trying = to pick=20 up a mulitcart but so far no luck. Hows the VIPER???
Rick..... 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 = Adam=20 Trionfo
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 1:02= =20 PM
Subject: [ballyalley] Can't archiv= e=20 multiload tapes yet

I spent a couple of hours today archiving a few Astroc= ade=20 tape programs.  I
have NO trouble archiving any program that is= =20 written in BASIC and will load
in on go with an :INPUT command. = I=20 also have no trouble "cleaning up" a
tape that is a single load=20 program.

'Ballybin' stumbles when it comes to multiload games (thi= s is=20 a known
problem).  Most of the companies have a different way of= =20 getting the second
'file' to load (the actual program, not the title= =20 screen) from the tape. 
Bob does not have any multi-load tapes t= o=20 work from, so the problem will
remain, for a while anyway.

How= ever,=20 I'm happy to say that I am VERY pleased with the progress I was
able = to=20 make today.  I didn't mean to archive any programs at all (well, just=20 the 'Fireworks' program), but it was SO easy I just couldn't help=20
myself.  When archiving goes well, it's hard to stop... so I=20 didn't.  Well,
until now.

Several of the program the were= =20 archived today are the versions that are on
the multicart.  In f= act,=20 I copied them directly from the cartridge that Ward
made.  It ma= de my=20 life easier.  I need to thank Ward again for making that
multica= rt=20 available.  If you don't have one, well, then you are missing out;=20
pick one up=20 today!

Adam

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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22362.A6E83C40-- From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 04 18:02:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 01:02:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 5741 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 01:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 01:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.198) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 01:02:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:02:30 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 01:02:30 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 18:02:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 01:02:30.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[A38A9810:01C223BF] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I am trying to pick up a mulitcart but so far no luck. >> There is no luck involved here. Ya just gotta purchase one. Ward's got'em! >> Hows the VIPER??? >> It is sold. I no longer have it. Rick, could you try looking at these archived tapes? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From lasrtt@g... Thu Jul 04 19:02:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 02:02:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 58414 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 02:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 02:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 02:02:38 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYR70B02.YK8 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:02:35 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.125.81]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYR70B02.Y4Q for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:02:35 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c223c7$559223a0$cef8fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:57:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka I have asked Ward for one but was told he doesn't have any. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet > >> > I am trying to pick up a mulitcart but so far no luck. > >> > > There is no luck involved here. Ya just gotta purchase one. Ward's got'em! > > >> > Hows the VIPER??? > >> > > It is sold. I no longer have it. > > Rick, could you try looking at these archived tapes? > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From komb@s... Thu Jul 04 21:10:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 04:10:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 35559 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 04:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 04:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 04:10:38 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020705041032.ZSBO18503.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:10:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3D251BCC.60809@s...> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 00:08:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 'X' program archived References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian They all worked flawlessly over here! Once I found the right volume setting. (Always the problem with tapes) Glad you archived the smarter of the two connect four programs. (Damn thing beat me again!!!) The othello (O-jello) program is quite good. Kept me on my mental toes, but I beat it. May be too simple for a seasoned player. Had never seen the fireworks prog before. Simplistic by todays standards, but manages to get 4 (or more?) colours out of Basic. All together well done! Lance P.S. After playing all of them, the fonts on my computer looked way crisp and slender. :) From lasrtt@g... Thu Jul 04 21:37:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 04:37:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17677 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 04:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 04:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 04:37:05 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYRE5S03.HOZ for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:37:04 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.116.55]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYRE5Q00.Z56 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:37:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c223dc$f016d280$cef8fea9@t...> To: References: <001101c223c7$559223a0$cef8fea9@t...> Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:32:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C22399.E1334FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C22399.E1334FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: You bet, over the weekend. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick & Myrna Trnka=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet I have asked Ward for one but was told he doesn't have any. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet > >> > I am trying to pick up a mulitcart but so far no luck. > >> > > There is no luck involved here. Ya just gotta purchase one. Ward's got'em! > > >> > Hows the VIPER??? > >> > > It is sold. I no longer have it. > > Rick, could you try looking at these archived tapes? > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/term= s/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Hi Adam:
    You bet, over the=20 weekend.
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Rick & Myrna= =20 Trnka
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:57= =20 PM
Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't ar= chive=20 multiload tapes yet

I have asked Ward for one but was told he doesn't have= =20 any.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Trionfo" <ballyalley@h...>
= To:=20 <ballyalley@yahoogroups.com= >
Sent:=20 Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archiv= e=20 multiload tapes yet


> >>
> I am trying to pick = up a=20 mulitcart but so far no luck.
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got'em!
>
> >>
> Hows the VIPER???
&= gt;=20 >>
>
> It is sold.  I no longer have=20 it.
>
> Rick, could you try looking at these archived=20 tapes?
>
> Adam
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C22399.E1334FC0-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 05:07:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 12:07:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 27944 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 12:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 12:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 12:07:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:07:31 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:07:30 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: 'X' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 05:07:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 12:07:31.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[89F982F0:01C2241C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> They all worked flawlessly over here! Once I found the right volume setting. (Always the problem with tapes) >> That is excellent news! Thanks Lance, for trying these archived tapes out so FAST! Thanks Bob for giving us Astrocade users a program that allows us to archive the tape programs! >> Glad you archived the smarter of the two connect four programs. (Damn thing beat me again!!!) >> Well, I just archived the BASIC program that is on the multicart. That worked really well. I stuck in the multicart, switched to AstroBASIC when it asked me to, then saved the program to tape. Then I used Ballybin to clean the program up. It was like magic, or something... >> The othello (O-jello) program is quite good. Kept me on my mental toes, but I beat it. May be too simple for a seasoned player. >> Agreed, but it was a simple type-in program from the Arcadian (and an early issue, at that). Before I tried this program (a couple of years ago), I thought it was a mixed-up word BASIC program. I didn't make the mental connection between the the similar sounding names "O-Jello" and "Othello." >> Had never seen the fireworks prog before. Simplistic by todays standards, but manages to get 4 (or more?) colours out of Basic. >> Yes, it IS very standard fare nowadays. However, this is an EARLY program. What was the programmer working towards? I can't think of another, earlier, fireworks demo. Mike White wrote a "Fireworks" demo too, which I even managed to load yesterday, but I could not archive it because it is part of a multiload tape. >> All together well done! >> I'm thrilled that you were able to load these tapes. I have to say I was SHOCKED to see that someone tried them already. It has given me some kind of newfound "faith." Really, so much that goes on around this discussion board goes by without comment. I expect people to nod their heads and say, "good job." I didn't expect anyone to actually LOAD the programs and try them- not so soon, anyway. >> P.S. After playing all of them, the fonts on my computer looked way crisp and slender. :) >> Yea, I know what you mean; those Astrocade fonts are BIG. Take a look at the MLM cartridge, maybe that will make you feel better, those fonts are a little smaller. Wait until you try Blue Ram BASIC- you'll love the small font size (well, small by Astrocade standards). The Blue Ram Utility even lets you get a hex dump of a cart (or any memory location) with 0-F displayed on one line. Ooohhh... talk about high tech! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 05:31:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 12:31:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8061 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 12:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 12:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 12:31:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:31:52 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:31:52 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Renewed Tape Interest- Thanks to Ballybin Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 05:31:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 12:31:52.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0E39CF0:01C2241F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Hey Everyone, After archiving a few Astrocade tape programs yesterday, I have a renewed interest in the Astrocade's Astrobasic tape interface. I've always had trouble with it; the slightest tone or volume change can make a program difficult to save and reload. With care and patience I could type in a program and save it- but it always felt like a gamble ("can I get this to load again?"). That has ALL changed now; Ballybin really has done away with all that hocus-pocus, sometimes-it-works-sometimes-it-doesn't nonsense. I am now able to save my BASIC program to my computer's hard drive via my sound card's mic-in port. Then I run Ballybin on the just-created wav file, and all is well- I am then able to reload the program PERFECTLY. Sometimes, VERY infrequently, I could do that anyway (without Ballybin)- but now I can do it EVERYTIME. This opens up new doors. Well, it allows the use of doors that should have been open all along... I urge anyone with a passing interest in BASIC to try Ballybin. You don't have to write your own program, just type in a short program from the BASIC manual. You can always download the BASIC manual from ballyalley if you don't already have it, or you could type in a simple one-line program like this: 10 PRINT"HELLO WORLD" Save the above program to your computer with :PRINT, run Ballybin on the wav file, then load the cleaned-up wav file using :INPUT. If it doesn't work, then adjust your volume control until it does. If it still doesn't work, then I would suspect that the audio-interface on your Astrocade cartridge is in a state of disrepair (I have some Astrobasic carts like this). The more people that use Ballybin and give feedback to this group, the more we will know just how reliable it is. The more comfortable we, as a group, feel about using Ballybin, the more that we can do with it. Look at Makewav on the Atari 2600 (a similar program for that console); it's made the Supercharger (the hardware the program requires) into a small and very easy to ue development system. Will this happen on the Astrocade? I don't know- but I DO know that without any feedback, Ballybin will remain in its current state (unknown and unfinished) forever. Adam Trionfo _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 08:18:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 15:18:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 61999 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 15:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 15:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 15:18:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:18:17 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:18:17 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 300 baud to 2000 baud tape conversion Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 08:18:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 15:18:17.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[307A5540:01C22437] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I have spent a couple of hours learning how to load a 300 baud tape and then convert it to 2000 baud so that it can be cleaned-up with Ballybin. I have successfully used Dave Ibach's cartridge swapping routine (Arcadian vol. 4, page 46) to load a tape using the 300-baud interface with the old Bally BASIC cartridge, then I swap cartridges and save the program using Astrobasic. This step takes a bit of time (the cartridge swapping step requires entering a short machine language routine), but it DOES work. I will be uploading one of the programs that was donated by Craig Anderson into the public domain recently to demonstrate that this works. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 08:24:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 15:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 75258 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 15:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 15:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.218) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 15:24:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:24:50 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:24:50 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: XY to Pixel Location' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 08:24:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 15:24:50.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[1ADF5E50:01C22438] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'xy_to_pixel.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Anyone that loads this program successfully, please contact me. Lance, wanna give this one a go (thanks for looking at the other programs so quickly!)? Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: XY to Pixel Location Filename: xy_to_pixel.wav Released by: Craig Anderson Format: 300 Baud (Converted to 2000 baud) Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Graphics Demo - Side 1 (Anderson/Research Design) Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. This version was released on a 300 baud tape for Bally BASIC. Using Dave Ibach's Cartridge Swapping routine (Arcadian, Vol. 4, page 46) it has been converted to 2000 baud format. It seems to run without any problems in Astrobasic. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 08:56:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 15:56:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 46500 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 15:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 15:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.201) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 15:56:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:56:55 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:56:55 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Poke to Pixel Chart' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 08:56:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 15:56:55.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[961C7400:01C2243C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'poke_to_pixel.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Anyone that loads this program successfully, please contact me. Lance, wanna give this one a go (thanks for looking at the other programs so quickly!)? Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Poke to Pixel Chart Filename: poke_to_pixel.wav Released by: Craig Anderson Format: 300 Baud (Converted to 2000 baud) Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Graphics Demo - Side 1 (Anderson/Research Design) Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. This version was released on a 300 baud tape for Bally BASIC. Using Dave Ibach's Cartridge Swapping routine (Arcadian, Vol. 4, page 46) it has been converted to 2000 baud format. It seems to run without any problems in Astrobasic. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From rcolbert@c... Fri Jul 05 09:19:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 16:19:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 91801 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 16:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 16:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 16:19:41 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020705161941.DDIR3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:19:41 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C22415.DD6F5790" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000b01c223a5$b5c29740$cef8fea9@t...> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C22415.DD6F5790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, If somebody would be so kind as to send me a multi-load .wav file, I'll get ballybin to load it. I feel the need to code :) Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rick & Myrna Trnka [mailto:lasrtt@g...] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:57 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Hi Adam: Good work. I am trying to pick up a mulitcart but so far no luck. Hows the VIPER??? Rick..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Trionfo To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 1:02 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet I spent a couple of hours today archiving a few Astrocade tape programs. I have NO trouble archiving any program that is written in BASIC and will load in on go with an :INPUT command. I also have no trouble "cleaning up" a tape that is a single load program. 'Ballybin' stumbles when it comes to multiload games (this is a known problem). Most of the companies have a different way of getting the second 'file' to load (the actual program, not the title screen) from the tape. Bob does not have any multi-load tapes to work from, so the problem will remain, for a while anyway. However, I'm happy to say that I am VERY pleased with the progress I was able to make today. I didn't mean to archive any programs at all (well, just the 'Fireworks' program), but it was SO easy I just couldn't help myself. When archiving goes well, it's hard to stop... so I didn't. Well, until now. Several of the program the were archived today are the versions that are on the multicart. In fact, I copied them directly from the cartridge that Ward made. It made my life easier. I need to thank Ward again for making that multicart available. If you don't have one, well, then you are missing out; pick one up today! Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? 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 =20 Hi,
      &= nbsp;=20 If somebody would be so kind as= to send me=20 a multi-load .wav file, I'll get ballybin to load it.  I feel the need= to=20 code :)
 
        =            =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick & Myrna Trnk= a=20 [mailto:lasrtt@g...]
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:57=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:=20 [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet

Hi Adam:
    Good work. I am tryin= g to pick=20 up a mulitcart but so far no luck. Hows the VIPER???
Rick..... 
----- Original Message -----
F= rom:=20 Adam=20 Trionfo
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 1:= 02=20 PM
Subject: [ballyalley] Can't arch= ive=20 multiload tapes yet

I spent a couple of hours today archiving a few Astr= ocade=20 tape programs.  I
have NO trouble archiving any program that i= s=20 written in BASIC and will load
in on go with an :INPUT command.&nbs= p; I=20 also have no trouble "cleaning up" a
tape that is a single load=20 program.

'Ballybin' stumbles when it comes to multiload games (t= his=20 is a known
problem).  Most of the companies have a different w= ay of=20 getting the second
'file' to load (the actual program, not the titl= e=20 screen) from the tape. 
Bob does not have any multi-load tapes= to=20 work from, so the problem will
remain, for a while=20 anyway.

However, I'm happy to say that I am VERY pleased with th= e=20 progress I was
able to make today.  I didn't mean to archive a= ny=20 programs at all (well,
just the 'Fireworks' program), but it was SO= easy=20 I just couldn't help
myself.  When archiving goes well, it's h= ard=20 to stop... so I didn't.  Well,
until now.

Several of th= e=20 program the were archived today are the versions that are on
the=20 multicart.  In fact, I copied them directly from the cartridge tha= t=20 Ward
made.  It made my life easier.  I need to thank Ward= =20 again for making that
multicart available.  If you don't have = one,=20 well, then you are missing out;
pick one up=20 today!

Adam

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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C22415.DD6F5790-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 09:49:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 16:49:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 47780 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:49:00 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:49:00 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Screen Locator' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 09:49:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 16:49:00.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCB58E90:01C22443] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'screen_locator.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Anyone that loads this program successfully, please contact me. Lance, wanna give this one a go (thanks for looking at the other programs so quickly!)? Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Screen Locator Filename: screen_locator.wav Released by: Craig Anderson Format: 300 Baud (Converted to 2000 baud) Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Graphics Demo - Side 1 (Anderson/Research Design) Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. This version was released on a 300 baud tape for Bally BASIC. Using Dave Ibach's Cartridge Swapping routine (Arcadian, Vol. 4, page 46) it has been converted to 2000 baud format. It seems to run without any problems in Astrobasic. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 10:26:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 17:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 73185 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 17:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 17:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 17:26:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:26:00 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 17:26:00 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:26:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 17:26:00.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[07EE8580:01C22449] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Bob wrote: >> If somebody would be so kind as to send me a multi-load .wav file, I'll get ballybin to load it. I feel the need to code :) >> I tried to upload the full two minutes of a multiload tape by Wavemaker's called L.T. Little Terrestrial. Even zipped it's 10MB. I just discovered that while there is space for the file on the discussion group, file size is limited to 5MB. The program MIGHT be repeating itself on the tape (in case one load goes bad), but I need to check into that. If it is doing that, then I might be able to half the size of the file. I'll let you know tonight. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From rcolbert@c... Fri Jul 05 11:28:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 18:28:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 48285 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 18:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 18:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 18:28:38 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020705182838.DTEK3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:28:38 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C22427.E16E9380" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C22427.E16E9380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've set up an ftp site for anyone who wishes to upload any files. There is plenty of room! Make sure you set the file type to binary before uploading! Address: 68.13.98.150 Login: bally Pass: astrocade Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:26 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Can't archive multiload tapes yet Bob wrote: >> If somebody would be so kind as to send me a multi-load .wav file, I'll get ballybin to load it. I feel the need to code :) >> I tried to upload the full two minutes of a multiload tape by Wavemaker's called L.T. Little Terrestrial. Even zipped it's 10MB. I just discovered that while there is space for the file on the discussion group, file size is limited to 5MB. The program MIGHT be repeating itself on the tape (in case one load goes bad), but I need to check into that. If it is doing that, then I might be able to half the size of the file. I'll let you know tonight. 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Bo= b=20 wrote:
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>>

I tried to upload the full two minutes of a multilo= ad=20 tape by Wavemaker's
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C22427.E16E9380-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 11:46:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 18:46:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 35389 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:46:52 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:46:51 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: L.T. uploaded to Bob's temp FTP site Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:46:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 18:46:52.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[53D70B10:01C22454] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Bob wrote: >> I've set up an ftp site for anyone who wishes to upload any files. There is plenty of room! Make sure you set the file type to binary before uploading! >> Super! Excellent! Wonderful! I uploaded the program I was telling you about (L.T.). It's rather noisy, but that's the condition of the tape. Even without ballybin, I am able to load this straight from the wav file onto my Astrocade, so you should have no problem. Please, give me any suggestions that you may have for more helpful uploads. I can upload more example of Wavemakers programs, or maybe even a 300 baud program too (course, I don't think that you have a 300 baud interface). Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 13:42:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 20:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 47552 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 20:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 20:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.193) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 20:42:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:42:45 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:42:45 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Decimal to Poke' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:42:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 20:42:45.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[84564110:01C22464] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'decimal_to_poke.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Decimal to Poke Filename: decimal_to_poke.wav Released by: Craig Anderson Format: 300 Baud (Converted to 2000 baud) Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Graphics Demo - Side 1 (Anderson/Research Design) Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. This version was released on a 300 baud tape for Bally BASIC. Using Dave Ibach's Cartridge Swapping routine (Arcadian, Vol. 4, page 46) it has been converted to 2000 baud format. This programming utility converts a hex number to the decimal number needed to be poked into BASIC when writing machine language or creating graphics. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 13:57:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 20:57:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 42061 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 20:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 20:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 20:57:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:57:44 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:57:43 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Example of 300 baud program that won't run in 2000 baud Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:57:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 20:57:44.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BFF2910:01C22466] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Example of 300 baud program that won't run in 2000 baud The 300-baud interface for the Astrocade can continue to read data while a program is running, and there are quite a few programs written in Bally BASIC that take advantage of this. The fifth program on side one of "Graphics Demo" (the tape I've been archiving today- since Craig said all the programs are now public domain) is one that does just that. The program is called "Type Sample Lower Case Sans Serif." It reads program data from the tape while the program is running. There is no way that this program will run under Astrobasic- nor is there any way to archive this program in 300-baud format. I'd like to know what people out there think would be a good idea to do with this program (and any other programs like it). I suddenly feel like I'm back in the tape archiving business. Funny, that. I've archived more tapes since I said I was giving up the project then the entire time I was working on it. Anyone care to explain THAT to me... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 14:29:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 21:29:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 33732 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 21:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 21:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 21:29:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:29:28 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:29:28 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Bob's temp FTP site - Uploaded 300-baud program Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:29:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 21:29:28.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B1C7470:01C2246B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I have uploaded a 300-baud program to the ftp site. It's called 'type_sample-300_baud.zip' It is about 7MB in size. This program loads into memory and then gets info from the tape as it is running. The info that it is getting is font data. Pretty neat program. Since the 300-baud interface is SO much more forgiving than the 2000-baud interface, anyone (with a 300-baud interface and Bally BASIC) could load this program. After using the 300-baud interface today, I feel spoiled. It's slower, sure, but it more than makes up for itself in how easy it is to get a program to load. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 14:42:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 21:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 32382 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 21:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 21:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 21:42:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:42:39 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:42:38 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Graphics Demo Tape Archive progress Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:42:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 21:42:39.0191 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2525670:01C2246C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Here is a summary of the tape archive project for just ONE tape: Graphics Demo - By Anderson/Research Design Side 1 ------ 1. XY To Pixel Location Archived 2000 baud 2. Poke to Pixel Chart Archived 2000 baud 3. Screen Locator Archived 2000 baud 4. Decimal to Poke Archived 2000 baud 5. Type Sample NOT Archived 300 baud Lower Case Sans Serif Side 2 ------ 1. Explorer I NOT Archived 300 baud 2. A.R.D. Logo NOT Archived 300 baud You can download these file that have been archived from the discussion group. Each of the first four programs from the first side of the tape was in 300 baud format, but I converted them to 2000 baud. These programs are utilities used to create the graphic demos that are on the rest of the tape. There is no way to convert the final three programs to 2000-baud format, thus they can not be archived. Besides, they need to be archived in 300 baud format because they make HEAVY use of the 300-baud interface (each program reads graphic data from the tape while the program is running). I have run each of the program- and each works fine, though the very last program (the 'A.R.D. Logo') has some read errors- playing around and adjusting the volume/tone probably would fix these. Thanks, Craig, for allowing these programs to be passed into the public domain! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 15:19:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 22:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 76163 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 22:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 22:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 22:19:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:19:57 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:19:57 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Galactic War 2002' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:19:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 22:19:57.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[18A651E0:01C22472] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 'Galactic War 2002' program archived I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'galactic_war.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Galactic War 2002 Filename: galactic_war.wav Released by: L&M Software Format: 300 Baud (Converted to 2000 baud) Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Side B (Side A contains Space Quest 2001) Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. This version was released on a 300 baud tape for Bally BASIC. Using Dave Ibach's Cartridge Swapping routine (Arcadian, Vol. 4, page 46) it has been converted to 2000 baud format. This is a very bland BASIC game- it's VERY early and should NOT be used as an indicator of how good a BASIC program can be. It here for historical purposes, and for use as comparison with program that would come later and show a little more of what BASIC could do. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 15:42:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 22:42:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 2929 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 22:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 22:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.125) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 22:42:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:42:18 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:42:18 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Space Quest 2001' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:42:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 22:42:18.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[37DE14F0:01C22475] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 'Space Quest 2001' program archived I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'space_quest.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Space Quest 2001 Filename: space_quest.wav Released by: L&M Software Format: 300 Baud (Converted to 2000 baud) Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Side A (Side B contains Galactic War 2002) Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. This version was released on a 300 baud tape for Bally BASIC. Using Dave Ibach's Cartridge Swapping routine (Arcadian, Vol. 4, page 46) it has been converted to 2000 baud format. This is a very bland BASIC game (and it's SLOW)- it's VERY early and should NOT be used as an indicator of how good a BASIC program can be. It's here for historical purposes, and for use as comparison with programs that would come later and show a little more of what BASIC could do. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 16:00:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 23:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 97978 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 23:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 23:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 23:00:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:59:59 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:59:59 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:59:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 22:59:59.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0715240:01C22477] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach My use of Astrocade tapes has changed for the better- let me tell you! I am in the middle of listening to a George Moses tape (now public domain) called "15 Two Part Inventions." It requires the 300-baud interface to use, and I've never had ANY luck with it before, but today I am hearing it now for the first time- with no problems whatsoever. It loads in such a strange manner too- but I'm getting used to the Astrocade doing everything in a strange way (there's nothing ordinary about the machine, is there?). The music data loads into memory, then the program runs, but you don't stop the tape (even though there isn't anymore data coming in). Check out the George Moses interview from this past summer, he gives more details on how the program works. It's great to have his programs finally running. Does the Astrocade have great sound? Well, for 1977? Yes! For today... well, no- but when other computers had NO sound, the Astrocade was capable of doing some great stuff. This George Moses music (well, Bach, really) is absolutely some of the best music I've heard on the Astrocade. I wish that there were a way to share this... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 16:14:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 23:14:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 893 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 23:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 23:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 23:14:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:14:38 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 23:14:38 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 2000-baud, REAL Games, and Power Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:14:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 23:14:38.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC15E730:01C22479] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 2000-baud, REAL Games, and Power Well, I've been working with the Astrocade most of the day, and it's official- I have fallen for Ballybin! I have not had ANY trouble with it at all; I bet you won't either. No one's going to be able to take it away from me. It's actually managed to get out the sour taste in my mouth (in one day!) that has been left by years of fighting with the 2000-baud interface. What's exciting about this isn't that we can now use the BASIC programs that are being archived- only a small fraction of those programs and games would make any of us jaded users even blink an eye. I'm excited because now the power is available to anyone to write something, anything, for the Astocade using BASIC. I'm not gonna lie to ya, BASIC just isn't up to the task of writing a game that would appeal to most people. However, small machine language programs CAN be written and then loaded with the Astrobasic interface (sure, most people are NOT up to this task, but SOME are). I've talked about this before (loading programs via the 2000-baud interface). Now that Lance has tried (with success) to load some of the archived programs, I hope that more people can give it a go. Just try a few- you don't have to try to load them all. Leave feedback: complain, whine, or say how surprised you are about how EASY it is to load the cleaned-up programs now. I want to know if Lance and I are just lucky, or if everyone will be able to harness the power of Ballybin. I'm looking for truth, and I can't find it without some help from you Astrocade fans! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 19:59:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 02:59:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 4861 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 02:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 02:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 02:59:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:59:10 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:59:10 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'New Ghost' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:59:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 02:59:10.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A25DB40:01C22499] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 'New Ghost' program archived I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'new_ghost.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: New Ghost Filename: new_ghost.wav Released by: ? Format: 300 Baud (Converted to 2000 baud) Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Unknown Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. This version was released on a 300 baud tape for Bally BASIC. Using Dave Ibach's Cartridge Swapping routine (Arcadian, Vol. 4, page 46) it has been converted to 2000 baud format. "Horrible Harry the insulting TV Ghost mysteriously appears at Halloween" This program shows a friendly looking ghost/skull with moving eyes. Insults appear on the screen. There seems to be at least one difference when this program is run under Astrobasic. The "laughing" sound that the ghost/skull makes sounds much better on the original version of BASIC. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 05 20:39:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 03:39:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 94414 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 03:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 03:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 03:39:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:39:32 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 03:39:32 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: '256 Color Display' program archived Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:39:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 03:39:32.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDAC3ED0:01C2249E] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo '256 Color Display' program archived I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called '256 Color Display' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: 256 Color Display Filename: 256_color_display.wav Released by: Jerry Burianyk Format: Astrobasic, 2000 baud Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Astrobasic Manual, page 94 Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. >From the Astrobasic manual: "This program has especially delighted the average user as it appears to be impossible to accomplish such a thing with Bally BASIC. [...] Thanks to The Basic Express newsletter for sharing this program with us." Though the text doesn't mention this, try moving the paddle of hand controller number one for a neat affect. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From rcolbert@c... Fri Jul 05 21:14:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 04:14:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 32315 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 04:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 04:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao07.cox.net) (68.1.17.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 04:14:27 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020706041428.UDXG1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:14:28 -0400 To: Subject: Little Terrestrial tape archived - Plus a new version of ballybin! Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22479.B8627C20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22479.B8627C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I was able to archive the Little Terrestrial tape Adam uploaded. There were 5 loads on the tape, they were as follows: 1) Little Terrestrial 2) Little Terrestrial (identical to the first) 3) Memory Lane 4) Wack-A-Mole 5) Music Keyboard The archived versions are available on my ftp site under the Archived_Tapes directory. The orignal .wav file compressed was 10 megs. The archived version is 27 K :^) I was never able to load the original version successfully, but the new version loads every time. Ballybin v1.1 The new version of ballybin adds some great functionality, not to mention that I modified the decoding algorithm be a little bit smarter. Version 1.0 would not convert the Little Terrestrial tape Adam sent me, this version converts it fine. The interface has changed a bit. Now, flags are used to designate the output files and a couple of options. Here is the interface description: Usage: BallyBin [-b (binary output file name - default = test.bin)] [-h (minimum half-wavelength)] [-m ] {don't split multi-loads - default = split} [-w (.wav file name - default = new.wav)] (input .wav filename) Don't panic, it's simple... Here is an example ballybin -w g:\lt-tape2.wav g:\lt-tape.wav This causes ballybin to open the input file g:\lt-tape.wav and create the output_file g:\lt-tape2.wav. Now for the other great feature! Since lt-tape is a multi-load, if you use the -m flag: ballybin -m -w g:\lt-tape2.wav g:\lt-tape.wav You will get 5 files named lt-tape2_1.wav, lt-tape2_2.wav, lt-tape2_3.wav, lt-tape2_4.wav, and lt-tape2_5.wav ! The -h flag is for tweaking with the load when there are problems. Most likely useful values are between 2 and 13. Have fun and let me know how your archiving goes. If you have problems with any particular tape, upload it to the ftp site and post the problem here on the mailing list. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:40 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] '256 Color Display' program archived '256 Color Display' program archived I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called '256 Color Display' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: 256 Color Display Filename: 256_color_display.wav Released by: Jerry Burianyk Format: Astrobasic, 2000 baud Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Astrobasic Manual, page 94 Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. >From the Astrobasic manual: "This program has especially delighted the average user as it appears to be impossible to accomplish such a thing with Bally BASIC. [...] Thanks to The Basic Express newsletter for sharing this program with us." Though the text doesn't mention this, try moving the paddle of hand controller number one for a neat affect. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22479.B8627C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
    I was able to archive the Little Terrestrial tape = Adam=20 uploaded.  There were 5 loads on the tape, they were as=20 follows:
 
      &= nbsp;=20 1) Little Terrestrial
      &= nbsp;=20 2) Little Terrestrial (identica= l to the=20 first)
      &= nbsp;=20 3) Memory Lane
      &= nbsp;=20 4) Wack-A-Mole
        = 5) Music Keyboard
 
The=20 archived versions are available on my ftp site under the Archived_Tapes=20 directory.  The orignal .wav file compressed was 10 megs.  The=20 archived version is 27 K :^)  I was never able to load the=20 original version successfully, but the new version loads every=20 time.
 
Ballybin v1.1
 
The=20 new version of ballybin adds some great functionality, not to mention = that=20 I modified the decoding algorithm be a little bit smarter.  Version 1.= 0=20 would not convert the Little Terrestrial tape Adam sent me, this version=20 converts it fine.  The interface has changed a bit.  Now, flags a= re=20 used to designate the output files and a couple of options.  Here is t= he=20 interface description:
 
Usage:
   BallyBin [-b (binary output file name - def= ault =3D=20 test.bin)]
          &= nbsp;=20 [-h (minimum=20 half-wavelength)]
         =   =20 [-m ] {don't split multi-loads - default =3D=20 split}
           = ; [-w=20 (.wav file name - default =3D=20 new.wav)]
          &n= bsp;=20 (input .wav filename)
 
Don't=20 panic, it's simple... Here is an example
 
ballybin -w g:\lt-tape2.wav g:\lt-tape.wav
 
This=20 causes ballybin to open the input file g:\lt-tape.wav and create the output= _file=20 g:\lt-tape2.wav.  Now for the other great feature!  Since lt-tape= is a=20 multi-load, if you use the -m flag:
 
ballybin -m -w g:\lt-tape2.wav g:\lt-tape.wav
 
You will get 5 files named lt-tape2_1= .wav,=20 lt-tape2_2.wav, lt-tape2_3.wav, lt-tape2_4.wav, and lt-tape2_5.wav=20 !
 
The -h flag is for tweaking with the = load=20 when there are problems.  Most likely useful values are between 2 and= =20 13.
 
Have fun and let me know how your arc= hiving=20 goes.  If you have problems with any particular tape, upload it to the= ftp=20 site and post the problem here on the mailing list.
 
        =        =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:= 40=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyalle= y]=20 '256 Color Display' program archived

'256 Color=20 Display' program archived

I used Ballybin to archive another Astro= cade=20 BASIC tape program.  A full
explanation about the program is=20 below.  Load it up and have fun with it! It
is called '256 Color= =20 Display' and can be downloaded from the discussion
group file=20 area:

htt= p://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/

Adam

Astrocade=20 Tape Program Archive=20 Record
-------------------------------------

Program Name: = ; 256=20 Color Display
Filename:     =20 256_color_display.wav
Released by:   Jerry=20 Burianyk
Format:        Astrobasic,= 2000=20 baud
Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert
Archived by:  = ;=20 Adam Trionfo
Archive Date:  July 5,=20 2002
Appearance:    Astrobasic Manual, page=20 94

Description
-----------

This is a 2000 baud BASIC pro= gram=20 for use with a Bally Astrocade and
Astrobasic.
From the Astrobasic= =20 manual:

"This program has especially delighted the average user as= it=20 appears to be
impossible to accomplish such a thing with Bally BASIC.= =20 [...] Thanks to The
Basic Express newsletter for sharing this program= with=20 us."

Though the text doesn't mention this, try moving the paddle o= f=20 hand
controller number one for a neat affect.

Loading=20 Instructions
--------------------

Plug audio cable into Astroba= sic=20 cartridge and headphone jack of computer
speakers, then load program = from=20 Astrobasic with

:INPUT

Press GO.  Then start playing t= he=20 wav file; the program will start to load. 
After the program fin= ishes=20 loading, type RUN and then press GO.

END OF=20 FILE


_________________________________________________________= ________
MSN=20 Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
http://photos.msn.c= om/support/worldwide.aspx


Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22479.B8627C20-- From rcolbert@c... Fri Jul 05 21:24:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 04:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 86736 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 04:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 04:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 04:24:50 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020706042449.GIDG3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:24:49 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Little Terrestrial tape archived - Plus a new version of ballybin! Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:24:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2247B.2B7042F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2247B.2B7042F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One minor correction to my last post, the -m flag on ballybin turns multi-load splitting ON not OFF as my e-mail stated. That is, by default, multi-loads create 1 big .wav file. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Bob Colbert [mailto:rcolbert@c...] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:15 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] Little Terrestrial tape archived - Plus a new version of ballybin! Hi, I was able to archive the Little Terrestrial tape Adam uploaded. There were 5 loads on the tape, they were as follows: 1) Little Terrestrial 2) Little Terrestrial (identical to the first) 3) Memory Lane 4) Wack-A-Mole 5) Music Keyboard The archived versions are available on my ftp site under the Archived_Tapes directory. The orignal .wav file compressed was 10 megs. The archived version is 27 K :^) I was never able to load the original version successfully, but the new version loads every time. Ballybin v1.1 The new version of ballybin adds some great functionality, not to mention that I modified the decoding algorithm be a little bit smarter. Version 1.0 would not convert the Little Terrestrial tape Adam sent me, this version converts it fine. The interface has changed a bit. Now, flags are used to designate the output files and a couple of options. Here is the interface description: Usage: BallyBin [-b (binary output file name - default = test.bin)] [-h (minimum half-wavelength)] [-m ] {don't split multi-loads - default = split} [-w (.wav file name - default = new.wav)] (input .wav filename) Don't panic, it's simple... Here is an example ballybin -w g:\lt-tape2.wav g:\lt-tape.wav This causes ballybin to open the input file g:\lt-tape.wav and create the output_file g:\lt-tape2.wav. Now for the other great feature! Since lt-tape is a multi-load, if you use the -m flag: ballybin -m -w g:\lt-tape2.wav g:\lt-tape.wav You will get 5 files named lt-tape2_1.wav, lt-tape2_2.wav, lt-tape2_3.wav, lt-tape2_4.wav, and lt-tape2_5.wav ! The -h flag is for tweaking with the load when there are problems. Most likely useful values are between 2 and 13. Have fun and let me know how your archiving goes. If you have problems with any particular tape, upload it to the ftp site and post the problem here on the mailing list. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:40 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] '256 Color Display' program archived '256 Color Display' program archived I used Ballybin to archive another Astrocade BASIC tape program. A full explanation about the program is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called '256 Color Display' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: 256 Color Display Filename: 256_color_display.wav Released by: Jerry Burianyk Format: Astrobasic, 2000 baud Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 5, 2002 Appearance: Astrobasic Manual, page 94 Description ----------- This is a 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. >From the Astrobasic manual: "This program has especially delighted the average user as it appears to be impossible to accomplish such a thing with Bally BASIC. [...] Thanks to The Basic Express newsletter for sharing this program with us." Though the text doesn't mention this, try moving the paddle of hand controller number one for a neat affect. Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2247B.2B7042F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One=20 minor correction to my last post, the -m flag on ballybin turns multi-load= =20 splitting ON not OFF as my e-mail stated.  That is, by default, multi-= loads=20 create 1 big .wav file.
 
        =        =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Colbert=20 [mailto:rcolbert@c...]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:15=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyalle= y]=20 Little Terrestrial tape archived - Plus a new version of=20 ballybin!

Hi,
    I was able to archive the Little Terrestrial tap= e Adam=20 uploaded.  There were 5 loads on the tape, they were as=20 follows:
 
      = ; =20 1) Little=20 Terrestrial
      = ; =20 2) Little Terrestrial (identi= cal to the=20 first)
      = ; =20 3) Memory Lane<= /DIV>
      = ; =20 4) Wack-A-Mole<= /DIV>
       &nbs= p;5) Music Keyboard
 
The=20 archived versions are available on my ftp site under the Archived_Tapes=20 directory.  The orignal .wav file compressed was 10 megs.  The= =20 archived version is 27 K :^)  I was never able to load the= =20 original version successfully, but the new version loads every=20 time.
 
Ballybin v1.1
 
The=20 new version of ballybin adds some great functionality, not to mentio= n=20 that I modified the decoding algorithm be a little bit smarter.  Ver= sion=20 1.0 would not convert the Little Terrestrial tape Adam sent me, this vers= ion=20 converts it fine.  The interface has changed a bit.  Now, flags= are=20 used to designate the output files and a couple of options.  Here is= the=20 interface description:
 
Usage:
   BallyBin [-b (binary output file name - d= efault=20 =3D=20 test.bin)]
          = ; =20 [-h (minimum=20 half-wavelength)]
        &nbs= p;  =20 [-m ] {don't split multi-loads - default =3D=20 split}
          &nb= sp;=20 [-w (.wav file name - default =3D=20 new.wav)]
          =  =20 (input .wav filename)
 
Don't panic, it's simple... Here is an example
 
ballybin -w g:\lt-tape2.wav g:\lt-tape.wav
 
This=20 causes ballybin to open the input file g:\lt-tape.wav and create the=20 output_file g:\lt-tape2.wav.  Now for the other great feature! = =20 Since lt-tape is a multi-load, if you use the -m flag:
 
ballybin -m -w g:\lt-tape2.wav g:\lt-tape.wav
 
You will get 5 files named lt-tape2= _1.wav,=20 lt-tape2_2.wav, lt-tape2_3.wav, lt-tape2_4.wav, and lt-tape2_5.wav=20 !
 
The -h flag is for tweaking with th= e load=20 when there are problems.  Most likely useful values are between 2 an= d=20 13.
 
Have fun and let me know how your=20 archiving goes.  If you have problems with any particular tape, uplo= ad it=20 to the ftp site and post the problem here on the mailing list.
 
       &nbs= p;       =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 1= 0:40=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyal= ley]=20 '256 Color Display' program archived

'256 Color= =20 Display' program archived

I used Ballybin to archive another=20 Astrocade BASIC tape program.  A full
explanation about the pr= ogram=20 is below.  Load it up and have fun with it! It
is called '256 = Color=20 Display' and can be downloaded from the discussion
group file=20 area:

h= ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/

Adam=


Astrocade=20 Tape Program Archive=20 Record
-------------------------------------

Program Name:&nb= sp;=20 256 Color Display
Filename:     =20 256_color_display.wav
Released by:   Jerry=20 Burianyk
Format:        Astrobasi= c,=20 2000 baud
Archived with: Ballybin by Bob Colbert
Archived=20 by:   Adam Trionfo
Archive Date:  July 5,=20 2002
Appearance:    Astrobasic Manual, page=20 94

Description
-----------

This is a 2000 baud BASIC=20 program for use with a Bally Astrocade and
Astrobasic.
From the= =20 Astrobasic manual:

"This program has especially delighted the av= erage=20 user as it appears to be
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2247B.2B7042F0-- From komb@s... Fri Jul 05 21:42:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 04:42:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 46244 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 04:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 04:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 04:42:49 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706044250.LNLH11295.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:42:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2674D7.7030607@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 00:40:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Galactic War 2002' program archived References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > 'Galactic War 2002' program archived > I'm sorry to report that this save has an error at line 560. The line reads here: 560 BC=0;NEXT N;&(21?? Can you verify if this is the same as your original, or if you can get a better load? Thanks, This only seems to affect the game if/when you loose a ship. Lance From komb@s... Fri Jul 05 22:13:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 05:13:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 32859 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 05:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 05:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 05:13:58 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706051352.QRUS18503.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:13:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3D267C24.6000900@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:12:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Space Quest 2001' program archived References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > 'Space Quest 2001' program archived > You woulden't have the instructions on HOW you're suposed to win this game, would you? All other files loaded flawlessly at the same settings as before. Man is it nice not to have to type 256 color program in again. ;) I realise you're doing this on the fly, but could you make title screen when you save? Try: CLEAR;PRINT " GIZMO FLINGY!!!";:PRINT With an option of ;RUN to auto run the games. Just a suggestion. Excelent work otherwise. As to the previous programs, I was rather amazed at the quality of O-jello. Fireworks was also impresive for a basic program, however I coulden't stop thinking how a ML version would look...:) New ghost is amusing, good for the kids on Holloween...Back then anyway.. Though such pixilation seen in todays view may actually be a horror! :) Lance P.S. Will try to archive one of my favorite type in programs this weekend, Time permitting. From komb@s... Fri Jul 05 22:17:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 05:17:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 51778 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 05:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 05:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 05:17:01 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706051705.LLGO1307.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:17:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3D267CDB.2010000@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:15:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach > > > I wish that there were a way to share this... > > Adam > Um..er... Record it to a wave file?!?! ;) Lance From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 06:08:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 13:08:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 56918 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 13:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 13:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.171) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 13:08:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 06:08:15 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:08:15 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 06:08:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 13:08:15.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[30CFB410:01C224EE] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Lance wrote: >> > George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach > I wish that there were a way to share this... Um..er... Record it to a wave file?!?! ;) >> Yea, but it's 30 minutes long... without being cleaned up, I figure that this would be about a 150MB zip file. I'm basing this estimate on the two minute L.T. file that was 10MB when compressed. I'm not even going to attempt making a wav file of these- not unless someone can figure something out... Not to rub salt into open wounds, but not having the George Moses tapes available is pretty sad (for you guys, he, he) because they are (without doubt) some of the most interesting tapes in the Astrocade's tape library. They don't do ANYTHING graphical (they just display the title of the music playing), but there just isn't anything else like them on the Astrocade- or any other classic platform. Yes, there are tunes on all the classic consoles (and if you count the C64 then the SID chip really lays waste to all this Astrocade music)- BUT the Astrocade has 1.8K available in BASIC... these tapes are REALLY something. The process by which the music is played is just... NEAT. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 06:26:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 13:26:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 65385 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 13:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 13:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.198) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 13:26:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 06:26:48 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:26:47 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Space Quest 2001' program archived Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 06:26:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 13:26:48.0102 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7B42C60:01C224F0] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> You woulden't have the instructions on HOW you're suposed to win this game [Space Quest], would you? >> Nope. I'm clueless about this myself. I wondered if anyone else was going to ask this. Not only does the player get to put up with one of the longest setups in BASIC game history (well, actually, not even close to the longest- but it does take a WHILE), but then I don't know how to play the game. >> All other files loaded flawlessly at the same settings as before. >> Excellent. Thank Bob for that- he's done a wonderful job with Ballybin- hasn't he? >> Man is it nice not to have to type 256 color program in again. ;) >> This is a cool little program. I didn't know until yesterday that playing with the hand control controlled how much color is visable- that's a neat looking effect. >> Excelent work otherwise. >> Converting the 2000-baud tapes doesn't take too long- it's the loading and then the cartridge swapping and then of the 300-baud tapes that tapes a while. I'm very pleased that the process works so well. I'm going to be typing in the three-part article from the Arcadian that explains this process- it's worth knowing how to do. >> As to the previous programs, I was rather amazed at the quality of O-jello. >> Yes, O-Jello surprised me too. It's one of the better looking BASIC games; which is weird, since it's an early one. I think it works well because the graphics are crisp and the game is just well laid-out. >> Fireworks was also impresive for a basic program, however I coulden't stop thinking how a ML version would look...:) >> More colors for one thing, but the fireworks could cruise around the screen a lot faster too. On Thursday night we saw a fabulous (and LOUD) fireworks display- it was ever so slightly better than the Astrocade version... >> New ghost is amusing, good for the kids on Holloween...Back then anyway.. Though such pixilation seen in todays view may actually be a horror! :) >> I think I remember reading about this program in a newsletter, but I just can't remember which one. I don't think that there is a listing in any of them, so this one is sort of a mystery. I don't even know who wrote it (that's what happens when you don't put your name in remark statement- your name is lost in history). The program was on a hand-written tape with some other programs also recorded in 300-baud. Maybe someone will recognise the names of the other programs: "Stategic Air Command" (SLOW and BAD- decided not to archive it), "Computer Twixt," "Grandfather Clock," "Alchemusymmetric" (I THINK that's what the handwritting says), "Circle Plotter," "Surf Sound and Cric..," "TV Ghost," (the label says TV Ghost, but the program remark says "New Ghost") "Circles Pop Art," "Pick a Patterns." Maybe the same person who wrote the other programs wrote "New Ghost." >> P.S. Will try to archive one of my favorite type in programs this weekend, Time permitting. >> Which one are we talking about? I may have it in tape already... Anyone have any favorite type-in programs besides Lance and I? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 06:38:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 13:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 93688 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 13:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 13:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 13:38:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 06:38:17 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:38:17 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Tape Title Screens Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 06:38:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 13:38:17.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[627A8F40:01C224F2] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Astrocade Tape Title Screens Lance wrote: >> I realise you're doing this on the fly, but could you make title screen when you save [the archived programs]? Try: CLEAR;PRINT " GIZMO FLINGY!!!";:PRINT With an option of ;RUN to auto run the games. Just a suggestion. >> I thought about this, but I like to have stuff on the screen (and the program is as good as anything else). Your idea is a VERY good one; a title-screen of some sort is a good idea, but if the screen is blank, then it's hard to tell if you are getting a proper load (though, with Ballybin, that's not too much trouble anymore). I was thinking about trying a utility called Repack that allows you to load a program into expanded memory and then change the graphic bits so that you can put any title screen you want. I can use the Blue Ram to do this, and Lance, you could use your soon-to-arrive Viper. I don't know much about this process- I've explained all I know. Mike White has explained the process to me, but I've never stepped through it myself- it sounds time-consuming (just what I need...). Any good title screen should have the program name, author (if known), archive date, and maybe a note about Ballybin and the Bally Alley website. As to the option of running automatically- I'm not sure I want to do that (and, besides, uh, HOW do I do that). This whole using the "tape" business is so new to me that "common" features of the BASIC system are over my head... When I archive next few programs I'll save them a couple of different ways (various title screens), post them all, and listen to feedback. Since Lance and Bob are the only people to give feedback so far, what they suggest will shape the archive process of the Astrocade- if you speak up, then you can help shape it too. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 06:57:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 13:57:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 86528 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 13:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 13:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.142) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 13:57:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 06:57:49 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:57:49 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Galactic War 2002' program archived Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 06:57:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 13:57:49.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D358770:01C224F5] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I'm sorry to report that this save has an error at line 560. The line reads here: 560 BC=0;NEXT N;&(21?? Can you verify if this is the same as your original, or if you can get a better load? >> Excellent! You found something wrong (that means your actually loading and PLAYING these programs- just like you said. Thank you!). The error has been verified; I get the same error when I load this game. I will have to load the 300 baud version again and see what I can do to fix the problem. One of the nice features about the 300-baud interface is that you actually see and can read the data on-screen as it is loaded from the tape. The 2000-baud interface doesn't do that, and until I learned about this feature, I didn't know I missed it. Whenever the Astrocade encounters bad data it places a question mark in the program. With the 2000 baud interface, you don't get to see these until the program is done loading (if it loads with bad data at all- which it CAN do); with the 300-baud interface, you can see the data errors as they occur and adjust tone and volume as you need. An error so far in the program might mean that the tape has an error, but I will try it again. Thanks for bringing this to my attention- this is EXACTLY the kind of feedback that is needed. >> This only seems to affect the game if/when you loose a ship. >> Oh, to that I can only say- then stop losing ships! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 06 07:21:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 14:21:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 33613 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 14:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 14:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 14:21:43 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020706142143.LRNK8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:21:43 -0400 To: Subject: Ballybin v1.1 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C224CE.8DFD8420" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C224CE.8DFD8420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By the way, ballybin is available on the ftp site! Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:58 AM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Galactic War 2002' program archived >> I'm sorry to report that this save has an error at line 560. The line reads here: 560 BC=0;NEXT N;&(21?? Can you verify if this is the same as your original, or if you can get a better load? >> Excellent! You found something wrong (that means your actually loading and PLAYING these programs- just like you said. Thank you!). The error has been verified; I get the same error when I load this game. I will have to load the 300 baud version again and see what I can do to fix the problem. One of the nice features about the 300-baud interface is that you actually see and can read the data on-screen as it is loaded from the tape. The 2000-baud interface doesn't do that, and until I learned about this feature, I didn't know I missed it. Whenever the Astrocade encounters bad data it places a question mark in the program. With the 2000 baud interface, you don't get to see these until the program is done loading (if it loads with bad data at all- which it CAN do); with the 300-baud interface, you can see the data errors as they occur and adjust tone and volume as you need. An error so far in the program might mean that the tape has an error, but I will try it again. Thanks for bringing this to my attention- this is EXACTLY the kind of feedback that is needed. >> This only seems to affect the game if/when you loose a ship. >> Oh, to that I can only say- then stop losing ships! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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By the=20 way, ballybin is available on the ftp site!
 
        =        =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8= :58=20 AM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:=20 [ballyalley] 'Galactic War 2002' program=20 archived

>>
I'm sorry to report that thi= s=20 save has an error at line 560.

The line reads here:

560=20 BC=3D0;NEXT N;&(21??

Can you verify if this is the same as you= r=20 original, or if you can get a
better=20 load?
>>

Excellent!  You found something wrong (that= =20 means your actually loading and
PLAYING these programs- just like you= =20 said.  Thank you!).  The error has
been verified; I get the= same=20 error when I load this game.  I will have to
load the 300 baud=20 version again and see what I can do to fix the problem.

One of the= nice=20 features about the 300-baud interface is that you actually
see and ca= n=20 read the data on-screen as it is loaded from the tape.  The
2000= -baud=20 interface doesn't do that, and until I learned about this feature,
I= =20 didn't know I missed it.  Whenever the Astrocade encounters bad data= it=20
places a question mark in the program.  With the 2000 baud inter= face,=20 you
don't get to see these until the program is done loading (if it l= oads=20 with
bad data at all- which it CAN do); with the 300-baud interface, = you=20 can see
the data errors as they occur and adjust tone and volume as y= ou=20 need.  An
error so far in the program might mean that the tape h= as an=20 error, but I
will try it again.

Thanks for bringing this to my= =20 attention- this is EXACTLY the kind of
feedback that is=20 needed.

>>
This only seems to affect the game if/when you= =20 loose a ship.
>>

Oh, to that I can only say- then stop lo= sing=20 ships!

Adam

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C224CE.8DFD8420-- From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 07:44:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 14:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 61097 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 14:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 14:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.65) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 14:44:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 07:44:15 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 14:44:15 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Galactic War 2002' fixed Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 07:44:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 14:44:15.0331 (UTC) FILETIME=[99AB0B30:01C224FB] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I fixed the error in Galactic War and uploaded it again. I even added a title screen just for Lance... (hows that for a start? We'll work on it). The line with the error (line 560) is the last line of the program. I'm not sure how the error occurred, but it was messed up on the initial load- which explains why I wasn't dying and the game was so easy. The game is just as slow, but now that I can DIE it's a little harder [grin]. The game is a good idea, it's just, well, not well suited for BASIC. I imagine if this had been programmed after most of the "secrets" of BASIC had been discovered, the game would be of a faster pace- and that's really all that keeps it from being fun. In a way, this game reminds me of a side-version of the 2600 game "Laser Blast" (but only a bit- it's NOT a rip-off of that game). Here is what line 560 should read: 560 BC=0: NEXT N;&(21)=0;&(20)=0;Q=1;GOTO145 The 300 baud version starts automatically because this line follows the program on the tape: :RETURN; RUN The 2000 baud version, despite the request of Lance, does not start automatically. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 08:22:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 15:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 7372 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 15:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 15:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.166) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 15:22:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:22:26 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:22:26 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: L.T. archived with errors Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 08:22:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 15:22:26.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF714200:01C22500] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I was able to archive the Little Terrestrial tape Adam uploaded. There were 5 loads on the tape, they were as follows: >> Bob, I tried the Wavemakers programs that you archived (that are on the FTP site), but they still do have a load error. Yes, they do load now (and run), but all the data is not coming off the tape correctly. When you play them, you will see small graphics errors. When an error occurs during a load, Astrobasic will display a question mark (after the load is complete). Check out the title screen, at the bottom of each archived title, in the lower-left corner, when the program is done loading a question mark appears. Some examples: L.T. - Nothing seems wrong with L.T. until you fall off the steps, then you see that his parachute graphic is garbled. When the screen is redrawn, the telephone at the top becomes garbled too. When the game ends, L.T.'s graphic becomes garbled too. When you restart, the telephone is still garbled, but L.T. looks okay again. Memory Lane - Seems okay, but it does get that question mark when the load is done. Whack-a-Mole - Okay until you restart a game, then the mole graphics at the top of the screen are garbled. Music Keyboard - I don't know how to use this program- but it does get the question mark too. Dig that chopsticks tune... I didn't know that so many freebies were on these tapes- I just figured it was the same program over and over again. It's also interesting that if you don't start Whack-a-Mole again, a Wavemakers ad appears- I felt like I was using the Internet! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 08:33:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 15:33:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 36827 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:33:43 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:33:43 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade Data Chip Heatsink Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 08:33:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 15:33:43.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[82BC0E40:01C22502] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Astrocade Data Chip Heatsink The Astrocade Data chip gets HOT (like you didn't know that!). For the past few months I've been using my Astrocade without a cover to deduce the potential of it overheating. While I'm typing, I can feel the heat coming off the Data Chip (I'm not kidding). It's the chip right above and below the keypad, and it's the one that always dies. The Astrocade that I'm currently using is from Astrovision, so the fixes that were introduced to help reduce the heat problems should be part of this motherboard. The Datachip has a metal bar attached to it (which was attached to the RF shielding to act as a heatsink- this had torn loose long before I had the console). The metal bar appears to be glued to the Data chip- how do I remove it without damaging it so that I can install a heat sink from Radio Shack. Any heat sink that I use will have to be small (not tall) because the keypad is so close to the chip. A tall heatsink will interfere and won't fit. Lance or Tony (or anyone), have you make this modification before- does it actually help- or is this just wishful thinking? My Astrocade isn't showing any systems, but if I lose another Astrocade to heat, I'm not planning to buy another to replace it (just to lose THAT one too, eventually). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 06 08:47:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 15:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 31632 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 15:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 15:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 15:47:23 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020706154722.HTIM3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:47:22 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:47:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C224DA.85714A60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C224DA.85714A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's odd, because I didn't get any conversion errors. Furthermore, I did a compare on both loads (1 and 2) of Little Terrestrial and they were identical. I would think that the chances of both having the exact same error are slim. Can you get the original to load without the question-mark? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 10:22 AM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors >> I was able to archive the Little Terrestrial tape Adam uploaded. There were 5 loads on the tape, they were as follows: >> Bob, I tried the Wavemakers programs that you archived (that are on the FTP site), but they still do have a load error. Yes, they do load now (and run), but all the data is not coming off the tape correctly. When you play them, you will see small graphics errors. When an error occurs during a load, Astrobasic will display a question mark (after the load is complete). Check out the title screen, at the bottom of each archived title, in the lower-left corner, when the program is done loading a question mark appears. Some examples: L.T. - Nothing seems wrong with L.T. until you fall off the steps, then you see that his parachute graphic is garbled. When the screen is redrawn, the telephone at the top becomes garbled too. When the game ends, L.T.'s graphic becomes garbled too. When you restart, the telephone is still garbled, but L.T. looks okay again. Memory Lane - Seems okay, but it does get that question mark when the load is done. Whack-a-Mole - Okay until you restart a game, then the mole graphics at the top of the screen are garbled. Music Keyboard - I don't know how to use this program- but it does get the question mark too. Dig that chopsticks tune... I didn't know that so many freebies were on these tapes- I just figured it was the same program over and over again. It's also interesting that if you don't start Whack-a-Mole again, a Wavemakers ad appears- I felt like I was using the Internet! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C224DA.85714A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's=20 odd, because I didn't get any conversion errors.  Furthermore, I did a= =20 compare on both loads (1 and 2) of Little Terrestrial and they were=20 identical.  I would think that the chances of both having the exact sa= me=20 error are slim.  Can you get the original to load without the=20 question-mark?
 
        =            =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 1= 0:22=20 AM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyalle= y]=20 L.T. archived with errors

>>
I was able = to=20 archive the Little Terrestrial tape Adam uploaded.  There were
5= =20 loads on the tape, they were as follows:
>>

Bob,

I= =20 tried the Wavemakers programs that you archived (that are on the FTP=20
site), but they still do have a load error.  Yes, they do load n= ow=20 (and
run), but all the data is not coming off the tape correctly.&nbs= p;=20 When you play
them, you will see small graphics errors.

When a= n=20 error occurs during a load, Astrobasic will display a question mark
(= after=20 the load is complete).  Check out the title screen, at the bottom of= =20
each archived title, in the lower-left corner, when the program is do= ne=20
loading a question mark appears.

Some examples:

L.T. -= =20 Nothing seems wrong with L.T. until you fall off the steps, then you
= see=20 that his parachute graphic is garbled.  When the screen is redrawn, = the=20
telephone at the top becomes garbled too.  When the game ends, L= .T.'s=20
graphic becomes garbled too.  When you restart, the telephone is= =20 still
garbled, but L.T. looks okay again.

Memory Lane - Seems = okay,=20 but it does get that question mark when the load
is=20 done.

Whack-a-Mole - Okay until you restart a game, then the mole= =20 graphics at the
top of the screen are garbled.

Music Keyboard = - I=20 don't know how to use this program- but it does get the
question mark= =20 too.  Dig that chopsticks tune...

I didn't know that so many= =20 freebies were on these tapes- I just figured it
was the same program = over=20 and over again.  It's also interesting that if you
don't start=20 Whack-a-Mole again, a Wavemakers ad appears- I felt like I was
using = the=20 Internet!

Adam

____________________________________________= _____________________
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C224DA.85714A60-- From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 06 10:00:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 17:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 76464 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 17:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 17:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 17:00:25 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020706170025.MIFB8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:00:25 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C224E4.B97C4DF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C224E4.B97C4DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found the problem! The game had an odd number of bytes, this caused my program to write the last two bytes of the load as if they were the header tone. I've fixed the problem and version 1.1a of ballybin is now on the ftp site. I've also re-archived the tape and put the new .wav files on the ftp, they all load without the "?"! Thanks for pointing this out Adam! With good feedback this program will get better and better! Bob -----Original Message----- From: Bob Colbert [mailto:rcolbert@c...] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 10:47 AM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors That's odd, because I didn't get any conversion errors. Furthermore, I did a compare on both loads (1 and 2) of Little Terrestrial and they were identical. I would think that the chances of both having the exact same error are slim. Can you get the original to load without the question-mark? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 10:22 AM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors >> I was able to archive the Little Terrestrial tape Adam uploaded. There were 5 loads on the tape, they were as follows: >> Bob, I tried the Wavemakers programs that you archived (that are on the FTP site), but they still do have a load error. Yes, they do load now (and run), but all the data is not coming off the tape correctly. When you play them, you will see small graphics errors. When an error occurs during a load, Astrobasic will display a question mark (after the load is complete). Check out the title screen, at the bottom of each archived title, in the lower-left corner, when the program is done loading a question mark appears. Some examples: L.T. - Nothing seems wrong with L.T. until you fall off the steps, then you see that his parachute graphic is garbled. When the screen is redrawn, the telephone at the top becomes garbled too. When the game ends, L.T.'s graphic becomes garbled too. When you restart, the telephone is still garbled, but L.T. looks okay again. Memory Lane - Seems okay, but it does get that question mark when the load is done. Whack-a-Mole - Okay until you restart a game, then the mole graphics at the top of the screen are garbled. Music Keyboard - I don't know how to use this program- but it does get the question mark too. Dig that chopsticks tune... I didn't know that so many freebies were on these tapes- I just figured it was the same program over and over again. It's also interesting that if you don't start Whack-a-Mole again, a Wavemakers ad appears- I felt like I was using the Internet! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C224E4.B97C4DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 found the problem!  The game had an odd number of bytes, this caused m= y=20 program to write the last two bytes of the load as if they were the header= =20 tone.  I've fixed the problem and version 1.1a of ballybin is now on t= he=20 ftp site.  I've also re-archived the tape and put the new .wav files o= n the=20 ftp, they all load without the "?"!  Thanks for pointing this out=20 Adam!  With good feedback this program will get better and=20 better!
 
        =        =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Colbert=20 [mailto:rcolbert@c...]
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 10:47=20 AM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:=20 [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors

That's odd, because I didn't get any conversion errors. =20 Furthermore, I did a compare on both loads (1 and 2) of Little Terrestria= l and=20 they were identical.  I would think that the chances of both having = the=20 exact same error are slim.  Can you get the original to load without= the=20 question-mark?
 
       &nbs= p;           =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002= =20 10:22 AM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors

>>=
I=20 was able to archive the Little Terrestrial tape Adam uploaded.  Th= ere=20 were
5 loads on the tape, they were as=20 follows:
>>

Bob,

I tried the Wavemakers programs= that=20 you archived (that are on the FTP
site), but they still do have a l= oad=20 error.  Yes, they do load now (and
run), but all the data is n= ot=20 coming off the tape correctly.  When you play
them, you will s= ee=20 small graphics errors.

When an error occurs during a load, Astro= basic=20 will display a question mark
(after the load is complete).  Ch= eck=20 out the title screen, at the bottom of
each archived title, in the= =20 lower-left corner, when the program is done
loading a question mark= =20 appears.

Some examples:

L.T. - Nothing seems wrong with L= .T.=20 until you fall off the steps, then you
see that his parachute graph= ic is=20 garbled.  When the screen is redrawn, the
telephone at the top= =20 becomes garbled too.  When the game ends, L.T.'s
graphic becom= es=20 garbled too.  When you restart, the telephone is still
garbled= , but=20 L.T. looks okay again.

Memory Lane - Seems okay, but it does get= that=20 question mark when the load
is done.

Whack-a-Mole - Okay unt= il=20 you restart a game, then the mole graphics at the
top of the screen= are=20 garbled.

Music Keyboard - I don't know how to use this program- = but=20 it does get the
question mark too.  Dig that chopsticks=20 tune...

I didn't know that so many freebies were on these tapes-= I=20 just figured it
was the same program over and over again.  It'= s=20 also interesting that if you
don't start Whack-a-Mole again, a=20 Wavemakers ad appears- I felt like I was
using the=20 Internet!

Adam

__________________________________________= _______________________
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C224E4.B97C4DF0-- From douglas_t_lee@p... Sat Jul 06 10:10:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 17:10:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 43999 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 17:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 17:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 17:10:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2002 17:10:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:10:33 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Archived Programs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Adam, First of all, thank you for not giving up on us. Secondly, thanks for the archived programs and the explanations of how to use them. I have not had a lot of time to devote to my favorite toy for several years and just recently disassembled my old computer desk and boxed up several Astrocade bits and pieces just about a week before you posted your notices that you had a Viper and tapes to be sold. Even though I still had one machine hooked up to my television (with Ward's exceptional multicart in it), I figured the future was dim for any further Astrocade adventures. I honestly did not fully understand some of the message threads about archiving and using ballybin until this past week when you released the fireworks program. In the years since Astro Basic came out, my two Panasonice cassette recorders have aged poorly and are not the best way to store and retrieve programs anymore. When I read the messages this week, I initially was thinking about what a hassle it would be to bring the Astrocade over to my computer to use the wav files, but then it dawned on me that I have an old laptop that really is too slow for current software but can certainly play wav files. I unpacked my basic cartridge, tried it and found that it works great!!! You have now resurrected two old computers in my household. Thanks for your continued efforts and your detailed explanations. Doug From douglas_t_lee@p... Sat Jul 06 10:16:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 17:16:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18323 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 17:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 17:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 17:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2002 17:16:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:16:13 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: L.T. archived with errors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 49 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Bob, Thanks for your hard work on this. Doug From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 10:35:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 17:35:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 49344 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 17:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 17:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.131) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 17:35:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:35:47 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:35:46 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:35:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 17:35:47.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[90275BA0:01C22513] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> That's odd, because I didn't get any conversion errors. Furthermore, I did a compare on both loads (1 and 2) of Little Terrestrial and they were identical. I would think that the chances of both having the exact same error are slim. >> Agreed >> Can you get the original to load without the question-mark? >> Yes, I am able to get the wav file that I uploaded to your ftp site to load WITHOUT the question mark. HOWEVER, I am still getting the graphical glitches. After spending WAY too much time trying again and again to get the program to load without glitches from the WAV I sent to you, I went back to the drawing board and tried loading it from the tape again. After fussing with the volume, I was able to get a good load with no question mark and no graphic glitches from the first L.T. on the tape. I thought if I saved the tape at this volume to my computer, then I could load it with no problems with the new wav file. No luck. I am able to load without a question mark from the wav file, but I still get the graphic glitches. I have uploaded to the FTP site the second wav file, but this time recorded at the volume that allowed me to load without graphic glitches and with no load error (question mark). This file is called 'lt-try2.zip' Maybe you will have better luck with it- as I no matter what volume I chose to load the program with, I still got graphic errors. If even this doesn't work, then I'll just send you the original tape on Monday. If I can load it from the tape (on the second try), then I bet you can too. Maybe if you have the tape to work with you can figure-out why there is trouble with the wav file. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 10:38:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 17:38:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 63713 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 17:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 17:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.228) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 17:38:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:38:24 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:38:23 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] L.T. archived with errors Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:38:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 17:38:24.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED9D23A0:01C22513] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I found the problem! The game had an odd number of bytes, this caused my program to write the last two bytes of the load as if they were the header tone. I've fixed the problem and version 1.1a of ballybin is now on the ftp site. I've also re-archived the tape and put the new .wav files on the ftp, they all load without the "?"! Thanks for pointing this out Adam! With good feedback this program will get better and better! >> Oops! I wish I had read this before I sent the last email. Well, it seems you fix things faster than I can find errors! Wow! Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 11:17:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 18:17:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 45885 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 18:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 18:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.147) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 18:17:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:17:53 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 18:17:53 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Newest L.T. still has graphic glitches Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:17:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 18:17:53.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[71CF5B20:01C22519] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I just tried the newest version of L.T. that Bob created with Ballybin 1.1a. It, and all the newest archives, load fine (no question mark appears), but the graphic error persists in two programs (L.T. and Whack-A-Mole). I tried Ballybin version 1.1a on the newest L.T. wav that I uploaded to the FTP site, and the graphic error is still present with the created wav files. Bob, If this problem persists, I can you email contact information for Mike Peace (the person who programmed the Wavemaker games). Maybe he can point out what he did that was strange. The tapes were made so that they could not be loaded and than saved- maybe some other forms of copy protection were included too? Mike did release all the Wavemaker tapes into the public domain last summer, so we have no problems there. Bob, if you want any additional info, send me a personal email. Am I driving you mad yet, or is this information helpful? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 11:38:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 18:38:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 64347 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 18:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 18:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 18:38:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:38:43 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 18:38:43 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Cartridge Swapping Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:38:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 18:38:43.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B16FB60:01C2251C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 'Cartridge Swapping' This three-part article (included here together) from "The Arcadian" instructs how to swap the Bally BASIC and Astrobasic cartridges while the machine is still on without losing the program in memory. It's VERY useful for tape archive purposes. The routine that is discussed is EASY to use, but a discussion of how it works (with ML source) is probably overkill for most of us (hey, but it's better to have more than less- wouldn't you say?). The full article can be downloaded from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Arcadian%20Articles/ I have been using this technique to load programs in with the 300-baud tape interface, and then swap cartridges so that I can dump the program with the 2000-baud interface. Then I use Bob's Ballybin program to clean-up the finished 2000 baud wav file. After the file has been run through Ballybin and zipped, it is only about 5K. Amazing! Here is the Cartidge Swapping article in full (Lance, you gotta try this out- it VERY cool!): The Ibach Cartridge Conversion and Cartridge Swapping - 2 & 3 Three articles by Bob Fabris, program by Dave Ibach Version 1.0 - July 6, 2002 Note: These articles first appeared in volume four of the Bally Astrocade newsletter "The Arcadian." Article one is on Page 46 (March 5, 1982). The corrections from page 55 (April 9, 1982) have been merged into the article. The second article, an explanation of the first, appears on page 59 (April 9, 1982). Finally, part 3 is on page 76. The Ibach Cartridge Conversion I received a most interesting program from Dave Ibach, one that I have used a couple of times in the preparation of this issue. With this scheme, you will be able to load a program into the computer with one of the BASIC cartridges, and then swap cartridges. This program is placed into the RAM memory space by "POKING," and then a timing loop is generated to give you a chance to swap cartridges. And it works both ways. Let's assume that you are in a position I find myself in during production of this paper - we have no known way to use a printer with the AstroBasic cartridge, and a program comes in taped in 'AB.' What to do? Well, now I have no problem. First I load the program into the Arcade using AstroBASIC. Second, after RUNning it to see that it operates, I will CLEAR the screen and ask the computer two questions: (always pressing 'go') PRINT %(20000) The computer will come back with a number, usually a five digit negative number, for example -24787. Call this value 'a.' PRINT %(-24576) Again, the computer will respond with a number, this time a very small number. For example, 5. Call this number 'b.' Write both these numbers down. Now I will write a short program which the computer will perform instantly (because there are no line numbers) FOR N = 19900 TO 19915 STEP 2;CY=40; INPUT %(N); NEXT N Now the computer will move the cursor to the upper-left of the screen and write the symbol %(N). You are to enter the following list of numbers, pressing (go) after each one: 1779 8480 0 -13533 10364 4347 -15370 9313 This will look a little jumbled as new material is written on top of old. One last command- but get your Bally Basic cartridge ready, because when you press 'go' after this one, you have about 20 seconds to make the shift: CALL 19900 When time is up, you will see BALLY BASIC appear, then about a line and a half of letters. Press HALT, and enter two commands: %(-24576) = value 'b' from above (go) %(20050) = value 'a' from above (go) And I can now run the program in Bally BASIC and use the *PRINT command. If you were converting in the other direction, all steps except these four are the same: 1. The first PRINT statement is for location 20050 2. The last number of group of eight entered is 9475 3. Use the 'down arrow' instead of HALT 4. The last % statement is to location 20000 In the next issue we'll give you some explanation of all this, and a method to include this scheme into a program. Many thanks to Dave Ibach!! Cartridge Swapping - 2 Continuing Dave Ibach's scheme with some explanation - o The routine is "relocatable," meaning that if you already have something residing in location 19900, you can change the address. o Once the routine has been entered, do not allow scrolling, or it will be destroyed. o For a shorter delay loop (about 10 sec.) change 8480 to 8464. o Only the program and other occupants of the screen (string variables) are preserved. Contents of the variables (A, B, etc., and RM, FC, etc., are unpredictable. SZ will be correct, however. o If you want to erase the routine after the swap, POKE in values of zero, as: FOR N=19900 to 19915; %(N)=0; NEXT N This is the machine language routine, with comments: F3 DI ; Disable interrupts 06 20 LD B,32 ; Time wasting loop 21 00 00 LD HL,0 23 INC HL CB 7C BIT 7,H 28 FB JR Z,-5 10 F6 DJNZ -10 C3 03 25 JP 2503H ; Branch to new cartridge or C3 61 24 JP 2461H ; Branch to old cartridge Cartridge Swapping - 3 [This is the] final chapter in the ongoing saga as continued from page 59. This segment describes Dave Ibach's suggestions regarding storing a subroutine inside a program to automatically allow for conversion from new Astrobasic to the older BallyBasic. Dave suggests: - Have your program in place with the new basic in the cartridge slot. - Make the first statement of your basic program look something like this: 1 CY=40;PRINT "SWAP NOW";CALL19900 This is so that after loading the program with the new basic, you can simply RUN and automatically be instructed to swap and automatically call the routine. The last thing the routine does is to put a period [.] at %(-24574) so that this statement becomes a remark after the swap and you can RUN without executing it again. - Enter the routine like this: FOR N=19000 to 19972 STEP 2;CY=40;INPUT %(N);NEXT N and respond to prompts with the numbers below (read DOWN columns). The routine is relocatable, so put it elsewhere if necessary. - :PRINT to record the routine along with your program. - Execute as follows: Load with new basic RUN Swap with old basic RUN And here is the routine: 1779 -4618 9072 21485 24398 1870 8451 8464 8283 -388 20050 20130 1536 -24574 0 -20658 8272 255 10 32002 11838 -13533 3283 12793 31509 8221 1696 -29245 10364 8519 20430 22599 26207 20070 36 4347 20000 END OF ARTICLE _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Sat Jul 06 11:45:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 18:45:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 72545 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 18:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 18:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 18:45:04 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706184507.ILDH19149.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3D273A3B.5050206@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 14:43:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Lance wrote: > > > George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach > > > I wish that there were a way to share this... > > Um..er... Record it to a wave file?!?! ;) > > > Yea, but it's 30 minutes long... without being cleaned up, I figure that > this would be about a 150MB zip file. I'm basing this estimate on the two > minute L.T. file that was 10MB when compressed. I'm not even going to > attempt making a wav file of these- not unless someone can figure something > out... > > Not to rub salt into open wounds, but not having the George Moses tapes > available is pretty sad (for you guys, he, he) because they are (without > doubt) some of the most interesting tapes in the Astrocade's tape library. > They don't do ANYTHING graphical (they just display the title of the music > playing), but there just isn't anything else like them on the Astrocade- or > any other classic platform. Yes, there are tunes on all the classic > consoles (and if you count the C64 then the SID chip really lays waste to > all this Astrocade music)- BUT the Astrocade has 1.8K available in BASIC... > these tapes are REALLY something. The process by which the music is played > is just... NEAT. > > Adam > Ah.. I ment the AUDIO from the Bally, From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 12:02:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 19:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 10996 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 19:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 19:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.179) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 19:02:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:02:03 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 19:02:02 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:02:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 19:02:03.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D2E0D10:01C2251F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Doug wrote: >> First of all, thank you for not giving up on us. >> The tape project isn't back on- if that's what you mean. In order for that too happen there needs to be a lot more volunteers. A can archive some myself, but there is just SO many programs. However, with Ballybin working so well, maybe some more people will come forward and devote TIME to tape archiving. >> Secondly, thanks for the archived programs and the explanations of how to use them. >> I'm having a good time putting Ballybin to use. It's a fun program to use after having spent so much time trying (without success) to load and save programs. However, just putting archived tape programs "out there" isn't enough; users need to know how to use them. That's why I've been making sure to document how to load the programs I've archived. >> Even though I still had one machine hooked up to my television (with Ward's exceptional multicart in it), I figured the future was dim for any further Astrocade adventures. >> Ward's multicart is quite nice. You probably noticed that I archived a few of the programs that are on it (I can't do them all- as some of the programs require users to have extra RAM). Check out the 'Cartridge Swapping/Conversion" article if you are looking for Astrocade Adventure (that sounds like the name of magazine or something). >> I honestly did not fully understand some of the message threads about archiving and using ballybin until this past week when you released the fireworks program. >> What was the key- what made it click for you? Was it actually being able to load a program? >> In the years since Astro Basic came out, my two Panasonice cassette recorders have aged poorly and are not the best way to store and retrieve programs anymore. >> I don't think that the tape recorders were EVER the "best way" to save programs. People always had trouble with both interfaces (more so with the 2000-baud interface)- Ballybin offers a GREAT alternative. It allows us to record out programs to digital media. Really, now that the programs can be loaded okay, there is nothing stopping anyone from archiving the PD programs to a CD (well, except "free" time). >> I have an old laptop that really is too slow for current software but can certainly play wav files. I unpacked my basic cartridge, tried it and found that it works great!!! >> You made a discovery similar to one that I made with my friend when we were using Bob's program Makewav on a NON-PC computer. We used a bog standard Amiga 2000 (circa 1987) with a couple megs of memory to convert binary files and use them with my Supercharger on my Atari 2600. Back then I had not yet given up on the Amiga, but most people had- using the Amiga with a plain 68000 to play wav files was a great use for the machine. >> You have now resurrected two old computers in my household. >> I can't accept credit for doing that; Bob made the program. I'm just like you: a user. >> Thanks for your continued efforts and your detailed explanations. >> I CAN take credit for my (over?) detailed explanations- so thank you. I make instructions and postings because just having the software available does not put it to use. I include myself among the people that need a tutorial on how to use software- so I write what I want to read. I'm glad it has helped you. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 12:10:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 19:10:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 42907 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:10:56 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 19:10:56 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:10:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 19:10:56.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB409860:01C22520] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Ah.. I ment the AUDIO from the Bally, >> Oh. That makes sense, but it would make a pretty long file too. The music would be VERY out of place as an MP3 file (or ANY audio only file). The presentation of the music is what makes it special. Like I said, even the C64's SID chip sort of makes a mockery of the Astrocade's music- and yet, it's neat to watch the screen fill with data, and then listen to it play. That said, how would I record it anyway? The Bally only has RF out- how do I plug it into my stereo? I suppose I could always record the music from the headphone jack of my TV- but I think it would sound BAD. To me, this would be like me recording the sound from a fun game of Dog Patch or The Incedible Wizard. It would be missing something- ya know whatta mean? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 13:12:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 20:12:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 3890 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 20:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 20:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 20:12:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:12:42 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 20:12:42 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Dogpatch' archived (Requires RAM expansion) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:12:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 20:12:42.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BF0F130:01C22529] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 'Dogpatch' archived (Requires RAM expansion) I used Ballybin 1.1a to archive another Astrocade program- but this one is a 2K ROM cartidge! A full explanation about the program is below. If you have a RAM expansion device (i.e. the Blue Ram), load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'dogpatch.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ This pretty exciting stuff (archiving a cartridge to a wav file), but few people will be able to load this game. I need some people with RAM expansion devices to test this out. Lance, when you receive your Viper, please try to load this program. Rob, you have a Blue Ram- could you try to load this program too? I have had no trouble with it- and I expect that anyone with a RAM expansion device will be able to use it just fine (that makes three of us...). Adam Astrocade Cartidge Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Program Name: Dogpatch Filename: dogpatch.wav Released by: Bally Format: Converted to 2000 baud Archived with: Ballybin 1.1a by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 6, 2002 Description ----------- This is a 2K machine language program for use with an Astrocade with expanded RAM (Viper, Blue Ram, or 64K RAM board). The program, originally released on cartridge, has been saved in a 2000-baud Astrobasic loadable version using the Blue Ram Utility. Loading Instructions -------------------- This game CANNOT be play without extra memory- if your Astrocade doesn't have this extra hardware, then this procedure will NOT work. No amount of fiddling around will make it work. This program is an archive of cartridge ROM. These instructions are for the Blue Ram expansion device- other RAM expansion will work in a similar manner. Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT %(24576) Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, throw the MODE switch on the Blue Ram unit to "ROM" and then the RANGE switch to "2K-CASS" and then press reset. Your Astrocade will act exactly like you have the Dog Patch cartridge inserted into the console. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 06 13:20:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 20:20:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 14292 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 20:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 20:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 20:20:05 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020706202005.NDMZ8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:20:05 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Newest L.T. still has graphic glitches Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C22500.9EAFE330" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C22500.9EAFE330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I've been playing L.T. for about 15 minutes and have not seen the graphics error you describe. When I fall off of the steps (believe me, I did it a lot) the parachute opens, I fall to the ground, no problems with the graphics. When the screen redraws, the phone looks fine. I made it to the third level and saw no problems. Are the problems you see the same as the original problems you described? Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 1:18 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] Newest L.T. still has graphic glitches I just tried the newest version of L.T. that Bob created with Ballybin 1.1a. It, and all the newest archives, load fine (no question mark appears), but the graphic error persists in two programs (L.T. and Whack-A-Mole). I tried Ballybin version 1.1a on the newest L.T. wav that I uploaded to the FTP site, and the graphic error is still present with the created wav files. Bob, If this problem persists, I can you email contact information for Mike Peace (the person who programmed the Wavemaker games). Maybe he can point out what he did that was strange. The tapes were made so that they could not be loaded and than saved- maybe some other forms of copy protection were included too? Mike did release all the Wavemaker tapes into the public domain last summer, so we have no problems there. Bob, if you want any additional info, send me a personal email. Am I driving you mad yet, or is this information helpful? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Hi,
    I've been playing L.T. for about 15 minutes and ha= ve not=20 seen the graphics error you describe.  When I fall off of the steps=20 (believe me, I did it a lot) the parachute opens, I fall to the ground, no= =20 problems with the graphics.  When the screen redraws, the phone looks= =20 fine.  I made it to the third level and saw no problems.  Are the= =20 problems you see the same as the original problems you=20 described?
 
        =        =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 1= :18=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyalle= y]=20 Newest L.T. still has graphic glitches

I just tri= ed=20 the newest version of L.T. that Bob created with Ballybin 1.1a.
 = ; It,=20 and all the newest archives, load fine (no question mark appears), but the=20 graphic error persists in two programs (L.T. and Whack-A-Mole).

I = tried=20 Ballybin version 1.1a on the newest L.T. wav that I uploaded to the
F= TP=20 site, and the graphic error is still present with the created wav=20 files.

Bob, If this problem persists, I can you email contact=20 information for Mike
Peace (the person who programmed the Wavemaker=20 games).  Maybe he can point
out what he did that was strange.&nb= sp;=20 The tapes were made so that they could
not be loaded and than saved- = maybe=20 some other forms of copy protection were
included too?  Mike did= =20 release all the Wavemaker tapes into the public
domain last summer, s= o we=20 have no problems there.

Bob, if you want any additional info, send= me a=20 personal email.

Am I driving you mad yet, or is this information=20 helpful?

Adam

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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C22500.9EAFE330-- From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 13:28:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 20:28:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 71947 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 20:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 20:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.122) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 20:28:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:28:27 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 20:28:27 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Ballybin and Astrocade RAM Expansion Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:28:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 20:28:27.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF4D37D0:01C2252B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Ballybin and Astrocade RAM Expansion I have archived a 2K Astrocade cartridge ("Dogpatch") using Ballybin 1.1a and loaded it with success on my 16K Blue Ram via the 2000-baud Astrobasic interface. This is GREAT news. It means that Bob made Ballybin flexible; I'm not surprised to find that out- he said all along that he wanted to incorporate into Ballybin what he learned since he first made Makewav. Well, he's done it. Bob, can you answer a question for me: will there soon be a way to take a plain binary file and convert it into a wav file? I asked you this before, but the software was not yet available. Any progress in this direction? If I sent you the binary file for "Dogpatch," would you be able to compare it with the binary file that is created with Ballybin (from the "Dogpatch" wav)? Is the Ballybin binary format still flexible- COULD Ballybin support a format that would include binary images loaded into a RAM expansion device? Am I making any sense here? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 13:35:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 20:35:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 17830 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 20:35:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:24 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 20:35:24 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Newest L.T. still has graphic glitches Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 13:35:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 20:35:24.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7D8B0A0:01C2252C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I've been playing L.T. for about 15 minutes and have not seen the graphics error you describe. >> Yea, it takes NO time at all to get to the graphic errors for me. >> When I fall off of the steps (believe me, I did it a lot) the parachute opens, I fall to the ground, no problems with the graphics. >> Yup, I see the problems first thing. I've tried varying the load in every way that I can, yet I still get them (though, like I said, I DID get a good load from the tape). I have tried three differet Astrobasic carts, and I still get the same results. >> When the screen redraws, the phone looks fine. I made it to the third level and saw no problems. Are the problems you see the same as the original problems you described? >> Yes, they are the same. Until we get a couple of other people to try L.T. and Whack-A-Mole (Lance? Doug?), I say that we give it a rest for a while. Maybe I'm having some other hardware issues with my Astrocade. Thanks for looking into it (and thanks for EVERYTHING!). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 06 14:00:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 21:00:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 5999 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 21:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 21:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao08.cox.net) (68.1.17.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 21:00:52 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020706210050.OWZF4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:00:50 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Ballybin and Astrocade RAM Expansion Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C22506.50FF3810" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C22506.50FF3810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Yes, soon there will be. Actually ballybin does it sort of internally, but there is no code yet to read the binary file in. I'll work on that next! Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3:28 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] Ballybin and Astrocade RAM Expansion Ballybin and Astrocade RAM Expansion I have archived a 2K Astrocade cartridge ("Dogpatch") using Ballybin 1.1a and loaded it with success on my 16K Blue Ram via the 2000-baud Astrobasic interface. This is GREAT news. It means that Bob made Ballybin flexible; I'm not surprised to find that out- he said all along that he wanted to incorporate into Ballybin what he learned since he first made Makewav. Well, he's done it. Bob, can you answer a question for me: will there soon be a way to take a plain binary file and convert it into a wav file? I asked you this before, but the software was not yet available. Any progress in this direction? If I sent you the binary file for "Dogpatch," would you be able to compare it with the binary file that is created with Ballybin (from the "Dogpatch" wav)? Is the Ballybin binary format still flexible- COULD Ballybin support a format that would include binary images loaded into a RAM expansion device? Am I making any sense here? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C22506.50FF3810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
    Yes, soon there will be.  Actually ballybin d= oes it=20 sort of internally, but there is no code yet to read the binary file in.&nb= sp;=20 I'll work on that next!
 
        =    =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3= :28=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyalle= y]=20 Ballybin and Astrocade RAM Expansion

Ballybin and= =20 Astrocade RAM Expansion

I have archived a 2K Astrocade cartridge=20 ("Dogpatch") using Ballybin 1.1a
and loaded it with success on my 16K= Blue=20 Ram via the 2000-baud Astrobasic
interface.  This is GREAT=20 news.  It means that Bob made Ballybin flexible;
I'm not surpris= ed to=20 find that out- he said all along that he wanted to
incorporate into=20 Ballybin what he learned since he first made Makewav. 
Well, he'= s=20 done it.

Bob, can you answer a question for me: will there soon be= a=20 way to take a
plain binary file and convert it into a wav file? = I=20 asked you this before,
but the software was not yet available.  = Any=20 progress in this direction?  If
I sent you the binary file for=20 "Dogpatch," would you be able to compare it
with the binary file that= is=20 created with Ballybin (from the "Dogpatch"
wav)?  Is the Ballybi= n=20 binary format still flexible- COULD Ballybin support
a format that wo= uld=20 include binary images loaded into a RAM expansion
device?

Am I= =20 making any sense=20 here?

Adam

________________________________________________= _________________
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C22506.50FF3810-- From komb@s... Sat Jul 06 14:23:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 21:23:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 41379 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 21:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 21:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 21:23:48 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706212356.LVHH20747.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:23:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3D275F72.2000204@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:21:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] George Moses, 300-baud, and Bach References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Ah.. I ment the AUDIO from the Bally, > > > Oh. That makes sense, but it would make a pretty long file too. The music > would be VERY out of place as an MP3 file (or ANY audio only file). The > presentation of the music is what makes it special. Like I said, even the > C64's SID chip sort of makes a mockery of the Astrocade's music- and yet, > it's neat to watch the screen fill with data, and then listen to it play. > > That said, how would I record it anyway? The Bally only has RF out- how do > I plug it into my stereo? I suppose I could always record the music from > the headphone jack of my TV- but I think it would sound BAD. > > To me, this would be like me recording the sound from a fun game of Dog > Patch or The Incedible Wizard. It would be missing something- ya know > whatta mean? > > Adam > First you have to realize that you are talking to the guy who has .wav files for the sound of Galaxian and 'Muncher' on his web site. I recorded those by hooking the Bally to a vcr, and taking the Audio jacks through an rca->mini jack cable to my computer line in. Your tv method might work though. If you're worried about the size, you could record it in 8bit mono 11k(mode not size). Shoulden't loose too much in quality... Lance From komb@s... Sat Jul 06 14:37:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 21:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 46465 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 21:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 21:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.184) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 21:37:01 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706213659.LTWM8915.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:36:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3D27628B.6050802@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:35:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Newest L.T. still has graphic glitches References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > >I've been playing L.T. for about 15 minutes and have not seen the > >graphics error you describe. > > > Yea, it takes NO time at all to get to the graphic errors for me. > > I've also had No problems with the graphics, and haven't dloaded the updates yet. Didn't know the '?' was an error. :o All the progs are working fine here, used ballybin 1.1 to split the progs up, as searching was a pain. These all worked fine. Will try running chicken through it. Lance From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 15:02:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 22:02:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 34567 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 22:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 22:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 22:02:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:02:43 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 22:02:42 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade RAM test? Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:02:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 22:02:43.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA516980:01C22538] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Does anyone know of a RAM tester for the Astrocade (a type-in)? I want to test the 4K that is onbaord. It would just make me feel better (what, with me getting graphic glitches that no one else is getting). If one isn't available, what's the process to test RAM? Write and read zeros and ones in each memory location. What else? Maybe I can write something up in BASIC- now that I can be sure I can save my work! Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 15:06:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 22:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15200 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 22:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 22:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 22:06:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:06:56 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 22:06:56 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Ballybin and Astrocade RAM Expansion Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:06:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 22:06:56.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[718D6290:01C22539] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Yes, soon there will be. Actually ballybin does it sort of internally, but there is no code yet to read the binary file in. I'll work on that next! >> That does seem like the next logical step. I look forward to trying some of the programs I've written that run from the cartridge area in my Blue Ram (loaded there via the Astrobasic interface, Ballybin and the to-be-written utility). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From fmillera@p... Sat Jul 06 15:17:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 22:17:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 77283 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 22:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 22:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.240) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 22:17:20 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.241.7]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYU00EJ4LWT24@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:17:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Data Chip Heatsink In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020706151556.00a89f18@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 08:33 AM 7/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Astrocade Data Chip Heatsink > >The Astrocade Data chip gets HOT (like you didn't know that!). For the past >few months I've been using my Astrocade without a cover to deduce the >potential of it overheating. While I'm typing, I can feel the heat coming >off the Data Chip (I'm not kidding). It's the chip right above and below >the keypad, and it's the one that always dies. > >The Astrocade that I'm currently using is from Astrovision, so the fixes >that were introduced to help reduce the heat problems should be part of this >motherboard. The Datachip has a metal bar attached to it (which was >attached to the RF shielding to act as a heatsink- this had torn loose long >before I had the console). The metal bar appears to be glued to the Data >chip- how do I remove it without damaging it so that I can install a heat >sink from Radio Shack. > >Any heat sink that I use will have to be small (not tall) because the keypad >is so close to the chip. A tall heatsink will interfere and won't fit. > >Lance or Tony (or anyone), have you make this modification before- does it >actually help- or is this just wishful thinking? My Astrocade isn't showing >any systems, but if I lose another Astrocade to heat, I'm not planning to >buy another to replace it (just to lose THAT one too, eventually). Adam; It is probably epoxied on. You might want to attach the R.S. heatsink to it, and get one of those small pentium cooling fans to blow on it! Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fmillera@p... Sat Jul 06 15:28:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 22:28:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 55768 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.241.7]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYU001IXMFK14@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:28:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade RAM test? In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020706152702.00a93fe0@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1291276==_.ALT" From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_1291276==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:02 PM 7/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know of a RAM tester for the Astrocade (a type-in)? I want to >test the 4K that is onbaord. It would just make me feel better (what, with >me getting graphic glitches that no one else is getting). If one isn't >available, what's the process to test RAM? Write and read zeros and ones in >each memory location. What else? Maybe I can write something up in BASIC- >now that I can be sure I can save my work! Adam; Most early arcade games tested RAM by writing 0x55, 0xAA, 0x00, and 0xFF to it followed by reading the contents back after each write. Another way to check is to write a walking 1s pattern, or write the address to the address. Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support >/worldwide.aspx > > >Yahoo! Groups >Sponsor1705006497:HM/A=1142329/R=0/*http://promo.yahoo.com/debtscape/> > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_1291276==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:02 PM 7/6/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Does anyone know of a RAM tester for the Astrocade (a type-in)?  I want to
test the 4K that is onbaord.  It would just make me feel better (what, with
me getting graphic glitches that no one else is getting).  If one isn't
available, what's the process to test RAM?  Write and read zeros and ones in
each memory location.  What else?  Maybe I can write something up in BASIC-
now that I can be sure I can save my work!

Adam;

Most early arcade games tested RAM by writing 0x55, 0xAA, 0x00, and 0xFF to it followed by reading the contents back after each write.  Another way to check is to write a walking 1s pattern, or write the address to the address.

Cheers,

Tony Miller

Adam

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--=====================_1291276==_.ALT-- From lasrtt@g... Sat Jul 06 15:47:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 22:47:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 68989 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 22:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 22:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 22:47:12 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYUNAM02.X24 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:47:10 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.124.88]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYUNAJ03.83I for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:47:07 -0800 Message-ID: <007601c2253e$5986c600$5933fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:42:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C224FB.4A927A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C224FB.4A927A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam: Wow busy busy busy. I would be happy to work on the tape project, just = tell me what to do and I'll try to do it. I don't know how much help I coul= d be but I will try. My old tape recorder palyer died so I can't try any of= your archived programs until I can get a new (and better) one. Please instruct me on the archiveing of programs and I'll do what ever = I can. Rick.....=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Doug wrote: >> First of all, thank you for not giving up on us. >> The tape project isn't back on- if that's what you mean. In order for th= at=20 too happen there needs to be a lot more volunteers. A can archive some=20 myself, but there is just SO many programs. However, with Ballybin worki= ng=20 so well, maybe some more people will come forward and devote TIME to tape= =20 archiving. >> Secondly, thanks for the archived programs and the explanations of how to use them. >> I'm having a good time putting Ballybin to use. It's a fun program to us= e=20 after having spent so much time trying (without success) to load and save= =20 programs. However, just putting archived tape programs "out there" isn't= =20 enough; users need to know how to use them. That's why I've been making= =20 sure to document how to load the programs I've archived. >> Even though I still had one machine hooked up to my television (with Ward's exceptional multicart in it), I figured the future was dim for any= =20 further Astrocade adventures. >> Ward's multicart is quite nice. You probably noticed that I archived a f= ew=20 of the programs that are on it (I can't do them all- as some of the progr= ams=20 require users to have extra RAM). Check out the 'Cartridge=20 Swapping/Conversion" article if you are looking for Astrocade Adventure=20 (that sounds like the name of magazine or something). >> I honestly did not fully understand some of the message threads about=20 archiving and using ballybin until this past week when you released the=20 fireworks program. >> What was the key- what made it click for you? Was it actually being able= to=20 load a program? >> In the years since Astro Basic came out, my two Panasonice cassette=20 recorders have aged poorly and are not the best way to store and retrieve= =20 programs anymore. >> I don't think that the tape recorders were EVER the "best way" to save=20 programs. People always had trouble with both interfaces (more so with t= he=20 2000-baud interface)- Ballybin offers a GREAT alternative. It allows us = to=20 record out programs to digital media. Really, now that the programs can = be=20 loaded okay, there is nothing stopping anyone from archiving the PD progr= ams=20 to a CD (well, except "free" time). >> I have an old laptop that really is too slow for current software but can= =20 certainly play wav files. I unpacked my basic cartridge, tried it and fo= und=20 that it works great!!! >> You made a discovery similar to one that I made with my friend when we we= re=20 using Bob's program Makewav on a NON-PC computer. We used a bog standard= =20 Amiga 2000 (circa 1987) with a couple megs of memory to convert binary fi= les=20 and use them with my Supercharger on my Atari 2600. Back then I had not = yet=20 given up on the Amiga, but most people had- using the Amiga with a plain= =20 68000 to play wav files was a great use for the machine. >> You have now resurrected two old computers in my household. >> I can't accept credit for doing that; Bob made the program. I'm just lik= e=20 you: a user. >> Thanks for your continued efforts and your detailed explanations. >> I CAN take credit for my (over?) detailed explanations- so thank you. I= =20 make instructions and postings because just having the software available= =20 does not put it to use. I include myself among the people that need a=20 tutorial on how to use software- so I write what I want to read. I'm gla= d=20 it has helped you. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C224FB.4A927A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Adam:
    Wow busy busy busy. I w= ould be=20 happy to work on the tape project, just tell me what to do and I'll try to = do=20 it. I don't know how much help I could be but I will try. My old tape recor= der=20 palyer died so I can't try any of your archived programs until I can get a = new=20 (and better) one.
    Please instruct me on t= he=20 archiveing of programs and I'll do what ever I can.
Rick..... 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 = Adam=20 Trionfo
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:0= 2=20 AM
Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Arch= ived=20 Programs

Doug wrote:
>>
First of all, thank you for= not=20 giving up on us.
>>

The tape project isn't back on- if th= at's=20 what you mean.  In order for that
too happen there needs to be a= lot=20 more volunteers.  A can archive some
myself, but there is just S= O=20 many programs.  However, with Ballybin working
so well, maybe so= me=20 more people will come forward and devote TIME to tape=20
archiving.

>>
Secondly, thanks for the archived progr= ams=20 and the explanations of
how to use them.
>>

I'm having= a=20 good time putting Ballybin to use.  It's a fun program to use
af= ter=20 having spent so much time trying (without success) to load and save=20
programs.  However, just putting archived tape programs "out the= re"=20 isn't
enough; users need to know how to use them.  That's why I'= ve=20 been making
sure to document how to load the programs I've=20 archived.

>>
Even though I still had one machine hooked u= p to=20 my television (with
Ward's exceptional multicart in it), I figured the= =20 future was dim for any
further Astrocade=20 adventures.
>>

Ward's multicart is quite nice.  You= =20 probably noticed that I archived a few
of the programs that are on it= (I=20 can't do them all- as some of the programs
require users to have extr= a=20 RAM).  Check out the 'Cartridge
Swapping/Conversion" article if = you=20 are looking for Astrocade Adventure
(that sounds like the name of mag= azine=20 or something).

>>
I honestly did not fully understand som= e of=20 the message threads about
archiving and using ballybin until this pas= t=20 week when you released the
fireworks program.
>>

What= was=20 the key- what made it click for you?  Was it actually being able to= =20
load a program?

>>
In the years since Astro Basic cam= e=20 out, my two Panasonice cassette
recorders have aged poorly and are no= t the=20 best way to store and retrieve
programs anymore.
>>

I= =20 don't think that the tape recorders were EVER the "best way" to save=20
programs.  People always had trouble with both interfaces (more = so=20 with the
2000-baud interface)- Ballybin offers a GREAT alternative.&n= bsp;=20 It allows us to
record out programs to digital media.  Really, n= ow=20 that the programs can be
loaded okay, there is nothing stopping anyon= e=20 from archiving the PD programs
to a CD (well, except "free"=20 time).

>>
I have an old laptop that really is too slow fo= r=20 current software but can
certainly play wav files.  I unpacked m= y=20 basic cartridge, tried it and found
that it works=20 great!!!
>>

You made a discovery similar to one that I ma= de=20 with my friend when we were
using Bob's program Makewav on a NON-PC=20 computer.  We used a bog standard
Amiga 2000 (circa 1987) with a= =20 couple megs of memory to convert binary files
and use them with my=20 Supercharger on my Atari 2600.  Back then I had not yet
given up= on=20 the Amiga, but most people had- using the Amiga with a plain
68000 to= play=20 wav files was a great use for the machine.

>>
You have no= w=20 resurrected two old computers in my household.
>>

I can't= =20 accept credit for doing that; Bob made the program.  I'm just like=20
you: a user.

>>
Thanks for your continued efforts and= your=20 detailed explanations.
>>

I CAN take credit for my (over?= )=20 detailed explanations- so thank you.  I
make instructions and=20 postings because just having the software available
does not put it t= o=20 use.  I include myself among the people that need a
tutorial on = how=20 to use software- so I write what I want to read.  I'm glad
it ha= s=20 helped=20 you.

Adam

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Chat=20 with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com



Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

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------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C224FB.4A927A60-- From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 15:54:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 22:54:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 78343 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 22:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 22:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 22:54:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:54:52 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 22:54:52 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 15:54:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 22:54:52.0891 (UTC) FILETIME=[23D23AB0:01C22540] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Rick wrote: >> I would be happy to work on the tape project, just tell me what to do and I'll try to do it. >> Do you have any programs on tape? Would you be willing to type-in a program or two? >> My old tape recorder palyer died so I can't try any of your archived programs until I can get a new (and better) one. >> The key to Ballybin is that you no longer need a program recorder. Though, if you have a Mac... >> Please instruct me on the archiveing of programs and I'll do what ever I can. >> Well, let me know if you have a Mac- I remember you mentioning that once before. If you have a Mac you can use ANY of the programs that we archive, but you won't be able to archive any programs. To load a program, download the zipped archive, then decompress it and play it through your computer speakers. Plug the cable that you usually plug into the recorder into the headphone jack. That's what I've been doing for playback- anyone have something different? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 16:00:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 23:00:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 90931 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 23:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 23:00:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 23:00:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:00:09 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 23:00:09 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade RAM test? Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:00:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 23:00:09.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0C6BA10:01C22540] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Most early arcade games tested RAM by writing 0x55, 0xAA, 0x00, and 0xFF to it followed by reading the contents back after each write. Another way to check is to write a walking 1s pattern, or write the address to the address. >> I have a book called "Z80 Assembly Language Subroutines." I looked up RAM test and there is a subroutine that is a prewritten that covers the bases you mentioned. In order to test the RAM, I need to either run the program from my RAM expansion or from an EPROM (I bought an EPROM burner and made myself a socketed cart). Not sure what I'm going to do yet. I'm just a beginner, but I imagine I can work something through with this. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 06 16:01:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 23:01:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 842 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 23:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 23:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 23:01:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:01:56 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 23:01:56 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Data Chip Heatsink Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:01:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 23:01:56.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[20744D30:01C22541] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> It is probably epoxied on. You might want to attach the R.S. heatsink to it, and get one of those small pentium cooling fans to blow on it! >> Really? I hadn't thought of that. There is room for a small heatsink- there's no room for a fan... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From fmillera@p... Sat Jul 06 16:04:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 23:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 94777 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 23:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 23:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 23:04:06 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.241.7]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYU00HZJO2QYO@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:04:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade RAM test? In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020706160107.00ab2cb8@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 04:00 PM 7/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> >Most early arcade games tested RAM by writing 0x55, 0xAA, 0x00, and 0xFF to >it followed by reading the contents back after each write. Another way to >check is to write a walking 1s pattern, or write the address to the address. > >> > >I have a book called "Z80 Assembly Language Subroutines." I looked up RAM >test and there is a subroutine that is a prewritten that covers the bases >you mentioned. > >In order to test the RAM, I need to either run the program from my RAM >expansion or from an EPROM (I bought an EPROM burner and made myself a >socketed cart). Not sure what I'm going to do yet. I'm just a beginner, >but I imagine I can work something through with this. Running a RAM test which is contained in the tested RAM is never a particularly good thing to do, especially when the test accesses the locations containing the test (recursive masterbation?). Better to run it from EPROM or from some other RAM. Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fmillera@p... Sat Jul 06 16:08:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 23:08:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 22155 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 23:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 23:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 23:08:31 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.241.7]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYU00IKTOA5C1@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 16:08:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Data Chip Heatsink In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020706160723.00ab26c0@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3688633==_.ALT" From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus --=====================_3688633==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:01 PM 7/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> >It is probably epoxied on. You might want to attach the R.S. heatsink to >it, and get one of those small pentium cooling fans to blow on it! > >> > >Really? I hadn't thought of that. There is room for a small heatsink- >there's no room for a fan... The pentium cooler fans I've seen have been pretty small - maybe 1 1/2 inches square. You wouldn't want to run it off the arcade supply, though. Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. --=====================_3688633==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 04:01 PM 7/6/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>
It is probably epoxied on.  You might want to attach the R.S. heatsink to
it, and get one of those small pentium cooling fans to blow on it!
>>

Really?  I hadn't thought of that.  There is room for a small heatsink-
there's no room for a fan...

The pentium cooler fans I've seen have been pretty small - maybe 1 1/2 inches square.  You wouldn't want to run it off the arcade supply, though.

Cheers,

Tony Miller

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--=====================_3688633==_.ALT-- From komb@s... Sat Jul 06 16:12:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 23:12:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 94995 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 23:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 23:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 23:12:27 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706231210.BBMQ18351.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2778E9.1080506@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 19:10:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade Data Chip Heatsink References: <4.2.2.20020706151556.00a89f18@p...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian tony miller wrote: > > It is probably epoxied on. You might want to attach the R.S. heatsink to > it, and get one of those small pentium cooling fans to blow on it! > > Cheers, > > Tony Miller > > Actually, it's thermal paste. Used to make better thermal connection from the chip to the aluminum heat spreader. Just give it a twist it'll come right off. The one on my original did easly enough. if you can find a 486 head sink and some thermal paste, that might do a better job, and still fit under the keyboard. But not under the shielding. Lance From komb@s... Sat Jul 06 16:15:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 23:15:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4001 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 23:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 23:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 23:15:52 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706231525.TXEL1496.tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:15:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2779B6.4080005@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 19:13:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Rick wrote: > > I would be happy to work on the tape project, just tell me what to do and > I'll try to do it. > > > Do you have any programs on tape? Would you be willing to type-in a program > or two? > > > My old tape recorder palyer died so I can't try any of your archived > programs until I can get a new (and better) one. > > > The key to Ballybin is that you no longer need a program recorder. Though, > if you have a Mac... > > > Please instruct me on the archiveing of programs and I'll do what ever I > can. > > > Well, let me know if you have a Mac- I remember you mentioning that once > before. If you have a Mac you can use ANY of the programs that we archive, > but you won't be able to archive any programs. > > To load a program, download the zipped archive, then decompress it and play > it through your computer speakers. Plug the cable that you usually plug > into the recorder into the headphone jack. > > That's what I've been doing for playback- anyone have something different? > Some speakers don't have headphone jacks. I just connect the output of the sound card directly to the basic cart. Need a mini jack to mimi jack cable either way. From komb@s... Sat Jul 06 16:19:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 23:19:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 8259 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 23:19:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 23:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 23:19:08 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020706231912.SWV21371.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:19:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3D277A7A.4080401@s...> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 19:17:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade RAM test? References: <4.2.2.20020706160107.00ab2cb8@p...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian tony miller wrote: > > Running a RAM test which is contained in the tested RAM is never a > particularly good thing to do, especially when the test accesses the > locations containing the test (recursive masterbation?). Better to run it > from EPROM or from some other RAM. > Like your BlueRam :) So far all the ramtest emails I've seen are good, nothing I could add. Best of luck, let us know how it goes. Maybe we can come you with a fix, or start a new astrocade for Adam fund! ;) Lance From rcolbert@c... Sun Jul 07 06:56:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 13:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 22108 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 13:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 13:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao08.cox.net) (68.1.17.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 13:56:06 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020707135604.RNXC4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@b...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:56:04 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:56:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C22594.25936780" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C22594.25936780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Adam Wrote] >> To load a program, download the zipped archive, then decompress it and play >> it through your computer speakers. Plug the cable that you usually plug >> into the recorder into the headphone jack. >> That's what I've been doing for playback- anyone have something different? I have speakers plugged into my soundcard. The speakers have a headphone jack on them which is controlled by the speakers' volume control. This provides me with easy access to the headphone jack and the ability to crank up the volume on hard-to-load tapes. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C22594.25936780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[Adam Wrote]
>> To load a program, download the zipped= =20 archive, then decompress it and play
<= FONT=20 face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>>> it throug= h your=20 computer speakers.  Plug the cable that you usually plug 
>> into the recorder into the headphone=20 jack.

>> That's what I've been doing for playba= ck-=20 anyone have something different?

I have speakers plugged into my= =20 soundcard.  The speakers have a headphone jack on them which is contro= lled=20 by the speakers' volume control.  This provides me with easy access to= the=20 headphone jack and the ability to crank up the volume on hard-to-load= =20 tapes.
 
        =        =20 Bob
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C22594.25936780-- From douglas_t_lee@p... Sun Jul 07 07:06:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 14:06:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 92567 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 14:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 14:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 14:06:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 14:06:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:06:06 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Archived Programs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2748 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Adam, in response to your post: I had been concerned that you might have been taking a (well- deserved) breather here due to our lack of participation. I am glad you are not. Like most of us, I have no time, but I would be willing to help out where I can. I would be glad to work on the archiving project since I now have some understanding what was/is involved. My purchased tapes are somewhere and some of my own programs have Kenny Rogers recorded over them (my wife needed a tape), but I would be willing to try to allocate some time to helping out this month and later this fall either to finding some of those old tapes in my collection and/or by typing them in and archiving them. Please let me know how I can assist. To be honest, I was never clear how we were going to archive things nor what was involved. It is now making some more sense to me that I was reading about using a DOS based tool for archiving programs into .wav files either by directly creating a .wav from an existing tape and then acoustically cleaning it with ballybin or (I imagine) by directly recording the .wav from the Bally Astrocade and then similarly cleaning it with ballybin. It wasn't so much that the information was not there or so difficult to undertstand, but it was disjoint. Generally your posts spoonfeed us information. In this case, we had to actually be paying attention. The participants in the threads always knew what they were talking about. I didn't always relate the various threads being part of the same topic. Examples of things that now make sense to me follow: August 5, 2001 (From Bob about remastering tapes) I just wanted to updated everyone on my effort to remaster Bally tapes. I started this project a few months ago and then stopped working on it for a while. Well, I'm back to it now. I've rewritten the code that extracts the digital data from a .wav file to be much more reliable. I'm currently working on writing that data back to a .wav file (which will be digitally perfect) using C++. I'll probably have a working version in a week or so. August 24, 2001 (From Adam about archiving) Now that Bob has made such headway on his "bally .wav -> bin -> .wav " program, it is time line up help to convert programs. This is a good chunk of software to archive already and will keep us busy for some time. March 29, 2002 (From Bob about ballybin) To use it, create a .wav file of a bally tape. Make the settings something relatively normal. I suggest 44khz mono. Then, call the program by issuing this command in DOS: ballybin nameofthewav.wav nameofthebin.bin The new .wav file is named new.wav in the same directory as the executable. Thanks again. Doug From douglas_t_lee@p... Sun Jul 07 07:17:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 14:17:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 54486 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 14:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 14:17:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:17:18 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: 300-baud interface Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 694 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Adam, Your comments about the 300 baud interface are quite valid. I used that for most of my programming when I was more heavily using the Bally Astrocade. What I would do is set it to record on a tape and then I would start entering the program. When I inevitably hit the reset key or somehow hung up the machine, I would be able to at least recover my work by inputting every keystroke back from the tape (yes, slow and taking as long as it took me originally, but less frustrating and I could do something else while it "typed" for me). When the techniques for swapping basic cartridgess came out, I could use that technique to create 2000 baud versions as well. Regards, Doug From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 07:19:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 14:19:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 5538 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 14:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 14:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 14:19:08 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707141851.GZKA18351.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3D284D6A.6010202@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:17:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Newest L.T. still has graphic glitches References: <3D27628B.6050802@s...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Tried the updates. No question marks. :) Made 1 round of L.T. (All 4 screens) Kinda neet, and Yes it is way more fun than the Atari E.T. cart. Eventhough it's using less colours. BTW. looked at the wave forms from an original .wav save and the ballybin output .wav What a difference. The original is as you would expect, a varying saw pattern. The ballybin outputs a perfict square wave pattern, varying not in amplitude, as the original does, but only in length to denote data. This is actually eactly what any 1978-80 tape system is looking for. Very(sp?) nice. Lance From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 07:33:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 14:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 20326 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 14:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 14:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 14:33:26 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707143308.HCKC18351.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:33:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2850C4.9020300@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:31:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Galactic War 2002' fixed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > I fixed the error in Galactic War and uploaded it again. I even added a > title screen just for Lance... (hows that for a start? We'll work on it). > Gets update. unzips... loads... Reads 'title screen'.. BWAAAA Ha ha ha .... :) Very droll ;) Game works perfectly now. Thanks, Lance From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 09:43:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 16:43:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 47635 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 16:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 16:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.183) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 16:43:11 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707164246.QTRZ1505.tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3D286F2D.40407@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:41:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Space Quest 2001' program archived References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Lance wrote: > >P.S. Will try to archive one of my favorite type in programs this > >weekend, Time permitting. > > > Which one are we talking about? I may have it in tape already... > > Anyone have any favorite type-in programs besides Lance and I? > > Adam > Digging through arcadian's..... Ah! here it is. Frog Leap Arcadian v5 N9 page 138 I used to have a tape I made of this and 'Ghost Fleet' (i think) which I re labeled 'Cylon'. Let me know if you have it. Else I'll type... I mean it! ;) Lance From lasrtt@g... Sun Jul 07 09:56:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 16:56:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 50259 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 16:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 16:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 16:56:11 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYW1PL01.EGO for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:56:09 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.124.37]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYW1PL01.X18 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:56:09 -0800 Message-ID: <003b01c225d6$6d672320$358afea9@t...> To: References: <4.2.2.20020706160107.00ab2cb8@p...> <3D277A7A.4080401@s...> Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade RAM test? Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:50:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C22593.5E72D780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C22593.5E72D780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll kick in some old Arcades and cash to the ADAM fund. Ruck..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lance F. Squire=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade RAM test? tony miller wrote: >=20 > Running a RAM test which is contained in the tested RAM is never a=20 > particularly good thing to do, especially when the test accesses the=20 > locations containing the test (recursive masterbation?). Better to run= it=20 > from EPROM or from some other RAM. >=20 Like your BlueRam :) So far all the ramtest emails I've seen are good, nothing I could add. Best of luck, let us know how it goes. Maybe we can come you with a fix, or start a new astrocade for Adam fund!= ;) Lance Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C22593.5E72D780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll kick in some old Arcades and cash to = the ADAM=20 fund.
Ruck.....
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Lance F. S= quire=20
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3:17= =20 PM
Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocad= e RAM=20 test?

tony miller wrote:

>
> Running a RAM = test=20 which is contained in the tested RAM is never a
> particularly goo= d=20 thing to do, especially when the test accesses the
> locations=20 containing the test (recursive masterbation?).  Better to run it >=20 from EPROM or from some other RAM.
>

Like your BlueRam=20 :)

So far all the ramtest emails I've seen are good, nothing I cou= ld=20 add.

Best of luck, let us know how it goes.

Maybe we can co= me=20 you with a fix, or start a new astrocade for Adam fund!=20 ;)

Lance


Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C22593.5E72D780-- From lasrtt@g... Sun Jul 07 10:00:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 17:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 63327 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 17:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 17:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 17:00:07 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYW1W603.IG6 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:00:06 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.124.37]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYW1W501.71G for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:00:05 -0800 Message-ID: <004901c225d7$09128440$358afea9@t...> To: References: <3D2779B6.4080005@s...> Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:55:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C22593.FA583460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C22593.FA583460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: I have a couple of programs on tape and yeb I would be willing to type i= n a program or two.=20 No MAC I have a COMPAQ PC. Still possible??? Rick.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lance F. Squire=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Adam Trionfo wrote: > Rick wrote: >=20 > I would be happy to work on the tape project, just tell me what to do a= nd=20 > I'll try to do it. >=20 >=20 > Do you have any programs on tape? Would you be willing to type-in a pr= ogram=20 > or two? >=20 >=20 > My old tape recorder palyer died so I can't try any of your archived=20 > programs until I can get a new (and better) one. >=20 >=20 > The key to Ballybin is that you no longer need a program recorder. Tho= ugh,=20 > if you have a Mac... >=20 >=20 > Please instruct me on the archiveing of programs and I'll do what ever = I=20 > can. >=20 >=20 > Well, let me know if you have a Mac- I remember you mentioning that onc= e=20 > before. If you have a Mac you can use ANY of the programs that we arch= ive,=20 > but you won't be able to archive any programs. >=20 > To load a program, download the zipped archive, then decompress it and = play=20 > it through your computer speakers. Plug the cable that you usually plu= g=20 > into the recorder into the headphone jack. >=20 > That's what I've been doing for playback- anyone have something differe= nt? >=20 Some speakers don't have headphone jacks. I just connect the output of the sound card directly to the basic cart.=20 Need a mini jack to mimi jack cable either way. Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C22593.FA583460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi:
   I have a couple of programs o= n tape=20 and yeb I would be willing to type in a program or two. 
   No MAC I have a COMPAQ = =20 PC.
   Still possible???
Rick....
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Lance F. S= quire=20
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 3:13= =20 PM
Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Arch= ived=20 Programs

Adam Trionfo wrote:
> Rick wrote:
>
&g= t; I=20 would be happy to work on the tape project, just tell me what to do and=20
> I'll try to do it.
>
>
> Do you have any pro= grams=20 on tape?  Would you be willing to type-in a program
> or=20 two?
>
>
> My old tape recorder palyer died so I can'= t try=20 any of your archived
> programs until I can get a new (and better)= =20 one.
>
>
> The key to Ballybin is that you no longer = need=20 a program recorder.  Though,
> if you have a Mac...
>=20
>
> Please instruct me on the archiveing of programs and I'= ll do=20 what ever I
> can.
>
>
> Well, let me know if = you=20 have a Mac- I remember you mentioning that once
> before.  If= you=20 have a Mac you can use ANY of the programs that we archive,
> but = you=20 won't be able to archive any programs.
>
> To load a program= ,=20 download the zipped archive, then decompress it and play
> it thro= ugh=20 your computer speakers.  Plug the cable that you usually plug
&g= t;=20 into the recorder into the headphone jack.
>
> That's what I= 've=20 been doing for playback- anyone have something different?
>
Some=20 speakers don't have headphone jacks.

I just connect the output of = the=20 sound card directly to the basic cart.
Need a mini jack to mimi jack = cable=20 either way.


Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C22593.FA583460-- From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 12:00:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:00:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 27104 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:00:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:00:49 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707190034.FCYT18868.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3D288F6F.8020503@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:58:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: How to archive Bally/Astrocade tapes. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Requirement: 1. Bally/Astrocade game system. 2. Bally/Astro Basic (With audio jack) 3. Tape deck. Simple 'shoe box' style prefered. 4. double ended headphone jack. Connects between Basic and Tape recorder or Recorder and computer 5. Audio recording software that saves in .wav format. 6. Personal Computer. IBM compatable prefered, but can make raw archives on any computer with 5. 7. ballybin.exe Version 1.1a. This cleans the audio file into perfict computer readable wave forms. Thus improving readability by other Bally/Astrocades. Optional: 1. Bally Basic (Without audio jack) 2. 300 baud interface. For 1. 3. Cart swap program, instructions, etc. to swap Bally Basic with Bally/Astro basic without losing program. How to do it: 1. Connect Tape Recorder to Bally/Astro Basic. 2. Adjust Recorder until tape loads & plays on your Bally/Astrocade. 3. Connect Tape Recorder to Mic in on PC sound system. 4. Launch Audio recording software. Record program, or hole tape to computer. 5. Save as .wav file 6. Pass wave file through ballybin.exe. (See ballybin instructions) How to test/use archives tapes 1. Connect Bally/Astro Basic to computer speaker out or headphone jack on speaker system. 2. Type ':INPUT GO' into Bally/Astro Basic. Adjust volume while playing .wav archive. (Looping/replaying may be nessessary to find proper volume.) When garbage or graphics show on screen you are close. Aprox 3/4 volume works for me. Your minage may vary. 3. Reset Bally/Astrocade. Re type input command. play .wav file from pc. If the volume is correct, graphics should show on screen and program should run. Most programs will need 'RUN GO' entered at the '>' prompt after load. If graphics seem imperfect/garbled slightly adjust volume, and try again. Enjoy, Once volume is set ALL archived programs should load flawlessly. Raw saves will vary Lance Adam Feel free to edit this as you see fit. From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 12:05:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:05:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 94062 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:05:27 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707190530.GHZX8571.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3D289085.6000502@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:03:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Music Keyboard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian The last program on the lt-tape.wav is Music Keyboard. Full instructions and printout can be found in the Arcadian: Volume 5 Number 4 page 63 Knew I'd seen it before! :) Lance From rcolbert@c... Sun Jul 07 12:17:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:17:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 79079 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao07.cox.net) (68.1.17.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:17:00 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020707191700.QAU1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@b...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:17:00 -0400 To: Subject: Binary Tape Format Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:17:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C225C0.F9E63F40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004901c225d7$09128440$358afea9@t...> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C225C0.F9E63F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Well, since it's time to write the program that takes a binary file and creates a .wav from it, I've been forced to finalize the file format. This format will be referred to as format 1 from this point on. In the description, anything in square brackets [] is optional. Any feedback would be appreciated! Bob (load count byte)(file length word)(file checksum word) [
(seconds byte)(hundredths byte)
] [ (name up to 255 characters) ] (load number byte)
(seconds byte)(hundredths byte)
(data length word)(data)
[ ... ]
LOAD format Desc 0 Raw bits 1 Tape bytes 2 Machine Bytes with no offset 3 Machine Bytes with offset ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C225C0.F9E63F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
    Well, since it's time to write the program that ta= kes a=20 binary file and creates a .wav from it, I've been forced to finalize the fi= le=20 format.  This format will be referred to as format 1 from this point=20 on.  In the description, anything in square brackets [] is optional.&n= bsp;=20 Any feedback would be appreciated!
 
        =        =20 Bob
 
<BALLY format=3D1>
    (load count byte)(file length word)(file checks= um=20 word)
 
    [
    <FOOTER=20 byteHeader=3D3>
        (seconds byte)(hundredt= hs=20 byte)
    </FOOTER>
   =20 ]
 
    [
   =20 <NAME>
        (name up to 255=20 characters)
    </NAME>
    ]
  
    <LOAD format=3D3>
        (load number=20 byte)
        <HEADER=20 byteHeader=3D3>
         = ;  =20 (seconds byte)(hundredths byte)
       =20 </HEADER>
        <DATA=20 byteHeader=3D2>
           = (data=20 length word)(data)
       =20 </DATA>
    </LOAD>
 
    [
    <LOAD=20 format=3D1>
       =20 ...
    </LOAD>
    ]
 
</BALLY>
 
LOAD=20 format Desc
     0     Raw=20 bits
     1     Tape=20 bytes
     2     Machine Bytes w= ith=20 no offset
     3     Machine Byt= es=20 with offset
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C225C0.F9E63F40-- From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 12:27:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:27:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 11616 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.185) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:27:28 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707192700.FVLX1496.tomts23-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:27:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2895AE.1070106@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:25:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > Hi, > Well, since it's time to write the program that takes a binary file > and creates a .wav from it, I've been forced to finalize the file > format. This format will be referred to as format 1 from this point > on. In the description, anything in square brackets [] is optional. > Any feedback would be appreciated! > > Bob > > > (load count byte)(file length word)(file checksum word) Does this mean that the file will partly look like html? Or is a 1 the first byte indicating 'Bally format'? Lance From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 12:36:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:36:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 7357 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.156) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:36:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:36:12 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:36:12 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Space Quest 2001' program archived Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:36:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 19:36:12.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D459660:01C225ED] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Ah! here it is. Frog Leap Arcadian v5 N9 page 138 Let me know if you have it. Else I'll type... I mean it! ;) >> I don't have that one, so go ahead and type it. If you type one, I'll type one. Pick one from one of the later issues... it's only fair. Maybe even pick something from Cursor or another newsletter (hey, they are all available at ballyalley.com). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 12:40:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:40:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 75202 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:40:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:40:24 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:40:24 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:40:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 19:40:24.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[23637540:01C225EE] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I have a couple of programs on tape and yeb I would be willing to type in a program or two. >> Hey, that's more like it! Volunteers willing to type on the Astrocade keypad! We should all make a "wish list" of maybe, say- ten programs that we'd all like to see and then we can type them in and check them off as we go. >> No MAC I have a COMPAQ PC. >> You should have no problems- as long as you can get yourself to a DOS prompt. Have you used DOS before? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 12:43:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:43:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 61831 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:43:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:43:26 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Galactic War 2002' fixed Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:43:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 19:43:26.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[9019CF90:01C225EE] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo lance wrote: >> Gets update. unzips... loads... Reads 'title screen'.. BWAAAA Ha ha ha .... :) Very droll ;) Game works perfectly now. >> I thought that you would get a kick out of that. I wanted a longer "error" message, but I had to keep the message short. Either way, it was just a bit of humor for a task which can sometimes be rather dull. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 12:47:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:47:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 25426 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:47:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:47:06 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:47:06 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Music Keyboard Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:47:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 19:47:06.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[13313A80:01C225EF] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> The last program on the lt-tape.wav is Music Keyboard. Full instructions and printout can be found in the Arcadian: Volume 5 Number 4 page 63 >> I scanned all that stuff, yea, but you don't think I read it ALL do you? Though I have to admit, I have read a good portion of it (I've skimmed it all- but skimming isn't reading...). Good find! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 12:57:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:57:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 17644 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.183) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:57:34 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707195711.YIDL1505.tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:57:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3D289CBC.8090402@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:55:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Music Keyboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > The last program on the lt-tape.wav is Music Keyboard. > > Full instructions and printout can be found in the Arcadian: > Volume 5 Number 4 page 63 > > > I scanned all that stuff, yea, but you don't think I read it ALL do you? > Though I have to admit, I have read a good portion of it (I've skimmed it > all- but skimming isn't reading...). > > Good find! > > Adam > The only reason I knew it was there is, I typed it in and played with it, low many years ago. Lance From rcolbert@c... Sun Jul 07 13:07:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 20:07:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 75940 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 20:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao08.cox.net) (68.1.17.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:07:14 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020707200711.SUUB4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@b...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:07:11 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C225C7.FE5506E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D2895AE.1070106@s...> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C225C7.FE5506E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, there will be mark-up tags much like html / xml, but since neither can properly handle binary data the format is not either. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:komb@s...] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:26 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format Bob Colbert wrote: > Hi, > Well, since it's time to write the program that takes a binary file > and creates a .wav from it, I've been forced to finalize the file > format. This format will be referred to as format 1 from this point > on. In the description, anything in square brackets [] is optional. > Any feedback would be appreciated! > > Bob > > > (load count byte)(file length word)(file checksum word) Does this mean that the file will partly look like html? Or is a 1 the first byte indicating 'Bally format'? Lance Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Yes,=20 there will be mark-up tags much like html / xml, but since neither can prop= erly=20 handle binary data the format is not either.
 
        =    =20 Bob
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Bob Colbert=20 wrote:
> Hi,
>     Well, since it's time = to=20 write the program that takes a binary file
> and creates a .wav fr= om=20 it, I've been forced to finalize the file
> format.  This for= mat=20 will be referred to as format 1 from this point
> on.  In the= =20 description, anything in square brackets [] is optional. 
> A= ny=20 feedback would be appreciated!
> =20
>           = ;     =20 Bob

> <BALLY=20 format=3D1>
>     (load count byte)(file len= gth=20 word)(file checksum word)


Does this mean that the file will pa= rtly=20 look like html?
Or is a 1 the first byte indicating 'Bally=20 format'?

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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C225C7.FE5506E0-- From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 13:19:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 20:19:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 81157 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 20:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:19:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:19:32 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:19:32 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 13:19:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 20:19:32.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AF39310:01C225F3] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I like the setup. It makes sense, and is easy to follow. Here's some comments: 1) Load format description: "0=Raw bits and 1=tape bits." That's how BASIC is setup. Is there a way this could be inverted, so that a 1=raw bits and a 0=tape bits? Mike White told me that the "Music Maker" cartridge (which also can save music to tape) uses the same 2000 baud interface, but the software expects the data to be reversed. I have not confirmed this, but if it's true then a switch for this might be nice (then again- there are SO few of those cartridges available...) 2) No "raw" binary file? The binary file will ALWAYS have at least a five byte header? What if I wanted to take the "Dogpatch" cart that I archived and use it one the emulator as a cart again? Will there be a way to do this without needing to modify ballybin's output by hand (by removing the header in a hex editor)? 3) This an OBSCURE feature question. If I write a small ML subroutine and I assemble it on my PC and then I want to load it into Astrobasic at a specific memory location in the 4K that is onboard, could there be a way that I could specify where I want the bytes stored? When using the Astrocade, the ML programmer was/is forced to enter data in decimal and poke it to each memory location, and then run the BASIC program (if this sounds like a word-around for a BASIC without data statements, that's because it is). If this sounds workable, let me know. It's a weird one- I know. 4) Some of the other multiload methods look for program numbers (up to 18 bytes for one method)- your program may already take this into account- but it's someting to keep in mind. The article that Mike White wrote talks about this method (and has a program that uses it). One of us needs to try this method with Ballybin 1.1a and see what happens. Is that the kind of feedback you're looking for? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 13:21:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 20:21:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 34111 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 20:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:21:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:21:14 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:21:14 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 13:21:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 20:21:14.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7E4C550:01C225F3] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Yes, there will be mark-up tags much like html / xml, but since neither can properly handle binary data the format is not either. >> What IS it then? You sorta left us hanging there... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From douglas_t_lee@p... Sun Jul 07 13:33:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 20:33:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 94363 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 20:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:33:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 20:33:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:33:44 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How to archive Bally/Astrocade tapes. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D288F6F.8020503@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Lance, Your explanation is excellent! A couple of questions: 1. Do you have a suggestion for Audio recording software that is easily available? 2. I know that Bob's suggestion of 44khz mono is quite common in the audio world. Is that easily set up with most recording software? 3. You lost me a bit on step 4. Are you are saying is that we could either record the individual program from the tape or record the whole tape into a .wav file? Thanks. Doug --- In ballyalley@y..., "Lance F. Squire" wrote: > > Requirement: > > 1. Bally/Astrocade game system. > 2. Bally/Astro Basic (With audio jack) > 3. Tape deck. Simple 'shoe box' style prefered. > 4. double ended headphone jack. Connects between Basic and Tape recorder > or Recorder and computer > 5. Audio recording software that saves in .wav format. > 6. Personal Computer. IBM compatable prefered, but can make raw archives > on any computer with 5. > 7. ballybin.exe Version 1.1a. This cleans the audio file into perfict > computer readable wave forms. Thus improving readability by other > Bally/Astrocades. > > Optional: > > 1. Bally Basic (Without audio jack) > 2. 300 baud interface. For 1. > 3. Cart swap program, instructions, etc. to swap Bally Basic with > Bally/Astro basic without losing program. > > > How to do it: > > 1. Connect Tape Recorder to Bally/Astro Basic. > 2. Adjust Recorder until tape loads & plays on your Bally/Astrocade. > 3. Connect Tape Recorder to Mic in on PC sound system. > 4. Launch Audio recording software. Record program, or hole tape to > computer. > 5. Save as .wav file > 6. Pass wave file through ballybin.exe. (See ballybin instructions) > > How to test/use archives tapes > > 1. Connect Bally/Astro Basic to computer speaker out or headphone jack > on speaker system. > > 2. Type ':INPUT GO' into Bally/Astro Basic. Adjust volume while playing > .wav archive. (Looping/replaying may be nessessary to find proper > volume.) When garbage or graphics show on screen you are close. Aprox > 3/4 volume works for me. Your minage may vary. > > 3. Reset Bally/Astrocade. Re type input command. play .wav file from pc. > If the volume is correct, graphics should show on screen and program > should run. Most programs will need 'RUN GO' entered at the '>' prompt > after load. If graphics seem imperfect/garbled slightly adjust volume, > and try again. > > Enjoy, Once volume is set ALL archived programs should load flawlessly. > Raw saves will vary > > Lance > > Adam Feel free to edit this as you see fit. From rcolbert@c... Sun Jul 07 13:42:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 20:42:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 26622 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 20:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao07.cox.net) (68.1.17.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:42:55 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020707204255.ZDF1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@b...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:42:55 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:43:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware > 1) Load format description: "0=Raw bits and 1=tape bits." > That's how BASIC is setup. Is there a way this could be inverted, > so that a 1=raw bits and a 0=tape bits? Mike White told me that > the "Music Maker" cartridge (which also can save music to tape) > uses the same 2000 baud interface, but the software expects the > data to be reversed. I have not confirmed this, but if it's true > then a switch for this might be nice (then again- there are SO few > of those cartridges available...) LOAD format Desc 0 Raw bits 1 Tape bytes 2 Machine Bytes with no offset 3 Machine Bytes with offset Here is a brief description of each format: 0 - No attempt to decode bytes is made. Each bit on the tape is cleaned and written to the new .wav file. 1 - The byte-headers (2 bits per byte) are checked and stripped. The bits are NOT decoded into the bytes that are loaded into BASIC. 2 - The byte-headers are checked and stripped. The bits ARE decoded into the bytes that are loaded into BASIC. The order of the bytes in the .bin file is unchanged from the order they are on the tape. 3 - The byte-headers are checked and stripped. The bits ARE decoded into the bytes that are loaded into BASIC. The order of the bytes in the .bin file are modified to put all of the BASIC program bytes together and the screen RAM bytes together. I've only implemented methods 0 and 3 so far, and only 3 is fully impelemented. > > 2) No "raw" binary file? The binary file will ALWAYS have at least > a five byte header? What if I wanted to take the "Dogpatch" cart > that I archived and use it one the emulator as a cart again? Will > there be a way to do this without needing to modify ballybin's > output by hand (by removing the header in a hex editor)? Hopefully, the emulator author will embrace the format and support it. The whole idea is to keep important information about the data with it. If not, a conversion utility can easily be created. > 3) This an OBSCURE feature question. If I write a small ML subroutine > and I assemble it on my PC and then I want to load it into > Astrobasic at a specific memory location in the 4K that is onboard, > could there be a way that I could specify where I want the bytes > stored? When using the Astrocade, the ML programmer was/is forced > to enter data in decimal and poke it to each memory location, and > then run the BASIC program (if this sounds like a word-around for a > BASIC without data statements, that's because it is). If this > sounds workable, let me know. It's a weird one- I know. I've thought about this too, it may be future functionality. Does anybody have the 300 baud conversion program saved to .wav format? This would be a good candidate for me to play with. > 4) Some of the other multiload methods look for program numbers (up > to 18 bytes for one method)- your program may already take this > into account- but it's someting to keep in mind. The article that > Mike White wrote talks about this method (and has a program that > uses it). One of us needs to try this method with Ballybin 1.1a > and see what happens. It should work, but if not I can implent it. > Is that the kind of feedback you're looking for? Yes, thank you! Bob From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 13:47:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 20:47:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 29593 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 20:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:47:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:47:20 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:47:20 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: How to archive Bally/Astrocade tapes. Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 13:47:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 20:47:20.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D4FD950:01C225F7] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Your explanation is excellent! >> Agreed. Lance, you did some bang-up work there! I'm not just saying that because I didn't have to write it... You asked Lance a couple of questions, and I would be interested to hear his answers, but I can make a few suggestions. >> Do you have a suggestion for Audio recording software that is easily available? >> I have been using a program called Cool Edit 96, which, um, came out in 1996. It's a commercial product, but this version only lets you use certain features at the same time- I've never needed any of the extra features. However, you should be able to get by with "Sound Recorder" which is included with Windows. I have not used it for a few years, but it'll get you by. In fact, unless you outgrow it (it used to limit file size- does it still do that?), you may not need another program. >> I know that Bob's suggestion of 44khz mono is quite common in the audio world. Is that easily set up with most recording software? >> It's a snap. You have to choose SOMETHING when you record, this is one of the selections that you are offered. >> Are you are saying is that we could either record the individual program from the tape or record the whole tape into a .wav file? >> I REALLY like the option of recording the whole tape and then having Ballybin break them into different files for me. It makes the task SO easy. Now, if only I could figure out why my damn computer has those funny little gophers, telephones and parachutes... Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From rcolbert@c... Sun Jul 07 13:47:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 20:47:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 27073 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 20:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao07.cox.net) (68.1.17.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:47:24 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020707204724.ZQR1131.lakemtao07.cox.net@b...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:47:24 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:47:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C225CD.9B53A9B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C225CD.9B53A9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call it what you will. bml :) It's simply my attempt at making some sort of flexible format. For example, in the future new tags could be added that give more information about the tape. Old programs that aren't familiar with the old tag would simply ignore it. Some tags that come to mind are instructions, game history notes, etc... Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 3:21 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format >> Yes, there will be mark-up tags much like html / xml, but since neither can properly handle binary data the format is not either. >> What IS it then? You sorta left us hanging there... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C225CD.9B53A9B0-- From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 13:52:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 20:52:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 74013 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 20:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 20:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.228) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 20:52:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:52:56 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:52:55 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 13:52:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 20:52:56.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[451D7230:01C225F8] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Call it what you will. bml :) >> Where can I buy a book on Bob's Markup Language... [wink] >> It's simply my attempt at making some sort of flexible format. For example, in the future new tags could be added that give more information about the tape. Old programs that aren't familiar with the old tag would simply ignore it. Some tags that come to mind are instructions, game history notes, etc... >> Right. This sorta of stuff was talked about last summer. It was a good idea then- it makes just as much sense now. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 14:05:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 21:05:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 44593 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 21:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 21:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 21:05:19 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707210513.ITHJ18503.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:05:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3D28AC9D.20307@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:03:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: How to archive Bally/Astrocade tapes. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian dtlee wrote: > Lance, > > Your explanation is excellent! > > A couple of questions: > > 1. Do you have a suggestion for Audio recording software that is > easily available? > Um..no. I use the 'Wave Studio' that came with my SoundBlaster card when in windows, or a simular program when in Linux (misplaced it at the moment) Any program that does pc audio recording should work. > 2. I know that Bob's suggestion of 44khz mono is quite common in the > audio world. Is that easily set up with most recording software? > All the one's i've seen. > 3. You lost me a bit on step 4. Are you are saying is that we could > either record the individual program from the tape or record the > whole tape into a .wav file? > yes. I would recomend saving each program off the tape individually, however the lt-tape.wav experiment shows that the latest ballybin can seperate the programs for you. This is great as long as they are individual programs. All parts of a multiload program should be kept together. eg: title prog + game prog. > Thanks. > > Doug > From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 14:10:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 21:10:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 85709 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 21:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 21:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 21:10:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:10:29 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:10:29 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:10:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 21:10:29.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[B90F3AF0:01C225FA] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> 0 - No attempt to decode bytes is made. Each bit on the tape is cleaned and written to the new .wav file. >> So as long as the wav file doesn't have a whole bunch of static or dropouts, then ANY format would work with this method, inlcuding anything we have not even heard of. I think I'll try saving a tune with "Music Maker" and seeing what happens. Does anyone have the "Music Maker" cartridge with the interface besides me? (If not, Mike has a handful of them). >> 1 - The byte-headers (2 bits per byte) are checked and stripped. The bits are NOT decoded into the bytes that are loaded into BASIC. >> What ARE the byte-headers? >> 2 - The byte-headers are checked and stripped. The bits ARE decoded into the bytes that are loaded into BASIC. The order of the bytes in the .bin file is unchanged from the order they are on the tape. >> So this would give the Byte order as one would expect (since BASIC puts them into a "weird" order). >> 3 - The byte-headers are checked and stripped. The bits ARE decoded into the bytes that are loaded into BASIC. The order of the bytes in the .bin file are modified to put all of the BASIC program bytes together and the screen RAM bytes together. >> Oh, that's neat. This would be the one that Lance could use to write a program on the PC to write BASIC programs (once the true ASCII was changed to Bally ASCII). I like this. >> Hopefully, the emulator author will embrace the format and support it. The whole idea is to keep important information about the data with it. If not, a conversion utility can easily be created. >> Right. However, there is no current emulator author. No one has taken over for Frank. Don't worry about it- forge ahead; the format is a good one. >> I've thought about this too, it may be future functionality. Does anybody have the 300 baud conversion program saved to .wav format? This would be a good candidate for me to play with. >> I have that program on tape, but I never could get it to work. I even retyped it from the manual and checked it a million times for errors, but it just doesn't work. I guess I should say, it RUNs, but I never get a 2000 baud program I can use. I'll look into this for you. >> It should work [other multiload methods], but if not I can implent it. >> Right. "Raw bits" (method 0) is used for this. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 14:29:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 21:29:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 1477 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 21:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 21:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 21:29:40 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707212925.GKTG18868.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3D28B252.7060907@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:27:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > > LOAD format Desc > 0 Raw bits > 1 Tape bytes > 2 Machine Bytes with no offset > 3 Machine Bytes with offset > > Here is a brief description of each format: > 0 - No attempt to decode bytes is made. Each bit on the tape is cleaned > and > written to the new .wav file. > 1 - The byte-headers (2 bits per byte) are checked and stripped. The bits > are > NOT decoded into the bytes that are loaded into BASIC. > 2 - The byte-headers are checked and stripped. The bits ARE decoded into > the > bytes that are loaded into BASIC. The order of the bytes in the .bin file > is unchanged from the order they are on the tape. > 3 - The byte-headers are checked and stripped. The bits ARE decoded into > the > bytes that are loaded into BASIC. The order of the bytes in the .bin file > are modified to put all of the BASIC program bytes together and the screen > RAM bytes together. > > I've only implemented methods 0 and 3 so far, and only 3 is fully > impelemented. > > Wooo Hoo! If mode 3 works like I think you're saying it does. It makes weiting that txt to bin program I've been working on easy. What exactly is/are the byte-headers? Do I need them, or is the file sans them. So I'd just store the apropriate bytes? Lance From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 14:33:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 21:33:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 36365 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 21:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 21:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 21:33:20 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020707213302.KKPU18351.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:33:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3D28B32E.90002@s...> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:31:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Binary Tape Format References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > > > So as long as the wav file doesn't have a whole bunch of static or dropouts, > then ANY format would work with this method, inlcuding anything we have not > even heard of. I think I'll try saving a tune with "Music Maker" and seeing > what happens. Does anyone have the "Music Maker" cartridge with the > interface besides me? (If not, Mike has a handful of them). > > Really, Guess I gotta Talk to Mike, and get some more money together. From lasrtt@g... Sun Jul 07 15:55:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 22:55:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 45415 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 22:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 22:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 22:55:34 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYWICK01.10T for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:55:32 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.112.131]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYWICK02.S4B for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:55:32 -0800 Message-ID: <00b101c22608$b0e6ba20$358afea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:50:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka I don't think so, don't even know what DOS is, please explain or clarify. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs > >> > I have a couple of programs on tape and yeb I would be willing to type in a > program or two. > >> > > Hey, that's more like it! Volunteers willing to type on the Astrocade > keypad! We should all make a "wish list" of maybe, say- ten programs that > we'd all like to see and then we can type them in and check them off as we > go. > > >> > No MAC I have a COMPAQ PC. > >> > > You should have no problems- as long as you can get yourself to a DOS > prompt. Have you used DOS before? > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 17:04:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 00:04:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 61955 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 00:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 00:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.120) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 00:04:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:04:24 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:04:24 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:04:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 00:04:24.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[04AA02C0:01C22613] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I don't think so, don't even know what DOS is, please explain or clarify. >> Well, I suppose it might be a little easier if you just sit back and enjoy what we can do with these files. Explaining how to use DOS would require a book. Thanks for offering your help to archive the tapes, but I think your time would be put to better use by playtesting what we are able to archive. In that case just follow the directions that Lance wrote and you will be fine. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From douglas_t_lee@p... Sun Jul 07 17:17:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: douglas_t_lee@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 00:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 27237 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 00:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 00:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 00:17:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 00:17:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:17:04 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Archived Programs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1382 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dtlee" X-Originating-IP: 24.188.32.44 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54977169 X-Yahoo-Profile: dtlee Adam, My offer still stands as a volunteer. Let me know what needs to be keyed in and archived. Any tapes I have are packed in a box somewhere. If I find them, I will let you know. I found a bunch of Arcadians and Cursors (you have those) and my PA1 service manual, etc, but the tapes are still hiding. I can't promise speed, but I will endeavor to provide accuracy. And yes, I know more about DOS than I care to admit. Honestly, Rick doesn't really need to know a lot about DOS to do this. Maybe he could capture the WAV files and email them to me (again, speed of response is not promised). Regards, Doug --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > >> > I don't think so, don't even know what DOS is, please explain or clarify. > >> > > Well, I suppose it might be a little easier if you just sit back and enjoy > what we can do with these files. Explaining how to use DOS would require a > book. > > Thanks for offering your help to archive the tapes, but I think your time > would be put to better use by playtesting what we are able to archive. In > that case just follow the directions that Lance wrote and you will be fine. > > Adam > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 17:34:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 00:34:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 14303 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 00:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 00:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 00:34:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:34:25 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:34:25 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:34:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 00:34:25.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[3635BD30:01C22617] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I'm trying to narrow down what is going on with my Astrocade- that is, why do I get garbage with L.T. when no one else does. I have one working Astrocade, but I do have two that have various problems. I thought I would see what I could do to narrow the problem down. Here's what I did, maybe someone can offer some suggestions: 1) I took my "best" bad Astrocade (the colors are all wrong) and open it up. I always figured it was a bad custom chip, so one by one I swap each chip from my good Astrocade. 2) I swap the I/O chip - no changes (I don't expect any) 3) I leave in the "new" I/O chip and then I swap the address chip; still, no changes. 4) I swap the Data chip, and now the "bad" Astrocade's colors are right on the mark. 5) I try to load L.T. on this Astrocade, but I get the exact same graphic problems. >From what I've done I've deduced that it is not a RAM problem; there is no way that both the machines would have the same RAM problem- therefore I must have introduced the error from the other Astrocade via the custom chip swap. However, this is overlooking that I did have a good load yesterday of L.T. from the tape. It's possible the data chip is having erratic problems, but not likely. I only can replace the custom chips if I salvage them from another Astrocade board (or Arcade machine, I think). Here's the question: I know that there are a lot of you out there with Astrocade's that don't work. The problem is that the data chip is what goes bad on these consoles, which means that it's unlikely that any of you have "spare" custom chips. Or… do you? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 17:46:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 00:46:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 58140 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 00:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 00:46:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.173) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 00:46:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:46:58 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:46:57 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:46:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 00:46:58.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6BCBCB0:01C22618] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Doug wrote: >> My offer still stands as a volunteer. Let me know what needs to be keyed in and archived. >> I still suggest, that as a group, we make a wish list and start from there. I thought it might be neat to archive program in order- but where's the fun in that? Let's do the programs that look NEAT. I'll look through the newsletters this evening and make a list of ten programs I'd like to see archived (be they be type-ins or commercials tapes that someone might have). Mostly the type-in programs don't match the quality of the commercial programs on tape, but access to the type-in programs is assurred Any tapes I have are packed in a box somewhere. If I find them, I will let you know. I found a bunch of Arcadians and Cursors (you have those) and my PA1 service manual, etc, but the tapes are still hiding. I can't promise speed, but I will endeavor to provide accuracy. And yes, I know more about DOS than I care to admit. Honestly, Rick doesn't really need to know a lot about DOS to do this. Maybe he could capture the WAV files and email them to me (again, speed of response is not promised). Regards, Doug --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > >> > I don't think so, don't even know what DOS is, please explain or clarify. > >> > > Well, I suppose it might be a little easier if you just sit back and enjoy > what we can do with these files. Explaining how to use DOS would require a > book. > > Thanks for offering your help to archive the tapes, but I think your time > would be put to better use by playtesting what we are able to archive. In > that case just follow the directions that Lance wrote and you will be fine. > > Adam > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 07 17:55:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 00:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 66799 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 00:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 00:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.9) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 00:55:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:55:27 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:55:27 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Ten Program Wish List Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:55:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 00:55:27.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[26A3A820:01C2261A] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Ten Program Wish List I suggest we, as a group, make a wish list of tape programs that we would like to see archived on the Astrocade. It would be effective to archive programs in order of publication- but where's the fun in that, especially since the "better" programs came out later in the Astrocade's life? Besides, not every program is WORTH seeing… Let's do the programs that look neat or fun or weird or, well, whatever makes a program interesting- you all know what you like. Let's each of us look through the newsletters and make a list of ten programs that we want to see archived (be they type-in programs or commercial tapes that someone might have stashed in a closet). Most of the time, type-in programs don't match the quality of the commercial programs on tape, but access to most of the type-in programs is assured (all the newsletters are archived online), but we don't all have the commercial tapes. However, don't let that slow you up- list what you want to see, not by how likely it is to be seen, but by how much you want to see it. Maybe someone here will have what you never expected to see. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ward.shrake@w... Sun Jul 07 20:49:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 03:49:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 25152 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 03:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 03:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 03:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 03:49:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 03:49:12 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ward's multicarts and back-orders Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1801 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.142 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan (Rick said:) >> I am trying to pick up a >> mulitcart but so far no luck. (Adam said:) > There is no luck involved here. > Ya just gotta purchase one. > Ward's got'em! Actually, both Rick and Adam are partially correct, on this. Rick had contacted me some few weeks ago, regarding possibly purchasing an Astrocade multicart, only to be told that I did not have any that were fully assembled and ready to go at that time. This is just one of the unfortunate things associated with making a limited production of something, entirely by hand. I originally thought I'd have some made up relatively quickly, but time passed, with Rick patiently waiting. Sorry about that, Rick! I have not forgotten you or your request, even if it seems like I may have. I had four etched and drilled multicart PC boards mostly done when he contacted me, but nothing much had happened since then. I did figure out my laughably-risky financial situation, after paying this month's bills, and felt safe enough in ordering some raw parts, which should arrive early this coming week. With those raw parts in hand, I can then continue working on them. But honestly, if the CGE event was not around the corner, I could not have taken the parts-ordering risk. I have no guarantee that I'll even get my expense money back, etc. I still am not sure what I'm going to do about my stupid printer dying on me; I have three Arcadia 2001 multicarts (slower sellers) sitting here, with no labels, and not much I can really do about it. And don't even ask about the planned multicarts for the Commodore VIC- 20 machine! I had to steal the EPROM chip out of my one and only prototype cart, just to fill my last paid orders of the other carts. Yes, poverty truly sucks. But life goes on.... -- Ward Shrake -- From komb@s... Sun Jul 07 21:20:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 04:20:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 66628 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 04:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 04:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.189) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 04:20:26 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020708041958.HDHX8711.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:19:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3D291298.20307@s...> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:18:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > I only can replace the custom chips if I salvage them from another Astrocade > board (or Arcade machine, I think). Here's the question: I know that there > are a lot of you out there with Astrocade's that don't work. The problem is > that the data chip is what goes bad on these consoles, which means that it's > unlikely that any of you have "spare" custom chips. > > Or... do you? > > Adam > Sounds like it might be what ever controlls the 'Magic Ram' functions. I Do have a spare Bally with a bad ram bit. Other wise in working order. We might be able to arrange something. Hate to lose my back-up though. From lasrtt@g... Sun Jul 07 22:48:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 05:48:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 63364 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 05:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 05:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 05:48:00 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYX1FY02.9OQ for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:47:58 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.117.93]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYX1FX01.I7T for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:47:57 -0800 Message-ID: <002f01c22642$5083b0e0$358afea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:42:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka Hi Adam: I have 10 (ten) dead or very sick ASTROCADES, maybe there is something you can use (or anyone else), because I have given up on the idea that anyone can or will repair them. So if you are interested in whole, part or pieces EMAIL me and I will send you what ever you think will help. Rick..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? > I'm trying to narrow down what is going on with my Astrocade- that is, why > do I get garbage with L.T. when no one else does. I have one working > Astrocade, but I do have two that have various problems. > > I thought I would see what I could do to narrow the problem down. Here's > what I did, maybe someone can offer some suggestions: > > 1) I took my "best" bad Astrocade (the colors are all wrong) and > open it up. I always figured it was a bad custom chip, so one by > one I swap each chip from my good Astrocade. > > 2) I swap the I/O chip - no changes (I don't expect any) > > 3) I leave in the "new" I/O chip and then I swap the address chip; > still, no changes. > > 4) I swap the Data chip, and now the "bad" Astrocade's colors are > right on the mark. > > 5) I try to load L.T. on this Astrocade, but I get the exact same > graphic problems. > > From what I've done I've deduced that it is not a RAM problem; there is no > way that both the machines would have the same RAM problem- therefore I must > have introduced the error from the other Astrocade via the custom chip swap. > However, this is overlooking that I did have a good load yesterday of L.T. > from the tape. It's possible the data chip is having erratic problems, but > not likely. > > I only can replace the custom chips if I salvage them from another Astrocade > board (or Arcade machine, I think). Here's the question: I know that there > are a lot of you out there with Astrocade's that don't work. The problem is > that the data chip is what goes bad on these consoles, which means that it's > unlikely that any of you have "spare" custom chips. > > Or. do you? > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From lasrtt@g... Sun Jul 07 22:52:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 05:52:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 99352 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 05:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 05:52:44 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYX1NV02.MNX for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:52:43 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.117.93]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYX1NS02.Y7K for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:52:40 -0800 Message-ID: <003501c22642$fa2941a0$358afea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:47:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C225FF.E94FBB40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C225FF.E94FBB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okey-dokie I will a new tape recorder, a double ended headphone jack (what = ever that is), and some Audio recording software (brand ?? where?? like rad= io shack or a computer store??). Ballybin I assume is somewhere in Ballyall= ey.com correct? Help me help you. Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Archived Programs >> I don't think so, don't even know what DOS is, please explain or clarify. >> Well, I suppose it might be a little easier if you just sit back and enjo= y=20 what we can do with these files. Explaining how to use DOS would require= a=20 book. Thanks for offering your help to archive the tapes, but I think your time= =20 would be put to better use by playtesting what we are able to archive. I= n=20 that case just follow the directions that Lance wrote and you will be fin= e. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:=20 http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Yahoo! 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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C225FF.E94FBB40-- From ballyalley@h... Mon Jul 08 04:35:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 11:35:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 29153 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 11:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 11:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 11:35:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:35:49 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:35:48 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 04:35:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 11:35:49.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B672D40:01C22673] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Sounds like it might be what ever controlls the 'Magic Ram' functions. >> That's the same thought I had, though I can't understand why I don't see errors with more software (shouldn't I get problems all the time). It should be noted that a couple of the expanded memory games on the multicart don't work on my machine, but it's not the multicart, because we tested the multicart on Mike White's machine and the software works fine (which surprised me). I ran a RAM test on my Blue RAM in it comes back okay. Rrr. The hardware Bally Test checks all this stuff. I really wish I had one of those units, I could really use it right about now. >> I Do have a spare Bally with a bad ram bit. Other wise in working order. We might be able to arrange something. Hate to lose my back-up though. >> Thanks for the offer, but I don't want to take your backup. That would be like shooting myself in the foot. Tom Meeks commented last year that when Astrocade (the company) was making the Astrocade again, that they did not get the masks to the custom chips from Bally (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/message/422). Tony called these masks the "keys to the kingdom." Nowadays, even the custom chips themselves are becoming "keys to the kingdom." There is no source for replacements, and that's a BAD thing. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Mon Jul 08 04:45:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 11:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 19952 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 11:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 11:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 11:45:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:45:36 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:45:36 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 04:45:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 11:45:36.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9A86620:01C22674] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I have 10 (ten) dead or very sick ASTROCADES >> You do have one, at least, that is working, right? For yourself? >> maybe there is something you can use (or anyone else), because I have given up on the idea that anyone can or will repair them. >> Well, I can't diagnose my Astrocade's problem in person, let alone any of yours through email. I'd say that out of those ten Astrocade's there must be a couple that have a good data chip. What's wrong with all your machines anyway? Did you buy them online only to get them and they were dead? >> So if you are interested in whole, part or pieces EMAIL me and I will send you what ever you think will help. >> Hmm, I would take you up on this IF I knew a little more about them. I'm too much in the dark to say "yes." If I were at your house, and we had a LONG afternoon, we could go through each console one at a time and narrow the problems down just by observation (i.e. bad power supply, bad RF, bad custom chips, etc). After this observation we could open up the Astrocade's that seem like easy fixes and swap-out parts with other Astrocades. For instance, if one of your Astrocade's has a bad power supply we could swap it with a good PS from another console. We could probably "fix" a couple this way. However, maybe all your Astrocade's have serious problems and are not fixable without replacement custom chips (or other non-swappable parts). If that were the case, even if I had all ten of your Astrocade's sitting on my desk/workbench, I would not be able to fix even one of them. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Mon Jul 08 05:02:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 12:02:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 51437 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 12:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 12:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 12:02:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:02:39 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:02:39 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Getting and Using Ballybin Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 05:02:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 12:02:39.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B5EFA30:01C22677] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Okey-dokie >> Bob, whattya say about that? Isn't that a good answer for "okay?" >> I will [need] a new tape recorder >> Maybe. You could try recording the programs into your PC from this recorder and see what happens after you run Ballybin. I wouldn't buy a recorder. I'm currently using my stereo system, and it's working fine for Ballybin. >> a double ended headphone jack (what ever that is) >> this is the same exact cable that you use currently to go from the Bally cartridge interface to the tape recorder. The only difference is that now instead of plugging the cable into your tape recorder, you will be it into "mic in" on the sound card (NOT "line in"). >> and some Audio recording software (brand ?? where?? like radio shack or a computer store??). >> If you're using Windows then click Start, click Accessories, click Entertainment, click Sound Recorder. You can use that. I mentioned this is a recent post I made yesterday. >> Ballybin I assume is somewhere in Ballyalley.com correct? >> Actually, version 1.1a of Ballybin is NOT on ballyalley.com, it's only on Bob's FTP site. Here's how to get it from Windows: 1) Click Start, click Run 2) type: ftp 68.13.98.150 3) When prompted for a User answer: Bally 4) When prompted for a Password answer: astrocade 5) Type: bin 6) Type: lcd c:\ 7) Type: get ballybin_v1.1a.zip 8) Type: bye You now have ballybin on your C: drive. If you have a windows unzip program installed, then just double-click on the file 'ballybin_v1.1a' and it will walk you through the process. If when you double-click the file nothing happens, then download winzip from www.winzip.com Wheh! I hope that helps... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ward.shrake@w... Mon Jul 08 09:59:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 16:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 81065 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 16:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 16:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 16:59:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 16:59:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:59:09 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bally game reviews Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 882 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Howdy. Forgive this if it is an ignorant question, but are there any individual game reviews that are easily accessible to the public, anywhere? If not, the "Digital Press" web site solicits game reviews, and there are only two of them up there. Seems like there should be more? If you guys are serious about scaring up more interested gamers, and/or trying to convert Atari 2600'ites, that'd be one way? The DP site just added an emulation section for the Astrocade, with screenshots and ROMs for downloading. (Wasn't me, wasn't Adam; not sure who else might have helped? Maybe Lance and/or his FAQ?) I guess I'm just all excited about it, since it looks so neat to have nice clean screenshots all lined up, in a place where gamers frequent, and could potentially "be hooked" by finding stuff sorta by accident? http://www.digitpress.com/index2.htm -- Ward Shrake -- From ballyalley@h... Mon Jul 08 12:19:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 19:19:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 95898 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 19:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 19:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.127) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 19:19:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:19:13 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 19:19:13 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally game reviews Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:19:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 19:19:13.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[586A5E90:01C226B4] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Howdy. Forgive this if it is an ignorant question, but are there any individual game reviews that are easily accessible to the public, anywhere? >> No, there are not. I did retype many reviews from the Arcadian- but those are in one file, and don't have a modern feel to them at all. >> If not, the "Digital Press" web site solicits game reviews, and there are only two of them up there. Seems like there should be more? If you guys are serious about scaring up more interested gamers, and/or trying to convert Atari 2600'ites, that'd be one way? >> A what? An Atari 2600? Hmm. Never heard of it. Is that made by Sony? Actually, I'm not trying to win anyone over. If too many people like the Astrocade then there won't be any working units left for spares... [I'm only half-kidding here]. I don't write reviews too much anymore, though I would be very interested to read Astrocade reviews of tape games (Lance, you should do L.T.-- you made it to level 4 and kept on going. But why did you compare it to E.T. on the VCS?; I didn't notice anything similar between the two games.) >> The DP site just added an emulation section for the Astrocade, with screenshots and ROMs for downloading. >> Over the past year I've had quite a few people ask me for ROM images, and I always refuse- here's your chance to get some emulation experience with the Astrocade. It's pretty good- though my favorite Astrocade game, "Dog Patch," is about impossible to play with a mouse. Oh, and try using BASIC- that's fun to do with the PC keyboard. >> I guess I'm just all excited about it, since it looks so neat to have nice clean screenshots all lined up, in a place where gamers frequent, and could potentially "be hooked" by finding stuff sorta by accident? >> I took a look at the area that Ward is talking about and you will find that it is pretty neat. The forward is from the D.P. Guide version 6; if you haven't read that, then it's worth heading over there just for that alone (it's written by Bob Fabris). Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Mon Jul 08 17:35:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 00:35:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 22922 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 00:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 00:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 00:35:43 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020709003527.DPIH18868.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:35:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2A2F6C.1060601@s...> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:33:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally game reviews References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > The DP site just added an emulation section for the Astrocade, with > screenshots and ROMs for downloading. (Wasn't me, wasn't Adam; not > sure who else might have helped? Maybe Lance and/or his FAQ?) I guess > I'm just all excited about it, since it looks so neat to have nice > clean screenshots all lined up, in a place where gamers frequent, and > could potentially "be hooked" by finding stuff sorta by accident? > Not Guilty! I have know idea where they got this stuff. The screen shots are all MESS captures. (Pixel perfect but no border area.) The forward is by Rob Fabris, creator of the Arcadian news letters. Weather he had a hand in this of no, I coulden't say. Lance From fmillera@p... Mon Jul 08 19:36:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 02:36:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 19397 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 02:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 02:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 02:36:20 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.246.70]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYY00DPHN8ILU@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 19:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 19:36:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020708193326.00ab8a30@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 04:35 AM 7/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> >Sounds like it might be what ever controlls the 'Magic Ram' functions. > >> > >That's the same thought I had, though I can't understand why I don't see >errors with more software (shouldn't I get problems all the time). It >should be noted that a couple of the expanded memory games on the multicart >don't work on my machine, but it's not the multicart, because we tested the >multicart on Mike White's machine and the software works fine (which >surprised me). I ran a RAM test on my Blue RAM in it comes back okay. Rrr. > >The hardware Bally Test checks all this stuff. I really wish I had one of >those units, I could really use it right about now. > > >> >I Do have a spare Bally with a bad ram bit. Other wise in working order. > >We might be able to arrange something. Hate to lose my back-up though. > >> > >Thanks for the offer, but I don't want to take your backup. That would be >like shooting myself in the foot. > >Tom Meeks commented last year that when Astrocade (the company) was making >the Astrocade again, that they did not get the masks to the custom chips >from Bally (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/message/422). Tony >called these masks the "keys to the kingdom." Nowadays, even the custom >chips themselves are becoming "keys to the kingdom." There is no source for >replacements, and that's a BAD thing. Even if the masks were available, there are no silicon foundries running that old process any more (7 or 10 micron NMOS). Thus, the masks are useless. The best possibility is the FPGA project discussed a few months back, which evidently isn't going anywhere. It might make some sense to do a small FPGA data chip replacement which would be on a PC board which would then plug into where the data chip lives on a BPA. Any thoughts from the group along these lines? Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From lasrtt@g... Mon Jul 08 19:51:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 02:51:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 81287 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 02:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 02:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 02:51:02 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYYNX003.BBY for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:51:00 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.127.103]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYYNWZ03.D8W for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:50:59 -0800 Message-ID: <005f01c226f2$b6dbe280$da20fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Ward's multicarts and back-orders Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:45:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C226AF.A810C9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C226AF.A810C9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ward: Thank you so very much for not forgetting me and my wanting one of your= multicarts, I am very patient(?) and will wait until the cows come home or= I'm to old to play them (LOL). All kidding aside I really appreicate your remembering. Rick.... P.s. Spelling is not my strong suit.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: commie_fan=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Ward's multicarts and back-orders (Rick said:) >> I am trying to pick up a >> mulitcart but so far no luck. (Adam said:)=20 > There is no luck involved here.=20 > Ya just gotta purchase one. > Ward's got'em! Actually, both Rick and Adam are partially correct, on this. Rick had=20 contacted me some few weeks ago, regarding possibly purchasing an=20 Astrocade multicart, only to be told that I did not have any that=20 were fully assembled and ready to go at that time.=20 This is just one of the unfortunate things associated with making a=20 limited production of something, entirely by hand. I originally=20 thought I'd have some made up relatively quickly, but time passed,=20 with Rick patiently waiting. Sorry about that, Rick! I have not=20 forgotten you or your request, even if it seems like I may have. I had four etched and drilled multicart PC boards mostly done when he=20 contacted me, but nothing much had happened since then. I did figure=20 out my laughably-risky financial situation, after paying this month's=20 bills, and felt safe enough in ordering some raw parts, which should=20 arrive early this coming week. With those raw parts in hand, I can=20 then continue working on them. But honestly, if the CGE event was not=20 around the corner, I could not have taken the parts-ordering risk. I=20 have no guarantee that I'll even get my expense money back, etc. I still am not sure what I'm going to do about my stupid printer=20 dying on me; I have three Arcadia 2001 multicarts (slower sellers)=20 sitting here, with no labels, and not much I can really do about it. And don't even ask about the planned multicarts for the Commodore VIC- 20 machine! I had to steal the EPROM chip out of my one and only=20 prototype cart, just to fill my last paid orders of the other carts. Yes, poverty truly sucks. But life goes on.... -- Ward Shrake -- Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C226AF.A810C9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ward:
    Thank you so very much = for not=20 forgetting me and my wanting one of your multicarts, I am very patient(?) a= nd=20 will wait until the cows come home or I'm to old to play them=20 (LOL).
    All kidding aside I rea= lly=20 appreicate your remembering.
Rick....
   P.s. Spelling is not my stron= g=20 suit. 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 commie_fan
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:49 P= M
Subject: [ballyalley] Ward's multi= carts=20 and back-orders

(Rick said:)

>> I am trying to pick up=20 a
>> mulitcart but so far no luck.

(Adam said:)

&= gt;=20 There is no luck involved here.
> Ya just gotta purchase one.
&= gt;=20 Ward's got'em!


Actually, both Rick and Adam are partially corr= ect,=20 on this. Rick had
contacted me some few weeks ago, regarding possibly= =20 purchasing an
Astrocade multicart, only to be told that I did not hav= e any=20 that
were fully assembled and ready to go at that time.

This = is=20 just one of the unfortunate things associated with making a
limited=20 production of something, entirely by hand. I originally
thought I'd h= ave=20 some made up relatively quickly, but time passed,
with Rick patiently= =20 waiting. Sorry about that, Rick! I have not
forgotten you or your req= uest,=20 even if it seems like I may have.

I had four etched and drilled=20 multicart PC boards mostly done when he
contacted me, but nothing muc= h had=20 happened since then. I did figure
out my laughably-risky financial=20 situation, after paying this month's
bills, and felt safe enough in=20 ordering some raw parts, which should
arrive early this coming week. = With=20 those raw parts in hand, I can
then continue working on them. But=20 honestly, if the CGE event was not
around the corner, I could not hav= e=20 taken the parts-ordering risk. I
have no guarantee that I'll even get= my=20 expense money back, etc.

I still am not sure what I'm going to do = about=20 my stupid printer
dying on me; I have three Arcadia 2001 multicarts=20 (slower sellers)
sitting here, with no labels, and not much I can rea= lly=20 do about it.

And don't even ask about the planned multicarts for t= he=20 Commodore VIC-
20 machine! I had to steal the EPROM chip out of my one= and=20 only
prototype cart, just to fill my last paid orders of the other=20 carts.

Yes, poverty truly sucks. But life goes on....

-- Wa= rd=20 Shrake --


Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C226AF.A810C9C0-- From lasrtt@g... Mon Jul 08 20:08:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 03:08:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 52653 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 03:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 03:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 03:08:22 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYYOPV02.9FH for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:08:19 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.127.103]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYYOPV00.S9S for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:08:19 -0800 Message-ID: <009601c226f5$2a61f120$da20fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Getting and Using Ballybin Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:03:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01C226B2.196E7A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C226B2.196E7A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yea me to. Rick..... Uh hope that helps.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Trionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:02 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Getting and Using Ballybin >> Okey-dokie >> Bob, whattya say about that? Isn't that a good answer for "okay?" >> I will [need] a new tape recorder >> Maybe. You could try recording the programs into your PC from this recor= der=20 and see what happens after you run Ballybin. I wouldn't buy a recorder. = =20 I'm currently using my stereo system, and it's working fine for Ballybin. >> a double ended headphone jack (what ever that is) >> this is the same exact cable that you use currently to go from the Bally= =20 cartridge interface to the tape recorder. The only difference is that no= w=20 instead of plugging the cable into your tape recorder, you will be it int= o=20 "mic in" on the sound card (NOT "line in"). >> and some Audio recording software (brand ?? where?? like radio shack or a= =20 computer store??). >> If you're using Windows then click Start, click Accessories, click=20 Entertainment, click Sound Recorder. You can use that. I mentioned this= is=20 a recent post I made yesterday. >> Ballybin I assume is somewhere in Ballyalley.com correct? >> Actually, version 1.1a of Ballybin is NOT on ballyalley.com, it's only on= =20 Bob's FTP site. Here's how to get it from Windows: 1) Click Start, click Run 2) type: ftp 68.13.98.150 3) When prompted for a User answer: Bally 4) When prompted for a Password answer: astrocade 5) Type: bin 6) Type: lcd c:\ 7) Type: get ballybin_v1.1a.zip 8) Type: bye You now have ballybin on your C: drive. If you have a windows unzip prog= ram=20 installed, then just double-click on the file 'ballybin_v1.1a' and it wil= l=20 walk you through the process. If when you double-click the file nothing= =20 happens, then download winzip from www.winzip.com Wheh! I hope that helps... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C226B2.196E7A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yea me to.
Rick.....
Uh hope that helps. 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 = Adam=20 Trionfo
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:02 A= M
Subject: [ballyalley] Getting and = Using=20 Ballybin

>>
Okey-dokie
>>

Bob, whattya= say=20 about that?  Isn't that a good answer for "okay?"

>>I=20 will [need] a new tape recorder
>>

Maybe.  You could= try=20 recording the programs into your PC from this recorder
and see what=20 happens after you run Ballybin.  I wouldn't buy a recorder.  I'm=20 currently using my stereo system, and it's working fine for=20 Ballybin.

>>
a double ended headphone jack (what ever tha= t=20 is)
>>

this is the same exact cable that you use currentl= y to=20 go from the Bally
cartridge interface to the tape recorder.  The= only=20 difference is that now
instead of plugging the cable into your tape=20 recorder, you will be it into
"mic in" on the sound card (NOT "line=20 in").

>>
and some Audio recording software (brand ?? wher= e??=20 like radio shack or a
computer store??).
>>

If you're= =20 using Windows then click Start, click Accessories, click
Entertainmen= t,=20 click Sound Recorder.  You can use that.  I mentioned this is <= BR>a=20 recent post I made yesterday.

>>
Ballybin I assume is=20 somewhere in Ballyalley.com correct?
>>

Actually, version= 1.1a=20 of Ballybin is NOT on ballyalley.com, it's only on
Bob's FTP site.&nb= sp;=20 Here's how to get it from Windows:

1)  Click Start, click=20 Run
2)  type: ftp 68.13.98.150
3)  When prompted for a Us= er=20 answer: Bally
4)  When prompted for a Password answer:=20 astrocade
5)  Type: bin
6)  Type: lcd c:\
7)  Typ= e:=20 get ballybin_v1.1a.zip
8)  Type: bye

You now have ballybin= on=20 your C: drive.  If you have a windows unzip program
installed, t= hen=20 just double-click on the file 'ballybin_v1.1a' and it will
walk you=20 through the process.  If when you double-click the file nothing=20
happens, then download winzip from www.winzip.com

Wheh!  = I=20 hope that=20 helps...

Adam

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------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C226B2.196E7A20-- From lasrtt@g... Mon Jul 08 20:15:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 03:15:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 27911 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 03:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 03:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 03:15:37 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYYP1Z00.Q8Z for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:15:35 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.127.103]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYYP1Y00.F8Z for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:15:34 -0800 Message-ID: <00a401c226f6$2e7c3ee0$da20fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:10:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka I have three that work great. You are invited to spend a weekend a week a forthnight or what ever you can get away for. I had a couple (4) that have dropped dead over the years, and got some that arrived dead on EBAY, and some that lasted for a while from EBAY, now that I think about it I have wasted a lot on money on EBAY. If you are interested I could mail them all to you and you could use whatever you could use and maybe EVEN fix one or two for me, if you'r interested let me know and we can work something out. Rick..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bad Data Chip (I think), anyone got one to spare? > >> > I have 10 (ten) dead or very sick ASTROCADES > >> > > You do have one, at least, that is working, right? For yourself? > > >> > maybe there is something you can use (or anyone else), because I have given > up on the idea that anyone can or will repair them. > >> > > Well, I can't diagnose my Astrocade's problem in person, let alone any of > yours through email. I'd say that out of those ten Astrocade's there must > be a couple that have a good data chip. What's wrong with all your machines > anyway? Did you buy them online only to get them and they were dead? > > >> > So if you are interested in whole, part or pieces EMAIL me and I will send > you what ever you think will help. > >> > > Hmm, I would take you up on this IF I knew a little more about them. I'm > too much in the dark to say "yes." If I were at your house, and we had a > LONG afternoon, we could go through each console one at a time and narrow > the problems down just by observation (i.e. bad power supply, bad RF, bad > custom chips, etc). After this observation we could open up the Astrocade's > that seem like easy fixes and swap-out parts with other Astrocades. For > instance, if one of your Astrocade's has a bad power supply we could swap it > with a good PS from another console. We could probably "fix" a couple this > way. However, maybe all your Astrocade's have serious problems and are not > fixable without replacement custom chips (or other non-swappable parts). If > that were the case, even if I had all ten of your Astrocade's sitting on my > desk/workbench, I would not be able to fix even one of them. > > Adam > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From rcolbert@c... Mon Jul 08 20:34:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 03:34:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 94935 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 03:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 03:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 03:34:07 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020709033405.UTOZ3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:34:05 -0400 To: Subject: Success! Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:34:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C226CF.99466B50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C226CF.99466B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finally! I was able to write a .bin file with ballyBin and then use the .bin file to recreate a working .wav file. I still need to clean up the code a bit, but it seems to work well so far. I'm going to bed! Bob ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C226CF.99466B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Finally!  I was able to write a .bin file with ballyBin and t= hen use=20 the .bin file to recreate a working .wav file.  I still need to clean = up=20 the code a bit, but it seems to work well so far.  I'm going to=20 bed!
 
 
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<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C226CF.99466B50-- From komb@s... Mon Jul 08 20:50:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 03:50:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 84193 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 03:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 03:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.189) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 03:50:56 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020709035028.YYLO8711.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:50:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2A5D2C.6060900@s...> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:49:00 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Success! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > Finally! I was able to write a .bin file with ballyBin and then use the > .bin file to recreate a working .wav file. I still need to clean up the > code a bit, but it seems to work well so far. I'm going to bed! > > > Bob > Whoo Hoo! Chears! From lasrtt@g... Mon Jul 08 21:02:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 04:02:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 61358 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 04:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 04:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 04:02:26 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYYR8101.LEK for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:02:25 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.127.103]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GYYR8001.590 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:02:24 -0800 Message-ID: <004f01c226fc$b8e19200$da20fea9@t...> To: References: <3D2A5D2C.6060900@s...> Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Success! Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:57:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C226B9.AA1FA100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C226B9.AA1FA100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This sounds like a good thing, what do he mean???? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lance F. Squire=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Success! Bob Colbert wrote: > Finally! I was able to write a .bin file with ballyBin and then use th= e=20 > .bin file to recreate a working .wav file. I still need to clean up th= e=20 > code a bit, but it seems to work well so far. I'm going to bed! >=20=20 >=20=20 > Bob >=20 Whoo Hoo! Chears! Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C226B9.AA1FA100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This sounds like a good thing, what do he= =20 mean????
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Fro= m:=20 Lance F. S= quire=20
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Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Success!=

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> .bin file to=20 recreate a working .wav file.  I still need to clean up the
>= code=20 a bit, but it seems to work well so far.  I'm going to bed!
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> =20
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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C226B9.AA1FA100-- From ward.shrake@w... Tue Jul 09 00:58:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 07:58:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 55351 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 07:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 07:58:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 07:58:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 07:58:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:58:46 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Success! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.43 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Bob Colbert" wrote: > Finally! I was able to write a .bin > file with ballyBin and then use the > .bin file to recreate a working .wav > file. I still need to clean up the > code a bit, but it seems to work well > so far. I'm going to bed! > > > Bob Good going, Bob. Cool. Not to pressure you or anything -- snicker! -- but if you're looking for basically all of the ROM images we have as a group, I can point you to them? (Not the DP stuff; lots more.) Ward Shrake From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 09 03:54:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 10:54:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 61322 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 10:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 10:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.152) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 10:54:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:54:56 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:54:56 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally game reviews Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:54:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 10:54:56.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FDEA810:01C22737] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Lance wrote: >> Not Guilty! >> I think Joe did it. It is HIS website afterall. >> I have know idea where they got this stuff. The screen shots are all MESS captures. (Pixel perfect but no border area.) >> I like MESS screenshots. I can't think of any cartridge where the player needs to see the border area- can you. >> The forward is by Rob Fabris, creator of the Arcadian news letters. Weather he had a hand in this of no, I coulden't say. >> No, that forward is old news. He wrote it at least two years ago. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 09 04:18:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 11:18:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 50759 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 11:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 11:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.227) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 11:18:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:18:03 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:18:03 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Data Chip Replacements? Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:18:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 11:18:03.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ADDC6F0:01C2273A] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Tony Miller wrote: >> Even if the masks were available, there are no silicon foundries running that old process any more (7 or 10 micron NMOS). Thus, the masks are useless. >> I didn't know that. I wasn't thinking along those lines though. Even if the masks were in my possession and a factory existed that could take them from me and could make the datachips, doesn't that cost an awful LOT of money? Wouldn't I need to order, at least, thousands of pieces? >> The best possibility is the FPGA project discussed a few months back, which evidently isn't going anywhere. It might make some sense to do a small FPGA data chip replacement which would be on a PC board which would then plug into where the data chip lives on a BPA. Any thoughts from the group along these lines? >> That would be a logical start to the fabled Astrocade II, since the datachip needs to be done this way anyway (though, the thinking was that all three chips would be done at once). The Astrocade II is huge project, this would just be a stepping stone on the way... almost a proof of concept. [James, Matthew- are you listening?] Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 09 04:38:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 11:38:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 59758 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 11:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 11:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 11:38:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:38:23 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:38:22 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Success! Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:38:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 11:38:23.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[21C34990:01C2273D] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Finally! I was able to write a .bin file with ballyBin and then use the .bin file to recreate a working .wav file. I still need to clean up the code a bit, but it seems to work well so far. >> This opens the door to MANY interesting projects. I wonder if the group understands just where this could lead? With this step, Ballybin becomes more than a program to "just" archive Astrocade tapes, it becomes a tool to use a PC as a cross-development system to create small projects that will load into the Astrocade's small amount of RAM. The pursuit of an expanded memory project now has a path that is clearly laid out. This group has discussed a memory add-on for the 50-pin connector, but one of the problems has been how would you load programs into it. We've known all along that using the Astrobasic connector would be possible, but it seemed kind of hopeless, since most people could never get a program to save or load properly. That's all changed now; suddenly the idea of adding RAM to the Astrocade makes sense. There's no need to add support for a direct connection to the PC for a memory expansion- Bob has provided a utility that will allow hardware already in existance (Astrobasic) to work with new a memory expansion device. Using Astrobasic's ability to load a program into the any memory area is all that we would need to do to load a program into an expanded memory device (i.e. with the command :INPUT %(24576), Astrobasic loads a program to 24576 decimal (6000 hex)- the beginning of the Blue Ram's memory). I look forward to using this program on my Astrocade. >> I'm going to bed! >> You know, when I've been working on a project (programming or otherwise), even when I'm dead tired I have a restless night sleeping because the project is still on my mind. How's that work for you? [maybe this is a WEIRD question?] Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 09 05:02:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 12:02:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 307 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 12:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 12:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.76) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 12:02:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:02:17 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:02:16 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Success! Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 05:02:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 12:02:17.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[785A9DF0:01C22740] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> This sounds like a good thing >> Yes, this is a "good thing." >> what do [you] mean???? >> Well, basically, Bob has created a program that not only will allow us to archive the tapes (that is, make digitally perfect copies, but without us knowing what "in" them), but now we don't have to work blind. We can look, if we want (and I do!), at what the Astrocade "sees" in its memory. The binary file is also VERY small compared to the wav file (it's a good way to store the files, though the zipped wav files are in many cases deflated by 99%!). For the user that just wants to make archives of his programs, this may not sound like a very useful feature. The real power of what Bob has done comes into play under special circumstances. 1) Let's say you want to "hack" a game; you can usually do this from BASIC. Some programs, like those from Wavemakers, have copy protection- they don't allow the programs to be saved at all once they are loaded. Well, now Bob has put the power into our hands to modify the binary file. Not only can we modify the BASIC program, but since the Astrocade stores ALL data (variables, strings, etc.) along with a program, we can modify those too. 2) Where I see this ability to use binary files really coming into its own is with machine language programming. I am very curious to see if I can take a binary image of say, "The Incredible Wizard," and use Ballybin to create a wav that I can load into my Blue Ram (this is just what I did with "Dog Patch" the other day, but I needed the Blue Ram and Ballybin, together, to do it). If this works, then all the doors have been blown open! It will be possible to create cartridges that load into an expanded memory device- or, for us average folks (who don't have expanded RAM), we can loaded smaller ML programs into BASIC without needing to use BASIC to POKE the digits manually into memory. This is just a short overview of what Bob has been working on, and what for... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From jwkrych@n... Tue Jul 09 08:48:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 15:48:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 42201 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 15:48:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 15:48:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:48:45 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: FPGA Project Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 542 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 207.247.23.83 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 I thought I could add in a few things. Matt, the FPGA designer, has been extremely busy with his job at Keithley, but we do keep in touch in regards to the FPGA Project. I think that a brute-force replacement project is the best way to go-3 custom chips=3 FPGA's replicating their functions. Congrats on the use of Ballybin and the successfull loading of programs to the BPA. That does make loading of progams much easier now. Regards, Jim p.s. Plus, I have been busy waiting for the investor for my company and the Devastator... From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 09 11:03:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 18:03:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 59899 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 18:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 18:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 18:03:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:03:06 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:03:06 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: 'New Ghost' program archived Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:03:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 18:03:06.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0A044F0:01C22772] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo "New Ghost" is actually called "Halloween Ghost." It was written by J. Wilkinson and appears in volume two of the "Arcadian" on page 104. The description follows: "'Halloween Ghost' is a self-running program that is topical. The author sets up a TV at a window near his front door, and the program, a "talking" skull, makes snide remarks about the people going by. It re-cycles, and uses random statements on the screen, shifting colors as well." I knew I'd seen mention of this program in the "Arcadian-" I just didn't realize the program was in there too. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 09 17:18:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 12648 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:18:51 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:18:51 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] FPGA Project Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:18:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 00:18:51.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E179260:01C227A7] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Jim Krych wrote: >> I think that a brute-force replacement project is the best way to go-3 custom chips=3 FPGA's replicating their functions. >> Can you explain why it would be easier to do all of the chips at once rather then to do them one at a time? It seems that testing the dataship in a REAL Astrocade would be an IDEAL test- even if only once and these are not made for distribution. >> p.s. Plus, I have been busy waiting for the investor for my company and the Devastator... >> Maybe you can slip an Astrocade II into the Devestator as a "free" gift. [wink] Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From jwkrych@n... Tue Jul 09 18:19:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 01:19:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 92781 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 01:19:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 01:19:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:19:47 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FPGA Project Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1185 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.66.46.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Hey Adam! I agree that three separate FPGA's would be better, even if a bit wasteful, since so many gates are available on low-end FPGA's. And, we can easily test the new chips out too-if even a little bit of a kludge for the FPGA to the DIP package of the custom chips. Perhaps, in regards to the Astrocade II. Regards, Jim --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > Jim Krych wrote: > >> > I think that a brute-force replacement project is the best way to go-3 > custom chips=3 FPGA's replicating their functions. > >> > > Can you explain why it would be easier to do all of the chips at once rather > then to do them one at a time? It seems that testing the dataship in a REAL > Astrocade would be an IDEAL test- even if only once and these are not made > for distribution. > > >> > p.s. Plus, I have been busy waiting for the investor for my company > and the Devastator... > >> > > Maybe you can slip an Astrocade II into the Devestator as a "free" gift. > [wink] > > Adam > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 09 18:47:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 01:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 81830 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 01:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 01:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.94) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 01:47:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:47:03 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:47:02 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Astrocade, Xonox, Atari and John Perkins Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:47:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 01:47:03.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0798B60:01C227B3] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I read this little tid-bit in the "Arcadian" (Vol. V, pg. 121): "ARTILLERY DUEL in another form: Designer John Perkins has revamped his popular game for a company called Xonox, who produce novel cartridges with a connector at each end, to allow for two games in each box. At any rate, they make games for Atari and other machines, so you are liable to see those little guys marching out on almost anybody's screen." That shook me. How much of the programming did John do? I mean, come on, John Perkins and Clyde Perkins (John's father) were Perkins Engineering, the people that made the Blue Ram RAM expansion. I checked Atariage.com, and sure enough, John Perkins is listed as the programmer for Artillery Duel. Check out this link: http://www.atariage.com/software_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=997 Now, here's the even stranger part: click on John's name: he programmed a total of four cartridges for Xonox! They are: Artillery Duel Artillery Duel / Chuck Norris Superkicks Artillery Duel / Ghost Manor Artillery Duel / Spike's Peak Now, that is some NEAT information! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From fmillera@p... Tue Jul 09 19:21:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 02:21:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 48013 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 02:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 02:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 02:21:03 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.240.180]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ0000W5H71E4@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:21:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Data Chip Replacements? In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020709192021.00ab7d00@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 04:18 AM 7/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Tony Miller wrote: > >> >Even if the masks were available, there are no silicon foundries running >that old process any more (7 or 10 micron NMOS). Thus, the masks are >useless. > >> > >I didn't know that. I wasn't thinking along those lines though. Even if >the masks were in my possession and a factory existed that could take them >from me and could make the datachips, doesn't that cost an awful LOT of >money? Wouldn't I need to order, at least, thousands of pieces? Yes indeed. Cheers, Tony Miller > >> >The best possibility is the FPGA project discussed a few months back, which >evidently isn't going anywhere. It might make some sense to do a small FPGA >data chip replacement which would be on a PC board which would then plug >into where the data chip lives on a BPA. Any thoughts from the group along >these lines? > >> > >That would be a logical start to the fabled Astrocade II, since the datachip >needs to be done this way anyway (though, the thinking was that all three >chips would be done at once). The Astrocade II is huge project, this would >just be a stepping stone on the way... almost a proof of concept. > >[James, Matthew- are you listening?] > >Adam > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From komb@s... Tue Jul 09 20:26:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 03:26:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 27783 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 03:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 03:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 03:26:32 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020710032615.EVWE18868.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:26:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2BA8F4.6030606@s...> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 23:24:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally game reviews References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > > I like MESS screenshots. I can't think of any cartridge where the player > needs to see the border area- can you. > > You'll notice some of the images seem unbalanced or off center. This is because the border is part of the image design. Without the border they look incompleate. Look at the captures and at an actual display. You'll see what I meen. Lance From rcolbert@c... Tue Jul 09 21:39:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 04:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 83588 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 04:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 04:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao08.cox.net) (68.1.17.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 04:39:45 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020710043944.GVNJ4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@b...> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:39:44 -0500 To: Subject: ballybin and astrowav v1.1b(alpha) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:39:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C227A1.E8488580" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020709192021.00ab7d00@p...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C227A1.E8488580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Thought I'd let you know that I have a new version of ballybin and the inital version of astrowav on the ftp site. Please keep in mind that this is an alpha version. I've tweaked with the file format a bit, and there is no guarantee that the binary files created with this version ballybin will be supported in the future. This is for testing purposes only. Here is an example of how to use the programs assuming that ballybin.exe, astrowav.exe, and lt-tape.wav are all in the same directory: ballybin -blt.bin lt-tape.wav This creates lt.bin, an about 20k file containing the 5 loads from the lt-tape.wav file astrowav -m -w new.wav lt.bin This creates 5 .wav files, new_1.wav through new_5.wav. These files should load fine on your Astrocade. The code still needs some more testing and tweaking, but I thought I'd let anyone interested play with it. You'll notice that it takes longer for the .wav files to load, that's because the original header length (the solid tone you hear before the data on the tape) is maintained. In my previous version, an arbitrary length is used. There will be an option to create the .wav file with any header length you specify, in the near future :) Have Fun! Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C227A1.E8488580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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astrowav -m -w new.wav lt.bin
This=20 creates 5 .wav files, new_1.wav through new_5.wav.  These files should= load=20 fine on your Astrocade.
 
The=20 code still needs some more testing and tweaking, but I thought I'd let anyo= ne=20 interested play with it.  You'll notice that it takes longer for the .= wav=20 files to load, that's because the original header length (the solid tone yo= u=20 hear before the data on the tape) is maintained.  In my previous versi= on,=20 an arbitrary length is used.  There will be an option to create the .w= av=20 file with any header length you specify, in the near future=20 :)
 
        =        =20 Have Fun!
 
        =             &nb= sp;  =20 Bob
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X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 12:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 99268 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 12:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 12:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.173) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 12:59:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:59:03 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:59:03 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: FPGA Project Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:59:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 12:59:03.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[913A3020:01C22811] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Jim wrote: >> I agree that three separate FPGA's would be better, even if a bit wasteful, since so many gates are available on low-end FPGA's. And, we can easily test the new chips out too-if even a little bit of a kludge for the FPGA to the DIP package of the custom chips. >> Well, I presume that you will pass this info onto Matthew. I'd like to know what he thinks of three separate chips. Could he combine them onto one chip later (for the Astrocade II), or would that mean doing it all over again? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Wed Jul 10 06:16:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 13:16:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 46103 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 13:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 13:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.193) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 13:16:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:16:18 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:16:18 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Best of Arcadian 1980 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:16:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 13:16:18.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA345AE0:01C22813] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Using Ballybin, it only took about thirty minutes to make a wav file of the Astrocade tape "Best of Arcadian 1980," separate the file into all eleven programs, load and playtest (quickly) each program and then rename the files. Just thirty minutes! Can you believe that? I'm still reeling... I have not officially archived this tape yet because I want to retype the instruction sheet that came with this group of programs. I'll work on that today. Now, will someone please explain (or give a hint) to me why I can load all eleven of these programs and use them without any graphic errors, yet I get graphic glitches with L.T.? Maybe L.T. is using one of the on-board ROM routines (these early programs from 1980 are probably NOT doing that). Anyway- this STILL needs investigation. At least I can archive programs still... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From fmillera@p... Wed Jul 10 15:25:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 22:25:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 70685 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 22:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 22:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 22:25:04 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.245.57]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ200G8C0XPG4@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:25:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: FPGA Project In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020710151914.00a972b0@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 05:59 AM 7/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Jim wrote: > >> >I agree that three separate FPGA's would be better, even if a bit wasteful, >since so many gates are available on low-end FPGA's. And, we can easily test >the new chips out too-if even a little bit of a kludge for the FPGA to the >DIP package of the custom chips. > >> > >Well, I presume that you will pass this info onto Matthew. I'd like to know >what he thinks of three separate chips. Could he combine them onto one chip >later (for the Astrocade II), or would that mean doing it all over again? I'm not aware of any FPGAs with built-in D/A converters, so this means there will be at least four chips to replace the data chip (the FPGA itself, and three video D/As). The I/O chip needs a D/A for each channel (don't recall how many there are, but there is only a single Audio out pin), plus A/Ds or comparators for the control knobs, depending upon implementation. However, it is very possible to implement the digital portion of all three chips in a single FPGA, at a cost unknown until we come up with a gate count. Cheers, Tony Miller >Adam > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From komb@s... Wed Jul 10 15:28:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 22:28:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 67725 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 22:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 22:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 22:28:15 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020710222755.ZDBL18351.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:27:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2CB489.8030408@s...> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:26:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Best of Arcadian 1980 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian > > Now, will someone please explain (or give a hint) to me why I can load all > eleven of these programs and use them without any graphic errors, yet I get > graphic glitches with L.T.? Maybe L.T. is using one of the on-board ROM > routines (these early programs from 1980 are probably NOT doing that). > Anyway- this STILL needs investigation. At least I can archive programs > still... > I'll give it a shot... 1. The custom chips are fine. As you stated before it should affect everything ig the custom ships had a problem. Q1. Did the memory test you did test all of the on-board ram? or just the basic/screen area. Theroy pending on answer to Q1: The program is using a 'chardis' type routine to place the graphics. If it's storing these graphics at the bottom of the stack area...(Usually end of on-board memory). The last few bytes of ram my be having problems, however as they are almost never used in normal operation it dosen't normally show, and is always hidden from view by the blanking line. or. That rom version do you have? It may be wrighting to that ram for some reason. The later is less likely, both are just things to think about... But I think it would be safe to say the custom ships are probabily ok. Lance. From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 11 07:32:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 14:32:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 41356 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 14:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 14:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 14:32:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:32:29 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:32:29 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] ballybin and astrowav v1.1b(alpha) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:32:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 14:32:29.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8E9B0F0:01C228E7] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Thought I'd let you know that I have a new version of ballybin and the inital version of astrowav on the ftp site. >> I've tried it, and the two programs work together well. I have have gone back and re-archived the eleven programs from the "Best of Arcadian 1980" tape without any problems. Here are some comments: 1) When ballybin 1.1b is run, it still states that it is version 1.1a 2) Yes, some of the programs do take longer to load because of the extra time of the header tone from program to program. I listened to each header tone of these eleven programs; they last from three to ten seconds- I thought three seconds was the Astrobasic standard. Regardless, of the length of time for the the header tone, each wav created with Astrowav loads fine. 3) Don't try to use ballybin 1.1b with the -m option anymore, it "understands" it, but it doesn't work anymore- it stops when it gets to the second program. This is fine for now, as astrowav is able to break the programs into separate wav files. 4) I looked at the output binary file created by ballybin 1.1b- I like it. You can actually see the BASIC program in there (Lance, check it out!). 5) As for the header length size option in a "near future" version, I suggest a default of three seconds. The wav files with this length loaded just fine. From my experience with using makewav on the Atari 2600, I do know that different Superchargers can have trouble loading the same wav file that works just fine on another Supercharger (makewav allows for the "speed" of the load to be controlled). This header tone option might prove useful for troublesome Astrobasic carts- so it's a good idea to include it. 6) I'm not going to archive anymore tapes until I get a couple of nods that the output from version 1.1b works for other users (I can't see why it wouldn't). I'll upload "Best of the Arcadian 1980" today, with docs (which I retyped yesterday) as an example. 7) Here are some further tests I'm going to run with Ballybin 1.1b: a) Place a machine language routine in memory, and then see if it is where I expect it to be in the binary file. In other words, I want to make sure that the BASIC memory map "lines up." When I try this, I'll let you know. b) Examine the binary file a bit more, see if I can make any further suggestions. Bob, is there anything else you would like me to look at? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 11 08:40:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 15:40:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26252 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 15:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 15:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.150) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 15:40:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:40:03 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:40:03 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Best of Arcadian Programs 1980' Tape archived Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:40:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 15:40:03.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[39633EB0:01C228F1] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 'Best of Arcadian Programs 1980' Tape archived I used Ballybin 1.1b and Astrowav 1.0 to archive a collection of Astrocade BASIC tape programs. A full explanation about the programs is below. Load it up and have fun with it! It is called 'best_of_arcadian_1980.zip' and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/ Adam Astrocade Tape Program Archive Record ------------------------------------- Tape Name: Best of Arcadian Programs 1980 Filename: best_of_arcadian_1980.zip Released by: Arcadian Format: Astrobasic, 2000 baud Archived with: Ballybin 1.1b (alpha) and astrowav 1.0 by Bob Colbert Archived by: Adam Trionfo Archive Date: July 11, 2002 Description ----------- This is a collection of eleven 2000 baud BASIC program for use with a Bally Astrocade and Astrobasic. The programs are: 1) Arcadian "Best of 1980" Logo 7) Hamurabi 2) Artillery Duel 8) O-Jello 3) BOTS 9) Sub Search 4) Bowl-a-Rama 10) 2000 AD 5) Checkers 11) Yahtzee 6) Connect Four II Loading Instructions -------------------- Plug audio cable into Astrobasic cartridge and headphone jack of computer speakers, then load program from Astrobasic with :INPUT Press GO. Then start playing the wav file; the program will start to load. After the program finishes loading, type RUN and then press GO. Program Instructions -------------------- Best of Arcadian Programs 1980 As published in Volume two of the Arcadian newsletter 10 Programs: Artillery Duel BOTS Bowl-a-Rama Checkers Connect Four II Hamurabi O-Jello Subsearch 2000 AD Yahtzee For Use With Astrovision BASIC Instructions Included (C) 1980 R. Fabris Arcadian 3626 Morrie Dr. San Jose, CA 95127-990 $20 These programs are but samples of what can be found in the pages of the "Arcadian" newsletter - - - plus tutorials, reviews, hardware, ads, and more!!! A 1982 SUBSCRIPTION ( Nov. 81-Oct. 82) is $12.50 ppd. Send check or money order (US Funds) to: 3626 Morrie Drive, San Jose, CA 95127-9990 TAPE LOADING PROCEDURE 1. This tape will only load with an Astrovision BallyBasic Videocade #6004 2. High tape recorder volume levels will usually produce a good transfer of data. Adjust tone control to 'treble.' 3. Load the first program, LOGO, using the :INPUT command. When the cursor reappears, either: STOP the recorder and RUN the program; or re-enter :INPUT and the next program will automatically enter the computer, showing title and author. Again, when the cursor reappears, make the same decision, etc. ARTILLERY DUEL 2 Players John Perkins Page 59 After the ground is generated and the two guns located, one will light up indicating 'ready to fire.' Adjust the barrel angle with the Knob, and the number of bags of gunpowder with the Joystick (move in all four directions). Watch out for gravity and the wind effect. When ready, pull Trigger. A gun is destoyed when less than half of it remains. The gun crew will replace a damaged barrel. Every game is differeent. BOTS 1 Player Ron McCoy Page 91 A 10x20 grid is set up, and a number of 'walls' are setup randomly, and then a number of 'BOTS' (*) are randomly located. Your position (+) is then taken. Your first choice is whether to 'shoot' an adjacent BOT, and the second choice is which way to move. Either of these directions requires the use of the Knob to turn the little pointer in the desired direction, or turn until it disappears if you wish to stand still. Pull the trigger to effect the decision. Then all the BOTS will move towards you, one box at a time. If a BOT hits a wall, or another BOT, it will be destroyed. BOWL-A-RAMA 2 Players Bob Hensel Page 52 The ball is invisable until you pull the Trigger. Then you will see its path down the alley. You can control the path with the Joystick (left/right). The computer keeps score and tells you which player is up. CHECKERS 1 Player John Collins Page 12 All the moves of the board game, including double jumps. Use the Keypad to indicate the row and column that you wish to move FROM, and then the row and column you wish to move TO. Press GO after each figure. When the computer is up, it will go through five calculations in deciding where to move, and you will see the figures 1-5 as it does so. Every so often it will redraw the playing board. CONNECT FOUR II 1 or 2 Players Bob Wiseman Page 94 A grid is placed on the screen. Use your joystick to move the marker over the column that you wish to enter. Press the Trigger and the piece will go down the column as far as it can. Getting four of your pieces in a row before the computer does so will win the game. Move the joystick back and forth to register the Win. HAMURABI 1 Player Dick Houser Page 32 Push any key after the castle appears. You are the King, and you must make decisions on running the kingdom economically. You start with 100 people, 1000 acres of land, and 3000 bushels of food. Buy and sell land, using food as barter material, saving some food to feed the populace. Gain performance points based on how well you govern. If you last ten years, you have done well. Of course, we have thrown in a few random disasters to keep it from being too easy... O-JELLO 1 or 2 Players Clyde Perkins Page 41 The object is to capture and retain as many spaces as possible using the rules of Othello. You can capture a space if it is occupied by your opponent, and you can sandwich him between your existing spaces and the new one. Pull the Trigger to register the move. You will see the computer checking all possible moves when it is Up, in the 1 player mode. SUBSEARCH 1 Player Ron Picardi Page 83 When asked 'Enter Search 1 to 10,' enter the horizontal value (X) (GO), and then the vertical value (Y) (GO) of your search probe. Once a probe has made contact, you will have missiles to fire to three depths. Meanwhile, the sub is looking for you... 2000 AD 2 Players Ed Larkin Page 42 A shoot-em-up between an invader craft and a ground station. Use a Joystick to move about, the Kob to point your laser, and the Trigger to fire. YAHTZEE 1 to 4 Players Bob Wiseman Page 74 Use the Joystick (JY) to position the arrow on the die you want re-rolled. Push JY to erase the die. Pull the Trigger to re-roll. After three re-rolls, you will be shown the scores. Use JY to position the arrow to the one you want and pull the Trigger. Scores almost like the real game. END OF FILE _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 11 08:45:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 15:45:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 39284 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 15:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 15:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 15:45:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:45:36 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:45:36 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: wav file 99% compression?!? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:45:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 15:45:36.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[0023D460:01C228F2] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Bob, why do the wav files created with Ballybin and Astrowav get such good compression when compressed? I know it's because the data is made up of lots of 00H, 06H and 80H data in the binary file, but why is the wave file so "simple," that is why is the data so predictable? It sure isn't like this when you look at a wav file recorded directly from the Bally! I need a layman's answer to this one... (if you please?). Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Thu Jul 11 22:00:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 05:00:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 36428 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.7.182]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020712045947.EHGS3742.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:59:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2E61DA.7010007@s...> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:58:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Best of Arcadian Programs 1980' Tape archived References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > 'Best of Arcadian Programs 1980' Tape archived > Woo Hoo... Whoops, lots of duplicates here. :( > > CONNECT FOUR II 1 or 2 Players Bob Wiseman Page 94 > AAAAHHHEEE!!!! My EARS!!! Be warned Keep you tv volume low, or off for this game! Computer plays decently, Need 2 Ballys to see which C4 thinks better. :) Lance From rcolbert@c... Fri Jul 12 12:50:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 47763 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao08.cox.net) (68.1.17.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020712195034.VDMJ4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@b...> for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:50:34 -0500 To: Subject: ballybin & astrowav v1.2 now available Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C229B3.7C375100" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D2E61DA.7010007@s...> Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C229B3.7C375100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I believe that the file format in this version of the programs will be final. I'm pretty sure that any .bin files created with the old version of ballybin will work, but this version contains more information vital to the successful archiving of some multi-load games. Please test this version and post all problems to the group. Once we feel that the bugs are worked out, we can begin archiving with confidence. I will post documentation this weekend some time. Type the program name with no parameters for quick info on how to use each program! The new versions are on the ftp site in ballybin_v1.2.zip. Bob P.S. I will get around to answering some of the questions posed on the group soon! Busy Busy! -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:komb@s...] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:58 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Best of Arcadian Programs 1980' Tape archived Adam Trionfo wrote: > 'Best of Arcadian Programs 1980' Tape archived > Woo Hoo... Whoops, lots of duplicates here. :( > > CONNECT FOUR II 1 or 2 Players Bob Wiseman Page 94 > AAAAHHHEEE!!!! My EARS!!! Be warned Keep you tv volume low, or off for this game! Computer plays decently, Need 2 Ballys to see which C4 thinks better. :) Lance Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C229B3.7C375100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
    I believe that the file format in this version of = the=20 programs will be final.  I'm pretty sure that any .bin files created w= ith=20 the old version of ballybin will work, but this version contains more=20 information vital to the successful archiving of some multi-load games.&nbs= p;=20 Please test this version and post all problems to the group.  Once we = feel=20 that the bugs are worked out, we can begin archiving with confidence. = I=20 will post documentation this weekend some time.  Type the program name= with=20 no parameters for quick info on how to use each program!  The new vers= ions=20 are on the ftp site in ballybin_v1.2.zip.
 
 
        =        =20 Bob
 
P.S. I=20 will get around to answering some of the questions posed on the group=20 soon!  Busy Busy!
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance F. Squire=20 [mailto:komb@s...]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:58= =20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:=20 [ballyalley] 'Best of Arcadian Programs 1980' Tape=20 archived

Adam Trionfo wrote:
> 'Best of Arc= adian=20 Programs 1980' Tape archived
>


Woo Hoo... Whoops, lots = of=20 duplicates here. :(


>
>     = ;=20 CONNECT FOUR II    1 or 2 Players   Bob=20 Wiseman      Page 94
>

AAAAHHHEEE!= !!!=20 My EARS!!!

Be warned Keep you tv volume low, or off for this=20 game!

Computer plays decently, Need 2 Ballys to see which C4 think= s=20 better. :)

Lance


Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com=20 lately?

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C229B3.7C375100-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 12 18:41:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 01:41:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 81900 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 01:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 01:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 01:41:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:41:54 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:41:54 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:41:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 01:41:54.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[779DBC50:01C22A0E] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Bob wrote: >> I've put up a zip file called samples.zip that contains "Watch out for the Bull" and "Chicken" in .bin format. These should work for you with astrowav by typing: astrowav -w chick chick.bin and astrowav -w bull bull.bin (don't use the -m flag, these require that the loads be together). >> I used astrowav to create the wav files for bull and chick. "Lookout for the Bull" works fine on my machine, but "Chicken" does not run at all- I get the load screen and then a screen full of garbage. I used a known good dump of this program (and I don't clean it up) and I get the same error- so it's another symtom of my Astrocade "glitch." Since "Chicken" is a pure machine language program (I think) I have something going on with my data chip (or maybe even my address chip). I sent a copy of "L.T." and "Whack-a-Mole" to Mike White on tape to see if he can duplicate the errors I'm getting. Lance, can you load "Chicken?" (Bob, it loads fine for you, right?) Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 12 18:51:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 01:51:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 71467 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 01:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 01:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 01:51:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:51:02 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:51:01 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Chicken' on cart works Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:51:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 01:51:02.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE1DB850:01C22A0F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Another note on Chicken: I can't get it to load from tape, but I do have this same program on cartridge. The cartridge version is the EXACT same version as the tape game- it has only been modifed to start from the cartridge port. My cartridge version of Chicken works just fine. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 12 19:43:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 02:43:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 86657 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 02:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 02:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.95) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 02:43:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:43:30 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:43:30 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Fw: Fwd:Family Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:43:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 02:43:30.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[129A9450:01C22A17] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Rick, Please remove the ballyalley discussion group from your "to" list for such email as the "family" thread. The discussion group is for discussion of the Bally Astrocade- if you want to discuss your family, that's okay too (to a certain extent) but forwarding email to the group is not okay. I will be deleting "family" from the discusion board. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From komb@s... Fri Jul 12 19:47:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 02:47:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 44767 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 02:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 02:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 02:47:13 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020713024712.LRWH4312.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2F943B.8070509@s...> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:45:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Bob wrote: > > I've put up a zip file called samples.zip that contains "Watch out for the > Bull" and "Chicken" in .bin format. These should work for you with astrowav > by typing: astrowav -w chick chick.bin and astrowav -w bull bull.bin (don't > use the -m flag, these require that the loads be together). > > > I used astrowav to create the wav files for bull and chick. "Lookout for > the Bull" works fine on my machine, but "Chicken" does not run at all- I get > the load screen and then a screen full of garbage. I used a known good dump > of this program (and I don't clean it up) and I get the same error- so it's > another symtom of my Astrocade "glitch." Since "Chicken" is a pure machine > language program (I think) I have something going on with my data chip (or > maybe even my address chip). > > I sent a copy of "L.T." and "Whack-a-Mole" to Mike White on tape to see if > he can duplicate the errors I'm getting. > > Lance, can you load "Chicken?" (Bob, it loads fine for you, right?) > > Adam > I can't get bull.bin to work. Astrowav complains about a GAP tag within a LOAD tag. Chick works fine here. Try amazing maze, tell me if the mazes are off. Lance From rcolbert@c... Fri Jul 12 20:19:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 03:19:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 5872 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 03:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 03:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 03:19:40 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020713031940.QUPX3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:19:40 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C229F2.39EB94C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D2F943B.8070509@s...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C229F2.39EB94C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Make sure you are using the latest version of astrowav. The earlier version does not recognize the tag. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:komb@s...] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:45 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Adam Trionfo wrote: > Bob wrote: > > I've put up a zip file called samples.zip that contains "Watch out for the > Bull" and "Chicken" in .bin format. These should work for you with astrowav > by typing: astrowav -w chick chick.bin and astrowav -w bull bull.bin (don't > use the -m flag, these require that the loads be together). > > > I used astrowav to create the wav files for bull and chick. "Lookout for > the Bull" works fine on my machine, but "Chicken" does not run at all- I get > the load screen and then a screen full of garbage. I used a known good dump > of this program (and I don't clean it up) and I get the same error- so it's > another symtom of my Astrocade "glitch." Since "Chicken" is a pure machine > language program (I think) I have something going on with my data chip (or > maybe even my address chip). > > I sent a copy of "L.T." and "Whack-a-Mole" to Mike White on tape to see if > he can duplicate the errors I'm getting. > > Lance, can you load "Chicken?" (Bob, it loads fine for you, right?) > > Adam > I can't get bull.bin to work. Astrowav complains about a GAP tag within a LOAD tag. Chick works fine here. Try amazing maze, tell me if the mazes are off. Lance Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C229F2.39EB94C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Make=20 sure you are using the latest version of astrowav.  The earlier versio= n=20 does not recognize the <GAP> tag.
 
        =        =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance F. Squire=20 [mailto:komb@s...]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:45=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:=20 [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull'

Adam=20 Trionfo wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>
> I've put up a zip file= =20 called samples.zip that contains "Watch out for the
> Bull" and=20 "Chicken" in .bin format.  These should work for you with astrowav=20
> by typing: astrowav -w chick chick.bin and astrowav -w bull bull= .bin=20 (don't
> use the -m flag, these require that the loads be=20 together).
>
>
> I used astrowav to create the wav fi= les=20 for bull and chick.  "Lookout for
> the Bull" works fine on m= y=20 machine, but "Chicken" does not run at all- I get
> the load scree= n and=20 then a screen full of garbage.  I used a known good dump
> of= this=20 program (and I don't clean it up) and I get the same error- so it's
&= gt;=20 another symtom of my Astrocade "glitch."  Since "Chicken" is a pure= =20 machine
> language program (I think) I have something going on wit= h my=20 data chip (or
> maybe even my address chip).
>
> I se= nt a=20 copy of "L.T." and "Whack-a-Mole" to Mike White on tape to see if
>= ; he=20 can duplicate the errors I'm getting.
>
> Lance, can you loa= d=20 "Chicken?"  (Bob, it loads fine for you, right?)
>
>=20 Adam
>

I can't get bull.bin to work. Astrowav complains abo= ut a=20 GAP tag within
a LOAD tag.

Chick works fine here. Try amazing = maze,=20 tell me if the mazes are off.

Lance



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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C229F2.39EB94C0-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Jul 12 21:32:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 04:32:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 50899 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 04:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 04:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 04:32:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:32:12 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 04:32:12 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:32:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 04:32:12.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[4205DEC0:01C22A26] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I can't get bull.bin to work. Astrowav complains about a GAP tag within a LOAD tag. >> Yes, like Bob said, use the new version of Astrowav. >> Chick works fine here. >> I sort of figured it would. I even tried loading it from my tape again, but still get the same thing. It looks like I need a new Astrocade (or fix mine). >> Try amazing maze, tell me if the mazes are off. >> I can't find this program. It's not on Bob's FTP server with the other archived programs, nor is it on the discussion group. Where is it? I'm sure if you are having trouble with this program, then it will work perfectly on my machine (or not...). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 13 08:06:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 15:06:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 10827 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 15:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 15:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 15:06:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 15:06:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:06:18 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 941 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Bob, I have uploaded two zipped wav files to your ftp site. I am having trouble with using the newest version of ballybin on each one. The files are called: guess5.zip - Guess Five by New Image handcont.zip - Hand Control Test by New Image Each file is just a single load, but ballybin sees two loads. Here is an example of the output when I try to archive Guess Five: D:\bally\ballybin>ballybin -b guess5.bin wav\guess5.wav BallyBin v1.2a Released July 5, 2002 Written by: Bob Colbert Decoding load 1 Decoded 109 bytes Decoding load 2 Decoded 30 bytes End of .wav data reached. Successfully converted .wav file wav\guess5.wav! I get the same type of output when I archive handcont.wav- it wants to create a 30 byte file. I am able to load and run handcont.wav, before cleanup, into Astrobasic. I do have trouble loading guess5.wav though. Anyway- why is ballybin trying to make a 30 byte load 2 file? Adam Trionfo From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 13 08:09:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 15:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 73832 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 15:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 15:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 15:09:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 15:09:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:09:15 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Trouble archiving single load tape Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo The subject of the last "no subject" message should have been "Trouble archiving single load tape." Sorry about that. I'm going to make posting from the website from now on, since all of the messages I've been sending recently have been getting delayed (some by as much as two days). Adam From komb@s... Sat Jul 13 08:39:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 15:39:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 65861 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 15:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 15:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 15:39:20 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020713153912.RVOR18503.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3D304932.2050208@s...> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:37:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > >Lance wrote: > >Try amazing maze, tell me if the mazes are off. > > > I can't find this program. It's not on Bob's FTP server with the other > archived programs, nor is it on the discussion group. Where is it? I'm > sure if you are having trouble with this program, then it will work > perfectly on my machine (or not...). > > Adam > It's a Videocade, Common, I'm sure you have it. :) However since the multicart verstion of chicken works fine, it'll probably work fine. Which makes me really wounder what IS going on in your machine... Do you have the Blue Ram connected all the time? If so have you tried it without? Just a thought. Lance From komb@s... Sat Jul 13 08:41:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 15:41:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 47108 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 15:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 15:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 15:41:04 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020713154111.CAAQ21371.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:41:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3D30499C.3080107@s...> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:39:08 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > Make sure you are using the latest version of astrowav. The earlier > version does not recognize the tag. > Woulden't you know... The message about the new version JUST arrived in my in box. After this and the previous messages. Lance From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 13 09:07:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 16:07:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 56424 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 16:07:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:07:14 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D30499C.3080107@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 438 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> The message about the new version JUST arrived in my in box. After this and the previous messages. >> Yes, there have been so really long delays between the time I have sent an email to the group and the time it arrives. In the past I've had some messages take up to FOUR days to arrive. Recently a couple took two days. I'm going to be posting messages directly to the group to avoid this problem from now on (I hope). Adam From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 13 09:16:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 16:16:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 33938 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 16:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 16:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 16:16:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2002 16:16:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:16:31 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D304932.2050208@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1406 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> It's a Videocade, Common, I'm sure you have it. :) >> Oh, duh! I was thinking TAPES. >> However since the multicart verstion of chicken works fine, it'll probably work fine. Which makes me really wounder what IS going on in your machine... >> I'm not even going to try it. Just a couple of minutes ago my "working" Astrocade made a "toasty" smell. It was still working (graphic glitches and all) but I, of course, unplugged it. I'm not sure WHAT was the smell, but you could actually feel heat coming from the motherboard and the data chip was too hot to even touch (which, I guess is the small?). Not good... >> Do you have the Blue Ram connected all the time? If so have you tried it without? >> No, only when I use it, which is hardly ever. Do you suppose the extra pull from the 300 baud interface, which I HAVE kept plugged int could have caused the trouble? I'd ask for advice about this, but anything that requires hardware repair is beyond my skills. "One of these days" I need to fix that. Does anyone have a KNOWN good working Astrocade? One last thing... is it just possible that ALL the Astrocade's are past their prime? I mean, they were never built like a tank to begin with, but now, well, they've logged in a few years. Is it getting to the point where fans of a console need to have hardware knowledge to keep a system going? That would be SAD. Adam From lasrtt@g... Sat Jul 13 09:45:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 16:44:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 86256 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 16:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 16:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 16:44:44 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GZ756I00.FF0 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:44:42 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.118.14]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GZ756H01.620 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:44:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c22a8b$ca5fec60$7607fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:38:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C22A48.BB7AE300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C22A48.BB7AE300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have three (3) good working ASTROCADES. Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: atrionfo=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Re: 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' >> It's a Videocade, Common, I'm sure you have it. :) >> Oh, duh! I was thinking TAPES. >> However since the multicart verstion of chicken works fine, it'll=20 probably work fine. Which makes me really wounder what IS going on in=20 your machine... >> I'm not even going to try it. Just a couple of minutes ago=20 my "working" Astrocade made a "toasty" smell. It was still working=20 (graphic glitches and all) but I, of course, unplugged it. I'm not=20 sure WHAT was the smell, but you could actually feel heat coming from=20 the motherboard and the data chip was too hot to even touch (which, I=20 guess is the small?). Not good... >> Do you have the Blue Ram connected all the time? If so have you tried=20 it without? >> No, only when I use it, which is hardly ever. Do you suppose the=20 extra pull from the 300 baud interface, which I HAVE kept plugged int=20 could have caused the trouble? I'd ask for advice about this, but=20 anything that requires hardware repair is beyond my skills. "One of=20 these days" I need to fix that. Does anyone have a KNOWN good working Astrocade? One last thing... is it just possible that ALL the Astrocade's are=20 past their prime? I mean, they were never built like a tank to begin=20 with, but now, well, they've logged in a few years. Is it getting to=20 the point where fans of a console need to have hardware knowledge to=20 keep a system going? That would be SAD. Adam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Click here to find your contact lenses!=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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I have three (3) good working=20 ASTROCADES.
Rick.....
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 atrionfo
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:16= =20 AM
Subject: [ballyalley] Re: 'Chicken= ' and=20 'Lookout for the Bull'

>>
It's a Videocade, Common, I'm sure you hav= e it.=20 :)
>>

Oh, duh!  I was thinking=20 TAPES.

>>
However since the multicart verstion of chicken= =20 works fine, it'll
probably work fine. Which makes me really wounder w= hat=20 IS going on in
your machine...
>>

I'm not even going = to=20 try it.  Just a couple of minutes ago
my "working" Astrocade mad= e a=20 "toasty" smell.  It was still working
(graphic glitches and all)= but=20 I, of course, unplugged it.  I'm not
sure WHAT was the smell, bu= t you=20 could actually feel heat coming from
the motherboard and the data chi= p was=20 too hot to even touch (which, I
guess is the small?).  Not=20 good...

>>
Do you have the Blue Ram connected all the tim= e? If=20 so have you tried
it without?
>>

No, only when I use = it,=20 which is hardly ever.  Do you suppose the
extra pull from the 30= 0=20 baud interface, which I HAVE kept plugged int
could have caused the=20 trouble?  I'd ask for advice about this, but
anything that requi= res=20 hardware repair is beyond my skills.  "One of
these days" I need= to=20 fix that.

Does anyone have a KNOWN good working Astrocade?

= One=20 last thing... is it just possible that ALL the Astrocade's are
past t= heir=20 prime?  I mean, they were never built like a tank to begin
with,= but=20 now, well, they've logged in a few years.  Is it getting to
the = point=20 where fans of a console need to have hardware knowledge to
keep a sys= tem=20 going?  That would be SAD.

Adam



Have= =20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C22A48.BB7AE300-- From komb@s... Sat Jul 13 13:07:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 20:07:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 43353 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 20:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 20:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.183) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 20:07:47 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020713200716.VLTT9912.tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:07:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3D30881E.1050508@s...> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:05:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > > Yes, like Bob said, use the new version of Astrowav. > > Got it. Used it. bull.wav made. loaded it...Nice title screen Turns yellow and gives me a prompt '>' with a constant tone. it totally misses the second load. Listed code lines 5 & 8 look bad. ... Got it to work by typing run and waiting till the wave file was near the end. Then pressing go to catch the second load. Game works, but still won't load by it's self. Looks alot like pirats chase! Lance From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 13 17:12:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 00:12:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 55683 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 00:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 00:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 00:12:40 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020714001240.YZVV8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:12:40 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:12:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C22AA1.4535CC10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D30881E.1050508@s...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C22AA1.4535CC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You need to do this: :INPUT ;RUN on the Bally or it will not run by itself! I downloaded the samples.zip file again and recreated the files and the only way I could get the results you described was to leave off the ;RUN. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:komb@s...] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 3:06 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' Adam Trionfo wrote: > > Yes, like Bob said, use the new version of Astrowav. > > Got it. Used it. bull.wav made. loaded it...Nice title screen Turns yellow and gives me a prompt '>' with a constant tone. it totally misses the second load. Listed code lines 5 & 8 look bad. ... Got it to work by typing run and waiting till the wave file was near the end. Then pressing go to catch the second load. Game works, but still won't load by it's self. Looks alot like pirats chase! Lance Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C22AA1.4535CC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You=20 need to do this:
 
      &= nbsp;=20 :INPUT ;RUN
 
on the=20 Bally or it will not run by itself!  I downloaded the samples.zip file= =20 again and recreated the files and the only way I could get the results you= =20 described was to leave off the ;RUN.
 
        =            =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance F. Squire=20 [mailto:komb@s...]
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 3:06=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:=20 [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull'

Adam=20 Trionfo wrote:
>
> Yes, like Bob said, use the new version o= f=20 Astrowav.
>
>

Got it.

Used it.

bull.wa= v=20 made.

loaded it...Nice title screen

Turns yellow and gives = me a=20 prompt '>' with a constant tone.

it totally misses the second=20 load.

Listed code lines 5 & 8 look bad.

...

Got = it to=20 work by typing run and waiting till the wave file was near the
end. T= hen=20 pressing go to catch the second load.

Game works, but still won't = load=20 by it's self.

Looks alot like pirats=20 chase!

Lance



Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C22AA1.4535CC10-- From ward.shrake@w... Sat Jul 13 20:37:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 03:37:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 63722 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 03:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 03:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 03:37:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 03:37:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 03:37:32 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: The shrinking number of working Astrocades Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2975 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.68.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "atrionfo" wrote: (snip) > I'm not even going to try it. Just a > couple of minutes ago my "working" > Astrocade made a "toasty" smell. It > was still working graphic glitches and > all) but I, of course, unplugged it. > I'm not sure WHAT was the smell, but > you could actually feel heat coming from > the motherboard and the data chip was too > hot to even touch (which, I guess is > the small?). Not good... (snip) > One last thing... is it just possible > that ALL the Astrocade's are past their > prime? I mean, they were never built > like a tank to begin with, but now, well, > they've logged in a few years. Is it > getting to the point where fans of a > console need to have hardware knowledge to > keep a system going? That would be SAD. > > Adam Yes, that would be sad. But unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Not only with this machine, but with other "classic era" consoles. It seems self-evident to me that it is necessary to have either a steady supply of CHEAP and EASY to find replacements -- which is NOT at all the case with the Astrocade -- or you MUST have both advanced technical skills and knowledge to keep these devices up and running. As proof, I offer these quotes and inks to info about the fate of the Intellivision, another console with custom parts that you can not get anywhere, and that has always had its share of reliability problems. (I know, since I heard war stories from Mattel employees of that era.) [Quoting an online article, with links to follow] "But why not release the Intellivision games that the company already holds the rights to? The reason is due to a technical problem. The Intellivision used custom ROMs with built-in latches. Intellivision Productions contacted the company that made the original ROMs, but it wasn't willing to take an order for less than 100,000 pieces, which was strictly out of the question, especially when the number of Intellivision consoles that are still around is shrinking rapidly. 'One has to look realistically at the available market,' explained Keith Robinson. 'The number of working Intellivisions is shrinking daily. While Activision was developing Intellivision Classics for PlayStation, they ordered several Master Components from eBay. Within a month or two of regular use, they all burned out. Even we had trouble at CGE 99 - we took three Intellivisions with us; by Sunday only one was working, and it had to be shut down for about 15 minutes every hour to keep it running.'" [End quote] That quote was from an article by Leonard Herman, called "New Blood for Orphaned Systems". It is discussing homebrew game efforts, and the quotes were from page 8 of that online article. Find it at: (Start of article) http://videogames.gamespot.com/features/universal/new_blood/ (Page the quotes are from) http://videogames.gamespot.com/features/universal/new_blood/page8.html -- Ward Shrake -- From ward.shrake@w... Sat Jul 13 21:22:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 04:21:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 68837 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 04:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 04:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 04:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 04:21:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 04:21:55 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2700 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.68.183 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan A question for the group. Please think your answers through before posting; sleep on it first if you must, so as to respond logically. I am not interested in hearing emotionally-based, unrealistic answers. As many of you know, I make the one-and-only multicart for the Bally Astrocade console. It has pretty much every cart game anyone has ever made public, and a number of tapes converted to cart form (by Mike White, who has been into the Astrocade since it was sold in stores). It works well, and those few that bought it seem to really like it. In a year of making them and offering them for sale, I have only had 27 paid orders, plus one for myself to play with, plus one special one I made as an in-house testing unit. That's 29 total, globally. I have four more partially finished ones sitting here, that need to be completed. I have the raw parts for another dozen or so available. Although those numbers may seem low by some standards, that's still far more actual completed-and-shipped products than some companies created during the Bally Astrocade's commercial life-time. Some made as few as six of their promised items; I've done far more than that. My question is this... is there any reason that I should NOT simply limit my total production run to fifty (50) carts? And then "quit"? Stop and think, before you post. I already know all the reasons why it would be a good thing for the group, blah, blah, blah. But what is in it for me? What personal reasons do I have to go beyond 50 carts? Each one costs me a day of my life to make; keep that firmly in mind. Please note that I am ONLY interested in hearing GOOD, sane, logical reasons for going over 50 carts total. These ideal reasons will take my own time and effort into full account, if you want me to take them seriously. Any "but we want all the candy in the candy store" type of replies are going to be mentally brushed aside by me as unrealistic fantasies. I do not easily buy into the idea that I 'owe' this or any other group something, so don't try to guilt-trip me beyond 50. But I am interested in hearing objective reasons, if any can be offered? The simple reality is, I do NOT see myself making more than 100 of these carts, ever, in my life-time. It is too much work, and not enough reward. (Even ignoring the ever-shrinking market for them, thanks to the fact that the Astrocades seem to have reliability issues that may end up simply being impossible to solve.) So the final count is going to be 100 or less, regardless. So why not just call it "50 total" and be done with it? That's what I am wondering. Thanks in advance for your appropriate responses. -- Ward Shrake -- From komb@s... Sat Jul 13 21:47:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 04:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 89254 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 04:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 04:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 04:47:47 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020714044727.QVWB8251.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:47:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3D3101FE.6040300@s...> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:45:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > A question for the group. Please think your answers through before > posting; sleep on it first if you must, so as to respond logically. I > am not interested in hearing emotionally-based, unrealistic answers. > Sane answer: The only reason for going beyond any point is a solid (in this case, Paying) demand for the product. Although many other altruistic reasons may also exist (Mostly why my site exists) they, I think, are not applicable here. Certanly as a 'Colecters Item' stopping at a set, arbitrary number is perfictly reasonable. Side Considerstion: As long as the inforamtion on creating one is preserved, (Did you publish your memory saving method?) Nothing is truly lost, as someone else can fill the void if they see fit. Or do it them selves. The only real issue in this case is availability of rom images. Mad Fanboy answer: No, NO! You MUST make one for every Bally/astrocade out there including the ones still hidden in wharehouses somewhere. It is your Duty! ;) Real Answer: It realy dosen't matter what we think. It's what you are coumfortable with that counts. Lance F. Squire From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 13 22:26:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 05:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 75230 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 05:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 05:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 05:26:22 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020714052620.EEY8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:26:20 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] The shrinking number of working Astrocades Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:26:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C22ACD.1836C4E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C22ACD.1836C4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1 hour and 15 minutes after reading this message my Astrocade died... I was in the process of writing it's obituary (sp?). I let it cool down for a while and it started working again. I opened it up and see that there is a primative heat-sink on what must be the data chip that Adam refers to. I think that tomorrow I will get/order a fan and install it... Bob -----Original Message----- From: commie_fan [mailto:ward.shrake@w...] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:38 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] The shrinking number of working Astrocades --- In ballyalley@y..., "atrionfo" wrote: (snip) > I'm not even going to try it. Just a > couple of minutes ago my "working" > Astrocade made a "toasty" smell. It > was still working graphic glitches and > all) but I, of course, unplugged it. > I'm not sure WHAT was the smell, but > you could actually feel heat coming from > the motherboard and the data chip was too > hot to even touch (which, I guess is > the small?). Not good... (snip) > One last thing... is it just possible > that ALL the Astrocade's are past their > prime? I mean, they were never built > like a tank to begin with, but now, well, > they've logged in a few years. Is it > getting to the point where fans of a > console need to have hardware knowledge to > keep a system going? That would be SAD. > > Adam Yes, that would be sad. But unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Not only with this machine, but with other "classic era" consoles. It seems self-evident to me that it is necessary to have either a steady supply of CHEAP and EASY to find replacements -- which is NOT at all the case with the Astrocade -- or you MUST have both advanced technical skills and knowledge to keep these devices up and running. As proof, I offer these quotes and inks to info about the fate of the Intellivision, another console with custom parts that you can not get anywhere, and that has always had its share of reliability problems. (I know, since I heard war stories from Mattel employees of that era.) [Quoting an online article, with links to follow] "But why not release the Intellivision games that the company already holds the rights to? The reason is due to a technical problem. The Intellivision used custom ROMs with built-in latches. Intellivision Productions contacted the company that made the original ROMs, but it wasn't willing to take an order for less than 100,000 pieces, which was strictly out of the question, especially when the number of Intellivision consoles that are still around is shrinking rapidly. 'One has to look realistically at the available market,' explained Keith Robinson. 'The number of working Intellivisions is shrinking daily. While Activision was developing Intellivision Classics for PlayStation, they ordered several Master Components from eBay. Within a month or two of regular use, they all burned out. Even we had trouble at CGE 99 - we took three Intellivisions with us; by Sunday only one was working, and it had to be shut down for about 15 minutes every hour to keep it running.'" [End quote] That quote was from an article by Leonard Herman, called "New Blood for Orphaned Systems". It is discussing homebrew game efforts, and the quotes were from page 8 of that online article. Find it at: (Start of article) http://videogames.gamespot.com/features/universal/new_blood/ (Page the quotes are from) http://videogames.gamespot.com/features/universal/new_blood/page8.html -- Ward Shrake -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C22ACD.1836C4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1 hour=20 and 15 minutes after reading this message my Astrocade died...  I was = in=20 the process of writing it's obituary (sp?).  I let it cool down for a = while=20 and it started working again.  I opened it up and see that there is a= =20 primative heat-sink on what must be the data chip that Adam refers to. = ; I=20 think that tomorrow I will get/order a fan and install it...<= /DIV>
 
        =        =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: commie_fan=20 [mailto:ward.shrake@w...]
Sent: Saturday, July 13, = 2002=20 10:38 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [ballyalley] The shrinking number of working=20 Astrocades

--- In ballyalley@y..., "atrionfo"=20 <ballyalley@h...> wrote:
(snip)
> I'm not even going to tr= y=20 it.  Just a
> couple of minutes ago my "working"
> Astro= cade=20 made a "toasty" smell.  It
> was still working graphic glitche= s=20 and
> all) but I, of course, unplugged it.
> I'm not sure WHA= T was=20 the smell, but
> you could actually feel heat coming from
> = the=20 motherboard and the data chip was too
> hot to even touch (which, I= =20 guess is
> the small?).  Not good...


(snip)
>= One=20 last thing... is it just possible
> that ALL the Astrocade's are pa= st=20 their
> prime?  I mean, they were never built
> like a t= ank=20 to begin with, but now, well,
> they've logged in a few years. = ; Is=20 it
> getting to the point where fans of a
> console need to h= ave=20 hardware knowledge to
> keep a system going?  That would be=20 SAD.
>
> Adam


Yes, that would be sad. But=20 unfortunately, that seems to be the case.
Not only with this machine,= but=20 with other "classic era" consoles.

It seems self-evident to me tha= t it=20 is necessary to have either a
steady supply of CHEAP and EASY to find= =20 replacements -- which is NOT
at all the case with the Astrocade -- or= you=20 MUST have both advanced
technical skills and knowledge to keep these= =20 devices up and running.

As proof, I offer these quotes and inks to= info=20 about the fate of the
Intellivision, another console with custom part= s=20 that you can not get
anywhere, and that has always had its share of=20 reliability problems.
(I know, since I heard war stories from Mattel= =20 employees of that era.)


[Quoting an online article, with links= to=20 follow]

"But why not release the Intellivision games that the comp= any=20 already
holds the rights to? The reason is due to a technical problem= . The=20
Intellivision used custom ROMs with built-in latches. Intellivision=20
Productions contacted the company that made the original ROMs, but it= =20
wasn't willing to take an order for less than 100,000 pieces, which=20
was strictly out of the question, especially when the number of=20
Intellivision consoles that are still around is shrinking
rapidly= .=20 'One has to look realistically at the available market,'
explained Ke= ith=20 Robinson. 'The number of working Intellivisions is
shrinking daily. W= hile=20 Activision was developing Intellivision
Classics for PlayStation, the= y=20 ordered several Master Components from
eBay. Within a month or two of= =20 regular use, they all burned out. Even
we had trouble at CGE 99 - we = took=20 three Intellivisions with us; by
Sunday only one was working, and it = had=20 to be shut down for about 15
minutes every hour to keep it=20 running.'"

[End quote]


That quote was from an article b= y=20 Leonard Herman, called "New Blood
for Orphaned Systems". It is discus= sing=20 homebrew game efforts, and
the quotes were from page 8 of that online= =20 article. Find it at:

(Start of article)

htt= p://videogames.gamespot.com/features/universal/new_blood/

(Page= =20 the quotes are from)

http://videogames.gamespot.com/features/universal/new_blood/page8.ht= ml

--=20 Ward Shrake --



Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C22ACD.1836C4E0-- From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 13 22:28:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 05:28:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 45722 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 05:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 05:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 05:28:44 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020714052843.EHP8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:28:43 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] (unknown) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:28:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C22ACD.6D4A66D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C22ACD.6D4A66D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both of these files have problems. I examined them with a .wav editor and found drop-outs in both right at the point where ballybin dies. I was able to fix handcont.wav such that ballybin could read it, only because I was sure that the byte that was bad was a 0. I was not able to fix guess5, since I don't know what data belongs at the point of the drop-out. I could put an arbitrary byte or two, but that would almost certainly be wrong... Bob -----Original Message----- From: atrionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:06 AM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] (unknown) Bob, I have uploaded two zipped wav files to your ftp site. I am having trouble with using the newest version of ballybin on each one. The files are called: guess5.zip - Guess Five by New Image handcont.zip - Hand Control Test by New Image Each file is just a single load, but ballybin sees two loads. Here is an example of the output when I try to archive Guess Five: D:\bally\ballybin>ballybin -b guess5.bin wav\guess5.wav BallyBin v1.2a Released July 5, 2002 Written by: Bob Colbert Decoding load 1 Decoded 109 bytes Decoding load 2 Decoded 30 bytes End of .wav data reached. Successfully converted .wav file wav\guess5.wav! I get the same type of output when I archive handcont.wav- it wants to create a 30 byte file. I am able to load and run handcont.wav, before cleanup, into Astrobasic. I do have trouble loading guess5.wav though. Anyway- why is ballybin trying to make a 30 byte load 2 file? Adam Trionfo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C22ACD.6D4A66D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Both=20 of these files have problems.  I examined them with a .wav editor and = found=20 drop-outs in both right at the point where ballybin dies.  I was able = to=20 fix handcont.wav such that ballybin could read it, only because I was sure = that=20 the byte that was bad was a 0.  I was not able to fix guess5, since I = don't=20 know what data belongs at the point of the drop-out.  I could put an=20 arbitrary byte or two, but that would almost certainly be=20 wrong...
 
        =            =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: atrionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 1= 0:06=20 AM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyalle= y]=20 (unknown)

Bob,

I have uploaded two zipped = wav=20 files to your ftp site.  I am having
trouble with using the newe= st=20 version of ballybin on each one.  The
files are=20 called:

guess5.zip - Guess Five by New=20 Image
handcont.zip   - Hand Control Test by New Image
Each=20 file is just a single load, but ballybin sees two loads.  Here
i= s an=20 example of the output when I try to archive Guess=20 Five:

D:\bally\ballybin>ballybin -b guess5.bin=20 wav\guess5.wav
BallyBin v1.2a

Released July 5, 2002
Written = by:=20 Bob Colbert

Decoding load 1
  Decoded 109 bytes
Decodin= g=20 load 2
  Decoded 30 bytes
End of .wav data reached.
Success= fully=20 converted .wav file wav\guess5.wav!

I get the same type of output = when=20 I archive handcont.wav- it wants
to create a 30 byte file.

I a= m=20 able to load and run handcont.wav, before cleanup, into
Astrobasic.&n= bsp;=20 I do have trouble loading guess5.wav though.  Anyway-
why is bal= lybin=20 trying to make a 30 byte load 2 file?

Adam Trionfo


Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C22ACD.6D4A66D0-- From ward.shrake@w... Sun Jul 14 01:04:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 08:04:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 44797 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 08:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 08:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 08:04:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.137] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 08:04:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:04:48 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D3101FE.6040300@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3017 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.65.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Lance F. Squire" wrote: (snip) > Side Considerstion: > > As long as the inforamtion on creating > one is preserved, (Did you publish your > memory saving method?) Nothing is truly > lost, as someone else can fill the void > if they see fit. Or do it them selves. > > The only real issue in this case is > availability of rom images. I never did get around to writing up the exact methodology I used to make memory usage more efficient. However, you are the first person to even remotely touch on the subject in months, so I have to believe it isn't exactly at the top of everyone's "I have a use for this and would love to have the information" lists. It's a low priority for me, in part because some people will think it is a pointless waste of bandwidth because it is technically over their heads, and others will think it is a pointless waste of bandwidth, because they feel it is technically "trivial". I can't help it that the audience is so split. My growing realization that I am a writer, at heart, increases the odds of that happening at some unknown, future point. Along with some other, non-Bally techie things. Those are really all that I feel the motivation to write about, any more, related to gaming. I make no promises as to what or when I'll write; just "when I feel like it". Even then, I only plan to write things up in brief "recipe" format, with the assumption that readers put in time and effort of their own to know what I am talking about, so that I don't have to explain every bit of minutia to an absolute beginner. That's just busy work. I have no motivation to do that; my time could be spent much better. As to ROM images, that's a thorny issue. I believe I mentioned here on the message boards, just days ago, that I could point people towards a stash of them... and got not a single peep regarding it. If you look at the web sites that Digital Press runs, you'll see that they just added an emulation section, just for the Astrocade. They do have some of the ROM images available, but they chose on their own not to put "everything" up. (Maybe they will later, or maybe not?) It is like Adam repeatedly says... if people don't show any REAL interest in a subject, and convince potential writers that writing about something will be more than a busy-work project, it will just die off quietly. Generally, all I see is a "ooh, ooh, gimme that" on some things, with zero follow-up over time. Or months of silence, then something like "hey, you son of a (bleep), you promised you'd give us all such-and-such". It doesn't strike me as overly motivating either way. Without some middle ground, and some sense that what we write will actually be read and used, why bother? (The zero-download Arcadian newsletter "public servant" comments come to mind here.) But maybe I'm just becoming a cantankerous old f*rt in my old age? I doubt it, but hey, feel free to think it if it feels good to do so! -- Ward Shrake -- From ward.shrake@w... Sun Jul 14 02:16:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 09:16:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 32250 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 09:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 09:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 09:16:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 09:16:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:16:51 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: TECH: no-waste multicart memory usage Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 9585 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.65.13 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Here is the short story on what I did, to make my multi-cart for the Bally Astrocade console be able to use every single byte of EPROM storage space, while easily mixing programs of different sizes. Previous DIP-switch based multi-carts made by other homebrew folks successfully mixed program sizes, but only at a huge cost in storage space. They simply padded every program stored on the EPROM out to the full length of the largest program, treating each program as if it were the size of all the others, even if it was only 25% as big. (In any such program 3/4 of the available program space was wasted.) The solution is a simple "OR" gate, combined with some planning on where you put the programs within the EPROM you are using. These "OR" gates have chip numbers in the 7432 series, to include the 74LS32 chip and perhaps other variants. I used the 74LS32 myself, as it uses less total power, in my Bally Astrocade multicart. Each one of these chips small, cheap, easily procured (at any place but Radio Shack) digital wonders has fourteen pins or legs. Two of these pins are used to supply power and ground voltage levels, as you'd expect. There are four seperate "OR" gate functions on the chip. Each of these uses three legs; two for input, one for output. For this reason, they are often referred to as a "Quad OR gate". To make a zero-storage-waste multicart, you use one of these "OR" gates on each of the EPROM address lines that may or may not be in use on all of the programs stored on that EPROM. In other words, if you are mixing 4k and 8k programs, you will have one upper address line that toggles the upper 4k in or out of the memory map. This is the line you should wire to the "OR" gate's output stage. If you have 4k, 8k and 16k programs, then you have two address lines to hook up, and so on. (The memory sizes are less relevant than the doubling, each time; it could also be 16k, 32k and 64k program sizes, etc.) You have four seperate OR gates to play with, on each chip, but in most cases two will likely be sufficient, since it is unlikely that a game system's cart ROMs more than quadrupled in size during its useful commercial lifetime, which usually only lasts a few years. One of each gate's two input lines should be hooked up to the card edge connector, as if that address line was being passed directly to the EPROM. So the 4k address line on the card edge goes to the 4k bank selection address line on the EPROM chip; nothing hard to grasp. The second input line on each gate should be hooked up to the DIP switch that you are using to manually select banks with. Be sure to pay attention to the memory sizes, and not confuse yourself by trying to mix them. If you are routing the 4k address line from the card edge to one "OR" gate input, route the 4k address bank select line from the DIP switch to that same gate's other input, and that same gate's single output to the 4k EPROM bank select line. I say this because you may want to leave yourself room for future expansion, as I did on my Arcadia 2001 multicart. The lowest two address lines, on the DIP switch, are not actually hooked up to anything, internally, because I used the more wasteful method of storage space on the early versions of that multicart. It made no real sense to get overly fancy, since ample space was available on the EPROM, due to large storage space and a small game library. On this particular set-up, the third DIP switch from the right was the lowest actually-connected address line, which directly controlled the 8k bank select line on the EPROM. If further expansion was desired, the second-from-right DIP switch would control the 4k line, and the DIP switch on the right would control the 2k line, with both of these lines being routed through the "OR" gate, then to the EPROM as described above. (This was also included to help others retro-fit this design into existing multicarts, if they should desire to do so.) The operational theory is this: an OR gate operates in such a way that if both input lines are zero, the output will also be zero. If either one input or the other is high or "one" then the output also goes to high or one. In simple language, any one in, is a one out. The only time you have a zero out, is when both inputs are at zero. Let's talk about a practical example, keeping it as simple as we can for now. This means we'll only be dealing with one address line. We'll call it the 4k bank select line, pretending that we are trying to mix both 4k and 8k game ROMs on a single EPROM, using them both. If you set the DIP switch to zero, then whatever signal the card edge connector is sending, will go straight on to the EPROM chip. If it is an 8k program, whenever it needs to use the upper 4k of memory, that line at the card edge will go high, and the upper bank is selected, just as it should be. However, if the program we're using is only 4k in length, then the program itself will never have a reason to use that upper 4k (as it was non-existant in the original game), so the 4k line will never go high. The second 4k program that is actually sitting inside the 4k bank will never be seen by the console, so it can't cause us any problems. This means that with the DIP switch set to zero, that as long as we put programs in even 4k bank divisions, that any 4k or 8k program should work. You just have to make sure that the start of either program is where it should be, letting the game console worry about switching the upper half of the program in. Let's say you set that same DIP switch to one. Now the "OR" gate sees a one in from that input. Any one in equals a one out, so even if the card edge wants the start of memory to be a zero, that we will be one block of division of memory higher than that. In other words, this acts like an unconditional override; we see only the upper 4k bank of memory, no matter what, if the 4k DIP switch line is set to one. Make sure you understand that, even if you have to re-read it again. With the DIP set to zero, the card edge controls things, so we can "see" a 4k program at the start of memory, followed by an "invisible" 4k program above it, in any 8k chunk of EPROM memory. With the DIP set to zero, we can never use that upper 4k as if it were a seperate 4k program. However, an 8k program that starts at the beginning of the first or lower 4k bank will work just fine, since the card edge can easily select the upper 4k whenever it wants to. But with the DIP set to one, the first 4k bank becomes "invisible" and the second 4k bank is the only one we can see. No matter what the card edge connector input tells the EPROM to do, it will be ignored. (Unless it tries to tell it to go high, which would be impossible for a 4k program to do, anyway, since there was no upper 4k originally.) The only real difficulty comes if you unintentionally off-set memory blocks, so that you have the DIP set to one, the lower 4k is the bottom half of an 8k program, and you're trying to treat the upper half of an 8k program as if it were a stand-alone 4k program. This will not work, since you're confusing the console quite a bit. The same basic thing happens if you unintentionally place an 8k program in EPROM memory, sticking halfway between two 8k banks. What you have to do is to figure out what the largest bank size is that you are going to use -- in this case, 8k -- and then to lay out your memory usage accordingly. Start each larger program at those intervals, as if you were hooking the EPROM directly to the DIPs and the OR gates were not being used. (Because on those, they are not.) But on the smaller programs -- in this case, 4k -- you split each one of the larger blocks of memory into two or four or whatever amount of program storage blocks that you are using. Each 8k bank, in this case, will contain a lower 4k program and an upper 4k program. Got all that? Good. Let's proceed. The only other trick to learn is to add more seperate address lines. If you add one more such address line under control you can manually override with the DIP switch, you end up with four memory blocks that can be used with zero storage waste... so long as you plan ahead. In this case, you'll have one 16k program with both DIPs set to zero. With the larger of the two DIPs in use, you have a lower and an upper 8k bank available to you. If you also use the second, smaller address line, you can sub-split those two 8k memory blocks into two 4k blocks each, for four total 4k blocks within that one 16k memory block. In the case of a retro-fit, just leave all your larger programs where they were originally, and control them directly with the DIPs, just as before. But however many times you want to cut the memory in half, that is the number of "OR" gates you want to splice into your control lines, between the card edge connector and the EPROM, with one DIP being added to the other "OR" gate input, to act as a manual override. When you erase the EPROM to reprogram it, simply replace the padding that was used before, with 1/2 or 1/4 sized programs. Figuring out what the new DIP switch positions will be shouldn't be too hard, if you are absolutely sure your larger programs did not move around in the chip's memory storage scheme. And that's it, really. Some people will think it is "trivial" and some may think it is quite clever. In any case, it is easy enough to implement, once you understand the theory behind it. -- Ward Shrake -- From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 14 08:18:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 15:18:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 53299 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 15:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 15:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 15:18:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:18:12 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:18:12 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] The shrinking number of working Astrocades Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:18:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 15:18:12.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB424850:01C22B49] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Bob wrote: << 1 hour and 15 minutes after reading this message my Astrocade died... I was in the process of writing it's obituary (sp?). I let it cool down for a while and it started working again. I opened it up and see that there is a primative heat-sink on what must be the data chip that Adam refers to. I think that tomorrow I will get/order a fan and install it... >> The "primitive heat sink" that Bob is referring to is the metal bar on top of the data chip- but that's not the heat sink. Strangly enough, the RF shielding is the heat-sink (it "attaches" to the bar). Tom Meeks claims that the Astrocade had fewer returns after this technique was used, but if you look at how it works, I just can't see it working all that great- though I do suppose it's better than nothing (but not by much). I've decided NOT to buy another Astrocade. I've had enough fail on me. I have to say when enough is enough. That time is now. The purpose of owning this equipment is to have FUN with it. I can't help that the Astrocade overheats and fails- but I can keep that from happening to me again (this is my third one). I just won't seek out another one. Now, at some point I'll pick another Astrocade up so that I can play my favorite carts (Dog Patch, for sure- it's not available on any other system), but eventually that Astrocade will fail too. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not calling it quits on the Astrocade: the Astrocade has called quits on me. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Sun Jul 14 08:39:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 15:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 70517 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 15:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 15:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 15:39:27 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020714153907.VSZM18868.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3D319AB9.70707@s...> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:37:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] 'Chicken' and 'Lookout for the Bull' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > You need to do this: > > :INPUT ;RUN > Oh, well, That does it! :) Guess I'll try that to auto start all the games. :) Lance From lasrtt@g... Sun Jul 14 09:46:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 16:46:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 47256 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 16:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 16:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 16:46:49 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GZ8ZY000.LDL for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:46:48 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.118.63]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GZ8ZXX00.U19 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:46:45 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c22b55$30139740$1b59fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:40:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C22B12.2126ECC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C22B12.2126ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: If you are becoming burned out or it is to much work or you'r just pla= in tired of the sweat, stress time then quit at 50 or where you are now. Wh= en doing something is no longer fun (or profitalbe) stop at 30 (of course t= hat includes mine LOL) or 50 or where ever you feel best. It most take a lot of effort to make even one let alone 50. I have a question why did you choose the number 50??? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: commie_fan=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? A question for the group. Please think your answers through before=20 posting; sleep on it first if you must, so as to respond logically. I=20 am not interested in hearing emotionally-based, unrealistic answers. As many of you know, I make the one-and-only multicart for the Bally=20 Astrocade console. It has pretty much every cart game anyone has ever=20 made public, and a number of tapes converted to cart form (by Mike=20 White, who has been into the Astrocade since it was sold in stores).=20 It works well, and those few that bought it seem to really like it. In a year of making them and offering them for sale, I have only had=20 27 paid orders, plus one for myself to play with, plus one special=20 one I made as an in-house testing unit. That's 29 total, globally. I=20 have four more partially finished ones sitting here, that need to be=20 completed. I have the raw parts for another dozen or so available. Although those numbers may seem low by some standards, that's still=20 far more actual completed-and-shipped products than some companies=20 created during the Bally Astrocade's commercial life-time. Some made=20 as few as six of their promised items; I've done far more than that. My question is this... is there any reason that I should NOT simply=20 limit my total production run to fifty (50) carts? And then "quit"? Stop and think, before you post. I already know all the reasons why=20 it would be a good thing for the group, blah, blah, blah. But what is=20 in it for me? What personal reasons do I have to go beyond 50 carts?=20 Each one costs me a day of my life to make; keep that firmly in mind. Please note that I am ONLY interested in hearing GOOD, sane, logical=20 reasons for going over 50 carts total. These ideal reasons will take=20 my own time and effort into full account, if you want me to take them=20 seriously. Any "but we want all the candy in the candy store" type of=20 replies are going to be mentally brushed aside by me as unrealistic=20 fantasies. I do not easily buy into the idea that I 'owe' this or any=20 other group something, so don't try to guilt-trip me beyond 50. But I=20 am interested in hearing objective reasons, if any can be offered? The simple reality is, I do NOT see myself making more than 100 of=20 these carts, ever, in my life-time. It is too much work, and not=20 enough reward. (Even ignoring the ever-shrinking market for them,=20 thanks to the fact that the Astrocades seem to have reliability=20 issues that may end up simply being impossible to solve.) So the=20 final count is going to be 100 or less, regardless. So why not just=20 call it "50 total" and be done with it? That's what I am wondering. Thanks in advance for your appropriate responses. -- Ward Shrake -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C22B12.2126ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi:
     If you are becomi= ng burned=20 out or it is to much work or you'r just plain tired of the sweat, stress ti= me=20 then quit at 50 or where you are now. When doing something is no longer fun= (or=20 profitalbe) stop at 30 (of course that includes mine LOL) or 50 or where ev= er=20 you feel best.
     It most take a lo= t of=20 effort to make even one let alone 50.
     I have a question= why did=20 you choose the number 50???
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 commie_fan
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:21= =20 PM
Subject: [ballyalley] Multi-cart=20 question: should I stop at 50?

A question for the group. Please think your answers th= rough=20 before
posting; sleep on it first if you must, so as to respond logic= ally.=20 I
am not interested in hearing emotionally-based, unrealistic=20 answers.

As many of you know, I make the one-and-only multicart fo= r the=20 Bally
Astrocade console. It has pretty much every cart game anyone ha= s=20 ever
made public, and a number of tapes converted to cart form (by Mi= ke=20
White, who has been into the Astrocade since it was sold in stores).= =20
It works well, and those few that bought it seem to really like=20 it.

In a year of making them and offering them for sale, I have on= ly=20 had
27 paid orders, plus one for myself to play with, plus one specia= l=20
one I made as an in-house testing unit. That's 29 total, globally. I= =20
have four more partially finished ones sitting here, that need to be= =20
completed. I have the raw parts for another dozen or so=20 available.

Although those numbers may seem low by some standards,= =20 that's still
far more actual completed-and-shipped products than some= =20 companies
created during the Bally Astrocade's commercial life-time. = Some=20 made
as few as six of their promised items; I've done far more than=20 that.

My question is this... is there any reason that I should NOT= =20 simply
limit my total production run to fifty (50) carts? And then=20 "quit"?

Stop and think, before you post. I already know all the re= asons=20 why
it would be a good thing for the group, blah, blah, blah. But wha= t is=20
in it for me? What personal reasons do I have to go beyond 50 carts?= =20
Each one costs me a day of my life to make; keep that firmly in=20 mind.

Please note that I am ONLY interested in hearing GOOD, sane,= =20 logical
reasons for going over 50 carts total. These ideal reasons wi= ll=20 take
my own time and effort into full account, if you want me to take= them=20
seriously. Any "but we want all the candy in the candy store" type of= =20
replies are going to be mentally brushed aside by me as unrealistic=20
fantasies. I do not easily buy into the idea that I 'owe' this or any= =20
other group something, so don't try to guilt-trip me beyond 50. But I= =20
am interested in hearing objective reasons, if any can be=20 offered?

The simple reality is, I do NOT see myself making more th= an=20 100 of
these carts, ever, in my life-time. It is too much work, and n= ot=20
enough reward. (Even ignoring the ever-shrinking market for them,=20
thanks to the fact that the Astrocades seem to have reliability
i= ssues=20 that may end up simply being impossible to solve.) So the
final count= is=20 going to be 100 or less, regardless. So why not just
call it "50 tota= l"=20 and be done with it? That's what I am wondering.

Thanks in advance= for=20 your appropriate responses.

-- Ward Shrake --



= Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



You= r use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C22B12.2126ECC0-- From ballyalley@h... Sun Jul 14 10:03:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 17:03:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 29453 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 17:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 17:03:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 17:03:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:03:05 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:03:05 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:03:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 17:03:05.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[51E67790:01C22B58] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Rick asked Ward, "why did you choose the number 50?" Russ asked a similar question. Ward meant fifty or less- but now someone will ask the question of why fifty or less and not forty-seven or less. Fifty is a round number; it's half of a hundred. If I made fifty carts for a system that would be a good, easy number to remember. In twenty years, Ward can say, "I made fifty multicarts for the Astrocade;" it's a lot easier to remember thatn than "I made thirty seven carts plus one for testing, plus another for myself, plus I had parts for three others which I didn't make." Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ward.shrake@w... Sun Jul 14 14:03:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 21:03:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 53289 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2002 21:03:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:03:28 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3072 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.64.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > Rick asked Ward, "why did you choose > the number 50?" Russ asked a similar > question. Ward meant fifty or less- > but now someone will ask the question > of why fifty or less and not forty-seven > or less. Fifty is a round number; it's > half of a hundred. If I made fifty carts > for a system that would be a good, easy > number to remember. In twenty years, Ward > can say, "I made fifty multicarts for the > Astrocade;" it's a lot easier to remember > thatn than "I made thirty seven carts plus > one for testing, plus another for myself, > plus I had parts for three others which I > didn't make." > > Adam Yeah, what he said. :-) There is no magic number. Most other homebrew guys have made between 20 and 50 carts, from what I can see. (I wish people tracked this stuff better?) A rare few homebrew types make 100 and then stop. In a more "pretending to be a company" mode, there have even been as many as 200 or so carts made. Fifty lets me feel like I made "enough" of these things before I stopped, without making it my life's work. It also is a number that collectors like, to feel their stuff is worth something; that it is special, and not just mass-produced trinkets. Some people are not happy even if you make hundreds of carts; they feel you owe it to the world to make more and more and more, no matter what the cost is to you, personally. Other people -- usually customers that already have one of your products -- are more than happy to tell you to close the doors, feeling that once you stop all further production, that the item they own rises in perceived value. So no matter what number you pick, someone will be upset with you. I'm not going to try to set a date in advance. Too many things in my life are changing, all around me, lately. Some are changes I'm going out of my way to bring on, others are beyond my control. In any case, I'm trying to balance new ways of doing things, and newly-won senses of freedom, with just enough of a sense of normality to feel stable and comfortable. Too much change and unfamiliarity, all at once, can be stressful, even when it is ultimately change for the better. I'm just gonna go with the flow, on the idea of an "I'm done now" date. I know what works for me; some things I'm wondering about sorta work themselves out quietly, internally, then burst to the surface suddenly. An example might be the way I handled removing my two web sites (Arcadia 2001 and Commodore VIC-20) from the servers over at "ClassicGaming.com". I was upset with their editor's published homebrew game-maker bashing, for almost a year. I threatened to pull my web sites, then did nothing, for many months. I let the idea sit and percolate, watching my feelings closely. When my feelings on the matter didn't improve, and they added fuel to the fire, it boiled over. I got up one morning, and just decided it was time to take them down. So I took them down. It felt like the right time to do that. -- Ward Shrake -- From komb@s... Sun Jul 14 17:36:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 00:36:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 57447 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 00:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 00:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 00:36:05 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020715003611.EXAQ26542.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3D32187F.7020708@s...> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:34:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] TECH: no-waste multicart memory usage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian commie_fan wrote: > Here is the short story on what I did, to make my multi-cart for the > Bally Astrocade console be able to use every single byte of EPROM > storage space, while easily mixing programs of different sizes. > I had thought it was sonething like this, however I haden't thought through the problem your or gates solve. Nice work. it'a a keeper. Lance From rcolbert@c... Mon Jul 15 21:29:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 04:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 32854 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 04:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 04:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 04:29:51 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020716042949.GJSS3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:29:49 -0400 To: Subject: bin -> basic Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D32187F.7020708@s...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware Here is output from my quickly-put-together .bin to basic program. This is from Little Terrestrial: 5 CLEAR ;i;CY=0;PRINT " PLAYERS", 6 P=&(28)/72+1;CX=0;PRINT #0,P,;IF TR(1)=0GOTO 6 7 i;FOR A=1TO P;CY=Q;CX=A*40-114;PRINT #0,A;NEXT A 8 I=1;GOSUB 14;BOX 0,0,160,88,3 9 G=5*P-1;FOR A=0TO 8;@(A)=0;NEXT A;GOTO 78 11 BOX 0,-4,140,75,2;CY=29;CX=-65;PRINT #0,G/P;RETURN 12 S=S+(M+1)*T 13 CY=Q;CX=-107+I*40;PRINT #4,S,;@(I+4)=S;RETURN 14 FOR A=0TO 20;BOX I*40-115,Q,8,8,3;NEXT A;RETURN 15 FOR MO=HTO 9STEP 65;GOSUB Q;NEXT MO 16 BOX A,B,3,18-M,3;RETURN 20 %(U)=C;E=%(V);CALLR;%(U)=D 21 %(V)=%(V)+2304;CALLR;%(V)=E;RETURN 39 CALLR;RETURN 40 E=4;IF PX(X,-Y+44+L)+PX(X+J,-Y+44+L)=2RETURN 41 CLEAR ;VC=9;VR=Q;GOSUB Q;FOR Y=YTO Y-10STEP -2;E=E+1 42 %(V)=%(V)-512+(J*2);X=X+J*2;GOSUB Q;TC=*(E) 43 GOSUB Q;NEXT Y;GOSUB Q;VR=9;VF=2;RETURN 50 C=131;D=132;B=0;L=0;FOR A=KTO HSTEP -1033;L=L+1 53 %(V)=A+B;GOSUB 20;B=B+L;TC=-B-15;GOSUB 20;NEXT A 54 GOSUB 15;X=0;D=129+J;GOSUB 70;CLEAR ;GOTO 78 60 CY=11;CX=-17;PRINT "THE END 61 IF TR(1)RUN 62 GOTO 61 63 GOSUB Q;GOSUB 69;GOSUB 20 64 GOSUB 13;GOSUB 14;CLEAR ;G=G-1;IF G<0GOTO 60 65 I=I+1;IF I>P I=1 66 GOSUB 14;GOTO 78 69 TC=3;D=%(U) 70 C=134;VF=1;FOR A=%(V)-2304TO KSTEP 767+(X<0)*3 71 %(V)=A;GOSUB 20;TC=TC+8;GOSUB 20;NEXT A;RETURN 75 L=L+1;@(I)=L*10+M;GOSUB 12 78 S=@(I+4);L=@(I)/10;M=RM;%(V)=3144;GOSUB 11 80 X=0;BC=*(L)/O;FC=RM;VF=0;GOTO 81+L 81 X=-54;Z=0;T=90;GOTO T 82 Z=10+M;T=200;GOTO T 83 GOTO O 84 T=200;Z=10;GOTO T 85 M=M+(M<7)*2;@(I)=M;GOTO 50 90 FOR A=-36TO 20STEP 9 91 BOX A,A,13-M,2,1;NEXT A;GOTO 215 100 X=-65;Y=30;T=1;VA=9;VC=9;GOSUB Q 110 FOR A=-60TO 60STEP 30;T=T+1;BOX A,-5,3,78,1 120 FOR B=-Q-RND (18)TO 49STEP T;C=(B+45)/12;TA=RM+9 130 VR=9;BOX A,B,3,18-M,3;BOX A,B-T,3,18-M,3 140 J=JX(1);X=X+J*2;Y=Y-JY(1)*2;TC=TA+1 150 CALLR;%(U)=129-J;%(V)=Y*256+X+72 160 IF PX(X,-Y+38)GOSUB 15;GOSUB 12;GOTO 64 180 CALLR;IF X54BOX A+Z/2,B+12,Z,3,3 225 IF (T=0)+(D>4)>0GOTO 63 230 J=JX(1);X=X+J*2;IF FIF TR(1)GOSUB 40 232 F=0;IF PX(X,-Y+34)F=1;D=0 236 IF F=0Y=Y+3;D=D+1 240 CALLR;%(U)=129-J;%(V)=Y*256+X+72 241 IF ABS(X)>69A=O;GOSUB 15;GOTO 64 245 CALLR;IF Y=16IF FGOTO 75 250 NEXT A;IF -Y+42>BNEXT B 260 GOTO 220 From komb@s... 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X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 05:11:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 58848 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 05:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 05:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 05:11:10 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020716051048.ERVT1514.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:10:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3D33AA77.1060400@s...> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:09:11 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] bin -> basic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > Here is output from my quickly-put-together .bin to basic program. > This is from Little Terrestrial: > > 5 CLEAR ;i;CY=0;PRINT " PLAYERS", Whow, Ya beat me too it! :) Way to go, Now doing the inverse should be easy. The program probably won't just work as typed. It probably also needs pre-loaded variables. You'll notice how it calls a ml routine at R, but R is never set. The ml is most likely at the bottom of the stack, with any graphic data. Lance From ward.shrake@w... Tue Jul 16 00:31:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 07:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12424 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 07:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 07:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 07:31:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 07:31:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:31:25 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TECH: no-waste multicart memory usage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D32187F.7020708@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1527 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.68.124 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., "Lance F. Squire" wrote: (snip) > I had thought it was sonething like > this, however I haden't thought > through the problem your or gates > solve. Nice work. > > it'a a keeper. > > Lance Thanks, Lance. I appreciate that praise. It is hard writing for a split audience; where some folks are really into something technical, and others are not. I'm sure some guys will think a long write-up about "OR" gates was a waste of time, but since Lance reminded me I had not done what I said I was gonna do, that seemed like a good time to do it, and knock it off my "to do" list. I will say this; it was written late and night, and some parts could be clearer. (I'm allowed to pick on my own writings, right?) I did not post it to the files section, specifically because I felt it needed one more pass through, to clarify some things that might be seen as having dual meanings... nit-picky stuff, but important in a technical article, especially if parts of the audience may be put off or confused by such things. Anyway, that's on the back burner, but I do plan to do it, sometime before I kick the bucket. ;-) I have plans to put up some other stuff related to gaming tech, on a special web site that I'll eventually put up on Digital Press' web servers, along with my old Commodore VIC-20 site. (The Arcadia site is already there now.) Just little articles, here and there, if and when I get into that sort of a mood. (Which I likely will, at times.) -- Ward Shrake -- From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 16 06:11:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 13:11:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 58483 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 13:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 13:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 13:11:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 13:11:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:11:19 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: bin -> basic Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4505 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Here is output from my quickly-put-together .bin to basic program. This is from Little Terrestrial: >> Nicely done! Here are several questions and a couple of BASIC memory maps: 1) Line 5 has the only lower-case letter that I can see in the program, "CLEAR ;i;" Why? If my Astrocade was working I'd check to see what this character is meant to be, but since I can't, can someone else tell me? 2) In line 6, "P=&(28)/72+1" is the '/' a 'divided by' sign (which isn't part of the ASCII set)? 3) In line 12, "S=S+(M+1)*T" is the asterisk the 'times' sign? 4) Lance already mentioned this, but in line 39, "39 CALLR;RETURN" there is a call to a machine language subroutine. Since R is not set in the program, just like Lance said, it must be set before the program is saved, meaning it gets loaded along with the program. 5) Following are three memory maps of Astrobasic, each containing some information that the other is lacking. Here is a memory map of Astrobasic (NOT Bally BASIC) taken from Vol. 3, Page 77 of the Arcadian: Decimal Hexadecimal ------------ ----------- On Board ROM Area 0 - 8191 0 - 1FFF BASIC ROM Area 8192 - 12287 2000 - 2FFF Screen Memory Area 16384 - 20479 4000 - 4FFF Graphics Program Area 16384 - 19983 4000 - 4E10 Scratchpad Area 20000 - 20463 4E20 - 4FEF Variables Start at 20002 4E22 Line Input Buffer 20154 - 20257 4EBA - 4F21 Stack Area 20258 - 20415 4F22 - 4FBF Text Array Area -24576 to -22777 A000 - A70C To the above, Don Gladden adds this from his similar memory map found in Volume 5 on page 175 of the Arcadian: 20000 End of program marker. Print it to find out the last address your BASIC program uses.) "SZ" is calculated using this location. 20002-20089 One and two-letter variables. (two bytes each. 20090-20153 Odds and ends that BASIC uses. George Moses breaks down the memory map even more by giving exact memory locations for each variable in volume 5, page 59 of the Arcadian: Single Letter Variables 20002 A 20004 B 20006 C 20008 D 20010 E 20012 F 20014 G 20016 H 20018 I 20020 J 20022 K 20024 L 20026 M 20028 N 20030 O 20032 P 20034 Q 20036 R 20038 S 20040 T 20042 U 20044 V 20046 W 20048 X 20050 Y 20052 Z Color Variables 20054 BC 20056 FC Note Timer 20058 NT Screen Formatting Variables 20060 CX 20062 CY 20064 XY Music Processor Variables 20066 MO 20068 TA 20070 TB 20072 TC 20074 VR 20076 VF 20078 VC 20080 NM 20082 VA 20084 VB 20086 NV Remainder of Last Division 20088 RM Scroll Mode Variable 20090 SM 6) In reference to comment 4, here is an example of what can happen when the "extra" parts of a program are not printed: Volume 5, page 77 of the "Arcadian" prints a correction for a "Piano Playing Program" written by Mike Peace (the author of L.T.). This program has been archived already by Bob Colbert and can be downloaded from his temporary FTP site as part of the archive "Little Terrestrial.zip" (the program is called "Music Keyboard"). The correction in the Arcadian says, "Sorry folks, but when I typed up the article and the program furnished by Mike Peace nobody told me you had to load STAR STRING LOCATIONS 0 thru 51 with the following values. Therefore, anybody who typed in Mike Peace's fantastic music keyboard program last month wouldn't be able to get it to work." The correct then goes on to list the fifty-one values that must be loaded into the array. Here are the first three (just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about here): *(0)=198 *(1)=180 *(2)=171 When the program is saved, BASIC saves the array as well (as well as all variables and every other piece of memory too). A good explanation of these arrays can be found in Volume 5, page 113 in a tutorial by Don Gladden called, "How to Use 'String' Arrays." 7) Bob, maybe when a BASIC program is dumped, these locations can be dumped too: Scratchpad (4E20-4FEF), Variables (4E22-4E7A), Line Input Buffer (4EBA-4F21), Stack Area (4F22-4FBF) and Text Array Area (A000- A70C) too. I'm basing these hex areas on the memory maps from above. Notice that there are still some unknown areas... Adam From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 16 06:18:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 13:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 87241 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 13:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 13:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 13:18:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 13:18:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:18:08 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Astrocade newsletters are overflowing with info! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 766 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I just posted some Astrobasic memory map information that I pulled together from the Arcadian newsletter. It took me about an hour and a half to find all of that data and then retype it, but it would have taken FAR longer to re-discover that same information. The Astrocade newsletters are filled with information like this- but to find it they really do have to be dug through. I suggest, if you can, printing out the newsletters from ballyalley.com and binding them into books; that's what I did. I have three Arcadian books: Vol. 1- 2, Vol. 3-4, and Vol. 6-7. If you saw all this information together, your jaw would drop! And I'm not hording this information to myself; this is all available to anyone that cares to download it and READ it. Adam From komb@s... Tue Jul 16 20:04:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 03:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 59904 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 03:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 03:04:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 03:04:05 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020717030412.ZOTZ21371.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:04:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3D34DE2E.90700@s...> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:02:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: bin -> basic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian atrionfo wrote: > > 1) Line 5 has the only lower-case letter that I can see in the > program, "CLEAR ;i;" Why? If my Astrocade was working I'd > check to see what this character is meant to be, but since I > can't, can someone else tell me? > > ? i ascii character 105 = CLEAR in BallyBasic. Why you would have 2 of these in a row is a mystery. Also why the program would translate one and not the other. Unless it translated then dumped it anyway! Maybe a fall through error? Lance P.S. Nice work on the memory mapping. You only missed the * and @ arrays. This is a tricky one! Dig, dig, dig... Ah HA! ...Cross referencing... Text Array Area -24576 to -22777 A000 - A70C Should read: Text/Array Area... The end of the BASIC program, pointed to by TXTUNF (4E20h 20000d) is the start of the @(x) array. @(x) array continues until it runs into A70C (-22777d). Now this means you can't store anything in an @(x) array till AFTER your program is finnished, as it will overrun the current @(x) array position. To solve this, and to allow dual array programming AstroBasic (The Basic with the audio jack) added the *(x) array. This one starts at A70C and works back towards TXTUNF, wherever that may be pointing at the time. What happens where the 2 arrays cross? I'm not sure. Lance From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 18 04:24:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 11:24:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2132 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 11:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 11:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 11:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 11:24:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:24:40 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hello from Dick Ainsworth Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4918 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I'm forwarding this message to the discussion group because it's such a good read (it just appeared in my email box, right out of the blue, this morning). I removed the senders contact info, but if anyone has any questions for him, post them here and I will forward them along. - Adam Hello... I would be interested in being able to run old Bally BASIC programs under a current VisualBASIC. I would like to demonstrate some of my early Bally software on a current Windows system. Incidentally, I wrote the Bally BASIC book and the companion cassette, and designed the Easy-Entry Keypad that made the original Arcade programmable. I also designed the Bally music notation system for the keypad. Jay wrote the actual language. Many of my early Bally programs also appeared in my Sinclair Learning Lab, the Color Computer Learning Lab, and a few other books. The latest iteration of my Space Docking and other early Bally software still lives and is part of the Ainsworth Computer Seminar, a free download from my personal web page. Even before Bally BASIC, I designed the Bingo Math cartridge. This was the first use of interval timing, which later became the core of my Typing Tutor software (Microsoft, IBM, Simon & Schuster) and the current Ainsworth Keyboard Training System. Interval timing, which I also called time response monitoring and adaptive learning, was a major breakthrough in interactive computing. Bingo Math was much more sophisticated than most people realized. It actually sensed response times accurately enough to adjust the challenge level so that people with very different abilities would be evenly matched. It also made it possible to learn arithmetic facts easily because it differentiated between facts you knew and answered quickly, and combinations that were still being learned. In short, the program adjusted the mix of known and unknown math facts to create a constant challenge level, which is both fun and the ideal way to learn anything. This early concept is now the primary software technology behind many interactive educational programs, but it was done first on the Bally Arcade. I've forgotten which programmer I worked with in implementing my design for this cartridge. It was probably Jay, but I'm not sure. I think that the tape cassette that I wrote for the Bally BASIC cartridge was the first -- or certainly one of the first -- examples of personal computer software for the mass market. The cassette with Bill's Microsoft BASIC was released at the same time. In fact, I first met Bill at the GRT recording studio where we were recording masters for the Bally BASIC cassette and Microsoft BASIC cassette, so the release dates would be nearly identical. I don't know of anyone who had sold personal software to a mass market before this. If you have other examples, please let me know. I also designed the planetarium program which never completed production (although it made it into a few of the vaporware ads), as well as a few others. The Arcade was truly a remarkable computer, which I introduced at CES with a complete show-and-tell theatre. Bally asked me to do the CES intro because I looked the part. I was a Chicago ad agency exec at the time and didn't look too much like one of those "computer people" the Bally management never actually trusted. Too bad the management at Bally couldn't see the wisdom of the personal computer evolution in time to fully fund the project. They even refused to allow the word "computer" anywhere in the title or in the advertising because they were convinced that this word would scare people into thinking it was too difficult for the average person to understand. Hence the name Astrocade which none of us liked at the time. After the Arcade fizzled commercially, and a brief flirtation with the APF computer (what a dog), I jumped on the Color Computer as the next logical platform, writing another book with tape software, and designing almost half of the cartridges that were sold in Radio Shack. VisiCalc, the Apple, and the first floppy disk was the combination that changed the personal computer from a game machine for fans (or the world's most expensive desk ornament) into a serious personal computer system for the first time. Since many executives could do financial forecasts, they immediately fell in love with the original spread sheet on the Apple. But since most of them couldn't type, my Microsoft Typing Tutor was a natural solution and became an immediate best seller. But it was the Bally Arcade and the prospect of actually figuring out how to write software all by myself (with much help from Jay and other Friends) that introduced (addicted) me to computers in the first place. And I haven't looked back since. Now if I could only figure out all this .NET business... Regards... ...Dick Ainsworth From fmillera@p... Thu Jul 18 18:32:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 01:32:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 8655 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 01:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 01:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 01:32:15 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.242.225]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZH00E2L2XQAD@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:32:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Hello from Dick Ainsworth In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020718183115.00a96378@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 11:24 AM 7/18/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I'm forwarding this message to the discussion group because it's such >a good read (it just appeared in my email box, right out of the blue, >this morning). I removed the senders contact info, but if anyone has >any questions for him, post them here and I will forward them along. - >Adam > >Hello... Snip! Adam; Please forward my best regards to Dick. We worked together at DNI (he a consultant, me an employee) Cheers, Tony Miller From komb@s... Thu Jul 18 19:54:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 02:54:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 54899 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 02:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 02:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 02:54:41 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020719025429.WMOM10226.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:54:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3D377EF7.7000307@s...> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:52:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Hello from Dick Ainsworth References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian atrionfo wrote: > I'm forwarding this message to the discussion group because it's such > a good read (it just appeared in my email box, right out of the blue, > this morning). I removed the senders contact info, but if anyone has > any questions for him, post them here and I will forward them along. - > Adam > Cool, I'd start with our usual stuff here: Release software. Who to ask to release software. Bally/Astrocade life story... Apart from that, Did he mean 'Professional Arcade' when he said 'Astrocade'? It was Astrovision that called the unit the 'Astrocade' wasn't it? This leads to the 4 name plate question. Re: Home Library Computer/Professional Arcade/Computer System/Astrocade Lance From komb@s... Tue Jul 23 17:07:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 00:07:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 28530 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 00:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 00:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.184) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 00:07:29 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020724000725.YALJ16788.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3D3DEF44.6090401@s...> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:05:24 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: More from Dick Ainsworth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian As Adam is inconvenienced by his move he asked me to pass on the questions and such to Mr. Ainsworth. I'm not sure I did as good a job as Adam could have, but I'm sure you'll be happy with the results. So with NO further delay: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Lance and friends... I'm happy to respond as best I can remember. I sent a copy of my previous email to Jamie for comment and she now has no corrections or additions to my earlier statements. Actually, I said: "Try to catch any of the more blatant lies." But her recollection and mine are fairly in sync. As you point out, I did make an error re the name "Astrocade." This name came later. It is accurate that Bally refused to use the name "computer" anywhere because it would (they thought) kill sales to people because computers were too difficult. I should have said "Professional Arcade" instead of "Astrocade" as the name they chose to avoid saying "computer." (If you can, simply correct this in my earlier text.) Bally marketing... Bally's original marketing concept for the Arcade was to sell a "professional" version of the coin-op games. Essentially, they wanted to create a box to sell into the home that would get all the money at once instead of getting the money one quarter at a time. They had no interest in computers, or anything else technical. These are the same guys who made their fortune building slot machines and roulette tables, after all. I was originally contacted by Bally as a marketing consultant, and asked to make the Arcade "Look like it's educational." Those were the exact words. "Look like" meant, as a marketing ploy, do something that would allow coin-op players to feel justified in buying the Arcade for their homes. I asked if I could solve this marketing problem by design a program that would actually teach something useful, and have this programmed as a game cartridge by the people at DNA. They said, "Sure, as long as it looks educational and helps sell the Arcade." After some thought, I realized that I actually did have a real computer to use, not just a game machine, and I also had access to some of the best programming talent on the planet to boot. I designed "Bingo Math" as an interactive system with two goals. First, I wanted to help all the zillions of kids who had trouble with math because they didn't know the basic math facts (2 + 2 = 4, etc.) And second, I wanted to make a system that would be a constant challenge for any person at any level, and also a game that two people could play with an equal challenge for both. Two kids, a kid and a parent, etc. could compete at the "game" while learning math. Losing at the game would be easy to accept, and not at all the same as "losing" at math. This is a serious problem, and well worth solving. Interactive programming... I borrowed the basic idea of adjusting challenge levels from the coin-op game designers at DNA. Their challenge in effective coin-op design is similar in that, in order to extract as many quarters as possible, they had to design games that were fun for the novice player and for the expert alike. In fact, getting more or less equal playing time for players at any level was a basic goal that would optimize the play per quarter equation. I simply changed the goal to provide an equal learning partner (teacher) that would provide the right mix of easy and difficult challenges for someone learning a new task. My goal was to shift math facts from slow memory (having to figure out the answer while trying to add, subtract, multiply, divide) to high-speed memory where this data can be retrieved instantly, without thought. This is the difference between being able to run down a column of figures in your head and get the sum easily, or struggling with each step and often getting the sum wrong. I was, quite simply, using the computer for programming people, instead of the other way around. The DNA guys bought into this idea right away and we worked together to create the first ideal teacher, "Bingo Math" based on my design. This is the same concept I would use later in creating the first Typing Tutor program for Microsoft and IBM -- and now my current Ainsworth Keyboard Trainer and Ainsworth Keypad Trainer software. The goal here is to "program" people's responses so that they can look at the screen and focus on the content, instead of looking at the keyboard and interrupting their train of thought. There's lots more about this on my web site at qwerty.com. In fact, anyone is welcome to download Sampler4 from my web site (free) and see how the original concepts in Bingo Math have evolved to teach both writing and data entry skills. Select "Alphabet" and run a few games. The program collects micro-timing data for each key on the keyboard while the game is in progress. Switch to "Prescription Drills, Alphabet" and look at the graph. This shows the output of the cognitive modeling software (actual AI stuff) that determines which keys you are looking at or visualizing. The keys with shorter bars are the ones that slow down your game, and also may make writing or programming more difficult than it has to be for you. Click on the "Show Keys" button so that you can watch what's going on. Now type a few Prescription Drills and see how the program tracks your slower keys, actually forcing these responses into your high-speed or motor memory. This focused learning will eliminating the hesitations and any tendency to visualize the process (keys and hands) instead of the result (words on screen). After a few drills, the graph will tend to flatten out. If so, you've actually eliminated the tendency to visualize certain keys. Now run the games again and you may see your score go up a bit. Now try writing something using email or any word processor and notice that writing is actually easier when keyboard visualizations aren't blocking the creative process. The degree to which this interactive programming actually improves your ability to write (thoughts made visible) depends, of course, on how much you tend to visualize the process instead of your ideas in the first place -- and how much time you spend with my software. But it does work. And this interactive programming concept, using interval timing of the keyboard, was first created for and programmed on the Bally Arcade. Another comment on game programming in general... There was (maybe still is) a general snobbishness among some of the mainframe programmers who tended to look down on people write game software. This is similar to the paintbrush artists who sometimes think that people who draw cartoons and comic books aren't quite the same as "real" artists who paint pictures. Boo hiss. I delight in exploding this myth with the following story that I repeat for anyone who thinks that making a living by telling big computers how to calculate bills and print checks is somehow better than writing software that's fun to use... If you think that game programming is easy, go to the nearest shopping mall. Walk up to the first group of teenagers you see and ask each of them to hand you a quarter. You will, of course, do something in exchange -- tell a story, do a dance, sing, draw pictures, make funny faces, juggle phone books, take your cloths off, (or all of the above, at the same time) etc. If you are somehow successful, then ask them each to give you another quarter and you will do it all over again. Ha! Creating anything that is truly fun or interesting is a lot harder than it looks. Kids (and quite a few adults) aren't stupid. It takes real talent to write software -- or to write anything else -- that matters. In my opinion, creating software that's both fun and educational is a great deal more worthwhile that making electric money zip around or whatever. About copyrights, etc... I'm glad to place all of my original software on the Bally Arcade in the public domain. This includes the original Bally BASIC programming book and software, the cassette program software that was shipped with the audio interface, and the Bally demo cartridge. The later version of the Bally BASIC programming book also included content and examples from the Astrocade group, so I am not sure who may own copyright on this. Anyone who cares is also welcome to use or copy the Easy-Entry Keypad. As I recently mentioned to Jamie, I hope that legions of Bally programmers with bloody index fingers don't track us down and lynch us both for designing that one. In the "Ideas that didn't make it into Prime Time" department, Jamie and I discovered only slightly too late that we could have selected the colors on the keypad so that if the keypad is illuminated by the light from the TV screen, pressing any color key would automatically light up the corresponding functions (only) on the keypad. But it's amazing that so many of our ideas actually did see the light of day. The Bally BASIC book revisited... A few years ago I revised many of the ideas in the original Bally BASIC programming book, and added a few from later books I wrote for the Color Computer, Sinclair Z-80, etc, as the Ainsworth Computer Seminar. This is distributed free from my personal page on the Internet. I used QuickBASIC as the model for the program/examples. I also created a proprietary html browser that I could use to interact directly with (run) software as html links. This worked well, but current Windows systems don't support sounds using the internal speaker, as with QuickBASIC. I tried to get Microsoft to release QuickBASIC as public domain, but they refused. I have no idea why, since they used to give QuickBASIC away on the early Windows CD. Hence my seminar no longer works well where sound effects are concerned. I've been meaning to revise the seminar for Windows and external speakers, but haven't done so yet. And so, forth... There's a tendency, today, to think that computers, and especially personal computers, all happened on the west coast or in a garage someplace, and that people in the midwest know more about cow chips than computer chips. Too bad. It amazes and saddens me that so many "histories" of early computing simply ignore the incredible contributions of the DNA group. Not only were they there, they were there first, and they were there best. If Bally management had been convinced to effectively market the first personal computer instead of building a new casino... If they had invested as much money on the entire development and programming staff that they spend on just one catalog ad for the Arcade... Well, who knows? I'm just glad that so many people, bloody index fingers and all, have discovered the incredible creative power of the personal computer thanks to the game box that even looks like it's educational. Regards to all... Dick Ainsworth ainsworth@q... www.qwerty.com/dahome.htm From ballyalley@h... Tue Jul 23 20:26:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 03:26:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 34925 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 03:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 03:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 03:26:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:26:02 -0700 Received: from 24.164.178.32 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:26:02 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] More from Dick Ainsworth Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:26:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 03:26:02.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[D62A0470:01C232C1] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.178.32] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I just want to thank Lance for doing such a great job following up with Dick Ainsworth. Lance's questions and Dick's answers are a fun-filled read. Thanks for the excellent legwork! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Wed Jul 24 14:08:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 21:08:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 61578 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 21:08:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:08:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2002 21:08:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:08:34 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bally/Astro BASIC differences Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 650 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo What are all of the differences between Astrobasic and the original Bally BASIC? Here are some of them (I know there are more): 1) Astrobasic runs faster than Bally BASIC 2) BASIC lines need to be shorter in AstroBASIC if using ML subroutines (because the pre-fetch area is used to store code). 3) On-board ROM differences (three slightly different ROMS) 4) MUSIC written in Bally BASIC sounds screwed-up in Astro Basic 5) Bally BASIC lacks several music commands that were added to Astrobasic. What's missing from this list? If programs are going to be archived, then we need to know which BASIC carts each program will run on. Adam From komb@s... Wed Jul 24 15:19:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 22:19:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 45792 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 22:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 22:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 22:19:28 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020724221929.PSHO11295.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:19:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3D3F2773.7030003@s...> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:17:23 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally/Astro BASIC differences References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian atrionfo wrote: > What are all of the differences between Astrobasic and the original > Bally BASIC? Here are some of them (I know there are more): > > 1) Astrobasic runs faster than Bally BASIC > 2) BASIC lines need to be shorter in AstroBASIC if using ML > subroutines (because the pre-fetch area is used to store > code). > 3) On-board ROM differences (three slightly different ROMS) > 4) MUSIC written in Bally BASIC sounds screwed-up in Astro Basic > 5) Bally BASIC lacks several music commands that were added > to Astrobasic. > > 6) $ command used for advanced math (floating point) functions removed in AstroBasic From ballyalley@h... Thu Jul 25 16:41:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 23:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 7573 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 23:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 23:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 23:41:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2002 23:41:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:41:48 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bally/Astro BASIC differences Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D3F2773.7030003@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3233 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "atrionfo" X-Originating-IP: 24.164.178.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Here are some more details on the differences between the two version of BASIC that can be used on an unexpanded Astrocade. This information has been retyped from the Astrocade "Sourcebook." (see information after the article for details). Astrobasic and Bally BASIC Differences The following dissertation is presented courtesy of Bob Fabris, publisher of the ARCADIAN Newsletter (Differences ARC 4-55). Some changes have been added by me [Richard Houser]. Differences between the old and new Basic Videocades: We are somewhat at a disadvantage by being outside the company because what we know of the Basic, beside that which is written in the small manuals, is primarily discovered material. That is, no one tells us all about the secrets, or tricks, or capabilities, and one or another of us has to find these out through research or luck. We were fortunate in receiving an unofficial set of brief notes that discusses these differences, much as the Bally Basic Hacker's Guide. The old Basic has a $ command which accesses the calculator routine resident in the on-board ROM. With this command, one could perform arithmetical calculations with 6 places either side of the decimal point. Not a very popular command, it was removed to make way for some of the useful features of the new system. Programs written using the $ command are not convertible for use with the new Basic. Unfortunately, this leaves out a couple of clever programs. :RETURN will not be understood by the new system, but it can usually just be removed from a program. Its purpose was to close off the tape input port. &(16) through &(23) commands controlled the variables of the noise system (music synthesizer). These have been replaced as follows: &(16) MO &(17) TA &(18) TB &(19) TC &(20) VC &(21) VR,VF &(22) VA,VB &(23) NM,NV If the old Basic program contains the &( ) notation, set the NT=-1 and the new Basic will disregard them. The music processor can be disabled by using the single character "down arrow" but only if the NT<0. SM series (scroll mode) are commands only in Astrocade Basic, having to do with where/how screen printing appears. The old Basic has the equivalent of SM=0. SM is used for effect, and its elimination would not ruin a program (usually). Machine code problems which is the case of FUDD (program in the ARCADIAN Newsletter 4-51 using machine code). Machine code is inserted into memory spaces (poke'd) using the %( ) command. The location of this memory space is the Line Input Buffer, which now occupies a different location in the memory map, from 20180-20283 in the old Basic, to 20154-20257 in the new Basic. By changing the memory location these programs can be made to run. *( ) is a new string system that is only available in the Astrocade Basic. A program with both string systems is not easily convertible to Bally Basic. If you know of any other differences that need to be discussed let me know. END OF ARTICLE >From "Sourcebook," Spring 1983 - Section G-21 RMH Enterprises, Richard Houser Version 1.0 - July 25, 2002 - Retyped by Adam Trionfo From rcolbert@c... Sat Jul 27 08:40:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 15:40:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 55475 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 15:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 15:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 15:40:10 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020727154009.RNMN8234.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:40:09 -0400 To: Subject: New version of Bally utilities Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:07:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2355D.D7C46C00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2355D.D7C46C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I've updated the Bally utilities and put them on the ftp site. The new version is 1.3 and the file name is: bally_tape_utils_v1.3.zip Additions / changes: a.. Cleaned up C++ objects (In an attempt to reuse the code for the Supercharger and allow emulator authors to easily use it) b.. Added flags for astrowav to choose mono/stereo, 8-bit/16-bit, 22050/44100khz .wav files (any combination) c.. Added ballyBasic program - versioned at 1.3 even though it is the first released version Have Fun! Bob -----Original Message----- From: atrionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:42 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] Re: Bally/Astro BASIC differences Here are some more details on the differences between the two version of BASIC that can be used on an unexpanded Astrocade. This information has been retyped from the Astrocade "Sourcebook." (see information after the article for details). Astrobasic and Bally BASIC Differences The following dissertation is presented courtesy of Bob Fabris, publisher of the ARCADIAN Newsletter (Differences ARC 4-55). Some changes have been added by me [Richard Houser]. Differences between the old and new Basic Videocades: We are somewhat at a disadvantage by being outside the company because what we know of the Basic, beside that which is written in the small manuals, is primarily discovered material. That is, no one tells us all about the secrets, or tricks, or capabilities, and one or another of us has to find these out through research or luck. We were fortunate in receiving an unofficial set of brief notes that discusses these differences, much as the Bally Basic Hacker's Guide. The old Basic has a $ command which accesses the calculator routine resident in the on-board ROM. With this command, one could perform arithmetical calculations with 6 places either side of the decimal point. Not a very popular command, it was removed to make way for some of the useful features of the new system. Programs written using the $ command are not convertible for use with the new Basic. Unfortunately, this leaves out a couple of clever programs. :RETURN will not be understood by the new system, but it can usually just be removed from a program. Its purpose was to close off the tape input port. &(16) through &(23) commands controlled the variables of the noise system (music synthesizer). These have been replaced as follows: &(16) MO &(17) TA &(18) TB &(19) TC &(20) VC &(21) VR,VF &(22) VA,VB &(23) NM,NV If the old Basic program contains the &( ) notation, set the NT=-1 and the new Basic will disregard them. The music processor can be disabled by using the single character "down arrow" but only if the NT<0. SM series (scroll mode) are commands only in Astrocade Basic, having to do with where/how screen printing appears. The old Basic has the equivalent of SM=0. SM is used for effect, and its elimination would not ruin a program (usually). Machine code problems which is the case of FUDD (program in the ARCADIAN Newsletter 4-51 using machine code). Machine code is inserted into memory spaces (poke'd) using the %( ) command. The location of this memory space is the Line Input Buffer, which now occupies a different location in the memory map, from 20180-20283 in the old Basic, to 20154-20257 in the new Basic. By changing the memory location these programs can be made to run. *( ) is a new string system that is only available in the Astrocade Basic. A program with both string systems is not easily convertible to Bally Basic. If you know of any other differences that need to be discussed let me know. END OF ARTICLE >From "Sourcebook," Spring 1983 - Section G-21 RMH Enterprises, Richard Houser Version 1.0 - July 25, 2002 - Retyped by Adam Trionfo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2355D.D7C46C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
    I've updated the Bally utilities and put them on t= he ftp=20 site.  The new version is 1.3 and the file name is:
        =    =20 bally_tape_utils_v1.3.zip
 
Additions / changes:
  • Cleaned up C++ objects (In an attempt to reuse the code for the= =20 Supercharger and allow emulator authors to easily use it)
  • Added=20 flags for astrowav to choose mono/stereo, 8-bit/16-bit, 22050/44100khz .w= av=20 files (any combination)
  • Added=20 ballyBasic program - versioned at 1.3 even though it is the first release= d=20 version
Have=20 Fun!
      &= nbsp;=20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: atrionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6= :42=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyalle= y]=20 Re: Bally/Astro BASIC differences

Here are some m= ore=20 details on the differences between the two version
of BASIC that can = be=20 used on an unexpanded Astrocade.  This
information has been rety= ped=20 from the Astrocade "Sourcebook." (see
information after the article f= or=20 details).

         &n= bsp;          =20 Astrobasic and Bally BASIC Differences

The following dissertation = is=20 presented courtesy of Bob Fabris,
publisher of the ARCADIAN Newslette= r=20 (Differences ARC 4-55).  Some
changes have been added by me [Ric= hard=20 Houser].

Differences between the old and new Basic Videocades: We = are=20 somewhat
at a disadvantage by being outside the company because what = we=20 know
of the Basic, beside that which is written in the small manuals,= is=20
primarily discovered material.  That is, no one tells us all abo= ut=20
the secrets, or tricks, or capabilities, and one or another of us has= =20
to find these out through research or luck.  We were fortunate i= n=20
receiving an unofficial set of brief notes that discusses these=20
differences, much as the Bally Basic Hacker's Guide.

The old B= asic=20 has a $ command which accesses the calculator routine
resident in the= =20 on-board ROM.  With this command, one could perform
arithmetical= =20 calculations with 6 places either side of the decimal
point.  No= t a=20 very popular command, it was removed to make way for
some of the usef= ul=20 features of the new system.  Programs written
using the $ comman= d are=20 not convertible for use with the new Basic. 
Unfortunately, this= =20 leaves out a couple of clever programs.

:RETURN will not be unders= tood=20 by the new system, but it can usually
just be removed from a=20 program.  Its purpose was to close off the
tape input=20 port.

&(16) through &(23) commands controlled the variable= s of=20 the noise
system (music synthesizer).  These have been replaced = as=20 follows:
     &(16)   =20 MO         &(17)  &= nbsp;=20 TA           =20 &(18)    TB
    =20 &(19)    TC       &= nbsp;=20 &(20)   =20 VC           =20 &(21)    VR,VF
    =20 &(22)    VA,VB     =20 &(23)    NM,NV
If the old Basic program contains th= e=20 &( ) notation, set the NT=3D-1
and the new Basic will disregard=20 them.  The music processor can be
disabled by using the single=20 character "down arrow" but only if the
NT<0.

SM series (scr= oll=20 mode) are commands only in Astrocade Basic, having
to do with where/h= ow=20 screen printing appears.  The old Basic has the
equivalent of=20 SM=3D0.  SM is used for effect, and its elimination would
not ru= in a=20 program (usually).

Machine code problems which is the case of FUDD= =20 (program in the
ARCADIAN Newsletter 4-51 using machine code). =20 Machine code is
inserted into memory spaces (poke'd) using the %( )=20 command.  The
location of this memory space is the Line Input Bu= ffer,=20 which now
occupies a different location in the memory map, from=20 20180-20283 in
the old Basic, to 20154-20257 in the new Basic.  = By=20 changing the
memory location these programs can be made to run.
*(=20 ) is a new string system that is only available in the Astrocade=20
Basic.  A program with both string systems is not easily convert= ible=20
to Bally Basic.

If you know of any other differences that need= to=20 be discussed let me
know.

END OF ARTICLE

From "Sourcebo= ok,"=20 Spring 1983 - Section G-21
RMH Enterprises, Richard Houser

Vers= ion=20 1.0 - July 25, 2002 - Retyped by Adam Trionfo



Hav= e=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2355D.D7C46C00-- From ballyalley@h... Sat Jul 27 09:41:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 16:41:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 63356 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:41:51 -0700 Received: from 24.164.176.222 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:41:51 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New version of Bally utilities Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:41:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2002 16:41:51.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[82613F20:01C2358C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [24.164.176.222] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Bob wrote: >> I've updated the Bally utilities and put them on the ftp site. >> When I move to N.M. I will look at these programs. By that time I will have access to another Astrocade to use and abuse. So, you'll get some feedback from me, but it won't be for about three to four weeks. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From komb@s... Tue Jul 30 20:23:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 03:23:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 67021 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 03:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 03:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 03:23:23 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020731032303.ZUDR3742.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3D4757AB.4010100@s...> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:21:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New version of Bally utilities References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > Hi, > I've updated the Bally utilities and put them on the ftp site. The > new version is 1.3 and the file name is: > bally_tape_utils_v1.3.zip > > Additions / changes: > > * Cleaned up C++ objects (In an attempt to reuse the code for the > Supercharger and allow emulator authors to easily use it) > * Added flags for astrowav to choose mono/stereo, 8-bit/16-bit, > 22050/44100khz .wav files (any combination) > * Added ballyBasic program - versioned at 1.3 even though it is the > first released version > > Have Fun! > Bob > I'm having problems with the latest ballybin. I've tried it with a couple .wav files and keep getting the same thing. Reached end of .wav wav ended unexpectedly, coulden't syncronise OK, it's not exact, but I'm sure you know what I mean. format i used was: ballybin -bchicken.bin chicken.wav ballybin chicken.wav etc. From rcolbert@c... Tue Jul 30 21:08:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 04:08:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 58242 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 04:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 04:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao08.cox.net) (68.1.17.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 04:08:14 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020731040814.UEON4796.lakemtao08.cox.net@b...> for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:08:14 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] New version of Bally utilities Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:08:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2381D.FB377D40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D4757AB.4010100@s...> From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2381D.FB377D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please upload the .wav file to the ftp site if you can and i'll take a look at it! Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:komb@s...] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:21 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New version of Bally utilities Bob Colbert wrote: > Hi, > I've updated the Bally utilities and put them on the ftp site. The > new version is 1.3 and the file name is: > bally_tape_utils_v1.3.zip > > Additions / changes: > > * Cleaned up C++ objects (In an attempt to reuse the code for the > Supercharger and allow emulator authors to easily use it) > * Added flags for astrowav to choose mono/stereo, 8-bit/16-bit, > 22050/44100khz .wav files (any combination) > * Added ballyBasic program - versioned at 1.3 even though it is the > first released version > > Have Fun! > Bob > I'm having problems with the latest ballybin. I've tried it with a couple .wav files and keep getting the same thing. Reached end of .wav wav ended unexpectedly, coulden't syncronise OK, it's not exact, but I'm sure you know what I mean. format i used was: ballybin -bchicken.bin chicken.wav ballybin chicken.wav etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2381D.FB377D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please=20 upload the .wav file to the ftp site if you can and i'll take a look at=20 it!
 
        =        =20 Thanks,
        =             &nb= sp;  =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance F. Squire=20 [mailto:komb@s...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:21=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:=20 [ballyalley] New version of Bally utilities

Bob=20 Colbert wrote:
> Hi,
>     I've updated t= he=20 Bally utilities and put them on the ftp site.  The
> new vers= ion=20 is 1.3 and the file name=20 is:
>          &n= bsp; =20 bally_tape_utils_v1.3.zip

> Additions / changes:
= >=20
>     * Cleaned up C++ objects (In an attempt = to=20 reuse the code for the
>      =20 Supercharger and allow emulator authors to easily use=20 it)
>     * Added flags for astrowav to choose= =20 mono/stereo, 8-bit/16-bit,
>      =20 22050/44100khz .wav files (any combination)
>   &nbs= p; *=20 Added ballyBasic program - versioned at 1.3 even though it is the
>= =20 first released version
>
> Have=20 Fun!
>         Bob
>= =20


I'm having problems with the latest ballybin. I've tried it w= ith a=20
couple .wav files and keep getting the same thing.

Reached end= of=20 .wav
wav ended unexpectedly, coulden't syncronise

OK, it's not= =20 exact, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

format i used=20 was:

ballybin -bchicken.bin chicken.wav

ballybin=20 chicken.wav

etc.



Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2381D.FB377D40-- From komb@s... Wed Jul 31 14:52:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 21:52:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 672 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 21:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 21:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.187) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 21:52:10 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020731215223.PTXX2648.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:52:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3D485B89.5040505@s...> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:50:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New version of Bally utilities References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > Please upload the .wav file to the ftp site if you can and i'll take a > look at it! > > Thanks, > Bob > Look for 3 new .wav files on your ftp server. :) Note: There is an error in GhostFleet. The original uses the port array to do sound. they included an NT=0 in the first line. That should have been an NT=-1 to disable the astrobasic music functions. I will correct this before archiving. From rcolbert@c... Thu Aug 01 18:39:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 01:39:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 57862 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 01:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 01:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao05.cox.net) (68.1.17.116) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 01:39:14 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020802013914.VYD3893.lakemtao05.cox.net@b...> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:39:14 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] New version of Bally utilities Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:07:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2399F.69C078C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2399F.69C078C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Version 1.3a of the bally utilities are now on the ftp site. I found the problem with v1.3, the debug version worked, but when I compiled the release version it didn't! There was a variable I didn't set to zero, the debug version was a bit kinder. I was able to convert all three .wav files Lance uploaded! Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2399F.69C078C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Version 1.3a of the bally utilities are now on the ftp site. = I=20 found the problem with v1.3, the debug version worked, but when I compiled = the=20 release version it didn't!  There was a variable I didn't set to zero,= the=20 debug version was a bit kinder.  I was able to convert all three .wav = files=20 Lance uploaded!
 
        =    =20 Bob
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2399F.69C078C0-- From funkyb79@a... Thu Aug 01 23:31:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: FunkyB79@a... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 06:31:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 93093 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 06:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 06:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 06:31:10 -0000 Received: from FunkyB79@a... by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.12d.15172c86 (17232) for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12d.15172c86.2a7b8125@a...> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:31:01 EDT Subject: Help my Bally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLease!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.15172c86.2a7b8125_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: funkyb79@a... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108400606 X-Yahoo-Profile: funkyb79 --part1_12d.15172c86.2a7b8125_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently inherited a Bally professional arcade. It doesn't seem to be working. Nothing appears on the screen when I turn it on. The power supply gets REALLY DAMN HOT though, could this be the problem? if so, where can I source a new one? I know these things had problems overheating so, I hope the console itself isn't fried. can anyone help me out? -brandon --part1_12d.15172c86.2a7b8125_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently inherited a Bally professional arcade. It doesn't seem to be working. Nothing appears on the screen when I turn it on. The power supply gets REALLY DAMN HOT though, could this be the problem? if so, where can I source a new one? I know these things had problems overheating so, I hope the console itself isn't fried. can anyone help me out?
                                                       -brandon                         
--part1_12d.15172c86.2a7b8125_boundary-- From lasrtt@g... Fri Aug 02 09:54:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 16:54:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 54787 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 16:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 16:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 16:54:25 -0000 Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H086YN01.WT7 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:54:23 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.119.89]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H086YM02.2HU for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:54:22 -0800 Message-ID: <002201c23a44$2fb25a40$4d88fea9@t...> To: References: <12d.15172c86.2a7b8125@a...> Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Help my Bally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLease!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:46:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C23A01.209C7CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C23A01.209C7CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: Boy I wish I could, I have 10 of them that do about the same thing, I h= ave 3 that work (so far). Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: funkyb79@a...=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: [ballyalley] Help my Bally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLease!!!!!!!!!!!!!= ! I recently inherited a Bally professional arcade. It doesn't seem to be w= orking. Nothing appears on the screen when I turn it on. The power supply g= ets REALLY DAMN HOT though, could this be the problem? if so, where can I s= ource a new one? I know these things had problems overheating so, I hope th= e console itself isn't fried. can anyone help me out?=20 -brandon = =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C23A01.209C7CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Rick.....
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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C23A01.209C7CE0-- From komb@s... Fri Aug 02 21:53:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Aug 2002 04:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 39204 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2002 04:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2002 04:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.40) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2002 04:52:59 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020803045222.LPCV19270.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:52:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3D4B6128.7010301@s...> Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 00:50:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] New version of Bally utilities References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Bob Colbert wrote: > Version 1.3a of the bally utilities are now on the ftp site. I found > the problem with v1.3, the debug version worked, but when I compiled the > release version it didn't! There was a variable I didn't set to zero, > the debug version was a bit kinder. I was able to convert all three > .wav files Lance uploaded! > > Bob > Everything works now! :) The archived progs should be up in the files area this weekend. Lance From ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 03 09:24:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17148 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2002 16:24:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Date: 3 Aug 2002 16:24:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1028391854.1040.53175.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ballyalley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley group. File : /Tape_Archive/FrogLeap.zip Uploaded by : glankonian Description : Frog Leap! One of my favorite type-ins from the Arcadian news letters. You jump your frog across the 'Old Mill Stream' using lillypads to land on and varing the length of your jump. This program is unique as it manages to play it's opening tune while drawing the playfield. Enjoy! You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/FrogLeap.zip To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, glankonian From ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 03 09:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3767 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2002 16:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2002 16:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2002 16:29:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2002 16:29:10 -0000 Date: 3 Aug 2002 16:29:10 -0000 Message-ID: <1028392150.442.74571.w3@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ballyalley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley group. File : /Tape_Archive/GhostFleet.zip Uploaded by : glankonian Description : Rather simple game. Takes some strategy(Not much) and patience to win. You are intercepting enemy fighters on route to destroy your home. Don't be too quick on the trigger as out of range fire is useless! Also don't use the bombs too close! Um.. did I mention 1/2 of them are cloaked?! You'll have to rely on your audiable radar! Good Luck! You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/GhostFleet.zip To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, glankonian From komb@s... Tue Aug 13 11:18:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Aug 2002 18:18:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 51583 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 18:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2002 18:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.149]) by tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020813181830.OJYU4312.tomts17-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:18:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3D594CED.8010606@s...> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:16:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020606 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wow.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian I just recieved a large box from Adam. Packed with tapes. Lots and LOTS of tapes! Now to catalogue what is in there,and what speed. I've got to get my hands on a 300 baud interface! Does the tape archiving software handle conversion? Ah well... Much to do.. So little time. :) I'll post back with a compleate inventory asap. (expect a week...So Many TAPES!) :) Lance F. Squire From ward.shrake@w... Tue Aug 13 19:25:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Aug 2002 02:25:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 36595 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 02:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2002 02:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 02:25:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2002 02:25:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:25:26 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4549 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan I just got back from CGE 2002, and can now report on my decision, regarding the stopping point on my run of multicarts. It is going to be 50 carts total, or less. That's no longer a guess; it's official. I made the announcement Saturday at CGE, sort of, when I auctioned off a cart at the end of that day. (After only selling one other Astrocade cart on Saturday, which for any sort of major weekend convention, is generally much busier than Sunday is.) I followed that news up on Sunday, by way of printed signs at my booth area, with no "takers" during that day, at all. People had money at the show... they just spent it on other things, with most of the concentration going to the Atari 2600 and the other "more popular" game consoles. People dropped hundreds on auction items for those consoles, but did not budge much at all, when it came time to buy either multicart. Just for random background info: Sum total, I sold two Arcadia 2001 carts during CGE 2002, and two Astrocade multicarts. That's four total orders, with two going for the full "$100 each" price, and the two auctioned carts getting only $85 each, for a combined total of $370 taken in. Subtract out $4 for auction overhead, and it is $366 total, for everything I sold at CGE. Before the show, I had ordered enough raw parts to make over 20 carts, combined. (I had three Arcadia carts already sitting around, so I am not counting those, although I probably should.) I had 12 of each type of cart, ready to be sold at the show. (Some needed minor finishing work done to them, but they were close to being ready.) The cost of the raw parts, to make one multicart, is around $20 each. I ordered enough raw parts for 20+ completed carts, before the show. That means I spent $400 or more, in raw parts alone, and I took in $366 dollars total. That adds up to a net loss of $34 dollars, so in financial terms, it simply was a waste of my money, to have made the carts I made. I had thought that demand had peaked, already, at only 30 or so Astrocade carts, and 20 or so Arcadia carts. It appears that I was correct in my pre-show analysis of the situation, after all. I took a chance, just in case, and merely confirmed my prior judgement. On top of that, it took nearly a month of my time, prepping a bunch of new carts for the show, that instead of selling, I took home with me. So, with no pun intended, that was a month of time that was wasted. It would have been spent as well or better, watching TV. I do not say any of this for sympathy, or to whine, or whatever. I am just saying that, in my opinion, any reasonable person faced with these facts would say that there is no real demand for these products at this point in time, so there is no point in making more of them in the forseeable future. I only have one life; I don't wish to waste it. I have ten of each cart type "left over" right now, which brings the list of Astrocade carts made-to-date up to around 42 or so, with about 30 or so made-to-date for the Arcadia 2001 console. Barring something unforeseen now, I figure that I will just hang onto the nearly dozen each of the finished-but-unsold carts, sell them as orders trickle in, and not consider making any more, till they are all gone. I may just cut it off there, or I may keep going. I won't know for sure, till that day comes, and for all I know, maybe that will be many years from now? Also, on a related note: I did take the Commodore VIC-20 multicart prototype to the show. I had it out on display on Sunday. The only people that asked anything about it, where one or two guys that knew I was bringing it, before the show. Nobody else seemed to care about it, at all, so that cart's a dead issue to me, as far as making more of them goes, in the future. I'll keep my one-and-only prototype to play with, in my own home, and that's as far as that project will go. Again, none of this is intended as "whining". I just need to be sure I budget my time and resources well, now and in the future, so I have to be realistic about how much work will go into something, and what I will get out of it. These carts seem to have "run their course" for the most part, so I'll be concentrating on other things from now on. By the way: none of this is a reflection on CGE 2002... the show itself was great fun! It was my first time attending it, and I do want to go back, next year. I loved the show, loved meeting many of the folks I've only talked to via a computer screen, and so on. Ward Shrake From fmillera@p... Wed Aug 14 20:18:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 03:18:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 16089 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 03:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 03:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 03:18:52 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.244.70]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0V00M1A7VE6M@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:18:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020814201740.00ab1298@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 02:25 AM 8/14/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I just got back from CGE 2002, and can now report on my decision, >regarding the stopping point on my run of multicarts. It is going to >be 50 carts total, or less. That's no longer a guess; it's official. Snip! So it would appear that any add-on or extended RAM board would result in a similar number being built. Which begs the question: is it worth the effort? Tony Miller From ward.shrake@w... Thu Aug 15 09:28:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 16:28:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 50875 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 16:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 16:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 16:28:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2002 16:28:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:27:58 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ward's online status Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 823 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.254 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan There seems to be some confusion as to my upcoming online status. At least one person thought I was going to have a new e-mail address, soon. That is not the case. I will have the same e-mail address that I have now; however, I will not have ready access to the internet, after the 23rd of August. I can receive e-mails, after that date, but may be very slow in answering them. I cannot predict in advance how long I will be, to all intents and purposes, "off the net". Sorry. My snail mail address will definitely change. The new one is: Ward Shrake P.O. Box 5182 West Covina, CA 91791 USA In other words, the same city and state, but with a P.O. Box now. Please make a note of this somewhere, if you intend to communicate with me for any reason. In one week, these changes go into effect. -- Ward Shrake -- From lasrtt@g... Thu Aug 15 10:26:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 17:26:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 55124 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 17:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 17:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 17:26:53 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H0WB4Q01.F1H for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:26:51 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.121.239]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H0WB4Q03.42M for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:26:50 -0800 Message-ID: <001e01c2447f$ad0de6e0$6555fea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Ward's online status Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:17:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2443C.9DEEE1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2443C.9DEEE1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ward: I was wondering if you have had the time to 'snail' mail me that label f= or the multicart, you know the one you forgot to number and sign. Thank you very much, have a fun and safe weekend. Rick.....=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: commie_fan=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Ward's online status There seems to be some confusion as to my upcoming online status. At=20 least one person thought I was going to have a new e-mail address,=20 soon. That is not the case. I will have the same e-mail address that=20 I have now; however, I will not have ready access to the internet,=20 after the 23rd of August. I can receive e-mails, after that date, but=20 may be very slow in answering them. I cannot predict in advance how=20 long I will be, to all intents and purposes, "off the net". Sorry. My snail mail address will definitely change. The new one is: Ward Shrake P.O. Box 5182 West Covina, CA 91791 USA In other words, the same city and state, but with a P.O. Box now. Please make a note of this somewhere, if you intend to communicate=20 with me for any reason. In one week, these changes go into effect. -- Ward Shrake -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2443C.9DEEE1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ward:
   I was wondering if you have h= ad the=20 time to 'snail' mail me that label for the multicart, you know the one you= =20 forgot to number and sign.
  Thank you very much, have a fun and= safe=20 weekend.
Rick..... 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 commie_fan
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:= 27=20 AM
Subject: [ballyalley] Ward's onlin= e=20 status

There seems to be some confusion as to my upcoming onl= ine=20 status. At
least one person thought I was going to have a new e-mail= =20 address,
soon. That is not the case. I will have the same e-mail addr= ess=20 that
I have now; however, I will not have ready access to the interne= t,=20
after the 23rd of August. I can receive e-mails, after that date, but= =20
may be very slow in answering them. I cannot predict in advance how=20
long I will be, to all intents and purposes, "off the net".=20 Sorry.

My snail mail address will definitely change. The new one=20 is:

Ward Shrake
P.O. Box 5182
West Covina, CA=20 91791
USA

In other words, the same city and state, but with a P= .O.=20 Box now.

Please make a note of this somewhere, if you intend to=20 communicate
with me for any reason. In one week, these changes go int= o=20 effect.

  -- Ward Shrake --



Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2443C.9DEEE1C0-- From ward.shrake@w... Thu Aug 15 10:29:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 17:29:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 47743 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 17:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 17:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 17:29:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2002 17:29:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:29:55 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020814201740.00ab1298@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5822 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., tony miller wrote: > At 02:25 AM 8/14/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >> I just got back from CGE 2002, >> and can now report on my decision, >> regarding the stopping point on my >> run of multicarts. It is going to >> be 50 carts total, or less. That's >> no longer a guess; it's official. > > Snip! > > So it would appear that any add-on > or extended RAM board would result > in a similar number being built. That would be my educated guess, yes. For better or for worse, I don't think there would be any huge, "order of magnitude" difference, either up or down. I imagine the numbers would be 50 or fewer sold, with a slight chance of more than that. I can't see 100 being sold, at any price. I just don't think the market is there, for more units to be sold. (This board's total membership floats around 60 people, which backs up my assessment, in terms of potential customers.) I won't even speculate, as to the market for an "Astrocade II". In the RAM board's defense, it could perhaps be sold at a lower final cost; the $100 I have been charging for my multicarts does seem like more money than most people are willing to pay, without a big fuss. To go any lower than that, makes it not worth doing at all, on my end, so I am sort of at an impasse, caused by cost-versus-workload and so on. In my case, there is a very good chance that I will not be making any more, after I have sold off the remainder of what I have in stock, right now. (Which would be well under 50 sold, total.) Despite the potential for a lower per-unit cost, to a RAM board's detriment would be the ideas that you have to (A) own a Bally / Astrocade console, (B) it has to work, (C) and you have to also own a large enough library of games that actually need the added memory, before you would have any real reason to want to own that product. Not to mention, (D) you have to actually take your console out of the garage or the closet, and hook it up, and play it, to want more RAM. At this point, that could mean owning a multicart, or it could mean owning some of Mike White's individual tape-to-cart hybrid carts, or it could mean owning a tape player and a bunch of old tapes. And none of these circumstances are all that common. Sorry; they just aren't. At some future point, post-tape-archiving, maybe that scenario could also include a CD-ROM with a bunch of tape game images on it. But since that project really just began, and could easily take years to come to its full fruition -- due to a big lack of interested parties willing to work on it themselves, instead of hoping someone else will do it -- I would say it makes no sense to second-guess that, for now. Given the interest shown so far, I'd say it confirms other guesses. > Which begs the question: is it > worth the effort? > > Tony Miller I can't answer that. I'm just trying to supply information, to help others make whatever decision they're going to make, with awareness. Other potential project-making people are going to have to weigh the potential risks and rewards of their projects, for themselves. Financially speaking, with no other considerations, perhaps my own multicart project was nothing but wasted time and effort? Almost any part time job would have paid me as much or more, so it is hard to justify this sort of project, strictly for the money. Lest anyone think me too harsh for saying that, the final numbers, as of this moment in time, can be found below. While reading those numbers, keep in mind that I've had my multicart product on the market for a full year, at this point. It was seen running during CGE 2002 at a prominent booth in a high-traffic area. It was also seen in a more intimate environment, during CGE 2001. I can hear some people saying I'm just a poor salesman, and these numbers don't count. To them, I would point out that besides "ads" on the internet, here and elsewhere, that I even had a "G4" camera crew interviewing me, during CGE 2002, about the multicarts I made. (You can't get a whole lot more free media coverage than that, folks!) ================================= 32 "Bally Astrocade" multicarts made and sold to paying customers. 2 "Bally Astrocade" multicarts made for myself; one special one made for testing purposes, and one just for me to play games with. 9 "Bally Astrocade" multicarts that are mostly finished, but remain unsold at this point in time. Total: 43 carts made, of which only 32 have been sold to others. ================================= 23 "Arcadia 2001" multicarts made and sold to paying customers. 1 "Arcadia 2001" multicart made for myself, to play games on. 9 "Arcadia 2001" multicarts that are mostly finished, but remain unsold at this point in time. Total: 33 carts made, of which only 23 have been sold to others. ================================= Are finances the only possible consideration? No. Not if you have an outside income to support you, anyway. If you're comfortable enough due to an outside income, and you don't mind the potentially huge drain on your free time, you could tackle this on a "hobby" basis. If someone wanted to do it, just to be doing it, and felt they could easily spare the time and resources, then maybe it would feel like it was "worth it" to that person, under those circumstances. But that's far too personal of a decision, for me to want to decide for them. For me, I figure I've done what I came to do. Once I sell off the last few carts, I'm going to concentrate on other hobbies, primarily. I would rather be writing fiction, for instance, or drawing artwork by hand, building scale models, or doing a number of other things. I only have one life to live, and I want more of a balance, more often. -- Ward Shrake -- From ward.shrake@w... Thu Aug 15 10:33:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Aug 2002 17:33:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 91318 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 17:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2002 17:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 17:33:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2002 17:33:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:33:19 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ward's online status Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001e01c2447f$ad0de6e0$6555fea9@t...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 599 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.67.32 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Will do, Rick. I have a bunch of other mailings to do, later today. I'll add that into the mix. Sorry I sent your cart out without numbering it on the outside. (Although, for the record, I did sign the PC board inside, as I always do.) Just got a LOT on my mind, right now! -- Ward Shrake -- --- In ballyalley@y..., "Rick & Myrna Trnka" wrote: > Hi Ward: > I was wondering if you have had > the time to 'snail' mail me that > label for the multicart, you know > the one you forgot to number and sign. > Thank you very much, have a fun > and safe weekend. > Rick..... From fmillera@p... Thu Aug 15 19:18:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 02:18:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12457 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 02:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 02:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 02:18:34 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.246.17]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0W00MFPZQW0L@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:18:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020815191656.00ab4338@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.2.2.20020814201740.00ab1298@p...> From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 05:29 PM 8/15/2002 +0000, you wrote: >--- In ballyalley@y..., tony miller wrote: > > At 02:25 AM 8/14/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > > >> I just got back from CGE 2002, > >> and can now report on my decision, > >> regarding the stopping point on my > >> run of multicarts. It is going to > >> be 50 carts total, or less. That's > >> no longer a guess; it's official. > > > > Snip! > > > > So it would appear that any add-on > > or extended RAM board would result > > in a similar number being built. > > >That would be my educated guess, yes. For better or for worse, I >don't think there would be any huge, "order of magnitude" difference, >either up or down. I imagine the numbers would be 50 or fewer sold, >with a slight chance of more than that. I can't see 100 being sold, >at any price. I just don't think the market is there, for more units >to be sold. (This board's total membership floats around 60 people, >which backs up my assessment, in terms of potential customers.) > >I won't even speculate, as to the market for an "Astrocade II". > >In the RAM board's defense, it could perhaps be sold at a lower final >cost; the $100 I have been charging for my multicarts does seem like >more money than most people are willing to pay, without a big fuss. Very low quantity PC boards could easily cost more than that, depending on size, number of layers, and quantity, if you figure in design costs amortized over whatever the production run would be. Not to mention the cost of components, assembly, and test. Cheers, Tony Miller >To go any lower than that, makes it not worth doing at all, on my >end, so I am sort of at an impasse, caused by cost-versus-workload >and so on. In my case, there is a very good chance that I will not be >making any more, after I have sold off the remainder of what I have >in stock, right now. (Which would be well under 50 sold, total.) > >Despite the potential for a lower per-unit cost, to a RAM board's >detriment would be the ideas that you have to (A) own a Bally / >Astrocade console, (B) it has to work, (C) and you have to also own a >large enough library of games that actually need the added memory, >before you would have any real reason to want to own that product. > >Not to mention, (D) you have to actually take your console out of the >garage or the closet, and hook it up, and play it, to want more RAM. > >At this point, that could mean owning a multicart, or it could mean >owning some of Mike White's individual tape-to-cart hybrid carts, or >it could mean owning a tape player and a bunch of old tapes. And none >of these circumstances are all that common. Sorry; they just aren't. > >At some future point, post-tape-archiving, maybe that scenario could >also include a CD-ROM with a bunch of tape game images on it. But >since that project really just began, and could easily take years to >come to its full fruition -- due to a big lack of interested parties >willing to work on it themselves, instead of hoping someone else will >do it -- I would say it makes no sense to second-guess that, for now. >Given the interest shown so far, I'd say it confirms other guesses. > > > > Which begs the question: is it > > worth the effort? > > > > Tony Miller > > >I can't answer that. I'm just trying to supply information, to help >others make whatever decision they're going to make, with awareness. > >Other potential project-making people are going to have to weigh the >potential risks and rewards of their projects, for themselves. > >Financially speaking, with no other considerations, perhaps my own >multicart project was nothing but wasted time and effort? Almost any >part time job would have paid me as much or more, so it is hard to >justify this sort of project, strictly for the money. > >Lest anyone think me too harsh for saying that, the final numbers, as >of this moment in time, can be found below. > >While reading those numbers, keep in mind that I've had my multicart >product on the market for a full year, at this point. It was seen >running during CGE 2002 at a prominent booth in a high-traffic area. >It was also seen in a more intimate environment, during CGE 2001. > >I can hear some people saying I'm just a poor salesman, and these >numbers don't count. To them, I would point out that besides "ads" on >the internet, here and elsewhere, that I even had a "G4" camera crew >interviewing me, during CGE 2002, about the multicarts I made. (You >can't get a whole lot more free media coverage than that, folks!) > > >================================= > >32 "Bally Astrocade" multicarts made and sold to paying customers. > >2 "Bally Astrocade" multicarts made for myself; one special one made >for testing purposes, and one just for me to play games with. > >9 "Bally Astrocade" multicarts that are mostly finished, but remain >unsold at this point in time. > >Total: 43 carts made, of which only 32 have been sold to others. > > >================================= > > >23 "Arcadia 2001" multicarts made and sold to paying customers. > >1 "Arcadia 2001" multicart made for myself, to play games on. > >9 "Arcadia 2001" multicarts that are mostly finished, but remain >unsold at this point in time. > >Total: 33 carts made, of which only 23 have been sold to others. > >================================= > > >Are finances the only possible consideration? No. Not if you have an >outside income to support you, anyway. If you're comfortable enough >due to an outside income, and you don't mind the potentially huge >drain on your free time, you could tackle this on a "hobby" basis. > >If someone wanted to do it, just to be doing it, and felt they could >easily spare the time and resources, then maybe it would feel like it >was "worth it" to that person, under those circumstances. But that's >far too personal of a decision, for me to want to decide for them. > >For me, I figure I've done what I came to do. Once I sell off the >last few carts, I'm going to concentrate on other hobbies, primarily. >I would rather be writing fiction, for instance, or drawing artwork >by hand, building scale models, or doing a number of other things. I >only have one life to live, and I want more of a balance, more often. > > -- Ward Shrake -- > > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ballyalley@h... Fri Aug 16 13:50:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Aug 2002 20:50:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 36661 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2002 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2002 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2002 20:50:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:50:58 -0700 Received: from 12.86.31.130 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:50:58 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Wow.... Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:50:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2002 20:50:58.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FA5D020:01C24566] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [12.86.31.130] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I just recieved a large box from Adam. Packed with tapes. Lots and LOTS of tapes! >> Hey, I wasn't messing around when I said I had a large Astrocade collection... >> Now to catalogue what is in there,and what speed. >> Many of the tapes are 300-baud, but there are a fair amount that are 2000 baud. If there is a 300-baud version and a 2000-baud version of a game, always go with the 2000-baud version- it'll play slightly faster (making if a better game, of course!) >> I've got to get my hands on a 300 baud interface! >> In order to get one for myself I had to buy an Astrocade on ebay last summer that included one. The Astrocade turned out to be dead, but the interface worked fine. Maybe you might have to do the same thing... I suggest that if anyone has a 300-baud interface that they lend/give it to Lance for archiving purposes. It's a good cause, ya know! >> Does the tape archiving software handle conversion? >> No, Bob has not worked on the 300-baud version of ballybin. Now that he has worked out how a 2000-baud program loads it would be GREAT to be able to convert a program from 300 to 2000-baud. Remember though, since some of the 300-baud programs can take four minutes to load they will be LARGE wav files. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ward.shrake@w... Sat Aug 17 08:42:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Aug 2002 15:42:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 11499 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2002 15:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2002 15:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 15:42:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2002 15:42:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:42:47 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Multi-cart question: should I stop at 50? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020815191656.00ab4338@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "commie_fan" X-Originating-IP: 12.80.66.185 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@y..., tony miller wrote: (snip) > Very low quantity PC boards could > easily cost more than that, > depending on size, number of > layers, and quantity, if you > figure in design costs > amortized over whatever the > production run would be. Not > to mention the cost of > components, assembly, and test. > > Cheers, > > Tony Miller Problem is, I have NOT been including many costs that any "real" business would HAVE to charge for, and it STILL comes up as a net loss, depending on how strict my assessment is. No matter how I do the math, it keeps saying "any part time job would pay me more". In round figures, I am basically charging $20 for parts, which more or less breaks me even, and then charging another $80 for labor. The EPROM alone is $8.50 shipped, in two dozen lots. Cart cases are a pain to find for the Arcadia, but aren't so bad for the Astrocade, thanks to Mike White having a stock of third party cases on hand. That's another $5 or so per finished unit, that I have to figure in. Because my boards are 100% made by hand -- photo-mask exposure, developing, etching, drilling, cutting, sanding rough edges down, and varnishing -- the labor hours to complete a cart end up taking about 10 or 12 hours per multicart. (Hard to tell exact time, since I do them in batches.) Divide that into the $80 labor figure, and you come up with a figure of $6.67 to $8.00 an hour. Hardly worth the time; it borders on being a minimum wage task. And keep in mind, that is only IF, and I do stress IF, I manage to sell each and every multicart that I make. At least a part time job pays by the hour, guaranteed. If you work an hour, you get paid for it. In this endeavor, you could spend a month working, not sell your finished units, and end up making $0 in labor, minus your parts costs. So you're literally paying to waste your time; that sucks! In the case of a RAM board, something I have not heard yet is "who is going to supply the case this thing will go into?" Any custom case is going to cost beacoup bucks, obviously. Even the labor hours spent in cutting up and otherwise prepping a generic project box, will add up. Other people can do whatever they want, but the multicart thing is over, as far as I am concerned. When I sell off the last few I have, there is very good chance I won't make any more. C'est la vie. What is really galling, to me, is that people like Marty Goldberg can go online and blast anything we "homebrew" type folks do, saying WE are the ones out of touch with reality, when we start realistically putting limits on production sizes, etc. (After CGE 2001, he did an editorial on "ClassicGaming.com" that said in part, "The people who made and distributed these cartridges must be blamed as well for a naivety and lack of understanding of the market that rivals the days of the great video game crash of '83-'84.") There is a reason, or rather a number of good reasons, that most homebrew folks only release one or two games, and then stop making products for this market. It sounds like fun, at first. The fun wears off very quickly. -- Ward Shrake -- From ballyalley@h... Fri Aug 23 12:57:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 23 Aug 2002 19:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 12556 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2002 19:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2002 19:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.169) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 19:57:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:57:47 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:57:46 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Wow.... Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:57:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2002 19:57:47.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A2546B0:01C24ADF] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo @Lance: Have you had a chance to take a closer look at the Astrocade tapes yet? @Everyone: Has anyone else tried saving files as wav files yet? Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Fri Aug 23 21:52:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 24 Aug 2002 04:52:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 57922 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2002 04:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2002 04:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2002 04:52:54 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.51]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020824045230.LOAE13254.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:52:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6667B9.7090907@s...> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:50:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Wow.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > @Lance: Have you had a chance to take a closer look at the Astrocade tapes > yet? > > @Everyone: Has anyone else tried saving files as wav files yet? > > Adam > Just Finished Inventory: 172 now in my database 5 unmarked 300 baud 1 unmarked 2000 baud 3 Possabily not Bally tapes. (Computer data yes, Bally ???) 4 Blanks 1 broken. (Splicing and case repair in progress) 186 Total Tapes. Unfortunatly, the vast majority of the 172 are not speed marked. There also are a few duplicates. Duplicates can be a good thing. Re: Archiving I'll start with the commercial tapes first. That way everyone gets to see the best stuff before getting board of waiting. Lance From cybpunks@h... Sat Aug 24 17:46:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 00:46:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 51185 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 00:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 00:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 00:46:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2002 00:46:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:45:59 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Astrocade on FPGA Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 479 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "cybpunks" X-Originating-IP: 24.205.31.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: cybpunks Has everyone heard that someone has successfully duplicated the TIA and RIOT in FPGA?? Yes, it's true! http://www.mindspring.com/~2600onachip/ Makes me wonder how much harder or easier it would be to finally do it with the Astrocade. The TIA was duplicated via Curt Vendel's schematic that he was offering, something that I guess isn't available for the Astrocade. The TIA might not have been possible to duplicate properly without the benefit of these schematics. From komb@s... Sat Aug 24 22:45:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 05:45:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 52802 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 05:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 05:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 05:45:55 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.51]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020825054604.TICJ14780.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:46:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3D67C5A8.6020700@s...> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:43:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tape List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian This is a list of the commercial games to be archived. creator | side1 | side2 ----------------------------------------------------------- Anderson/Research Design | Checkbook | Video Rally Anderson/Research Design | Graphics Demo | Graphics Demo Edge Software | Bowl | Match Esoterica | Star Trek | Mini Golf Esoterica Limited | Super Slope | Esoterica Limited | Road Toad | Esoterica Limited | Bomb Squad | Wildcatter Esoterica Limited | Big City Slick| Great Amercian Jigsaw Esoterica Limited | Ten Pins | Garbersville Esoterica Limited | Starship Comm.| Mini-Golf Esoterica Limited | Treasure Islnd| Fox & Hounds L&M | Exitors Rvnge | The Mummys Treasure L&M | Mission Impos.|3-D Tic Tac Toe L&M | The Candy Man | River City Gambler L&M | Alien Invasion| Claim Jumper L&M | Secret Of Pelluciton| " II L&M | Space Quest | Galactic War New Image/D. Gladden | Colour TV Test| Dice Experiment New Image/D. Gladden | Quickdraw Rdle| Skunk Nuclear Math New Image/D. Gladden | Saucer Attack | Missile Defense/Rnd art II New Image/D. Gladden | Guess Five | Chuck-a-Luck/Cokes The Bit Fiddlers | Chicken 2000 | Chicken 300 Baud The Bit Fiddlers | Chicken Tiny Arcade | Gamma Wars | Fireworks Wave Makers | Music Composer| Yahtzee/Mazemaker II | /Memory Doodle| Wave Makers | L.T. 4playr | Little Terrestrail: Turn Wave Makers | Pack Rat | Pack Rat 2 Wave Makers | The Bull! | Look Out For The Bull! II Wave Makers | Pack Rat | Pack Rat 2 Wave Makers | Dungeons Of Dr| Dungeons Of Dracula Wave Makers | Castle Of Horr| Four Famous Freebees Wave Makers | Castle Of Horr| Four Famous Freebees Wave Makers/M. Peace | Collision Cour| Collision Course: Turn Wave Makers/M. Peace | The Gate Escap| The Gate Escape: Turn Based Not shown are the Arcadian volume compilations and some Gorge Moses tapes. Most of the rest are submission tapes to the Arcadian news letter, which would be duplicated on the compilation tapes. So, After the commercial tapes. I'll do the Arcadian compilations, then anything left over that looks good. Please note! Many of the tapes are 300 baud. Those will have to wait till I aquire a 300 baud kit. Although some might work with the 300-2000 conversion program... Lance From ballyalley@h... Sun Aug 25 14:57:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 21:57:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 56724 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 21:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 21:57:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:57:45 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:57:45 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Tape List Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:57:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 21:57:45.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[71764130:01C24C82] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Lance wrote: >> This is a list of the commercial games to be archived [list omitted] Not shown are the Arcadian volume compilations and some Gorge Moses tapes. Most of the rest are submission tapes to the Arcadian news letter, which would be duplicated on the compilation tapes. >> I do have access to an Astrocade again, so I am able to test anything that you archive. Should we add a section to the Bally Alley website for these archived tapes, or do you plan to add them to your html FAQ? Will they be posted in zipped wav form, or as binary files that the user needs to convert to wav files themselves? >> So, After the commercial tapes. I'll do the Arcadian compilations, then anything left over that looks good. >> Right, that sounds good. There is a lot to go through- and even if all those tapes are archived that isn't nearly everything: there's loads of tapes that no one seems to have. Mike White has some that we are missing, Mike Peace (of Wavemakers) says that he still has a complete collection of second-generation tapes (we need to contact him again if we want info on this). I know that others on this group have some tapes (notably Russ Perry Jr.). Could each of you make a list of all the tapes that you own or have access to (even if it's just a couple?). Working together, we can probably close the gap on what isn't available. Also, when the need arises we can retype any of the programs from the newsletters and make "final" versions of them. >> Please note! Many of the tapes are 300 baud. Those will have to wait till I aquire a 300 baud kit. Although some might work with the 300-2000 conversion program... >> I'll keep an eye out for a 300-baud interface (I actually have been doing this already). If one becomes available then I'll send it along to Lance so that he can have it available for archiving purposes. So, how about listing those tapes you have buried in the closet. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Aug 25 15:00:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 22:00:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 90340 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 22:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 22:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.193) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 22:00:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:00:41 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:00:38 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Astrocade on FPGA Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:00:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 22:00:41.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA6E5B00:01C24C82] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Has everyone heard that someone has successfully duplicated the TIA and RIOT in FPGA?? Yes, it's true! http://www.mindspring.com/~2600onachip/ >> Yes, I saw that link on Atariage. I wasn't surprised that someone did this: it is the ATARI VCS afterall... a machine that is just a wee-bit more popular than the Astrocade. It will be interesting to see what projects are born from this. >> Makes me wonder how much harder or easier it would be to finally do it with the Astrocade. The TIA was duplicated via Curt Vendel's schematic that he was offering, something that I guess isn't available for the Astrocade. The TIA might not have been possible to duplicate properly without the benefit of these schematics. >> I am not aware of anyone with any hardware schematics about the custom chips. I'm not overlooking anyone, am I? Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Sun Aug 25 21:53:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 26 Aug 2002 04:53:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13551 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 04:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2002 04:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.184) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 04:53:16 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.21]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020826045311.WMHJ16788.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:53:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3D690AD1.8000905@s...> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:50:25 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Tape List / FPGA References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > I do have access to an Astrocade again, so I am able to test anything that > you archive. Should we add a section to the Bally Alley website for these > archived tapes, or do you plan to add them to your html FAQ? Will they be > posted in zipped wav form, or as binary files that the user needs to convert > to wav files themselves? > > Right, Good question. I was planning to make them available as .wav or ziped .wav files, as this would take the least knowhow to get working. Although the binaries would be smaller. I also planned to place the files both on the BallyAlley Yahoo group files section and a new section of the html FAQ. If you'd like to also add then to the BallyAlley website, That'd be great! Re: Gate arrays Would love to see a Bally set, if only to maintain a backup of my systems. Doing much organizing and cleanup here, as my Dad is moving & I had to move ALL of my videogame collection (Museum ;) ) to my house. Many boxes to sort through and store. No further tape progress this weekend. Stay tuned.. :) Lance From ballyalley@h... Mon Aug 26 07:34:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 26 Aug 2002 14:34:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 44168 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 14:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2002 14:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 14:34:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:34:32 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:34:32 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Tape List / FPGA Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:34:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 14:34:32.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1363AB0:01C24D0D] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I was planning to make them available as .wav or ziped .wav files, as this would take the least knowhow to get working. Although the binaries would be smaller. >> That's what I would do too-- archive the programs as zipped wav files; they can always be converted to binary files from there if the user wants to do that. I'll gladly setup a place on the Bally Alley website for the archive. >> Re: Gate arrays Would love to see a Bally set, if only to maintain a backup of my systems. >> Well, there's no doubt that SOME alternative needs to be found to repair or even replace dying and dead Astrocades... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From jwkrych@n... Mon Aug 26 12:49:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 26 Aug 2002 19:49:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 72477 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 19:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2002 19:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 19:49:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2002 19:49:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:49:00 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: FPGA Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 608 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.71.101.197 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Hi! I have been talking to Matt about progress with the FPGA work. Unfortunately, work has been filled with excitement, so he has been rather busy. We are very lucky in regards to the custom chips. The reason being is that the very patents for the chips also include the actual logic chips inside the custom chips. What I mean, the patent includes the entire schematics to the insides of the custom chips. This information is very much avaliable, and if anyone else out there knows of an FPGA designer, bring them along. Unfortunately, work does tend to get in the way, especially for Matt. Jim From komb@s... Mon Aug 26 14:50:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 26 Aug 2002 21:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 78082 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2002 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 21:50:38 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.21]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020826214950.VEHN20685.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:49:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3D69F943.2050106@s...> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:47:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] FPGA References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian centurion030 wrote: > Hi! > > I have been talking to Matt about progress with the FPGA work. > Unfortunately, work has been filled with excitement, so he has been > rather busy. > > We are very lucky in regards to the custom chips. The reason being is > that the very patents for the chips also include the actual logic > chips inside the custom chips. What I mean, the patent includes the > entire schematics to the insides of the custom chips. > > This information is very much avaliable, Whoo Hoo! That is good news! From komb@s... Mon Aug 26 14:59:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 26 Aug 2002 21:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 20742 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 21:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2002 21:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 21:59:15 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.21]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020826215825.EVCH23325.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3D69FB48.3050807@s...> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:56:24 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] FPGA References: <3D69F943.2050106@s...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian I See I need to fix my clock... :( From fmillera@p... Mon Aug 26 19:29:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 02:29:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 79168 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 02:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 02:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 02:29:43 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.246.6]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H1H00C7ODLHYS@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:29:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] FPGA In-reply-to: X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20020826192556.00ac13b0@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 07:49 PM 8/26/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi! > >I have been talking to Matt about progress with the FPGA work. >Unfortunately, work has been filled with excitement, so he has been >rather busy. > >We are very lucky in regards to the custom chips. The reason being is >that the very patents for the chips also include the actual logic >chips inside the custom chips. What I mean, the patent includes the >entire schematics to the insides of the custom chips. > >This information is very much avaliable, and if anyone else out there >knows of an FPGA designer, bring them along. Unfortunately, work does >tend to get in the way, especially for Matt. > >Jim There are schematics embedded in the patents, but they can be very difficult to follow and are not necessarily 100% correct. For example, the values used in the resistor D/A converters are not listed, and I know that they are not all the same. Reasonably correct code could be written from a very good understanding of how the system works. But if code is to be written, it should address items like R,G,B outputs instead of R-Y, B-Y, Y, commercial resolution, etc. Cheers, Tony Miller > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From komb@s... Tue Aug 27 14:52:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 21:52:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 33552 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 21:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 21:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 21:52:15 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.21]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020827215233.RXES20333.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6BBD87.9040307@s...> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:57:27 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] FPGA References: <4.2.2.20020826192556.00ac13b0@p...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian tony miller wrote: > At 07:49 PM 8/26/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi! >> >>I have been talking to Matt about progress with the FPGA work. >>Unfortunately, work has been filled with excitement, so he has been >>rather busy. >> A thought just crossed my mind...(Stop snickering...) If it hasen't been said before, Owners of Gorf and Wizard of Wor machines would also be interested in this project. They are the same chips. Lance From ballyalley@h... Tue Aug 27 15:31:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 22:31:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 9902 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 22:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 22:31:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 22:31:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:31:27 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:31:26 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] FPGA Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:31:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2002 22:31:27.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B818570:01C24E19] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Lance wrote: >> If it hasen't been said before, Owners of Gorf and Wizard of Wor machines would also be interested in this project. They are the same chips. >> Do the arcade game machines have similar failure rates? Since there is more room inside the cases for air to circulate I thought that they might not have an overheating problem. Having never seen the inside of one of the arcade cabinets, I wonder, did Bally add any safeguards to help reduce the risk of the custom chips overheating (by adding heatsinks, maybe)? Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Tue Aug 27 16:28:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 27 Aug 2002 23:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 44844 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 23:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2002 23:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.189) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 23:28:34 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.21]) by tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020827232714.OSGG8287.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6BD41A.2030408@s...> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:33:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] FPGA References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Lance wrote: > > If it hasen't been said before, Owners of Gorf and Wizard of Wor > machines would also be interested in this project. They are the same chips. > > > Do the arcade game machines have similar failure rates? Since there is more > room inside the cases for air to circulate I thought that they might not > have an overheating problem. Having never seen the inside of one of the > arcade cabinets, I wonder, did Bally add any safeguards to help reduce the > risk of the custom chips overheating (by adding heatsinks, maybe)? > > Adam > > I'm sure they have less overheating problems, as the cases are so spacious. But I have heard of them canablizing astrocades as the chips are nonexistant. Lance. From ballyalley@h... Wed Aug 28 16:37:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 28 Aug 2002 23:37:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 18769 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 23:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2002 23:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 23:37:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:37:06 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:37:06 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: Bally/Astro BASIC differences Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:37:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2002 23:37:06.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[D210E980:01C24EEB] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Quoted from message 976, "Re: Bally/Astro BASIC differences:" >> We were fortunate in receiving an unofficial set of brief notes that discusses these differences, much as the Bally Basic Hacker's Guide. >> I have found and retyped this twenty-one (!) page set of "brief" notes that are referred to in the above quote. I need to proofread what I've retyped, and also make it a little more readable in a plain text format. The document begins: >> MICROCOMPUTER ANIMATED GRAPHICS INTERFACE CONSULTANTS To: BALLY BASIC Users From: Jay Fenton Subject: New and Improved BALLY BASIC This document describes the new features available in the New and Improved version of BALLY BASIC, to be released this spring. As it was necessary to remove some features to make room for the improvements a list of deletions is provided. Generally, these deletions involve facilities that were not documented in the instruction manual provided with the original cassette. I believe you will be excited and amazed by these improvements. >> I'll post the rest of the document as soon as I give it a good going over (probably by the beginning of next week). I'd say this document is the final word on the differences between the two versions of BASIC available for unexpanded BASIC on an unexpanded Astrocade. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Wed Aug 28 17:25:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 00:25:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 32787 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 00:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 00:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 00:25:44 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.21]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020829002512.PGXI7165.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:25:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6D6B41.8000403@s...> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:30:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Bally/Astro BASIC differences References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian I'll be looking forward to it! Lance From palazzol@c... Wed Aug 28 18:25:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: palazzol@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 01:25:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 28011 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 01:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 01:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.comcast.net) (24.153.64.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 01:25:25 -0000 Received: from pagels (pcp01182125pcs.strl1201.mi.comcast.net [68.60.202.189]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H1K006EJZYB94@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:21:56 -0400 Subject: MESS astrocade work In-reply-to: To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <3D6D3EF4.8534.4AC46CF0@l...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal From: Frank Palazzolo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99293129 X-Yahoo-Profile: knarfian Hello All, I hope to get a little time to work on the MESS astrocade driver again, within the next 2 months or so. Off the top of my head, my goals would be: 1) Fix known sound bug in noise generator. 2) Add border 3) Tape support (2000 and 300 baud wav files, plus maybe other formats) 4) Any other requests..? A couple notes: Regarding 2 - Can anyone give me a rough idea how much of the border is visible or point me to some accurate TV screengrabs? My astrocade died recently too... :( Regarding 3 - I haven't really been following the tape archiving effort very closely. What formats should the emulator accept besides raw .WAV files? Thanks, Frank P.S. - I'm also considering adding a mechanism for loading/saving BASIC files from/to text files on a local machine. This would be a feature that would be "addable" to all drivers in MESS that supported a BASIC. From komb@s... Wed Aug 28 20:15:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 03:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 81505 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 03:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 03:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 03:15:52 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.248.21]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020829031502.QZUV26509.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6D9321.8090607@s...> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:21:05 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] MESS astrocade work References: <3D6D3EF4.8534.4AC46CF0@l...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Frank Palazzolo wrote: > Hello All, > > I hope to get a little time to work on the MESS astrocade driver > again, within the next 2 months or so. Off the top of my head, my > goals would be: > > 1) Fix known sound bug in noise generator. Please elaborate... > 2) Add border YAY!!! > 3) Tape support (2000 and 300 baud wav files, plus maybe other > formats) > 4) Any other requests..? > Zgrass expansion emulation!? ;) (Just kidding) > A couple notes: > > Regarding 2 - Can anyone give me a rough idea how much of the > border is visible or point me to some accurate TV screengrabs? Most of the pictures on my cart list are screen shots. (Some better that others.) I currently have my video capture card reinstated on my new computer and can easly give you screen shots as needed. Or do you mean picture of a tv screen running the games? As it's true that the purple(?) line on the right of my Bally Menu screen grabs are not normally seen on a tv....or are they? Anyone? > My astrocade died recently too... :( I am sorry to hear this.... (Are you guys playing with your arcades more than I do!?!?! ;) ) > > Regarding 3 - I haven't really been following the tape archiving effort > very closely. What formats should the emulator accept besides raw > .WAV files? > The ballywav.exe binary format? > Thanks, > Frank > > P.S. - I'm also considering adding a mechanism for loading/saving > BASIC files from/to text files on a local machine. This would be a > feature that would be "addable" to all drivers in MESS that > supported a BASIC. > Now That would be kool! But possably dubious on Atari 2600 basic *_0. Never got to see Intelevision Basic. :(. Coleco/Adam users my rejoice though! Lance From rcolbert@c... Wed Aug 28 20:39:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 03:39:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 89132 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 03:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 03:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao07.cox.net) (68.1.17.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 03:39:06 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020829033904.JJMR1347.lakemtao07.cox.net@b...> for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:39:04 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] MESS astrocade work Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24EE3.BA6FD870" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D6D3EF4.8534.4AC46CF0@l...> Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24EE3.BA6FD870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For #3 you should be able to use the C++ classes I created to read .wav files, and .bin files. I created a tape format that uses a hybrid XML format. I actually downloaded MESS to look at the Astrocade driver, but never got very far. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Frank Palazzolo [mailto:palazzol@c...] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:22 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] MESS astrocade work Hello All, I hope to get a little time to work on the MESS astrocade driver again, within the next 2 months or so. Off the top of my head, my goals would be: 1) Fix known sound bug in noise generator. 2) Add border 3) Tape support (2000 and 300 baud wav files, plus maybe other formats) 4) Any other requests..? A couple notes: Regarding 2 - Can anyone give me a rough idea how much of the border is visible or point me to some accurate TV screengrabs? My astrocade died recently too... :( Regarding 3 - I haven't really been following the tape archiving effort very closely. What formats should the emulator accept besides raw .WAV files? Thanks, Frank P.S. - I'm also considering adding a mechanism for loading/saving BASIC files from/to text files on a local machine. This would be a feature that would be "addable" to all drivers in MESS that supported a BASIC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24EE3.BA6FD870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For #3=20 you should be able to use the C++ classes I created to read .wav files, and= .bin=20 files.  I created a tape format that uses a hybrid XML format.  I= =20 actually downloaded MESS to look at the Astrocade driver, but never got ver= y=20 far.
 
        =        =20 Bob
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Hello All,

I hope = to=20 get a little time to work on the MESS astrocade driver
again, within = the=20 next 2 months or so.  Off the top of my head, my
goals would=20 be:

1) Fix known sound bug in noise generator.
2) Add border3)=20 Tape support (2000 and 300 baud wav files, plus maybe other
formats)<= BR>4)=20 Any other requests..?

A couple notes:

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My astrocade died recently too...=20 :(

Regarding 3 - I haven't really been following the tape archivin= g=20 effort
very closely. What formats should the emulator accept besides = raw=20
.WAV files?

Thanks,
Frank

P.S. - I'm also considerin= g=20 adding a mechanism for loading/saving
BASIC files from/to text files = on a=20 local machine.  This would be a
feature that would be "addable" = to=20 all drivers in MESS that
supported a BASIC.




<= BR>Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C24EE3.BA6FD870-- From palazzol@c... Wed Aug 28 20:42:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: palazzol@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 96730 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.comcast.net) (24.153.64.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0000 Received: from pagels (pcp01182125pcs.strl1201.mi.comcast.net [68.60.202.189]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H1L0066P6AGES@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:38:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] MESS astrocade work In-reply-to: <3D6D9321.8090607@s...> To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <3D6D5F02.25714.4B41A8CC@l...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal From: Frank Palazzolo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99293129 X-Yahoo-Profile: knarfian > > 1) Fix known sound bug in noise generator. > > Please elaborate... You know, I can't remember where it happens with the MESS driver, but the same code is used in MAME. In the Gorf coin-op, when your ship explodes it sounds very wrong. I remember I knew what the problem was at one time by looking at the patent, but didn't get to fix it. I guess if someone knows an Astrocade cart which gives high- pitched static instead of a proper explosion-type sound...thats it. (Please let me know) I'll probably fix it per Gorf because I know what that sounds like. > Most of the pictures on my cart list are screen shots. (Some better > that others.) I currently have my video capture card reinstated on my > new computer and can easly give you screen shots as needed. > > Or do you mean picture of a tv screen running the games? As it's true > that the purple(?) line on the right of my Bally Menu screen grabs are > not normally seen on a tv....or are they? Anyone? I don't remember that purple line, so I guess a pic of a TV screen would be best. It's just to approximate the proportion of the screen (horizontal and vertical) that encompasses the border area - so it doesn't need to be incredibly precise. Thanks, Frank From ballyalley@h... Thu Aug 29 07:58:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 29 Aug 2002 14:58:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11573 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 14:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2002 14:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.222) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 14:58:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:58:01 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:58:00 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] MESS astrocade work Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 07:58:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2002 14:58:01.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[7842A110:01C24F6C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> 4) Any other requests..? >> Keypad emulation change as mentioned in: Astrocade_MESS_keyboard-1.2.txt V. Keyboard Mapping ideas for Next MESS upgrade After using [MAME's current keypad emulation method], I have a better idea that will put all of the Astrocade keypad in a logical order on a sideways PC keyboard. If the the keys are mapped like this: Z A Q 1 X S W 2 C D E 3 V F R 4 B G T 5 N H Y 6 When you look at this setup sideways, it is the exact same layout as the Astrocade's 4x6 keypad. One might even go so far as buying a keyboard-switchbox that has the keypad identification keys pasted on each key of a second keyboard. If this order doesn't interfere with MESS keys, then it is a good choice for keyboard mapping in the next version of MESS. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Tue Sep 03 14:17:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 21:17:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 88648 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 21:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 21:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.109) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 21:17:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:17:17 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:17:17 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: DP Guide - Astrocade Section Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:17:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2002 21:17:17.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[480D5FE0:01C2538F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I just got the DP Guide (7'th edition) today in the mail. The section for this edition was updated by Mike White and I. It is the MOST complete information on the Astrocade that you will find in any book (and is far more current than the text version of the Astrocade FAQ). The DP Guide collects information that has come to light because of the Astrocade discussion group. The Guide covers most of the classic consoles (much more than just the Astrocade)-- the Astrocade section covers pages 36-45 of 512 pages! The book can be purchased at: http://digitalpress.5u.com/dpg_plug.htm Get your hands on a copy of this book- it's excellent. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Sep 07 08:56:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 7 Sep 2002 15:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 86101 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 15:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2002 15:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 15:56:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:56:42 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 15:56:42 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: What should I type-in from the newsletters? Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 08:56:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2002 15:56:42.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[2908C710:01C25687] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Hey folks, I will have access to a working Astrocade starting today (I think) and I thought I'd type a game (or any program, really) in from one of the newsletters. Take a look through the various issues of the ARCADIAN, Cursor, etc, on www.ballyalley.com and see what you all think would be worthy of immediate archival. Programs from volumes 4-7 of the ARCADIAN work best with the 2000 baud version of BASIC. Anyone have any specific choices? Whatever I type-in, of course, I will post to the discussion board for everyone to share. It might take a little while, but I'll get something typed up. Without suggestions, I'll find something that I like, and my taste usually runs along the arcane, weird stuff... Also, I am still working on editing the BASIC version variations that I mentioned last week. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From komb@s... Wed Sep 11 17:57:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 00:57:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 64273 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 00:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 00:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.188) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 00:57:17 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.221]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020912005713.HQYJ5458.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:57:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3D7FE7B9.7000701@s...> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:02:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Archives: Two new tapes! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian I've just uploaded 2 new tapes to the file area. My own pages will have to wait. I've got two others in the works. The two tapes: Collision*Course Simular to the arcade game. All BASIC, so it dosen't try to draw cars, but still fun to play, and changeling. The GATE Escape Good concept. Small ML to keep. Very changeling to compleate a board. Please report back if you like, and enjoy. Lance From ballyalley@h... Wed Sep 11 19:45:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 02:45:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 59571 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 02:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 02:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 02:45:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:45:11 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:45:11 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Archives: Two new tapes! Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:45:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2002 02:45:11.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A4ADD30:01C25A06] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Please report back if you like, and enjoy. >> I'll try these both out this weekend. I have played them both already (of course), but I will make sure that the versions that you uploaded work okay on my friend's WORKING Astrocade. Since no one has come with any program suggestions that they want me to type in, I'm going to just pick something that looks intestesting (probably from the Arcadian). Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Sep 14 16:48:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 14 Sep 2002 23:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 41108 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 23:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2002 23:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 23:48:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:48:49 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:48:49 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: Bally/Astro BASIC differences Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:48:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2002 23:48:49.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[45CDD300:01C25C49] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I finished proofreading the document that describes the improvements and differences between the original version of Bally BASIC and AstroBasic (the version with the build-in 2000 BAUD interface). The file is called "new_bally_basic.txt" and can be downloaded from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/BASIC%20-%20Documents%20Files/ This document will be useful when converting files from one language to another- especially when reading machine language material in the Arcadian (which primarily is directed toward the older version of BASIC). It also finally answers that question: "what's different between the two BASIC carts?" Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Thu Sep 19 11:43:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 18:43:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 97647 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 18:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 18:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 18:43:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:43:46 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:43:44 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:43:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2002 18:43:46.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C8FAD20:01C2600C] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I was just looking over the Bally Alley website. Many of the newsletters have only been downloaded TWICE (i.e. two people in the WHOLE world have taken the trouble to download the files)- that's rather pathetic. There is SO much Astrocade information in those newsletters that you wouldn't be able to finish reading them for months. I was looking around at other parts of the site and some documentation has NEVER been downloaded. For instance, no one has ever taken the time to download source code for Scibbling. How is anyone going to learn to program for the Astrocade if they don't have some example source-code to look at? Hmm... it makes me wonder. Any comments? Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Thu Sep 19 15:35:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 22:35:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1489 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 22:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 22:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 22:35:17 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.250.104]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020919223516.GDWI28662.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3D8A5279.4040505@s...> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:40:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > I was just looking over the Bally Alley website. Many of the newsletters > have only been downloaded TWICE > Hmm... it makes me wonder. Any comments? > > Adam > I gave up on the fileplanet excercise early on....But you knew that. Lance From komb@s... Thu Sep 19 15:54:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 22:54:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 50754 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 22:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 22:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 22:54:40 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.250.104]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020919225439.HVCD10370.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3D8A5704.30902@s...> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:00:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley References: <3D8A5279.4040505@s...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian I should make a programming section(Should!?! What am I saying!) on my faq pages and point them to the source. Umm... They need to be a Yahoo group member to get them there, don't they... With all the things I have to do currently, I would need some assistance if that was to happen in any semblelnce of speed. Lance From ballyalley@h... Thu Sep 19 17:46:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 00:46:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 25750 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 00:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 00:46:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.160) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 00:46:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:46:25 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:46:25 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:46:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2002 00:46:25.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[25DD6E30:01C2603F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I gave up on the fileplanet excercise early on....But you knew that. >> Yes, I knew that. Everyone seems to get discouraged- but I don't have a problem with it here in New Mexico, nor did I have any problems in New York (the public servers are in California). What exactly is everyone afraid of? Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From ballyalley@h... Thu Sep 19 17:47:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 26733 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 00:47:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:47:10 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:47:10 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:47:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2002 00:47:10.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[40986310:01C2603F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> I should make a programming section(Should!?! What am I saying!) on my faq pages and point them to the source. With all the things I have to do currently, I would need some assistance if that was to happen in any semblelnce of speed. >> Let me know, in private email, what you need a hand with. I'll help you in anyway that I can. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From komb@s... Thu Sep 19 19:15:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 02:15:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 52416 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 02:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 02:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 02:15:48 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.250.104]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020920021547.NTKW10370.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:15:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3D8A8628.8030208@s...> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:21:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > I gave up on the fileplanet excercise early on....But you knew that. > > > Yes, I knew that. Everyone seems to get discouraged- but I don't have a > problem with it here in New Mexico, nor did I have any problems in New York > (the public servers are in California). What exactly is everyone afraid of? > > Adam > It's not a matter of being intimidated, it's the nusance factor. You click on the file at ballyalley. You get the Fileplanet page. You scroll down to find the non-member download links. you go to the wait page popup....you wait, you click on the 'download is ready' then the download happens. Now to get the next file... close the wait window. you press the back button on the browser. rinse, repeate... Now I know you don't have room on your server for all these files, but there's got to be a better solution. Lance From ballyalley@h... Thu Sep 19 19:35:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 02:35:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 86946 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 02:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 02:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.17) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 02:35:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:35:10 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:35:10 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:35:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2002 02:35:10.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[5757C280:01C2604E] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Lance wrote: >> It's not a matter of being intimidated, it's the nusance factor. [...] Now I know you don't have room on your server for all these files, but there's got to be a better solution. >> @Lance: Well- um, do you have room for them? If you do, then maybe the files can be hosted on the FAQ page (to everyone's advantage). I'm not at my computer, so I can't give the exact storage that is needed, but there are several hundred megabytes worth of PDF files on File Planet- do you have room for that on your server? Doesn't everyone love the idea of Adam and Lance teaming up? Adam and Lance. Lance and Adam. There's a nice ring to that... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From slapdash@e... Thu Sep 19 22:06:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: slapdash@e... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 05:06:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 23986 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 05:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.enteract.com) (207.229.143.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:06:05 -0000 Received: from [216.80.74.82] (216-80-74-82.d.enteract.com [216.80.74.82]) by smtp-2.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8862771E4 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:06:04 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: slapdash@p... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:58:56 -0500 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Russ Perry Jr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3894736 X-Yahoo-Profile: slapdash26 At 11:43 AM -0700 9/19/02, Adam Trionfo wrote: >I was just looking over the Bally Alley website. Many of the newsletters >have only been downloaded TWICE (i.e. two people in the WHOLE world have >taken the trouble to download the files) Unless some records have been lost, I'm one of them. >I was looking around at other parts of the site and some documentation has >NEVER been downloaded. For that, it's just that I haven't had the time to go looking for more info. As it is, a lot of what I downloaded is sitting here unread, so right now, I don't want to stack up more. Someday maybe... -- //*================================================================++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 slapdash@e... VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================================*// From ballyalley@h... Fri Sep 20 10:50:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 17:50:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 32297 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 17:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 17:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 17:50:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:50:09 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:50:09 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:50:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2002 17:50:09.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[29A342D0:01C260CE] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Russ Perry wrote: >> As it is, a lot of what I downloaded is sitting here unread, so right now, I don't want to stack up more. Someday maybe... >> I bet that's because you've downloaded little bits of everything on every classic gaming subject. Yea, well, at least you take the time to download the stuff- this way when you retire you can read all this stuff and then write a game ('couse it'll be the the 2600)- I guess we'll have to wait thirty years. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From spudboy@o... Fri Sep 20 21:33:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: spudboy@o... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 04:33:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 95304 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 04:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 04:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net) (167.206.5.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 04:33:07 -0000 Received: from Michael-Markowskis-Computer.local. (ool-18bef9b1.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.249.177]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.9 (built Jul 29 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H2R00INDTZGOT@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:32:39 -0400 Subject: Bally Multicart In-reply-to: To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <295D1492-CD1B-11D6-BBB4-000393A99A94@o...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT From: Michael Markowski X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=56070933 X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkamikazi Hello Everyone, I was just able to try my bally multicart as my old astrocade died when I first got the cart. I have a couple of questions about it. First is there anywhere that has a list of all the dip switches and what games are on them because I lost my paper with that info. Second what does it mean when it says to switch to "AB" then press = ? Third sometimes I get a message that says "Change switches to" and has three joystick looking things switched to the left and then it says to press the +. Thanks, Michael P.S. If only I can get a working arcadia 2001 to try my 2001 multicart From komb@s... Sat Sep 21 08:32:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 15:32:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 38729 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 15:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 15:32:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.187) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 15:32:30 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.250.104]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020921153229.WGGH15836.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:32:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3D8C9265.6000502@s...> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:38:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Multicart References: <295D1492-CD1B-11D6-BBB4-000393A99A94@o...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Michael Markowski wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Second what does > it mean when it says to switch to "AB" then press = ? When this appears on the screen, eject your multicart and either... 1) insert AstroBasic (Bally BASIC with audio jack) 2) Switch milticart to AstroBasic mode, re-insert. Press = to start program. From komb@s... Sat Sep 21 08:40:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 15:40:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 46669 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 15:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 15:40:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 15:39:59 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.250.104]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020921153958.MPKC26978.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3D8C9427.8030206@s...> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:45:43 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > @Lance: Well- um, do you have room for them? If you do, then maybe the > files can be hosted on the FAQ page (to everyone's advantage). I'm not at > my computer, so I can't give the exact storage that is needed, but there are > several hundred megabytes worth of PDF files on File Planet- do you have > room for that on your server? > I will! :) Over the next week, I'll be setting up my own webserver. With several gigs devoted to web space. The Bad news. My html faq will be moving there. So there will be a url change. But I'll maintain a redirect page on my friends server.(where it resides now) The Good News. Lots of space! I'll be happy to host anything Bally/Astrocade related on it. (And even still have it accessable exclusively from your pages) I'll let you all know when it's up. Lance From ballyalley@h... Sat Sep 21 09:19:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 16:19:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8915 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 16:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 16:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.207) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 16:19:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:19:39 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:19:39 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Arcadian downloads from Bally Alley Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:19:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 16:19:39.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF6ECAD0:01C2618A] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Over the next week, I'll be setting up my own webserver. With several gigs devoted to web space. >> I'll contact you privately about this. I'll need to send you all the pdf files... >> My html faq will be moving there. So there will be a url change. But I'll maintain a redirect page on my friends server.(where it resides now) >> Your FAQ has been in the same place for a LONG time (since 1996, right?). People all over the web have links to your FAQ, so don't forget that redirect- it's important. >> Lots of space! I'll be happy to host anything Bally/Astrocade related on it. (And even still have it accessable exclusively from your pages) >> Only one item on the Bally Alley site needs to be exclusive- the Arcadian newsletters (as per my agreement with Bob Fabris). Anything else can be spread around! Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Sep 21 09:45:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 16:45:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 80004 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 16:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 16:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 16:45:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:45:02 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:45:01 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Multicart Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:45:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 16:45:02.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AD71660:01C2618E] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Michael wrote: >> I have a couple of questions about it [the Bally multicart]. First is there anywhere that has a list of all the dip switches and what games are on them because I lost my paper with that info. >> I have one, but my scanner hasn't been hooked up since I moved about a month ago. I'll see about hooking the scanner up this week so that I can scan my copy in for you >> Second what does it mean when it says to switch to "AB" then press = ? >> Before this message appears on screen, what has happen is a title page has appeared along with the program data. Programs like this are written in one of the variations of BASIC. In order to use these programs the user must use AstroBasic (or sometimes Blue Ram BASIC- meaning that you need a memory expansion unit). After this message appears on the screen, the Astrocade is put into a loop that STOPS checking to see if a cartridge has been changed- the only thing that the Astrocade is checking for is to see if a certain key has been pressed (in this case the '?'). After the cartridge has been swapped (or the appropriate BASIC has been selected on the multicart), the Astrocade starts looking at the cartridge again- but does NOT reset memory (as would happen normally when you swap a cart). So the program that was loaded before is STILL there- now a 'hook' is used to start it from BASIC, and BAM! you have your BASIC program running from a cartridge instead of loading it from cassette. Too bad I don't understand how to make one of these... >> Third sometimes I get a message that says "Change switches to" and has three joystick looking things switched to the left and then it says to press the +. >> These are Michael White's programs (originally released on cassette in about 1983). He actually created a multicart in 1990 that has three dip toggle switches (that's what the pictures on the screen are- toggle switches, NOT joysticks). When you use the original cartridge that Mike made, the switches are changed just like the screen instructs, and then the '+' was pressed- BAM! the game works- just like I talked about in the previous section. However, since the multicart doesn't have the dipswitches that Mike had on his cart, you must choose the game by title from the multicart list; once you do that, then press the '+' key, the game will start normally. Note about Mike's "multicart" from 1990: He only made about three of these carts (I think). I have one, so I'll take a picture of it- it's cool looking. Also, at Mike's request, this item is NOT listed in the latest edition (volume seven) of the DP Collector's Guide. >> If only I can get a working arcadia 2001 to try my 2001 multicart. >> They have been selling rather inexpensively (less than thirty bucks) on ebay recently- so pick one up. If you have the latest EPROM revision, then you can see the Space Vultures "mothership" mockup that I created- kinda neat. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From slapdash@e... Sat Sep 21 09:48:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: slapdash@e... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 16:48:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 80633 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 16:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 16:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.enteract.com) (207.229.143.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 16:48:54 -0000 Received: from [216.80.74.9] (216-80-74-9.d.enteract.com [216.80.74.9]) by smtp-1.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5F78286 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:48:52 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: slapdash@p... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:41:46 -0500 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Multicart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Russ Perry Jr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3894736 X-Yahoo-Profile: slapdash26 At 9:45 AM -0700 9/21/02, Adam Trionfo wrote: >Note about Mike's "multicart" from 1990: He only made about three of these >carts (I think). I have one, so I'll take a picture of it- it's cool >looking. I'd definitely love to see this. >Also, at Mike's request, this item is NOT listed in the latest >edition (volume seven) of the DP Collector's Guide. Why exactly? Just doesn't want to see a value placed on it since it is a homebrewed thing? -- //*================================================================++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 slapdash@e... VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================================*// From ballyalley@h... Sat Sep 21 11:21:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 18:21:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 27529 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 18:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 18:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 18:21:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:21:55 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:21:55 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Multicart Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:21:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 18:21:55.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[C439C260:01C2619B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Russ Perry wrote: >> Why exactly? Just doesn't want to see a value placed on it since it is a homebrewed thing? >> You know- I really am not sure. He and I worked on the Astrocade section together (over the phone, through the mail, and via FAX) and I never did get a straight answer on this. Your guess is right along with mine- I suspect that his homebrew project does seem "real" enough to be included in the DP Guide. If this were true, then many other items in the guide would need to be booted out too- but they're in there. Mike was pretty active in the Astrocade community, and he has some other items that he made that are pretty neat too- but they would be considered homebrew too- but these are more homebrew type items- one-of-a-kinds (i.e. stuff that shouldn't be in the guide). Hmm, does that help explain anything? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sat Sep 21 12:03:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 19:03:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 27923 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 19:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 19:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.173) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 19:03:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:03:33 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:03:33 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 'Repack' - Six Page Article by Michael White Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:03:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 19:03:33.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[94D6CFD0:01C261A1] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo 'Repack' - Six Page Article by Michael White Michael White sent Lance and I a six page article detailing the "repack" utility that is included in the Arcadian. I will have to scan this article in (when I setup my scanner). To whet everyone's appitite, here is the first paragraph of the article: Arcadian Vol.6 Pg.108 and 109 shows the "old" listing and procedure for this utility! However, if you change file search systems to the ":PRINT H,18" method, other things change also! The COMPLETE procedure for the "no added memory" repacking (using a ":PRINT H,18" filing is: [Mike has created a program here, and the article continues.] If you have been following this discussion group for a few months then you might remember that Mike wrote a few earlier articles- this article is an addition to them. I'll post this new article as soon as I can... Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From slapdash@e... Sat Sep 21 12:16:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: slapdash@e... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 19:16:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 37347 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 19:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 19:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.enteract.com) (207.229.143.33) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 19:16:40 -0000 Received: from [216.80.74.9] (216-80-74-9.d.enteract.com [216.80.74.9]) by smtp-1.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF128EDE for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:16:39 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: slapdash@p... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:09:32 -0500 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Multicart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Russ Perry Jr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3894736 X-Yahoo-Profile: slapdash26 At 11:21 AM -0700 9/21/02, Adam Trionfo wrote: >You know- I really am not sure. He and I worked on the Astrocade section >together (over the phone, through the mail, and via FAX) and I never did get >a straight answer on this. Your guess is right along with mine- I suspect >that his homebrew project does seem "real" enough to be included in the DP >Guide. If this were true, then many other items in the guide would need to >be booted out too- but they're in there. It's tough to consider what to include. For the longest time I didn't include multicarts in my lists, but then I added a few. >Mike was pretty active in the Astrocade community, and he has some other >items that he made that are pretty neat too- but they would be considered >homebrew too- but these are more homebrew type items- one-of-a-kinds (i.e. >stuff that shouldn't be in the guide). That's kind of what it comes down to for me... Did they make one for themself? Then no, it doesn't go into the guide, unless you put in a "curiosities" section, without price or rarity. On the other hand, in other collections even these homebrews/hacks/curiosities can be worth something, so maybe it DOES become important to include them? On the other hand, if they were made to be sold, and any did, then I think it definitely deserves a place in the guide. I imagine then that I would be inclined to include Mike's multicart by that criteria. >Hmm, does that help explain anything? Sure thing, though it's obviously a grey area... -- //*================================================================++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 slapdash@e... VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================================*// From ballyalley@h... Sat Sep 21 12:24:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 21 Sep 2002 19:24:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 10980 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 19:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2002 19:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 19:24:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:24:14 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:24:13 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Complete Tape Listing - Comments Requested Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:24:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2002 19:24:14.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[7865BF20:01C261A4] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Here is a long quote from a letter that I received from Michael White today. He is asking for a response; anything that anyone posts here I will pass along to him. This is the excerpt from his letter: I'm thinking of postponing the rest of this series [Mike is referring to the "Tape" and "Repack" articles"] to work on the tape listing [a listing of all the tapes released for the Astrocade]. It still scares me! I found Lance Squire's original FAQ online and now have (I think) a complete title list of the tapes from L&M! I still haven't figured out a good framework for it either! Some programs have multiple authors, multiple formats, or multiple versions ([and] other wise) and chronology starts to get confusing. I thought of sources, but they overlap as well! It may require TWO listings, one by authors (in alphabetical order) and the other by chronology (starting with the BASIC 6002 handbook). Or [I could use] an even better idea if anyone can think of one! To show you how daunting this is: in Arcadian Vol. 1. they offered programs if you sent them a blank tape and picked out which ones you wanted from their list at about $2.00 per program! Meaning that all the first tapes were custom made! Therefore any listing HAS to go by program titles with notes as to what may or may not have gotten on the tape with it! Then they were offered as a listing on paper that you key in yourself! Help!! You [Adam] listed almost 350 titles out of the newsletters! There [were] about the same number of titles for sale, plus more that never got mentioned ANYWHERE! (and the programs used as demos in the tutorials weren't listed yet either!) The more I look at this, the bigger it gets! Yet in letters from Lance, I get the indication that the tape listing is requested more than any tutorials on BASIC, or even machine code programming! So, it looks as if this "monster" project must begin! Well, there you have it, Mike wants to start a listing of all the tapes released for the Astrocade- how would you like to see it? What do and don't you want to see in it? Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From slapdash@e... Sat Sep 21 21:26:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: slapdash@e... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 04:26:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 93158 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 04:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 04:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.enteract.com) (207.229.143.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 04:26:06 -0000 Received: from [216.80.74.166] (216-80-74-166.d.enteract.com [216.80.74.166]) by smtp-2.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0CF65A2 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:26:05 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: slapdash@p... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:18:54 -0500 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Complete Tape Listing - Comments Requested Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Russ Perry Jr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3894736 X-Yahoo-Profile: slapdash26 At 12:24 PM -0700 9/21/02, Adam Trionfo wrote: >Well, there you have it, Mike wants to start a listing of all the tapes >released for the Astrocade- how would you like to see it? What do and don't >you want to see in it? I'm not sure a chronological list would work very well... Too hard to be assured that it's correct. An author list would be fine, but I'd say that list be title is still the best way. Of course, a secondary list by author or chronological order would be icing on the cake. I'd also like to see indicators of "professionality". I mean, was it sold by a company, an individual, or by newsletter. The $2 tapes he mentions of type-in programs are least interesting in my eyes, but stuff by L&M, or George Moses, that was advertised and sold as "discrete titles" rather than "we can make a tape of whatever for you", is more interesting. -- //*================================================================++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 slapdash@e... VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================================*// From ballyalley@h... Sun Sep 22 08:37:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 15:37:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 29504 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 15:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 15:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.76) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 15:37:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:37:50 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:37:50 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally Multicart Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:37:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2002 15:37:50.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[027CF530:01C2624E] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Third sometimes I get a message that says "Change switches to" and has three joystick looking things switched to the left and then it says to press the +. >> One thing I forgot to mention about Mike's multicart- all the games on it require extra memory (i.e. a standard Astrocade won't play them- you need a Blue Ram expansion or other memory expansion unit). This, of course, holds true when you play the game from Ward's multicart too. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Sun Sep 22 08:46:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 15:46:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 39822 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 15:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 15:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 15:46:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:46:47 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:46:46 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Complete Tape Listing - Comments Requested Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:46:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2002 15:46:47.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[42323400:01C2624F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Russ Wrote: >> I'm not sure a chronological list would work very well... Too hard to be assured that it's correct. >> Agreed. Mike would be depending on the newsletters for the order of the tapes-- not always accurate. >> An author list would be fine, but I'd say that list be title is still the best way. Of course, a secondary list by author or chronological order would be icing on the cake. >> I talked to Mike on the phone last night and he pretty-much agrees that program title is the way to go. You're right- anything else is nice, but is just "icing on the cake." >> I'd also like to see indicators of "professionality". >> Well, that's understood. That would be part of the listing Mike creates. There would be a comment such as: Arcadian pg. 24, or Wavemakers Tape 12, or George Moses. >> I mean, was it sold by a company, an individual, or by newsletter. The $2 tapes he mentions of type-in programs are least interesting in my eyes >> Don't be afraid to say it- some of the tapes released for the Bally are... crap! The neat thing about it is that ANYONE could release a tape for the Bally. The bad thing about it is that, well, ANYONE could create a tape for the Bally... >> stuff by L&M, or George Moses, that was advertised and sold as "discrete titles" rather than "we can make a tape of whatever for you", is more interesting. >> No doubt about that. Not only is it more interesting- the quality is much better. Most of those tapes, especially the tapes that were released for AstroBasic, make use of the on-board ROM subroutines, or have their own machine language rountines which make the animation of games much better. Also, these are the titles that anyone who has delved into the Astrocade would probably be interested to know about. The other tape titles can follow. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Mon Sep 23 22:32:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 24 Sep 2002 05:32:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 80619 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 05:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2002 05:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.171) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 05:32:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:32:25 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:32:25 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Z-80 Mini-Course Index and Intro Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:32:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2002 05:32:25.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3AEC510:01C2638B] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Included in this posting is the index and the introduction to a Z-80, Astrocade specific, booklet called "Z-80 Mini-Course." The booklet has been available on the Bally Alley website since March 28, 2002. It can be downloaded from the Astrocade Machine Language Documentation page: http://www.classicgaming.com/ballyalley/ml/ml_docs/ml_docs.html The name of the document is: Astrocade Z-80 Mini-course. The file isn't small- it is almost 6MB- but it's full of interesting information for anyone that is curious about machine language progamming on the Astrocade (even if you're not interested in programming the Astrocade it is worth a peek). Note that this booklet is written with the original Bally BASIC (300-baud) programmer in mind- but it's useful for others as well. Enjoy (and download the pdf!): Adam Z-80 MINI-COURSE Table of Contents Machine Programming Principles pg. 1 Opcodes and Mnemonics (Whatsit?) pg. 2 Z-80 Registers and System Block Diagram pg. 3 Bally System Operation pg. 4 I.O. Port Configuration pg. 5 Bally BASIC Memory Usage pg. 6 ASCII Character Code Chart pg. 7 When What Why and How Math pg. 8 Two's Complements pg. 9 Conversions pg. 11 Opcode Actions Applications and Experiments Loads pg. 14 The Stack pg. 17 Alternate Register Set pg. 18 INs and OUTs pg. 19 Conditionals-'IFs' pg. 20 Increments and Decrements pg. 22 ADDs and SUBs pg. 22 Logicals pg. 22 Others pg. 22 Block Move Program (LDIR for cartridge copying etc.) pg. 23 Interrupt Processing pg. 24 Program Instructions Color Tunnel and Art pg. 26 Color Formatter pg. 27 Color Scribble and Record pg. 29 Machine Programming Utility pg. 30 Program Descriptions (Interrupt Multi-prioritization) pg. 32 Color Tunnel pg. 33 Color Formatter pg. 34 'BASIC' Helpers pg. 35 BASIC Listings Formatter and American Flag pg. 36 Color Scribble and Record pg. 37 Machine Programming Utility pg. 38 Color Tunnel pg. 39 Atari Logo pg. 40 Machine Language Listings and Follow-throughs American Flag pg. 40 Atari Logo and Color Formatter pg. 41 Color tunnel pg. 42 Z-80 Instruction Set in Decimal and Hex pg. 43 Introduction The custom chips in the arcade are some of the few mass produced, and therefore low cost devices available to the consumer for animation and graphics. Since very little has been written about the 'machine' aspects of these chips, it is my objective to provide some information on a few facets of their operation. Hopefully this will dispel some of the mystery regarding the software techniques necessary to take advantage of some of the capabilities. Though this manual is meant to be more or less a beginners guide to machine programming with the Bally, it is helpful to have somewhat of an understanding of a few programming techniques with the Bally Basic language. Also, good adjuncts to this book would be one of the many paperbacks on the Z-80, and the Z-80 Assembly Language Programming Manual, which is published by Zilog. As you read and do the experiments refer to the Z-80 code listing at the end of this book (pgs. 43-45). Keep a notebook. If you fully understand everything that is covered, you will be able to do many things that are impossible with Basic alone. You should also end up with a good understanding of how machine language routines can be used with Basic to increase speed, simplify functions, and save bytes. Many ideas, examples, and analogies will be made in reference to Bally Basic. I've tried to construct this book as something which I wish I had when I started programming in machine language. Hopefully this information will prove to be of benefit to those venturing into machine programming. I hope to continue where this leaves off in Course Two which will cover uses of RST instructions, and onboard ROM subroutines. If you have any comments, or information that you would like to share, I would appreciate hearing from you. I will be consolidating and organizing all notes and information, to be presented as this is in the future. Also I would like to officially thank all the computer nuts, and mentor friends, for without whom, this book and my knowledge would not exist. Time warp thanx to Thinkradrite and Itragen. Larry Simioni End of Document _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Wed Sep 25 13:22:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 25 Sep 2002 20:22:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 97978 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 20:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2002 20:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 20:22:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:22:07 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:22:07 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re-typing Z-80 Mini-Course Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:22:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 20:22:07.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[382E0E00:01C264D1] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I've started using OCR and re-typing the "Z80 mini-course" booklet. It's rather long (45 full pages), but I thought that I'd give it a try. I'm currently on page 2... Hey, it's a start! Since this booklet was made for the older version of BASIC some of the information is outdated, but much of the book deals directly with learning Z-80 machine language, and in those areas it is very informal and good. I'll start posting the booklet as I make some headway. If anyone want's to proofread, let me know... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From ballyalley@h... Wed Sep 25 19:40:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 26 Sep 2002 02:40:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 98245 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 02:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 02:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.196) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 02:40:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:40:09 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:40:09 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Z-80 Mini-Course - Uploaded version 1.1 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:40:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2002 02:40:09.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[0809BBE0:01C26506] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Here is the progress so far on the "Z-80 Minicourse" conversion to text format. The file is called "Z-80_mini-course.txt" and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Machine-Language-Programming/ Version 1.1 covers the index and pages 1-5. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From komb@s... Wed Sep 25 21:06:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 26 Sep 2002 04:06:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 78296 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 04:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 04:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 04:06:23 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.48.81]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020926040622.RRRB13033.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:06:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3D92891F.6050601@s...> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:12:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Z-80 Mini-Course References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian I've read through the pdf file. It is of much value to anyone learning Z80 and Bally programming. I'll be using it as a quick reference as I've lost my Z80 book, low many years ago. :( Lance From glitch@m... Thu Sep 26 10:57:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: glitch@m... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 26 Sep 2002 17:57:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 35082 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 17:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 17:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 17:57:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2002 17:57:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:57:38 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cart Label Images Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Matthew Knapp" X-Originating-IP: 24.123.6.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47074252 X-Yahoo-Profile: mvknapp I was wondering if anyone had any cart label scans or know where I could find some. I've lost the labels on 3 of my carts and was thinking of printing up new ones to replace them. I could scan in another cart and then modify it to the proper name but I'd rather have scan of the original labels. The three labels I'm missing is Star Battle, Space Fortress, and Amazing Maze/Tic-Tac-Toe. They simply fell off and I'm not sure where they went to since I store most of my carts inside the Bally itself. tia Matt From ballyalley@h... Thu Sep 26 16:26:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 26 Sep 2002 23:26:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 93279 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 23:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 23:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 23:26:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:26:17 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:26:17 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Ver. 1.2 of 'Z-80 Mini-Course' uploaded Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:26:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2002 23:26:17.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D2EF310:01C265B4] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo I've uploaded version 1.2 of the Astrocade Z-80 minicourse. Version 1.2 adds proofread pages 6, 7 and 8. Version 1.1 covers the index and pages 1-5. The file is called "Z-80_mini-course.txt" and can be downloaded from the discussion group file area: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Machine-Language-Programming/ Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ballyalley@h... Thu Sep 26 17:07:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 00:07:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 79509 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 00:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 00:07:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.172) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 00:07:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:07:55 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:07:55 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Z-80 Books - Here's a list of four Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:07:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 00:07:55.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE0F9930:01C265B9] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Lance wrote: >> I'll be using it [Z-80 MINICOURSE] as a quick reference as I've lost my Z80 book, low many years ago. :( >> Since this discussion group started, several books have come up as good Z-80 reference/learning books (the Astrocade's CPU is a Z-80). Here are four books that I purchased on half.com or ebay in 2001. I paid between fifty cents and six dollars per book- very fair prices! Leventhal, Lance A. 1979. Z80 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING. Berkeley: Osborne/McGraw-Hill. Leventhal, Lance A., Winthrop Saville. 1983. Z80 MACHINE LANGUAGE SUBROUTINES. Berkeley: Osborne/McGraw-Hill. Spracklen, Kathe. 1979. Z80 and 8080 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING. Rochelle Park: Hayden Book Company, Inc. Zaks, Rodnay. 1981. HOW TO PROGRAM THE Z80, THIRD EDITION. USA: SYBEX, Inc. My favorite book among these is HOW TO PROGRAM THE Z80- it gives all the information that you need to get started- from a very beginner (i.e. this is the first computer book ever purchased) to the advanced programmer. It's a good book. My other favorite is the subroutine book- it's full of good stuff! If you can get your hands on any of these books, then I recommend it. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From komb@s... Thu Sep 26 17:36:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 00:36:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 84588 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 00:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 00:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.52) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 00:36:35 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.48.81]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020927003634.RNHW28662.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3D93A973.8070604@s...> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:42:27 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Z-80 Books - Here's a list of four References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Here are four > books that I purchased on half.com or ebay in 2001. I paid between fifty > cents and six dollars per book- very fair prices! > Thanks! I'll be looking for these. Lance From komb@s... Thu Sep 26 17:56:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 00:56:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 63808 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 00:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 00:56:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 00:56:57 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.48.81]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020927005656.IIOK13033.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:56:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3D93AE3A.2030905@s...> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:02:50 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Cart Label Images References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Matthew Knapp wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any cart label scans or know where I > could find some. I've lost the labels on 3 of my carts and was > thinking of printing up new ones to replace them. I could scan in > another cart and then modify it to the proper name but I'd rather > have scan of the original labels. The three labels I'm missing is > Star Battle, Space Fortress, and Amazing Maze/Tic-Tac-Toe. They > simply fell off and I'm not sure where they went to since I store > most of my carts inside the Bally itself. > Of course, from a purist point of view, which version of those labels would you be looking for? I can scann the versions I do have. Lance From glitch@m... Fri Sep 27 08:13:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: glitch@m... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 15:13:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 43047 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 15:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 15:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 15:13:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 15:13:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:13:22 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cart Label Images Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c265c9$ba510920$3a43fea9@t...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1343 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Matthew Knapp" X-Originating-IP: 24.123.6.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47074252 X-Yahoo-Profile: mvknapp Thanks Rick. Those are perfect. They're even the releases I had (as far as Bally or Astrovision). --- In ballyalley@y..., "Rick & Myrna Trnka" wrote: > Hi Matt: > Here's the third. > Rick..... > P.s. Please email me if this works. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew Knapp > To: ballyalley@y... > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:57 AM > Subject: [ballyalley] Cart Label Images > > > I was wondering if anyone had any cart label scans or know where I > could find some. I've lost the labels on 3 of my carts and was > thinking of printing up new ones to replace them. I could scan in > another cart and then modify it to the proper name but I'd rather > have scan of the original labels. The three labels I'm missing is > Star Battle, Space Fortress, and Amazing Maze/Tic-Tac-Toe. They > simply fell off and I'm not sure where they went to since I store > most of my carts inside the Bally itself. > > tia > > Matt > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From glitch@m... Fri Sep 27 08:15:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: glitch@m... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 15:15:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 90471 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 15:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 15:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 15:15:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 15:15:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:15:34 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cart Label Images Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D93AE3A.2030905@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1036 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Matthew Knapp" X-Originating-IP: 24.123.6.68 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47074252 X-Yahoo-Profile: mvknapp --- In ballyalley@y..., "Lance F. Squire" wrote: > Matthew Knapp wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone had any cart label scans or know where I > > could find some. I've lost the labels on 3 of my carts and was > > thinking of printing up new ones to replace them. I could scan in > > another cart and then modify it to the proper name but I'd rather > > have scan of the original labels. The three labels I'm missing is > > Star Battle, Space Fortress, and Amazing Maze/Tic-Tac-Toe. They > > simply fell off and I'm not sure where they went to since I store > > most of my carts inside the Bally itself. > > > > Of course, from a purist point of view, which version of those labels > would you be looking for? > > I can scann the versions I do have. > > Lance Thanks Lance. Rick sent me some scans that I can use and they are actually the same releases I had. Star Battle & Amazing Maze were the original Bally releases and Space Fortress was an Astrovision release. Thanks again for the offer. From ward.shrake@w... Fri Sep 27 10:58:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 17:58:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 9575 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 17:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 17:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 17:58:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 17:58:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:58:53 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MESS astrocade work Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D6D3EF4.8534.4AC46CF0@l...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1372 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Ward Shrake" X-Originating-IP: 206.15.46.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan I am tempted to ask you to look into allowing a PC that has been modified to work with a standard-issue Atari 2600 joystick, to also work with the Astrocade emulator. I realize this has its share of things against it; I'm just trying to think ahead, and avoid physical adapters, if and when I ever make myself a dedicated MAME / MESS box. -- Ward Shrake -- --- In ballyalley@y..., Frank Palazzolo wrote: > > Hello All, > > I hope to get a little time to work on the MESS astrocade driver > again, within the next 2 months or so. Off the top of my head, my > goals would be: > > 1) Fix known sound bug in noise generator. > 2) Add border > 3) Tape support (2000 and 300 baud wav files, plus maybe other > formats) > 4) Any other requests..? > > A couple notes: > > Regarding 2 - Can anyone give me a rough idea how much of the > border is visible or point me to some accurate TV screengrabs? > My astrocade died recently too... :( > > Regarding 3 - I haven't really been following the tape archiving effort > very closely. What formats should the emulator accept besides raw > .WAV files? > > Thanks, > Frank > > P.S. - I'm also considering adding a mechanism for loading/saving > BASIC files from/to text files on a local machine. This would be a > feature that would be "addable" to all drivers in MESS that > supported a BASIC. From ward.shrake@w... Fri Sep 27 11:02:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 18:02:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 4658 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 18:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:02:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 18:02:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:02:12 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bally Multicart Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1013 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Ward Shrake" X-Originating-IP: 206.15.46.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan One important thing to note, about Mike's multicart... it only had eight programs on it, by design. The three toggle switches give only eight choices... 2 x 2 x 2 = 8. And the programs on his multicart were all BASIC carts. Totally different design and purpose, than the multicart that Ward (I) made. -- Ward Shrake -- --- In ballyalley@y..., "Adam Trionfo" wrote: > >> > Third sometimes I get a message that says "Change switches to" and has three > joystick looking things switched to the left and then it says to press the > +. > >> > > One thing I forgot to mention about Mike's multicart- all the games on it > require extra memory (i.e. a standard Astrocade won't play them- you need a > Blue Ram expansion or other memory expansion unit). This, of course, holds > true when you play the game from Ward's multicart too. > > Adam > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ward.shrake@w... Fri Sep 27 11:10:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 18:10:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 13351 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 18:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:10:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2002 18:10:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:10:41 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: About Ward Shrake Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1305 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Ward Shrake" X-Originating-IP: 206.15.46.129 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Just as a reminder... I'm not really "back" like before, at this point. This is the first postings I've made in a month, because I have nothing like the level of computer / internet access that I used to have. I'm posting this from a public library, with a time limit on how long I can be online, and so on. As I probably said a month ago, before I went off-line... any e-mails that were sent to my old e-mail address -- which is still valid -- will just sit there on a server somewhere, till I can physically hook my old computer back up, and access things through that actual computer. For the time being, about three guys have my new, temporary e-mail address, so I am semi-in-touch, at least. That's the best I can do, for now. As far as instructions for the Multicart goes, all of that stuff is in storage right now, with almost everything else I own. I can't easily get to it. I also can't print new sheets out. Which means, if you lose your instruction sheet, then for the time being, you're screwed. Not much I can do to help you, at the present time. Sorry. When I get regular computer access back, and my "real" computer, things will likely change. But that isn't on any real time-frame; it could be weeks or months from now; it is out of my control, for the forseeable. -- Ward Shrake -- From ballyalley@h... Fri Sep 27 11:17:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 18:17:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14891 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 18:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:17:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:17:12 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:17:12 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Cart Label Images Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:17:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 18:17:12.0997 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A096550:01C26652] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Hi Matt: Number two, are these oaky??? Rick..... >> Large attachments like the cartridge label should be uploaded to the file section of the discussion board. I'm sure that not all 65 of us want that label... Adam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From lasrtt@g... Fri Sep 27 11:30:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lasrtt@g... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 18:30:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 88856 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 18:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-2.gci.net) (208.138.130.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:30:42 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H340R400.0PJ for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:30:40 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.113.251]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H340R201.L33 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:30:38 -0800 Message-ID: <003901c26652$2b6e5e40$851dfea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Cart Label Images Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:17:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C2660F.1C81B3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C2660F.1C81B3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matt: Glad it worked out for you, have some fun this weekend. Rick..... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew Knapp=20 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: [ballyalley] Re: Cart Label Images Thanks Rick. Those are perfect. They're even the releases I had=20 (as far as Bally or Astrovision). --- In ballyalley@y..., "Rick & Myrna Trnka" wrote: > Hi Matt: > Here's the third. > Rick..... > P.s. Please email me if this works. > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Matthew Knapp=20 > To: ballyalley@y...=20 > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:57 AM > Subject: [ballyalley] Cart Label Images >=20 >=20 > I was wondering if anyone had any cart label scans or know where=20 I=20 > could find some. I've lost the labels on 3 of my carts and was=20 > thinking of printing up new ones to replace them. I could scan=20 in=20 > another cart and then modify it to the proper name but I'd=20 rather=20 > have scan of the original labels. The three labels I'm missing=20 is=20 > Star Battle, Space Fortress, and Amazing Maze/Tic-Tac-Toe. They=20 > simply fell off and I'm not sure where they went to since I=20 store=20 > most of my carts inside the Bally itself. >=20 > tia >=20 > Matt >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 > ADVERTISEMENT >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? >=20 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@y... >=20 >=20 >=20 > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of=20 Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Thanks Rick.  Those are perfect.  They're ev= en=20 the releases I had
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C2660F.1C81B3C0-- From ballyalley@h... Fri Sep 27 11:45:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 18:45:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 73921 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 18:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.169) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:45:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:45:06 -0700 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:45:06 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Cart Label Images Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:45:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 18:45:06.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF7A3E90:01C26655] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Thank you Rick for uploading the pictures of the three cartridge titles that Matt requested. I have created a folder here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Cartridge-Pictures/ This folder now holds those images. I have cropped the TIF images that Rick uploaded and then converted them to high quality JPG images. I have also deleted the original messages- as they were quite BIG (about 200K each). In the future, please upload all pictures of cartridges to this "Cartridge-Pictures" file area. I will convert the pictures to high quality JPG images. Also, 100 dpi pictures work very well (Risk, your image were only 75 dpi). Either way, thanks to Rick for starting us out. My cartridges all have seen better days, otherwise I would have uploaded some cartridges myself. When my scanner is hooked up I will upload some of my rare titles, no matter what condition the label is in. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From lasrtt@g... 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X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 23:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 8231 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 23:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta-1.gci.net) (208.138.130.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:35:14 -0000 Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H34EUN01.OJH for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:35:11 -0800 Received: from tinkertoy ([24.237.116.155]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H34EUN01.W64 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:35:11 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01c2667c$c28b92a0$851dfea9@t...> To: References: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Cart Label Images Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:22:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Rick & Myrna Trnka" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=97891212 X-Yahoo-Profile: ricktrnka You are welcome. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Trionfo" To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Cart Label Images > Thank you Rick for uploading the pictures of the three cartridge titles that > Matt requested. I have created a folder here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Cartridge-Pictures/ > > This folder now holds those images. I have cropped the TIF images that Rick > uploaded and then converted them to high quality JPG images. I have also > deleted the original messages- as they were quite BIG (about 200K each). > > In the future, please upload all pictures of cartridges to this > "Cartridge-Pictures" file area. I will convert the pictures to high quality > JPG images. Also, 100 dpi pictures work very well (Risk, your image were > only 75 dpi). > > Either way, thanks to Rick for starting us out. My cartridges all have seen > better days, otherwise I would have uploaded some cartridges myself. When > my scanner is hooked up I will upload some of my rare titles, no matter what > condition the label is in. > > Adam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From jwkrych@n... Sun Oct 13 20:05:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwkrych@n... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 14 Oct 2002 03:05:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 18865 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 03:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2002 03:05:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 03:05:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2002 03:05:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:05:40 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: CCAG 2003!!! Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 147 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "centurion030" X-Originating-IP: 68.71.102.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8914535 X-Yahoo-Profile: centurion030 Hello! The CCAG is back for 2003!!!!! May 24th, 2003 Setup for vendors is May 23rd For more information: www.ccagshow.com See ya at the CCAG! From mc71de@y... Wed Oct 16 17:19:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: mc71de@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 00:19:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 20044 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 00:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 00:19:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 00:19:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2002 00:19:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:19:30 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bally instruction archive Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 244 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "mc71de" X-Originating-IP: 80.141.81.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112771714 X-Yahoo-Profile: mc71de Hello Adam, As i mentioned somewhere else, the link to 'Ozyr's Classic Video Game Emporium' and it's Bally instruction archive is outdated by now. I put the new address, www.ozyr.com, into the group's links section. Have a look at it! -mc From komb@s... Wed Oct 16 18:47:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 01:47:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 96016 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 01:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 01:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 01:47:36 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.45]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021017014735.MFID17238.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3DAE183C.5010704@s...> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:54:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally instruction archive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian mc71de wrote: > Hello Adam, > > As i mentioned somewhere else, the link to 'Ozyr's Classic Video > Game Emporium' and it's Bally instruction archive is outdated by > now. I put the new address, www.ozyr.com, into the group's links > section. Have a look at it! > > -mc > > Now added to link page of Bally/Astrocade html faq. Thanks for the update. Lance From komb@s... Sun Nov 17 17:03:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 18 Nov 2002 01:03:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 56830 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 01:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2002 01:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2002 01:03:24 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.220]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021118010323.CYPO27245.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:03:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3DD83DF7.3020802@s...> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:10:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bally's Blitter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian In Talking to the guy at Wikipedia, I realized that the 'Magic' functions of the Bally Video system are a primitive blitter. Well.... Minus the actual blit part. Definition: Blitter: Bit Block transfer device. A standard Blitter, as seen on the Amiga and Atari ST computers, also incorporated into many of todays videocards, is a chip that does block memory moves and various functions on that block. For instance the amiga&st could tell their blitters to take memory block X-Y and move it to screen as a H x W block at location Z using functions a, b, on it. Magic: The Bally's 'Magic' functions are what allow it to do the many flyers & MANY missles in 'Galactic Invasion' without comming to a complete crawl. Magic functions are performed by setting the Magic registers then writing data into ROM in the same offset you'd want it to show up on the screen. For example write to 0x0000h to get 0x4000h (first byte of screen) The first important function to look at in the Magic register is Expand. Expand: ------- This function takes a monochrome single bit image and converts it into a 2 bit 2 colour image. With your selection of 2 colours from the 4 pallette registers. What this allows us to do is have an image in memory like this: Pac Man Ghost Bits ------ 00011000 01111110 11101011 11111111 11111111 01010101 Expand can render this to the screen as three different coloured ghosts, Presuming we want to keep one colour for the background. Presuming a pallette of: black (B) Yellow (y) Red (r) Blue(b) Expanded bits Colour Image ------------- -------------- 00 00 00 01 01 00 00 00 BBByyBBB 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 00 ByyyyyyB 01 01 01 00 01 00 01 01 yyyByByy 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 yyyyyyyy 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 yyyyyyyy 00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 ByByByBy Expanded bits Colour Image ------------- -------------- 00 00 00 10 10 00 00 00 BBBrrBBB 00 10 10 10 10 10 10 00 BrrrrrrB 10 10 10 00 10 00 10 10 rrrBrBrr 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 rrrrrrrr 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 rrrrrrrr 00 10 00 10 00 10 00 10 BrBrBrBr Expanded bits Colour Image ------------- -------------- 00 00 00 11 11 00 00 00 BBBbbBBB 00 00 11 11 11 11 11 00 BbbbbbbB 11 11 11 00 11 00 11 11 bbbBbBbb 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 bbbbbbbb 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 bbbbbbbb 00 11 00 11 00 11 00 11 BbBbBbBb This allows us to save memory by not having the expanded versions in memory, and save processor cycles by not having the CPU do the conversions. So right now, we can draw 3 colours of ghost on byte boundries (every 4 pixels) What if we want the ghost to move sideways by less than 4 pixels? Shift: ------ This function unlike the cpu version is pixel oriented. That is it only shifts by pixels, 2 bits at a time, rather that just 1 bit at a time. To place our ghost 2 pixels off the left edge, we would set the magic shift bits to 10 (2) The shifter only takes values of 0, 1, 2 and 3. If we want the ghost on the 4th pixel from the edge we set shift to 0 and write the ghost data 1 memory location over. Ok, now we can draw different coloured ghosts all over the screen! Now, how do we get rid of them? XOR: ---- You will notice that in 'Galatic Invasion', the ships and shots never disturb the starfield behind them. Infact if you watch you will notice that you can see the stars through the ships. This is because they are using XOR mode to both write and erase the ships and shots. This works because writing XORed data onto an existing image causes a sort of inversion of the data. So if you re-write to the same place the inversion returns to normal leaving no trace of your original write. Now, the reason this mode is so important to the Magic functions is because for the cpu to XOR data it takes 3 cycles (Read target, Modify target, write target). Using the Magic version the cpu does a simple write (1 cycle) and the video system Expands, Shifts and XORs the data for it. This should be enough. I plan to create a page for the HTML FAQ usnig this information...Programming section? Questions, comments... Lance From komb@s... Sun Nov 17 17:04:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 18 Nov 2002 01:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 43262 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 01:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2002 01:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2002 01:04:06 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.220]) by tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021118010405.HKUU21453.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3DD83E22.1020100@s...> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:10:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wikipedia Entery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian We now have an entry on the www.wikipedia.org web site. It's an online Encylopedia type thing. Have a look, and if you see any errors, or know anything that needs to be added, there's a button that allows YOU to edit the information. I would like th encourage those who worked with the Bally/Astrocade to have a look and make any corections they feel nessessary. lance From fmillera@p... Mon Nov 18 18:36:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 19 Nov 2002 02:36:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 90514 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 02:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2002 02:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) (206.13.28.241) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 02:36:11 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.241.191]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5S00HQWXW80A@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:36:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:36:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally's Blitter In-reply-to: <3DD83DF7.3020802@s...> X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20021118183035.00a944a8@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 08:10 PM 11/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: >In Talking to the guy at Wikipedia, I realized that the 'Magic' >functions of the Bally Video system are a primitive blitter. > >Well.... Minus the actual blit part. > >Definition: > >Blitter: > >Bit Block transfer device. A standard Blitter, as seen on the Amiga and >Atari ST computers, also incorporated into many of todays videocards, is >a chip that does block memory moves and various functions on that block. > >For instance the amiga&st could tell their blitters to take memory block >X-Y and move it to screen as a H x W block at location Z using functions >a, b, on it. > >Magic: > >The Bally's 'Magic' functions are what allow it to do the many flyers & >MANY missles in 'Galactic Invasion' without comming to a complete crawl. > >Magic functions are performed by setting the Magic registers then >writing data into ROM in the same offset you'd want it to show up on the >screen. > >For example write to 0x0000h to get 0x4000h (first byte of screen) > >The first important function to look at in the Magic register is Expand. > >Expand: >------- >This function takes a monochrome single bit image and converts it into a > 2 bit 2 colour image. With your selection of 2 colours from the 4 >pallette registers. > >What this allows us to do is have an image in memory like this: > >Pac Man Ghost > > Bits >------ >00011000 >01111110 >11101011 >11111111 >11111111 >01010101 > > >Expand can render this to the screen as three different coloured ghosts, >Presuming we want to keep one colour for the background. > >Presuming a pallette of: black (B) Yellow (y) Red (r) Blue(b) > >Expanded bits Colour Image >------------- -------------- >00 00 00 01 01 00 00 00 BBByyBBB >00 01 01 01 01 01 01 00 ByyyyyyB >01 01 01 00 01 00 01 01 yyyByByy >01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 yyyyyyyy >01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 yyyyyyyy >00 01 00 01 00 01 00 01 ByByByBy > >Expanded bits Colour Image >------------- -------------- >00 00 00 10 10 00 00 00 BBBrrBBB >00 10 10 10 10 10 10 00 BrrrrrrB >10 10 10 00 10 00 10 10 rrrBrBrr >10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 rrrrrrrr >10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 rrrrrrrr >00 10 00 10 00 10 00 10 BrBrBrBr > >Expanded bits Colour Image >------------- -------------- >00 00 00 11 11 00 00 00 BBBbbBBB >00 00 11 11 11 11 11 00 BbbbbbbB >11 11 11 00 11 00 11 11 bbbBbBbb >11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 bbbbbbbb >11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 bbbbbbbb >00 11 00 11 00 11 00 11 BbBbBbBb > >This allows us to save memory by not having the expanded versions in >memory, and save processor cycles by not having the CPU do the conversions. > >So right now, we can draw 3 colours of ghost on byte boundries (every 4 >pixels) What if we want the ghost to move sideways by less than 4 pixels? > >Shift: >------ > >This function unlike the cpu version is pixel oriented. That is it only >shifts by pixels, 2 bits at a time, rather that just 1 bit at a time. > >To place our ghost 2 pixels off the left edge, we would set the magic >shift bits to 10 (2) > >The shifter only takes values of 0, 1, 2 and 3. If we want the ghost on >the 4th pixel from the edge we set shift to 0 and write the ghost data 1 >memory location over. > >Ok, now we can draw different coloured ghosts all over the screen! Now, >how do we get rid of them? > >XOR: >---- > >You will notice that in 'Galatic Invasion', the ships and shots never >disturb the starfield behind them. Infact if you watch you will notice >that you can see the stars through the ships. > >This is because they are using XOR mode to both write and erase the >ships and shots. This works because writing XORed data onto an existing >image causes a sort of inversion of the data. So if you re-write to the >same place the inversion returns to normal leaving no trace of your >original write. > >Now, the reason this mode is so important to the Magic functions is >because for the cpu to XOR data it takes 3 cycles (Read target, Modify >target, write target). Using the Magic version the cpu does a simple >write (1 cycle) and the video system Expands, Shifts and XORs the data >for it. > > >This should be enough. I plan to create a page for the HTML FAQ usnig >this information...Programming section? > >Questions, comments... > >Lance Good set of observations, Lance. To put this all into Windoze graphics accelerator perspective, a blitter is a chunk of hardware that takes the contents of a chunk of memory and replicates it elsewhere. The origin can be from a memory somewhere or someplace on the screen. The destination can be memory somewhere or another location on screen. This is generally done by hardware (DMA) under the control of software (register writes for origin, destination, size, etc. Sometimes a logical operation is performed on the way. This is usually referred to as a 'Raster Op'. The BPA Magic certainly did the 'Raster Op' portion of the blit. The rest of it is done by the Z80 code, with no hardware acceleration. Cheers, Tony Miller >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From komb@s... Mon Nov 18 20:35:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 19 Nov 2002 04:35:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 65568 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 04:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2002 04:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.74) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 04:35:04 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.6.220]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021119043503.MQAR1539.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:35:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3DD9C115.1010001@s...> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:41:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally's Blitter References: <4.2.2.20021118183035.00a944a8@p...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian tony miller wrote: > At 08:10 PM 11/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > Good set of observations, Lance. To put this all into Windoze graphics > accelerator perspective, a blitter is a chunk of hardware that takes the > contents of a chunk of memory and replicates it elsewhere. The origin can > be from a memory somewhere or someplace on the screen. The destination can > be memory somewhere or another location on screen. This is generally done > by hardware (DMA) under the control of software (register writes for > origin, destination, size, etc. Sometimes a logical operation is performed > on the way. This is usually referred to as a 'Raster Op'. > > The BPA Magic certainly did the 'Raster Op' portion of the blit. The rest > of it is done by the Z80 code, with no hardware acceleration. > > Cheers, > > Tony Miller > > > Thanks, Now I've been testing this, starting with expand. I now know what it means when it says ..."either the upper half or the lower half of teh data bus is expanded" This explains why I only get 1/2 of my image on the screen. However I can't figure how to get the other half to show up! Ok... Now I can. I guess the Magic isn't as powerful as I hoped. To get the other half of my image to show up, I have to write the same data into the next byte over. The first screen byte(4 pixels) gets the expansion of the top 4 bits, the second screen byte gets the expansion of the bottom 4 bits. For shifting I find I have to pad the right side with 0 bytes, to keep data from wraping around to the left of my image. Flopping so far, just makes a mess for me. Lance From fmillera@p... Tue Nov 19 19:48:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: fmillera@p... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 20 Nov 2002 03:48:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 29690 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2002 03:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2002 03:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) (64.164.98.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2002 03:48:14 -0000 Received: from tony-wi52w1lrd4 ([63.199.247.58]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5U000VLVWCWP@m...> for ballyalley@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:48:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:48:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Bally's Blitter In-reply-to: <3DD9C115.1010001@s...> X-Sender: fmillera@p... To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <4.2.2.20021119194318.00acdf00@p...> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.2.2.20021118183035.00a944a8@p...> From: tony miller X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68753080 X-Yahoo-Profile: tonymillerus At 11:41 PM 11/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >tony miller wrote: > > At 08:10 PM 11/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > Good set of observations, Lance. To put this all into Windoze graphics > > accelerator perspective, a blitter is a chunk of hardware that takes the > > contents of a chunk of memory and replicates it elsewhere. The origin can > > be from a memory somewhere or someplace on the screen. The destination > can > > be memory somewhere or another location on screen. This is generally done > > by hardware (DMA) under the control of software (register writes for > > origin, destination, size, etc. Sometimes a logical operation is > performed > > on the way. This is usually referred to as a 'Raster Op'. > > > > The BPA Magic certainly did the 'Raster Op' portion of the blit. The rest > > of it is done by the Z80 code, with no hardware acceleration. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tony Miller > > > > > > > >Thanks, > >Now I've been testing this, starting with expand. > >I now know what it means when it says ..."either the upper half or the >lower half of teh data bus is expanded" > >This explains why I only get 1/2 of my image on the screen. However I >can't figure how to get the other half to show up! > >Ok... Now I can. I guess the Magic isn't as powerful as I hoped. > >To get the other half of my image to show up, I have to write the same >data into the next byte over. The first screen byte(4 pixels) gets the >expansion of the top 4 bits, the second screen byte gets the expansion >of the bottom 4 bits. > >For shifting I find I have to pad the right side with 0 bytes, to keep >data from wraping around to the left of my image. Shifting needs to have the pixels to the left of the object set to the background color (usually 0). Think of this as 'priming the pump'. Then each successive write will be shifted the selected # of pixels. >Flopping so far, just makes a mess for me. Flop makes a mirror image of the contents of the byte. Thus bits in position 7:6 will be exchanged with 1:0, and 5:4 will be swapped with 3:2. If you think this is bad, try rotating. However, it only works in commercial mode. Cheers, Tony Miller >Lance > > >Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 24 Nov 2002 20:02:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 26999 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2002 20:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2002 20:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2002 20:02:47 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.208]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021124200245.YHEA18668.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:02:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3DE1320D.8060506@s...> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:09:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Byte article about Zgrass Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010700060100070802030702" From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian --------------010700060100070802030702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Passed to me by the guy at Wikipedia. Thought some of you might like to see. Lance F. Squire --------------010700060100070802030702 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Here's the Byte article" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Here's the Byte article" >From - Sun Nov 24 14:43:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from fishiod ([64.229.225.212]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20021124154456.FCOM4010.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@f...> for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:44:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c293d0$a3255a50$6401a8c0@f...> From: "Maury Markowitz" To: "Lance F. Squire" References: <3DD65726.1010805@s...> <000901c28e84$3293a7c0$6401a8c0@f...> <3DD987C4.3070008@s...> Subject: Here's the Byte article Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:44:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Hopefully this will come across OK, it's plain text. =================== Language Control Structures for Easy Electronic Visualization Dr Thomas DeFanti Electronic Visualization Laboratory University of Illinois at Chicago Circle FOB 4348 Chicago IL 60680 November 1980 C BYTE Publications Inc Control structures are the program-flow manipulation features of the language that you use to beat your computer into submission. BASIC's control structures are embodied in the RUN, GOTO, GOSUB, and RETURN keywords and a few functions, certainly an impoverished set. Highly structured languages like Pascal are rigidly limited to the control structure of subroutines. Lowly structured approaches like assembly language are necessary to implement higher-level languages and real-time systems, because the lack of enforced structure allows an infinite variety of control structures to be used at a cost of great human effort. The execution-speed gain in using assembly language is more due to the efficient building of customized tables and linked lists than to efficiency in adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing numbers. Assembler coding is by no means easy. Note the word "easy": it's important because in one sense means "accessible." In this case, it's your access to complex electronic visualizations. Electronic visualizations are important because producing a manipulating images, especially animated ones, is a truly multidimensional task which reflects our real-world interactions much more than maintaining an accurate laundry list or printing payroll checks. Producing them demands a lot from software, and making their access easy requires paying attention to the provision of rich control structures in a language. Electronic Visualization is an intentionally broad term meant to conjure thoughts of computer graphics, animation, image processing, video synthesis, and even advanced word-processing. Anyone successfully producing images for communication is unlikely to reject a technique for reasons of algorithmic purity (as a computer scientist might feel forced to do). Computer hobbyists use the tools at hand, and electronic visualization is the means to the end and the end product of using these tools. Simultaneously, it can be both because we are seeing the vast increase of real-time imaging systems, even in microcomputer-based configurations; and controlling these real-time systems can be as feedback-intensive as playing a musical instrument or driving a racing car. Just to unify the concepts so far, think about this question: what besides the cosmetic packaging governs our choice of a musical instrument or an automobile? It is a combination of capability and user control, of course: having one without the other is useless. So why are the programming languages currently available so impoverished on the control-structure side? Perhaps it is because computers were invented to process payrolls, not images. Television, on the other hand, is image-oriented and currently uses a host of presently emerging real-time digital techniques and increasingly flexible control structures. As a matter of fact, just about all the television you see these days is digitally processed for purposes of synchronization. Television is a high-speed medium conducive to parallel and pipeline processing. You are driving television rather than generating it. TV cameras are on all the time and you, as director, are fading, switching, adding titles and constantly throwing away images that you don't want. Control is the name of the game. The television folk are not about to give up rich, real-time control structures and the computer folk won't give up language. How to get them together is the essence of the task at hand. Getting Computers and Television Technology Together Looking at the history of control structures for computer graphics and for television, we see that most computer-graphics usage, with the obvious and exciting exception of video games, is some variety of non-real-time plotting. This is where the money is and where the language development for computer-aided design has been focused. No manufacturer of equipment for computer graphics (excepting the video-game people) now depends on animation for solvency. Plotting is slow and often merely the side output of a large FORTRAN finite-element analysis program. Visual aesthetics are rarely the primary concern, if any concern at all. People who use such systems are highly skilled and highly paid technicians who became that way by having to deal with plotting packages as a condition of employment. If the job were easy, they wouldn't get paid so much. We are just reaching the point of electronically generating and manipulating images, in real time, under program control. How do we design languages to deal with real time? Or, more important, why do we want such a language, an alphanumeric string-oriented language, at all? Why not use picture based languages with symbols for motions and timing? How Can You Control Images, Easily? After about ten years of living with this obvious and nagging question, some conclusions became clear. First, purist approaches to electronic visualization are hopeless. Image control employs a hybrid of languages, several input devices, Picture-oriented commands, custom hardware, and a smattering of idiosyncrasies. The most successful approaches to date are basically highly developed, beautifully evolved kluges. We know what "purism" in coding FORTRAN and BASIC does to image production. Purism in television technique eliminates computer graphics as we know it. So how about using graphic symbols to save the day? Using symbols in a menu and some sort of manual-selection mechanism is an approach taken by many FORTRAN graphics systems. This limits the number of symbols to those defined in the menu and there is no user-level extensibility in that you cannot create new symbols out of sequences of old symbols, which eliminates the one truly unique feature of computers. To state it bluntly, you can't program with a menu. What happens, however, if you do find a system that provides for the combination of nonalphanumeric symbols in meaningful ways? In an extremely advanced case, it should look something like Japanese, and you might note that the language used to program computers in Japan is a phonetic alphanumeric transcription of their language. They do not program in their extremely beautiful and rich symbol set. Eliminating alphanumeric languages is not such hot idea, except in turnkey systems. The second conclusion gestating for the past ten years is that complete parallelism is necessary for controlling images in meaningful ways. You simply must be able to develop sequences independently a merge them in ways that do not necessitate rewriting the programs. Xerox's Smalltalk and certain other languages have this capability, as do television technology and everyday life: making this parallelism easily accessible takes real care. The third conclusion is that a flexible priority scheme is needed. Some tasks are more important than others, just as in real life and computer operating systems. It is essential to give this capability to the user of an electronic visualization system. Fourth, providing for user extensibility at several levels is the or way people will easily be able to us, system for applications not envisioned by the designer. I will discuss this later. Fifth, the system must be software-fault tolerant. Fault-tolerant hardware has been a research area of great importance to real-time control systems, yet language purists still think people should solve problems in structured, orthodox, algorithmic ways. A computer language should provide as many paths to a given communication as possible, natural languages do, and the kind error handling that a friend would offer. Allowing nonstructured, non-procedural, "seat-of-the-pants" programming is often the only salvation when the final goal is aesthetically defined, and is, perhaps, not at all clear. It has been called "fuzzy programming," and it's easy to throw in the recursive, value-returning, clever structured-programming capabilities as well, but limiting yourself to these latter approaches stifles human creativity, problem-solving, and sideways thinking. Zgrass - A Language for Easy Electronic Visualization Zgrass is a programming language and operating system written assembly language for the Z80 microprocessor by Nola Donato, Jay Fenton, and me. Not surprisingly, it embodies all the control structures mentioned so far in this article and has been in development for ten years. Zgrass started out as GRASS (Graphics Symbiosis System), language designed to bring the immense complexity of a Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-11/43 and as Vector General 3DR Display system within the grasp of artists and educators at Ohio State University. It has high levels of interaction, parallelism, priority, and tree structured manipulations of vector-defined objects. Photos from this system can be seen in "About the Cover... And Some More of the Same," in the October 1977 BYTE, page 22. GRASS depends on $120,000 of equipment to run - rather expensive for a single-user system - but it is one of the first highly developed non-FORTRAN interactive graphics systems for use by artists. In 1973, Dan Sandin, inventor of the Image Processor, brought color television usage to our computer graphics work at the University of Illinois at Chicago Circle. Dan and I developed most of the ideas about control structures presented here. Photos 1a and 1b show some output from the GRASS/Image Processor system. Generating a complete programming language with parsers, compilers, and graphics takes a lot of human effort. More than ten person-years of programming were devoted to GRASS, aided by generous support from the National Science Foundation, National Endowment for the Arts, and others. GRASS is totally oriented toward real-time generation and control of images for the simple reason that television cannot easily be slowed down for long and/or time-lapse exposures as can be done with film. The control structures for GRASS were developed ad hoc and became increasingly idiosyncratic. Nola Donato, a postgraduate student of mine, decided to teach me how to generalize many of the programming-language concepts. The result was GRASS3, which later became Zgrass. In 1977, I was led to Jeff Frederiksen at Dave Nutting Associates, who was developing a deluxe home computer for Bally Corporation using the custom integrated circuits they had developed for the Bally Arcade video game. The prospect of developing a language for fun, one that had user-orientation as the benchmark rather than how many FOR-NEXT loops you could execute per unit time was too good to pass up. I was contracted to produce Zgrass, and in a year, Nola Donato, Jay Fenton (a legendary wizard of video games and pinball-machine operating systems), and I had generated 9000 lines of code. (Much of the work was done not in a lab but in a cabin in the woods of Wisconsin!) Examples of output from this system are seen in photos 2a, 2b, and 2c. Note that the resolution of this first Zgrass machine is 160 by 102 pixels (ie: picture elements), with 2 bits per pixel. Some confusion arose about whether we were producing a hobbyist machine or a home computer for consumers, so the project was suspended. Even now nobody really knows what a "consumer computer" is supposed to be. >>From consulting with less enlightened would-be consumer computer manufacturers, I have perceived that they follow the rather negative view of consumerism. (Few people reading this article would be considered only consumers - I assume that BYTE readers are mostly hobbyists or professionals.) Consumerism is based on great market penetration, and the big question is: "How do you get 90% market penetration like color TV?" It is also based on consuming, that is, wearing out or getting sick of hardware and software so you go buy more and consume it. The user is expected to supply no creativity, just assume a passive, susceptible-toentertainment pose - this reminds you of television watching, doesn't it? Well, anything requiring creative energy is akin to hobbyism. Consumer computers do exist in the form of video games that you can get bored with and buy more - even the advertisements invariably cite the number of new games to be available each month. I don't know how to write a programming language that wears out, though. User-extensibility is planned "nonobsolescence." Zgrass is not a consumer language by current standards. The project is on active status again, but this time with a hobbyist /professional orientation. We believe there are many people who want a recordable image-producing system for around $3000. The current configuration includes: . Z80 processor with 16 K bytes of EPROM and 48 K bytes of programmable memory . custom graphics integrated circuits and floating-point hardware . dual UARTs (universal asynchronous receiver/transmitter for connection to larger computers, printers, etc . RBG (red, blue, green) monitor for best color resolution . alphanumeric terminal (which the user provides) . provision for floppy disks, tablet, other I/O (input/output) devices Eight Zgrass units in this configuration have been alive and well and tied into the Bell-Laboratory-developed UNIX operating system since January 1980. Although I have only discussed software design, I must mention that the hardware to test the concepts really exists! See photo 3 and note that the resolution is now 320 by 204 pixels, with 2 bits used per pixel. Details of Zgrass Control Structures Programs in Zgrass are called macros. Macros are stored as ASCII (American Standard Code for Information Interchange) character strings and normally contain executable Zgrass commands. The fundamental unit of execution in Zgrass is a command, which is either an assignment statement or a function call. Zgrass does not require declaration of variable types (with the exception of array dimensioning). The software automatically does all conversions that make sense based on the context. Any argument can be a function call whose returned value is converted to whatever is needed, if at all possible. Literals, indirect references, variables, built-in commands, user-defined commands, and user-defined macros are all handled by the same parser, so the syntax is very predictable. The fact that there are no restrictions on name length helps to produce easily read code. User-Level Extensibility Extensibility in Zgrass is achieved in two major ways. First, you can write macros which return values, produce graphics, or ask questions; or, through string-manipulation primitives written by Barb Wilson, you can generate other macros. Macros use arguments in exactly the same way as system commands, and are even named and called like system commands. To reiterate, macros are simply strings of ASCII characters. When a macro is called, an MIB (Macro Invocation Block) is automatically built. It gives information on the invoking function call, the passed-argument list, and pointers to local variables, and provides room for the returned value. MIBs form a stack which implements the subroutining and block structuring of the language. When the macro returns, the MIB is deleted along with the local variables and unused literal arguments, if any, and control is passed back to the caller. If arguments are to be passed to a macro, they are read by the normal input command, and print statements are suppressed as long as there are arguments left. If no arguments are present or an insufficient number are passed, the print statements function normally and the macro asks for input from the terminal. This allow macros to be used whether or not you know the arguments wanted, with no extra code by the author of the macro. Macros can also be executed in parallel as background jobs. When called and suffixed by a ".B", the Macro Invocation Block is added to background linked list. After that, the macro will run forever (it restarts at the beginning when It tries return) until Control-C or the stop command selectively kills it. Photo 2c shows two sorting algorithms being compared for execution speed in real time, a tricky task in most languages easy in Zgrass. The background parallelism achieved by interleaving execution o the macro statements. The MIB contains all relevant context for execution, including a pointer to the next command to execute, so switching MIBs after each line has been completed is simple and gives the functional parallelism. If there are five background macros, each one gets a line executed, in turn, round-robin fashion. This construct is simple an straightforward with no bizarre side effects except that unusually time consuming commands will make the parallelism temporally step somewhat. Background interleave is easily understood and used even by the most naive users. Meanwhile, the keyboard is active. When the user, types a command line, it is executed at a high priority than the background macro. If the user initiates a macro at keyboard level, it will finish before the background macros continue. In any event, the keyboard overrides background, again in an obviously predictable way. The user may also specify programs to run as the result of a clock interrupt. When a macro call is suffixed by a ".F", the Macro Invocation Block is chained into a list that is polled every 1/60 second. The user sets the frequency of execution from 1 to 32,768 sixtieths of a second. These foreground macros execute on a higher priority level than the keyboard and background macros so they will start up just about on time (again, delayed only by a timeconsuming graphics command). Foreground macros allow a keyboard command to be slipped in during context switching. Zgrass, then, has three effective levels of priority with parallelism at two of the three levels. Since the Macro Invocation Block maintains all context information, even recursive programming is possible at any level. One of the severe problems in interpretive, extensible languages like Zgrass is the overhead of parsing and looking up names in name tables. For this reason, Zgrass has a compiler which eliminates the overhead and dramatically increases speed. All the automatic conversions, priority, and parallelism continue to work. Compiling does eliminate some of the interactive debugging features, so you usually debug on the noncompiled version first. Zgrass System Extensibility Zgrass also allows extensibility at the system-command level. A system such as this should allow an experienced programmer to write new commands in assembler and interface them to the system easily, certainly without changing the EPROMs (erasable, programmable read-only memories). A transfer vector in low memory and a series of Z80 RST (special restart subroutine-call) instructions allow communication with about one hundred system routines which do parsing, type conversion, graphics primitives, and so on. Documentation explains what these routines do, and anyone with a cross assembler (or patience for hand assembly) can write new commands of which the system has no prior knowledge. Such extensibility allows virtually infinite variety of specialty graphics commands, device drivers, and so forth to be written and distributed to others on audio tape, disk, or over telephone lines. Terry Disz wrote a debugging program use as a disk-resident command for setting break-points, dumping memory and registers and so on. This capability is not for everyone, but it's there. The maximum size of one of these user-written nonresident commands is 4 K bytes. Since the typical Zgrass machine has 30 K bytes of programmable memory, the amount of potential custom code is immense. All housekeeping for storage allocation and deletion, maintenance of temporary scratch-pad areas and general cleanup is done by system routines. You only concentrate on obeying a few rules for position-independent code. One further type of extensibility is easy to get. Zgrass has an extra UART which talks to other computers quite nicely. Larger computers can send graphics and character data to your Zgrass machine. Zgrass units can even talk to one another at up to 19.2 k bps! Error Handling, Debugging and Automated Instruction Zgrass was designed from the beginning to be a language for writing CAI (computer-aided instruction) programs. In particular, it was designed to be self-teaching to a fairly high degree. When Zgrass is used as a CAI system, the result of providing parallelism, string manipulation, and good error handling is that the student always has the power of the whole language to explore while the author of the CAI program is also in control. Since macros are character strings, they can be built and executed. You can take student input, make it into a program (before the student even knows how to edit), let parameters be changed, show the results, and verify certain classes of results both during execution and after. The approaches we have taken to Zgrass CAI are beyond the scope of this article, so I will just mention the system features which make CAI possible. Error-handling routines normally generate error-message numbers at the terminal. There are about sixty of them and they are quite specific. During regular programming, they are used in conjunction with single stepping, variable printing and other debugging techniques to identify problems. When teaching, however, the CAI program must trap errors. These fall into, three types: syntax, nontermination, and logic. To trap syntax errors, you should use the ONERROR command which transfers the control to a diagnostic section of the program that you, as a CAI author, will have provided. There you can get the error number, the erroneous argument, and even the entire ASCII text of the line in error with the GETERROR command. You can then explain the problem to the user in whatever level of detail you wish. Indefinite loops are caught with the LOOPMAX command which sets a limit to the number of control transfers (ie: skips and GOTOs). Once the limit is exceeded, an error is generated and trapped as explained earlier. So, you can catch nonterminating programs or be very meticulous and require efficiency from advanced students by lowering the LOOPMAX appropriately. Logic errors are trickier and the general case is impossible. However, if you choose suitable problems to solve, you can do some very nice verification. For graphic tasks, the CMPARA command can check a student's building of an image against a prototype. The CAI author can tell if the student's image is a proper subset of the prototype and let it continue. Once a stray pixel is written, CMPARA returns a value of -2 which means the image is "mixed up," and you inform the student immediately. This approach clearly falls short of genuine artificial intelligence, but it is nevertheless quite useful. Several classes at the University Illinois at Chicago Circle have taught with great success using GRASS-coded prototype (called GAIN, by Tom Towle). Conclusions Zgrass is a language/system designed to provide easy access to computer graphics and, in general, to computing. It has sophisticated real-time structures and control capability, and it's friendly, extensible, and fun. The language is more efficient than BASIC, more user-oriented than FORTRAN or Pascal, and it has the kind of language-control structures that will help you create your mind's fantastic visualizations on your video screen with more ease than ever before. Glossary Color: The 256 colors available in Zgrass form an abbreviated spectrum. You can get four colors on the screen at any one time. The default colors are white, red, green, and blue. They are also known as color 0, color 1, color 2, and color 3. The values are stored in SLO, $L1, $L2, and $L3 unless you modify $HB to use the right-side colors $Rt1, $R1, SR2, and $R3. Color Map: The color map is the way Zgrass translates color 0 thru color 3 to the 256 available colors. The hardware looks at the values of SLO thru $L3 before it writes a pixel to the screen, If it is writing a 0, it uses the color stored in $L0; if it is writing a 1, it uses the color stored in SL1, and so on. To change the color map so 1 refers to yellow instead of red, set $L1 to 127. There are actually two color maps, the $Ls and the $Rs. You get to the $Rs by setting SHB. Color Option: The possible values for color option are 0 thru 15. You may need to study your truth tables for inclusive-OR and exclusive-OR (XOR) logical operations to really understand what's going on. The following unctionally true, however: Color Option 0 replace with color 0 (white) 1 replace with color 1 (red) 2 replace with color 2 (green) 3 replace with color 3 (blue) 4 don't draw (actually XOR with 00) 5 XOR screen with color 1 (01 binary) 6 XOR screen with color 2 (10 binary) 7 XOR screen with color 3 (11 binary) 8 change red to white, blue to green (clear bit 0) 9 change green to white, blue to red (clear bit 1) 10 OR with 01 (if red or white, stay red; if blue or green, stay blue) 11 OR with 10 (i f green or white, stay green; if red or blue, stay blue) 12 replace with red only if white were there 13 replace with green only if white or red were there 14 increment the color there by 1 (white to red, red to green, green to blue, and blue to white) 15 decrement the color there by 1 (white to blue, red to white, green to red, and blue to green) Macro: A string that is supposed to contain legal Zgrass commands. Most programming languages call such things "programs" or "subroutines," but we call them macros. Macros are effectively user-defined commands. Macros can behave just like commands in the sense that you can pass arguments to macros with the INPUT command and return values with the RETURN command. You define a macro just like you define a string, with an assignment to a name or by using EDIT. String: A collection of characters (ie: numbers, letters, punctuation) delimited (ie: enclosed) by single or double quotes or balanced (ie: enclosed) by brackets or braces. If you have to use a string delimiter in a string, make sure that it is delimited by a different string delimiter or things will get very confused. Most likely it will consider the rest of your macro as part of the string. Examples: "THIS IS A LONGER STRING" "PRINT A *B *C SKIP -1 ;.THIS STRING COULD BE A MACRO TOO" [THIS IS HOW TO PUT A QUOTE IN A STRING: "'"] [12341] [ ] --------------010700060100070802030702-- From cybpunks@h... Thu Nov 28 01:24:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cybpunks@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 28 Nov 2002 09:24:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1274 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2002 09:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2002 09:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2002 09:24:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2002 09:24:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:24:22 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bally's Blitter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DD83DF7.3020802@s...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 217 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Glenn Saunders" X-Originating-IP: 24.205.31.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61430873 X-Yahoo-Profile: cybpunks Great article. This is the sort of thing we need to see more of to have any hope of hobby games for this system. The Nutting Manual does explain it all, but not in a way a modern novice programmer can understand. From ward.shrake@w... Thu Nov 28 22:37:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 29 Nov 2002 06:37:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 917 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2002 06:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2002 06:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2002 06:37:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2002 06:37:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 06:37:34 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file: multicart instruction sheet Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 440 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Ward Shrake" X-Originating-IP: 67.224.36.99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Earlier today, I uploaded the actual Microsoft Word document I use to print out the instruction sheets that go with my Bally Astrocade multicarts. (Click the Files menu bar choice, then the Manuals folder.) With this, anyone that has one of my home-made multicarts but loses their instruction sheet at some point, can now print one out without much hassle. Or use it to print up a back-up, if you're so inclined. -- Ward Shrake -- From ballyalley@h... Fri Nov 29 17:24:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 30 Nov 2002 01:24:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 4697 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2002 01:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2002 01:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.225) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2002 01:24:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:24:31 -0800 Received: from 68.35.38.249 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 01:24:30 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Oops! [about last payment] Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:24:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2002 01:24:31.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B9F4420:01C2980F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.38.249] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Sorry folks! Only Lance was supposed to see that "last payment" email. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From ward.shrake@w... Tue Dec 03 13:49:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 3 Dec 2002 21:49:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 54817 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 21:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2002 21:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 21:49:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2002 21:49:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:49:12 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Price reduction on Ward's multicarts Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1565 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Ward Shrake" X-Originating-IP: 216.202.129.143 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Hi all; Ward here. As most of you probably know, I used to make multicarts for this console. (Fifty or fewer total will be made by me, entirely by hand, they have nice labels, each cart is signed and numbered, and I keep a list of all owners. They each include pretty much every cart game ever released, along with a number of tapes converted to BASICarts by Mike White. Blah, blah... you get the idea.) Point is, I have nine of these left that I would like to sell soon. I am considering reducing the $100 price to $85 each (plus shipping) as a one-time thing. This may help a few of you decide to pick one up. I am strongly considering opening up the "one per customer" rule I formerly had, to be "two per customer" ... since more than one person wanted me to do that, all along. (With demand stagnant, why not?) I don't want to add to anyone's holiday stresses, but please keep in mind that it is no secret that I do not intend on making any more of these, once this batch is sold off. This is due to low demand, and the huge time outlay each one takes. It just isn't worth my time to make them, when it takes 10 - 12 hours of hand labor per cart, and even at the higher $100 price, I'm barely making minimum wage for my time. At any lower price, it's obviously even less worth it to me. Nine left, and when they're gone, they're gone. You may not ever have another chance. If you want one, guys, now's the time! You can get ahold of me by e-mail, at the same e-mail address as before... ward.shrake@w... -- Ward Shrake -- From ballyalley@h... Sun Dec 08 10:51:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 18:51:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 30326 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 18:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 18:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.162) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 18:51:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:51:01 -0800 Received: from 68.35.36.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:51:00 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Winter 1982 Sourcebook -Anyone? Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:51:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2002 18:51:01.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[C092D7A0:01C29EEA] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.36.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Michael White, who is compiling a listing of all the tape available for the Astrocade, is looking for the Winder 1982 Sourcebook (the Astrocade catalog of hardware and software). Does anyone have a copy of this? Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From komb@s... Sun Dec 08 15:44:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 23:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 73244 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 23:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 23:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 23:44:25 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.208]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021208234425.QCBV4246.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF3DB19.9030000@s...> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:51:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Winter 1982 Sourcebook -Anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > Michael White, who is compiling a listing of all the tape available for the > Astrocade, is looking for the Winder 1982 Sourcebook (the Astrocade catalog > of hardware and software). Does anyone have a copy of this? > > Adam > Unfortunatly, not me. :( From slapdash@e... Wed Dec 11 22:57:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: slapdash@e... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 12 Dec 2002 06:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 36693 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 06:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2002 06:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.enteract.com) (207.229.143.33) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 06:57:56 -0000 Received: from [216.80.74.28] (216-80-74-28.d.enteract.com [216.80.74.28]) by smtp-1.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7025F7CA0 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:57:55 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: slapdash@p... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:57:37 -0600 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Winter 1982 Sourcebook -Anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Russ Perry Jr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3894736 X-Yahoo-Profile: slapdash26 Adam Trionfo wrote: >Michael White, who is compiling a listing of all the tape available for the >Astrocade, is looking for the Winder 1982 Sourcebook (the Astrocade catalog >of hardware and software). Does anyone have a copy of this? There's a small chance I might have this, but I've not had time to look, and may not until the new year... Is he in a hurry? -- //*================================================================++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 slapdash@e... VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================================*// From ballyalley@h... Thu Dec 12 00:03:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 12 Dec 2002 08:03:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 85101 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 08:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2002 08:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 08:03:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:55:28 -0800 Received: from 68.35.36.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:55:28 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: Winter 1982 Sourcebook -Anyone? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:55:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2002 07:55:28.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[D62E6D60:01C2A1B3] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.36.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Russ wrote: >> There's a small chance I might have this, but I've not had time to look, and may not until the new year... Is he in a hurry? >> This is the only hole (that he is aware of) that keeps him from having the complete series of Sourcebook catalogs. He's moving right along to getting the Astrocade tape list together, but if you do have this and he had it in his hands by the new year, then I'm quite sure that that would be soon enough. So, yes, put this on your list of backburner projects. I'll try to remember to send a reminder to you sometime after the first of the year. Thanks. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From ward.shrake@w... Fri Dec 13 12:56:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 13 Dec 2002 20:56:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 59909 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 20:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2002 20:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 20:56:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2002 20:56:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:56:33 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Price reduction on Ward's multicarts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 482 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Ward Shrake " X-Originating-IP: 67.224.36.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan --- In ballyalley@yahoogroups.com, "Ward Shrake" wrote: (snip) > Nine left, and when they're > gone, they're gone. You may > not ever have another chance. > If you want one, guys, now's > the time! Make that eight Astrocade multicarts left now, and counting. I just re-uploaded a "Tech Corner" site that includes some multicart pictures, and the list of games that are on the cart. See this URL: http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ -- Ward Shrake -- From slapdash@e... Sun Dec 15 22:02:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: slapdash@e... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 16 Dec 2002 06:02:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 13276 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 06:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2002 06:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.enteract.com) (207.229.143.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 06:02:22 -0000 Received: from [216.80.98.13] (216-80-98-13.d.enteract.com [216.80.98.13]) by smtp-2.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA42EC445 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:02:20 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: slapdash@p... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:02:00 -0600 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] Re: Winter 1982 Sourcebook -Anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Russ Perry Jr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3894736 X-Yahoo-Profile: slapdash26 At 11:55 PM -0800 12/11/02, Adam Trionfo wrote: >Russ wrote: >> There's a small chance I might have this... It turns out that I DO have it, assuming he means the ones by RMH. > This is the only hole (that he is aware of) that keeps him from having > the complete series of Sourcebook catalogs. Er, I hope you didn't mean "for sale", because I'm not really interested in parting with it. > but if you do have this and he had it in his hands by the new year, > then I'm quite sure that that would be soon enough. So, yes, put > this on your list of backburner projects. I'll try to remember to > send a reminder to you sometime after the first of the year. Well, are you just talking a loan? Otherwise, I MIGHT be able to scan relevant pages and put them in the Files section or something. -- //*================================================================++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 slapdash@e... VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================================*// From ballyalley@h... Sun Dec 15 22:14:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 16 Dec 2002 06:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 57059 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 06:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2002 06:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.63) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 06:14:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:14:57 -0800 Received: from 68.35.36.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:14:57 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Winter 1982 Sourcebook -Anyone? Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:14:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 06:14:57.0981 (UTC) FILETIME=[7566B6D0:01C2A4CA] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.36.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> It turns out that I DO have it, assuming he means the ones by RMH. >> That's the one. If you can loan it to him, I will send you his address in a private email. He'll copy it and get it back to you. He will need the whole catalog because he is cross-referencing the catalogs all together for the cassette list. Adam _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From slapdash@e... Sun Dec 15 22:28:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: slapdash@e... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 16 Dec 2002 06:28:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 99836 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 06:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2002 06:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.enteract.com) (207.229.143.33) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 06:28:43 -0000 Received: from [216.80.98.13] (216-80-98-13.d.enteract.com [216.80.98.13]) by smtp-1.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0218C52 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:28:42 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: slapdash@p... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:28:28 -0600 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Re: Winter 1982 Sourcebook -Anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Russ Perry Jr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3894736 X-Yahoo-Profile: slapdash26 At 10:14 PM -0800 12/15/02, Adam Trionfo wrote: >That's the one. If you can loan it to him, I will send you his address in a >private email. He'll copy it and get it back to you. He will need the >whole catalog because he is cross-referencing the catalogs all together for >the cassette list. Okee doke, sounds fair. Still might not happen before the new year, but I'll try to get it out before I leave for vacation... -- //*================================================================++ || Russ Perry Jr 2175 S Tonne Dr #114 Arlington Hts IL 60005 || || 847-952-9729 slapdash@e... VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR! || ++================================================================*// From joeydoa@y... Tue Dec 17 11:49:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: joeydoa@y... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 17 Dec 2002 19:49:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 60704 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2002 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2002 19:49:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:49:07 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Definitive Emulator for Windows Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "joeydoa " X-Originating-IP: 68.63.74.207 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=66593327 X-Yahoo-Profile: joeydoa I previously wrote a perfect DOS emulator of the TRS-80, which I never distributed, instead destroyed ten years ago. Now I am embarking on a devoted emulator for Windows written in Visual C++. I have alot of info, and am about to begin. Any info about the keyboard interface, video interface, cassette interface, joystick interface will be appreciated. I have all the info that is available I believe. Any ideas or code fragments about the forementioned will be appreciated. This will be the first and only Bally Astrocade true speed and support of all function and features emulator. A complete emulation. My philosphy in writing emulators is that emulation is a replication of the experience. Anyone interested in the project please contact me. I am beginning the project now. If anyone else is pursuing such a project I am interested. Forget the "mess" it is a true mess and doesn't qualify as a Bally Astrocade. Besides, it is stupid to have a bunch of cpu emulators and a bunch of support routines for idiosyncrises for each machine - which mame and mess miss. Take the TRS-80 for instance there is only one or two half decent emulators out there, and "Attack Force" from Big Five doesn't run on most of them because the intro graphic routine uses a esoteric interrupt that those emulators don't support, so it hangs in the intro. That is why "mess" will never be a true Bally emulator, hence the need for a dedicated emulator. Need any support or help out there. Happy Holidays, JoeyDOA From palazzol@c... Tue Dec 17 14:17:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: palazzol@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 17 Dec 2002 22:17:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 50847 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 22:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2002 22:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nut.autodesk.com) (198.102.112.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 22:17:25 -0000 Received: from NOVOLTAGE ([144.111.137.13]) by nut.autodesk.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBHMHOx0019406; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:17:24 -0800 (PST) To: joeydoa@y..., ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:15:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [ballyalley] The Definitive Emulator for Windows Message-ID: <3DFF5BCC.21304.FFA0B3@l...> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body From: "Frank Palazzolo" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99293129 X-Yahoo-Profile: knarfian >My philosphy in writing emulators is that emulation is a > replication of the experience. Will your emulator come in a '70's style case and overheat if you leave it on a carpet too long? :) > Forget the "mess" it is > a true mess and doesn't qualify as a Bally Astrocade. ... >That is why "mess" will never be a true Bally emulator, hence > the need for a dedicated emulator. ... > This will be the first and only Bally Astrocade true > speed and support of all function and features emulator. A complete > emulation. Sounds great! Where can I download it! Dude, there is no need to defend the merits of a single-system emulator, nor bash MESS's shortcomings. I chose MESS for multiple reasons, not being limited to only your philosophy. :) I have posted at least two times on this list to solicit bug fixes and feature requests for MESS, though I've only had time to fix a few. If anyone wants to know the "known problems list" with MESS, I'd be happy to forward it. If anyone wants to fix it, go for it. > Any info about the > keyboard interface, video interface, cassette interface, joystick > interface will be appreciated. > Any ideas or code fragments about the forementioned will > be appreciated. Well, I was the first guy to start scanning the Nutting Manual, and the person who got the Astrocade running in MESS code that you can reference, and I personally dumped probably half the ROM images you have on your hard drive. I'm also entertaining the thought of implementing the chipset in FPGA's. Post your questions, and they will probably be answered - there is a lot of knowledge here. Just try to be respectful, and not to bite the hands that feed you too much. :) > I previously wrote a perfect DOS emulator of the TRS-80, which I > never distributed, instead destroyed ten years ago. Too bad. I love the TRS-80, it was my first machine. Bad as MESS code can be, at least that won't happen to it. -Frank P.S. Sorry Adam, I had to. I'm done now. :) From ballyalley@h... Tue Dec 17 18:10:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 18 Dec 2002 02:10:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 29756 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 02:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2002 02:10:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.135) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:10:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:02:21 -0800 Received: from 68.35.36.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:02:20 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] The Definitive Emulator for Windows Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:02:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2002 02:02:21.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[80003880:01C2A639] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.36.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> P.S. Sorry Adam, I had to. I'm done now. :) >> @Frank: No need to apologize to me, Frank. I was wondering if you were going to pop your head in and say anything. I'm glad that you did. @JoeyDOA: In defense of the MESS emulator- it works fine for me. Using BASIC is a chore, but I don't use BASIC much. Also, the keypad layout takes some time to get used to, but I can work with it now. I've never been able to use the paddle via the mouse well either, yet I like MESS emulation; I use it for the Astrocade and the Arcadia. If anything better comes along, then I will be glad to use it, but I'm not crying out for anything now. I'm not just saying this because MESS is all we've got, I'm saying it because Frank has fixed some of the problems that have come up in the past (notably the weird resolution- where the screen was taller than it was wide). I suggest that you work with Frank, the author of the Astrocade MESS emulator, rather than bash his work. While you're creating your emulator, there is no reason to knock the program that has come before you. Throw something at us and we'll take a look at it- we will use it. While it's in development talk to us and we'll knock the ideas around and see what we, as a whole, can come up with. Finally, I suggest that you go through and read every past posting made to this discussion group. It will take a while, but it will be worth your effort, for many of the questions that you have asked have all come up in the past. Also, the Bally Alley website has much information that you will find useful. Adam _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rcolbert@c... Wed Dec 25 08:49:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 25 Dec 2002 16:49:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 16310 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 16:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2002 16:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 16:49:56 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20021225164956.DOGW16191.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:49:56 -0500 To: Subject: Merry Christmas Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:53:08 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2AC03.CF624B00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2AC03.CF624B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas! Bob -----Original Message----- From: Adam Trionfo [mailto:ballyalley@h...] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:02 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] The Definitive Emulator for Windows >> P.S. Sorry Adam, I had to. I'm done now. :) >> @Frank: No need to apologize to me, Frank. I was wondering if you were going to pop your head in and say anything. I'm glad that you did. @JoeyDOA: In defense of the MESS emulator- it works fine for me. Using BASIC is a chore, but I don't use BASIC much. Also, the keypad layout takes some time to get used to, but I can work with it now. I've never been able to use the paddle via the mouse well either, yet I like MESS emulation; I use it for the Astrocade and the Arcadia. If anything better comes along, then I will be glad to use it, but I'm not crying out for anything now. I'm not just saying this because MESS is all we've got, I'm saying it because Frank has fixed some of the problems that have come up in the past (notably the weird resolution- where the screen was taller than it was wide). I suggest that you work with Frank, the author of the Astrocade MESS emulator, rather than bash his work. While you're creating your emulator, there is no reason to knock the program that has come before you. Throw something at us and we'll take a look at it- we will use it. While it's in development talk to us and we'll knock the ideas around and see what we, as a whole, can come up with. Finally, I suggest that you go through and read every past posting made to this discussion group. It will take a while, but it will be worth your effort, for many of the questions that you have asked have all come up in the past. Also, the Bally Alley website has much information that you will find useful. Adam _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2AC03.CF624B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just=20 wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas!
 
           =   =20 Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Trionfo=20 [mailto:ballyalley@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 200= 2=20 8:02 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:=20 [ballyalley] The Definitive Emulator for=20 Windows

>>
P.S. Sorry Adam, I had to.&nb= sp;=20 I'm done now. :)
>>

@Frank:

No need to apologize t= o me,=20 Frank.  I was wondering if you were going to pop
your head in an= d say=20 anything.  I'm glad that you did.

@JoeyDOA:

In defense= of=20 the MESS emulator- it works fine for me.  Using BASIC is a
chore= , but=20 I don't use BASIC much.  Also, the keypad layout takes some time to=20 get used to, but I can work with it now.  I've never been able to us= e the=20
paddle via the mouse well either, yet I like MESS emulation; I use it= for=20
the Astrocade and the Arcadia.  If anything better comes along, = then=20 I will
be glad to use it, but I'm not crying out for anything=20 now.

I'm not just saying this because MESS is all we've got, I'm s= aying=20 it
because Frank has fixed some of the problems that have come up in = the=20 past
(notably the weird resolution- where the screen was taller than = it=20 was
wide).

I suggest that you work with Frank, the author of t= he=20 Astrocade MESS
emulator, rather than bash his work.  While you'r= e=20 creating your emulator,
there is no reason to knock the program that = has=20 come before you.

Throw something at us and we'll take a look at it= - we=20 will use it.  While
it's in development talk to us and we'll kno= ck=20 the ideas around and see what
we, as a whole, can come up=20 with.

Finally, I suggest that you go through and read every past=20 posting made to
this discussion group.  It will take a while, bu= t it=20 will be worth your
effort, for many of the questions that you have as= ked=20 have all come up in
the past.  Also, the Bally Alley website has= much=20 information that you will
find=20 useful.

Adam

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2AC03.CF624B00-- From ballyalley@h... Wed Dec 25 11:55:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 25 Dec 2002 19:55:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 99144 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 19:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2002 19:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 19:55:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:55:29 -0800 Received: from 68.35.36.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:55:28 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:55:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2002 19:55:29.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[9329F6F0:01C2AC4F] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.36.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas! >> And a happy holidays too! Stay away from your computer and hang out with your family today. (Well, it's okay to check email...) Adam _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Thu Dec 26 09:48:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81137 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 17:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2002 17:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 17:48:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2002 17:48:36 -0000 Date: 26 Dec 2002 17:48:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1040924915.39488.89907.w72@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ballyalley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ballyalley group. File : /Tape_Archive/Christmas Card.wav Uploaded by : glankonian Description : Christmas card typein program from Arcadian V5 #2 Dec 1982. I left the year intact for archival reasons. Edit line 112 if you want to update the year. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ballyalley/files/Tape_Archive/Christmas%20Card.wav To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, glankonian From komb@s... Thu Dec 26 10:01:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 26 Dec 2002 18:01:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 12254 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 18:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2002 18:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 18:01:07 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.208]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021226180106.BEOZ24066.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:01:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0B4628.7020809@s...> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:10:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Merry Christmas! References: <1040924915.39488.89907.w72@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Merry Christmas all! Due to set-up for the big feast here, I coulden't get this file out sooner. 'Christmas Card' is a type in program, that I enjoyed when it first came out. As a gift, I have archived it for all to enjoy. It's small and has no music, but it's the thought that counts. :) On a side note, I've been trying to archive 'Dungeons of Dracula' since October (on and off :( ) with NO luck. The problem seems to be the data saves(loads?) after the main program load. It loads fine on my arcade, but I can not get it to load from the computer before or after scrubbing. After scrubbing the main program loads, but always fails during the data loads. Would you like to look at it Bob? Lance From rcolbert@c... Thu Dec 26 20:39:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rcolbert@c... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 27 Dec 2002 04:39:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 63600 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 04:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2002 04:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao06.cox.net) (68.1.17.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 04:39:32 -0000 Received: from bob ([68.13.98.150]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20021227043932.MJPB16191.lakemtao06.cox.net@b...> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:39:32 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [ballyalley] Merry Christmas! Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:39:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2AD2F.ABE3B3D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3E0B4628.7020809@s...> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal From: "Bob Colbert" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=108352632 X-Yahoo-Profile: retroware ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2AD2F.ABE3B3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, send it along! Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:komb@s...] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 12:11 PM To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ballyalley] Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas all! Due to set-up for the big feast here, I coulden't get this file out sooner. 'Christmas Card' is a type in program, that I enjoyed when it first came out. As a gift, I have archived it for all to enjoy. It's small and has no music, but it's the thought that counts. :) On a side note, I've been trying to archive 'Dungeons of Dracula' since October (on and off :( ) with NO luck. The problem seems to be the data saves(loads?) after the main program load. It loads fine on my arcade, but I can not get it to load from the computer before or after scrubbing. After scrubbing the main program loads, but always fails during the data loads. Would you like to look at it Bob? Lance Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Have you checked http://www.ballyalley.com lately? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2AD2F.ABE3B3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sure,=20 send it along!
 
         Bob=
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance F. Squire=20 [mailto:komb@s...]
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 12= :11=20 PM
To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ballyalle= y]=20 Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas all!

Due = to=20 set-up for the big feast here, I coulden't get this file out=20 sooner.

'Christmas Card' is a type in program, that I enjoyed when= it=20 first came
out. As a gift, I have archived it for all to enjoy. It's = small=20 and has
no music, but it's the thought that counts. :)

On a si= de=20 note, I've been trying to archive 'Dungeons of Dracula' since
October= (on=20 and off :( ) with NO luck.

The problem seems to be the data=20 saves(loads?) after the main program load.

It loads fine on my arc= ade,=20 but I can not get it to load from the
computer before or after=20 scrubbing.

After scrubbing the main program loads, but always fail= s=20 during the data
loads.

Would you like to look at it=20 Bob?

Lance



Have=20 you checked http://www.ballyalley.c= om=20 lately?

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ballyalley-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2AD2F.ABE3B3D0-- From ward.shrake@w... Thu Dec 26 23:45:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ward.shrake@w... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 27 Dec 2002 07:45:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 73693 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 07:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2002 07:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 07:45:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.173] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2002 07:45:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:45:49 -0000 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Last chance ever, to buy a Bally multicart! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1413 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Ward Shrake " X-Originating-IP: 12.80.68.188 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5331671 X-Yahoo-Profile: commie_fan Hi all. Happy Holidays to you all! A quick update: there are now only four (4) Bally multicarts left for sale, that are not spoken for. See my tech page (link below, or on the links page at the message board web site) for a more current count on how many are left as of this reading. As I said before, once these are gone, they're gone. I will not be making any more of them. http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ Also, up on that page is my "retirement" announcement. As of the end of this year, I'm considering myself out of gaming circles, for any reasons except just playing the games I already have, once in awhile. Nine years of writing FAQs, cart lists, and doing research is enough. It is time now for me to spend my time / resources on other things. -- Ward Shrake -- --- In ballyalley@yahoogroups.com, "Ward Shrake " wrote: > --- In ballyalley@yahoogroups.com, "Ward Shrake" > wrote: > (snip) > > Nine left, and when they're > > gone, they're gone. You may > > not ever have another chance. > > If you want one, guys, now's > > the time! > > > Make that eight Astrocade multicarts left now, and counting. > > I just re-uploaded a "Tech Corner" site that includes some multicart > pictures, and the list of games that are on the cart. See this URL: > > http://home.att.net/~wards.tech.corner/ > > -- Ward Shrake -- From komb@s... Tue Dec 31 09:04:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 17:04:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 18311 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 17:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 17:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.188) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 17:04:47 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.208]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021231170447.SIRG17112.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:04:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3E11D0BD.1070504@s...> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:15:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Comp -> Tape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Ok, I can load scrubbed tapes from the computer to the Bally. But has anyone re-created a tape from the computer that would load on the Bally? The reason I ask is that Michael White, who dosen't have a computer, wants to trade copys of tapes I/we have that he dosen't, for tapes he has that I/we dont. I'd rather send a scrubbed version as it should be easier to load than a copy of and aging tape. I can almost get it to work, but keep getting glitch at the start of the data. Anywhere from 2 bytes(all data loads offset by those 2 bytes) to a line and a bit before proper image shows up. I'm thinking it's my sound card that's the problem, but want to check with others first. Thanks, Lance F. Squire From ballyalley@h... Tue Dec 31 13:48:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 21:48:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 67990 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 21:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 21:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 21:48:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:37:43 -0800 Received: from 68.35.36.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:37:43 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Comp -> Tape Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:37:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 21:37:43.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA09C1D0:01C2B114] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.36.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> has anyone re-created a tape from the computer that would load on the Bally? >> If you are asking if a wav file can be recorded to tape and then loaded on the Bally? Yes. I've done it. I didn't have any trouble doing that either. If you have a CD burner, it might be better to burn a CD with the "tapes" that he wants. I haven't tried this myself, but it should work. That is the idea behind the Bally CD compilation- well, part of the idea anyway. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From ballyalley@h... Tue Dec 31 14:01:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 22:01:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 75364 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 22:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 22:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.58) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 22:01:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:58:48 -0800 Received: from 68.35.36.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 21:58:48 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Comp -> Tape Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:58:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 21:58:48.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC0D8F00:01C2B117] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.36.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo >> If you have a CD burner, it might be better to burn a CD with the "tapes" that he wants. I haven't tried this myself, but it should work. That is the idea behind the Bally CD compilation- well, part of the idea anyway. >> Right after I posted this I got a call from Mike asking if I had received a package he sent a few days ago. I mentioned this posting to him and he wanted me to ask you (Lance) to send material on tape because it would just be easier for him. He has a CD player, but he does not have a headphone jack for it, so the idea won't work for him. We did talk about him buying an inexpensive "boom box," but that is something to look forward toward in the future. Adam _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From ballyalley@h... Tue Dec 31 14:04:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ballyalley@h... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 22:04:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 86281 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 22:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 22:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.156) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 22:04:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:49 -0800 Received: from 68.35.36.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:02:48 GMT To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Other Sourcebooks needed Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2002 22:02:49.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B66F240:01C2B118] From: "Adam Trionfo" X-Originating-IP: [68.35.36.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60931836 X-Yahoo-Profile: atrionfo Mike is also looking for these other Sourcebooks: Date Mentioned ------------------ --------- Summer 1983 Arc. Vol. 5 Pg. 159 Winter/Spring 1984 Arc. Vol. 6 Pg. 28, NIG Vol. 2, Pg. 1 Russ, thanks for digging one of yours up and sending it to him. That worked out well. Adam _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From komb@s... Tue Dec 31 14:57:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: komb@s... X-Apparently-To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 22:57:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 77505 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 22:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 22:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.184) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 22:57:34 -0000 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.4.208]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021231225731.DKLF7938.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@s...> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:57:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3E12236F.8050206@s...> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:08:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ballyalley@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ballyalley] Comp -> Tape References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Lance F. Squire" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92613559 X-Yahoo-Profile: glankonian Adam Trionfo wrote: > > If you are asking if a wav file can be recorded to tape and then loaded on > the Bally? Yes. I've done it. I didn't have any trouble doing that > either. What sound card do you have? I'm currently using a SB128 (Ensonic 1370). Sadly this is more of a sound card that what was included on my motherboard.(DAC for S/W sound) I'll play with the settings some more and/or the playback software. I'll report back if I get it to work. Lance From slapdash@e... Tue Dec 31 15:50:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: slapdash@e... 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X-Originating-IP: 64.109.38.152 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3894736 X-Yahoo-Profile: slapdash26 Quoting Adam Trionfo : > Mike is also looking for these other Sourcebooks: > > Date Mentioned > ------------------ --------- > Summer 1983 Arc. Vol. 5 Pg. 159 > Winter/Spring 1984 Arc. Vol. 6 Pg. 28, NIG Vol. 2, Pg. 1 Sadly, I don't think I have ANY others... > Russ, thanks for digging one of yours up and sending it to him. That > worked out well. No problem. Luckily it wasn't REALLY buried. :-) Russ ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/